bestdealsmatrix.com whats the deal??? [Archive]

MoNkEy MaN X

June 23rd, 2003, 08:29 PM

Dude this site opened up, took some orders, now the owner doesn't update the site or email you back. I put in a complaint with PayPal but since it is 5 days after the 30 day money back thing, I get nothing. This is garbage, PayPal helped support this ponzi scheme. It says right on www.bestdealsmatrix.com 's faqs page that the item is guaranteed to get to you. Looks more like he just took the money and split. Here is the info I got from a who is search:

bdm
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)

If anybody has any recomendations for this or can help out, please do so. I was going to make PayPal aware that they were involved with a ponzi scheme and should give me my money back, but they probably won't care, they are just a big heartless corporation.

MatrixWatch

June 24th, 2003, 01:00 AM

Monkey,
Please follow this link to a page I have created here on our website. If you feel that you need some legal advice, then please feel free to to take advantage of what is offered here for you. Let us know how things work out.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1&s=&menu=5

poorme

June 24th, 2003, 01:26 AM

Paypal did not help me too.
We have to get the money directly from seller.

MoNkEy MaN X

June 24th, 2003, 01:33 AM

I sent an email to your lawyer discribing in detail the issues at hand. Thanks.

poorme

June 24th, 2003, 01:43 AM

Paypal also has a reputation in freezing matrix site's fund. I am not sure if it helps refund buyer at all!!!

MoNkEy MaN X

July 6th, 2003, 12:33 AM

Registrant:
bdm

1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM
Created on: 07-May-03
Expires on: 07-May-04
Last Updated on: 19-May-03

Administrative Contact:
Vibbard, Steven bios@biostech.net
biostech, inc.
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
5415419357
Technical Contact:
Vibbard, Steven bios@biostech.net
biostech, inc.
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
5415419357

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM
NS2.BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM

MoNkEy MaN X

July 6th, 2003, 10:56 AM

Steven Vibbard
4167 Durbin Ave SE
Salem OR 97301
503-581-6459

Just some more info for anybody seeking the bdm guy that ran off.

StoneyPits

July 7th, 2003, 07:22 PM

Any word back from any lawyers, Monkey Man X?

MoNkEy MaN X

July 7th, 2003, 10:37 PM

I actually havn't sent any info to any lawyers yet, just because I'm not sure if I want to take part in all the suing fun.

MysticX23

July 9th, 2003, 01:50 PM

this sucks...dunno what to do about bestdealsmatrix now...i don't think anyone has had contract with them, i hounded paypal like 20 times and they just kept saying the same thing, "look at privacy statement, TOS, etc..." pisses me off. the only way we can get our money back is either thru the IFCC, which if all you complain to, might take notice, or thru hacking his email so that you can send an email to paypal to send refunds(good for us, but illegal) sigh...

MysticX23

July 9th, 2003, 06:17 PM

hey, someone in another forum said that today, the bestdealsmatrix homepage looked different --> somebody is on the site still....but i don't see any difference..what about you guys?

StoneyPits

July 9th, 2003, 08:26 PM

I read the same post, but I don't see any differences either. And also, I agree that suing would be NO FUN, and probably not even worth it for the amount of money involved. But I am a hard working man, with a wife and a baby on the way, and I can sure think of a lot of more beneficial things I could have done with my money rather than just give it to a stranger. But apparently that's what I've done. Silly, gullible, trusting me. Never again though. No more matrixing for me, thanks.

tcb1969a

July 9th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by StoneyPits
I read the same post, but I don't see any differences either. And also, I agree that suing would be NO FUN, and probably not even worth it for the amount of money involved. But I am a hard working man, with a wife and a baby on the way, and I can sure think of a lot of more beneficial things I could have done with my money rather than just give it to a stranger. But apparently that's what I've done. Silly, gullible, trusting me. Never again though. No more matrixing for me, thanks.

Don't give up so easily. Trial and error is how you succede in life.....

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 01:26 AM

true...but trial and error aren't the best way to learn...

...btw, if watchdog's lawyer wins, would it help get our money back from bestdealsmatrix.com?

tcb1969a

July 10th, 2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by MysticX23
true...but trial and error aren't the best way to learn...

...btw, if watchdog's lawyer wins, would it help get our money back from bestdealsmatrix.com?

If Watch Dog wins and I have money in a Matrix site, I can assure you that I won't ask for a refund from any Matrix site that gets closed down cause of the lawsuits....

Why you ask.....?

Cause I knew the risks when I joined.

And how you ask...?

Cause I can read.....

matrixlove

July 10th, 2003, 02:12 AM

are you saying that asking for a refund will never happen, even if watchdog wins?

tcb1969a

July 10th, 2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by matrixlove
are you saying that asking for a refund will never happen, even if watchdog wins?

What I am saying is that I, me personally, will not ask any Matrix site that I am on their list for a refund if I do not cycle.....because of Watch Dog closing their site down....

StoneyPits

July 10th, 2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by tcb1969a
What I am saying is that I, me personally, will not ask any Matrix site that I am on their list for a refund if I do not cycle.....because of Watch Dog closing their site down....

???

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 02:31 AM

is this because you something personal between you and watchdog, tcb?...cuz i mean bestdealsmatrix.com has not cycled 1 person and within about 30 days of opening, it has not responded to anyone...what do you say about that? a full refund should be given out, ESPECIALLY cuz no one has cycled...otherwise i could open up a matrix site, and before someone cycles, i disappear. that is not fair i believe.

tcb1969a

July 10th, 2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by MysticX23
is this because you something personal between you and watchdog, tcb?...cuz i mean bestdealsmatrix.com has not cycled 1 person and within about 30 days of opening, it has not responded to anyone...what do you say about that? a full refund should be given out, ESPECIALLY cuz no one has cycled...otherwise i could open up a matrix site, and before someone cycles, i disappear. that is not fair i believe.

Your absolutely right that is not fair, but what I am saying which seems to be misinterpreted, is that I know the risks going into a Matrix site, so I accept the loss if something like that happens to me. I am responsible for my own actions.....

hurley9192

July 10th, 2003, 01:02 PM

most of the problems though are because people don't know all the risks and are falsely lead to believe that this thing will continue forever and that they will receive something.

matrixfriendly

July 10th, 2003, 01:10 PM

You know that is bull. They know exactly what they are getting. If they read all the documents that they are told to read(FAQ and TOS) Look at the sites, they all have one. I do agree though if a site is going to guarantee the product they are giving away they are just asking for trouble. Most of the sites state clearly, you are buying Ebooks etc. and the gift is not guaranteed and that there is no refunds. How much clearer does it need to be?

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 01:27 PM

ok..i agree to the TOS, fully...but I think it would be better if on the TOS they say something to do wit if they shut down...

cuz many TOS doesn't mention anything, but what happens if they jjust run with the money? cuz if ya'll don't care if they run with the money, i'd be tempted to open matrix sites and run with the money too with the same TOS.

tcb1969a

July 10th, 2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by MysticX23
ok..i agree to the TOS, fully...but I think it would be better if on the TOS they say something to do wit if they shut down...

cuz many TOS doesn't mention anything, but what happens if they jjust run with the money? cuz if ya'll don't care if they run with the money, i'd be tempted to open matrix sites and run with the money too with the same TOS.

Run with what money. I have made more money being a Matrix customer than a Matrix owner.....

StoneyPits

July 10th, 2003, 06:55 PM

Sorry.

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 07:07 PM

hey, i'm not a moderator, but the site administrator just put a policy that doesn't allow bashing other people and stuff like that.. so if i were you stoneypitts, cool ur temper and edit ur post before he comes back to something less offensive. just an advice.

uwantme

July 10th, 2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by MysticX23
ok..i agree to the TOS, fully...but I think it would be better if on the TOS they say something to do wit if they shut down...

cuz many TOS doesn't mention anything, but what happens if they jjust run with the money? cuz if ya'll don't care if they run with the money, i'd be tempted to open matrix sites and run with the money too with the same TOS.

As long as you recieved the e-books you paid for technically no one ran off with your money.....

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 07:15 PM

what about when they guarantee 100% you will get ur prize when you cycle..but they close the site so that you have no chance to cycle?

uwantme

July 10th, 2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by StoneyPits
What money??? Uhh, maybe the THOUSANDS of dollars that people send to the matrix site. You are either ignorant, or maybe a scammer yourself.
"I have made more money being a Matrix customer than a Matrix owner....." So what site do you own?
If something is GUARANTEED, then you're f*ckin-A right I expect it.

I will post this for a third time most matrix sites to not guaentee anything. This is from the first paragraph of the matrix site i am a member of:

You consent that you understand that the free gifts we give away are based on sales and that if the sales are not met to qualify for the free gift then it will not be given, because of this no one is guaranteed the free gift.

How can you get much clear than that.

I am also for sh*ts and giggles going to post the whole first paragraph of their tos:

By purchasing our jewelry, e-books, and/or program packages you are stating you have read, understand and agree to abide by our terms and conditions. You are confirming you understand that you only bought our jewelry, e-books, and programs not the free gift. You are also stating that the free gift is not why you purchased the jewelry, e-books and/or programs. You agree you purchased the jewelry, e-books and/or programs for their value and the fact they offer you a return on your investment in them and they are worth the price you payed for them. You understand that refunds are only available with 48 hours of your purchase and getting a refund makes you ineligible for the free gift. You consent that you understand that the free gifts we give away are based on sales and that if the sales are not met to qualify for the free gift then it will not be given, because of this no one is guaranteed the free gift. Purchasing any of our programs for the sole purpose of attaining the free gift is prohibited, you must be making the purchase because you want and understand the value of the jewelry, e-books and programs themselves, and not the free gift.THIS PROGRAM IS VOID WHERE PROHIBITED BY LAW

I mean wow.. What part of that is clear or could you possibly not understand?

uwantme

July 10th, 2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by MysticX23
what about when they guarantee 100% you will get ur prize when you cycle..but they close the site so that you have no chance to cycle?

Well once again they are saying 100% guarentee if you cycle. If the site closed down, then you didnt cycle so you are not under that guarentee. It maybe crappy but thats the way it works.

MysticX23

July 10th, 2003, 07:20 PM

sigh...okok

tcb1969a

July 11th, 2003, 01:43 AM

hurley9192

July 11th, 2003, 02:25 AM

no one buys the stupid ebooks for use, they are buying a spot in line. Most people were roped into some of these sites solely on the belief that if they spent just a little bit of money, they would get something worth 20 times more than they spent. Most of the people that got in are ignorant and thought, hey what the heck, it's only $45...

No one reads the TOS unless it is pointed out, which most of you are having to do now because it's going to be a legal issue that you hid the truth in the fine print.

There's no way that a matrix site will pay back most of the money received because you still have to buy the prizes, which cost a bunch of money. Although, I would guess that there are some ships that don't have as many electronic devices and that's how most are saving money.

matrixfriendly, there is no bull in the statment that I made...it was the truth and there were a lot of people that paid in $45 to rsient.com and when I emailed them and told them how it works, they responded with a bunch of "thank you's" and wondered if it was too good to be true that they may not cycle even though the website said they would in 1-3 months. None of them read the TOS and not a single one told me that they didn't care about the gift because they now have these magical ebooks that are so valuable that you can get them for free on the internet.

tcb1969a

July 11th, 2003, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by hurley9192
no one buys the stupid ebooks for use, they are buying a spot in line. Most people were roped into some of these sites solely on the belief that if they spent just a little bit of money, they would get something worth 20 times more than they spent. Most of the people that got in are ignorant and thought, hey what the heck, it's only $45...

No one reads the TOS unless it is pointed out, which most of you are having to do now because it's going to be a legal issue that you hid the truth in the fine print.

There's no way that a matrix site will pay back most of the money received because you still have to buy the prizes, which cost a bunch of money. Although, I would guess that there are some ships that don't have as many electronic devices and that's how most are saving money.

matrixfriendly, there is no bull in the statment that I made...it was the truth and there were a lot of people that paid in $45 to rsient.com and when I emailed them and told them how it works, they responded with a bunch of "thank you's" and wondered if it was too good to be true that they may not cycle even though the website said they would in 1-3 months. None of them read the TOS and not a single one told me that they didn't care about the gift because they now have these magical ebooks that are so valuable that you can get them for free on the internet.

And your point is.....

Just out of curiosity, how is it the Matrix site owners fault if someone does not read the TOS......

There are a lot of sites out there, that have TOS, and I am not speaking about Matrix sites either. And when something doesn't go your way on those other sites, you just can't cry, "I didn't read the TOS", because most of those non-matrix sites won't care and would state to you that you should have read the TOS and that their TOS legally protects them.....

StoneyPits

July 11th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by MysticX23
hey, i'm not a moderator, but the site administrator just put a policy that doesn't allow bashing other people and stuff like that.. so if i were you stoneypitts, cool ur temper and edit ur post before he comes back to something less offensive. just an advice.

You're right. Sometimes I can be very abrasive. I have removed the post in question. I apologize if I have offended any1.
I still think I should get my money back though. Don't listen to these people who would like to see you accept the fact that you've been ripped off. That makes no sense to me. I know that other people have requested a refund from Ginix, etc. and they have received it. So obviously I'm not the only one who thinks they owe us.

tcb1969a

July 11th, 2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by StoneyPits
You're right. Sometimes I can be very abrasive. I have removed the post in question. I apologize if I have offended any1.
I still think I should get my money back though. Don't listen to these people who would like to see you accept the fact that you've been ripped off. That makes no sense to me. I know that other people have requested a refund from Ginix, etc. and they have received it. So obviously I'm not the only one who thinks they owe us.

So let me guess, you want to be able to have a chance at cycling, but if you don't you want your money back....hmm...that's not how it works.....Most matrix list are free, and you are purchasing the item (i.e. ebooks) not a spot on the list..........

MysticX23

July 11th, 2003, 02:41 PM

sigh...i'm split on this..i can see tcb's point clearly that its free and its stated in the tos..but i realli realli want my money back too...

but when they close down, your "free chance" to cycle is no longer there. you don't have it anymore. does that mean you bought an ebook that was suppost to come with a free chance and they don't give you that free chance anymore?

tcb1969a

July 11th, 2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by MysticX23
sigh...i'm split on this..i can see tcb's point clearly that its free and its stated in the tos..but i realli realli want my money back too...

but when they close down, your "free chance" to cycle is no longer there. you don't have it anymore. does that mean you bought an ebook that was suppost to come with a free chance and they don't give you that free chance anymore?

If a site opens up and then closes down in a couple months, I could see that the site owes people a refund, but if a site stays open, then no one can say for sure that the people on the list won't cycle some day, further if a site close down after a year or so of operation then no refunds should be given cause all business can and sometimes do fail...............

MysticX23

July 11th, 2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by tcb1969a
If a site opens up and then closes down in a couple months, I could see that the site owes people a refund, but if a site stays open, then no one can say for sure that the people on the list won't cycle some day, further if a site close down after a year or so of operation then no refunds should be given cause all business can and sometimes do fail...............

that is exactly what is happening with bestdealsmatrix. first, they've been open for like 2 months max, then they dont' respond, update, reply, etc... --> closed down. not only that, they haven't cycled ANYONE so they can refund most of the money back without losing anything which i think is reasonable. THATs the argument we people at bestdealsmatrix have for wanting our money back...
...and yes business can and sometmes do fail, but i can see no reason why bestdealsmatrix failed, especially after they haven't even cycled anyone.

tcb1969a

July 11th, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by MysticX23
that is exactly what is happening with bestdealsmatrix. first, they've been open for like 2 months max, then they dont' respond, update, reply, etc... --> closed down. not only that, they haven't cycled ANYONE so they can refund most of the money back without losing anything which i think is reasonable. THATs the argument we people at bestdealsmatrix have for wanting our money back...
...and yes business can and sometmes do fail, but i can see no reason why bestdealsmatrix failed, especially after they haven't even cycled anyone.

Which is my point, being a matrix owner, is that if a site opens then closes they are using the matrix system to scam people, and the indivuals should seek restitution from said site. But if a site is open, I would say longer than 6 months or a year, then no restitution is warented since they obviously tried to make it work, but as some business do, they fail..........

MoNkEy MaN X

July 12th, 2003, 09:57 AM

"what type of guarantee is there?

there is a 100% guarantee on getting your items but there is no set time frame on how long you will have to wait to get you item."

Taken directly from bestdealsmatrix.com FAQ page. This guarantees the item 100%. It doesn't say anything about whether you are waiting after the cycling or if the waiting is the cycling. So they do guarentee you to get the item that is advertised as the free gift.

Well it's right there is black and white...

uwantme

July 12th, 2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by MoNkEy MaN X
"what type of guarantee is there?

there is a 100% guarantee on getting your items but there is no set time frame on how long you will have to wait to get you item."

Taken directly from bestdealsmatrix.com FAQ page. This guarantees the item 100%. It doesn't say anything about whether you are waiting after the cycling or if the waiting is the cycling. So they do guarentee you to get the item that is advertised as the free gift.

Well it's right there is black and white...

Thats not a very good sight then and the owner probably doesnt know what they are doing.. However all sites to not put crap like that on them.

MoNkEy MaN X

July 12th, 2003, 02:48 PM

Well, they have the same faq as ematrixusa.com which is one of the larger matrix sites. Difference between bestdealsmatrix.com and ematrixusa.com is that I actually was refunded at ematrixusa.

StoneyPits

July 12th, 2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by MoNkEy MaN X
Well, they have the same faq as ematrixusa.com which is one of the larger matrix sites. Difference between bestdealsmatrix.com and ematrixusa.com is that I actually was refunded at ematrixusa.

Refunded by ematrixusa or Ginix?

The TOS/FAQ are EXACTLY the same at ematrixusa and bestdealsmatrix, both guarateeing that you will get your free gift. That's why I've been on here trippin about it. They owe us our free prize, or at least our money back if they're never going to come through on their guarantee. Some people will try to twist the wording around to make it fit their argument, but the real deal is that THEY OWE US.

uwantme

July 12th, 2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by StoneyPits
Refunded by ematrixusa or Ginix?

The TOS/FAQ are EXACTLY the same at ematrixusa and bestdealsmatrix, both guarateeing that you will get your free gift. That's why I've been on here trippin about it. They owe us our free prize, or at least our money back if they're never going to come through on their guarantee. Some people will try to twist the wording around to make it fit their argument, but the real deal is that THEY OWE US.

I never said they didnt owe you. In fact if they were dumb enough to post a phrase like that in their TOS, I think they should have to refund you.