Still NO reply from Greg

[artsiteuk]

He must be tracked down. People are starting to worry again over at the Gotmatrix? forums. His customers must understand that Greg will only reply with the threat of legal action against him. He will come back only to make up excuses about his email or server glitches. Wake up!! He has spent your money!

[mikv]

Has anybody contacted "BIG SIS" aka Christynn1224?? She was the squad leader of the manhunt they had going for Greg a couple of weeks ago when she thought she lost out on her money, she gathered quite a bit of info on him, perhaps she can still be of some assistance if she hasn't done away with all that info.


**hey what happened to my "senior member" title? Now i'm just a registered user.....was I demoted.... :cool: ? I just noticed it, no biggie...***

[mercinary]

Probably a result of the upgrade. I think you might be able to even change your title via the user CP page.

-Merc

[MatrixWatch]

Is Greg in Jail or something?

[mikv]

I've edited this due to the fact that Greg IS still around, he just answered a post at his forums stating he doesn't know why people can't get through. He states he's receiving tons of emails daily requesting refunds, and I guess that's why he's not answering because they don't offer them. That's about all he says though, no other reasons given and no excuses why he hasn't mailed out checks.

[MatrixWatch]

I'm glad to see that he is around again. Silence from a matrix owner can really get the customers freaked out and worried. Hopefully the customers can get some help from him.

However, on the other hand I see Greg's situation and I understand why he tries to keep a distance. Anyone who understands the matrix model knows that there is nothing Greg can do to get everyone their refunds. The more refunds he gives away, the more spots that are on the lists disappear. The more spots that disappear, the longer it will take to cycle those at the top. The longer it takes to cycle those at the top, the greater the amount of refund requests. Pretty soon he will need to dig into his own pockets, and that could be tens of thousands of dollars.

The best thing he could probably do is arrange to give people a percentage of their money back and then close down the site. This would avoid costly legal battles, a possible arrest from the authorities, and peace of mind knowing that your customers will no longer try to hunt you down.

Perhaps the GotMatrix supporters or customers have a better idea. If so, it would be nice if they came here to discuss it. Hopefully we can help them come to a peaceful resolution.

[MatrixWatch]

Mikv,
Regarding the user titles, I've posted a new discussion in our "site suggestions" forum. It would be great if you and the other members could help out with this one.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=43

[concerned]

Well, I don't think the customers were that freaked out over the fact that Greg was silent. After all, the site was ranked number 1 at Matrix-sites during the entire time they have had their problems. That just goes to show you how brainwashed those people are. For about 2-3 months they were never in 1st place. Then they shut the site down for 72 hours with no warning, and then when it comes back on, the owner ignores the customers, and for that effort, they are voted into first place again. I wonder what would happen when he actually closes the site and places the following message on his site?

"We would like to thank you for lining my pockets with your money. Hope you enjoy those ebooks, because you will never get anything else. This site is closed, and you can consider yourself scammed."

If that were to happen, I can only imagine the praise those trusty customers would give him. Maybe they would nominate him for a congressional medal of honor.

[Dreamer]

Hey concerned...I think I know why they are back at #1.

There is a thread on M-W that says that RDM is so slow, and any new openings are getting less and less people...let me see if I can find it (I"m sure you guys have read it).

http://www.matrix-sites.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1592

Yeah, it seems that all current matrices have slowed down a little, even at launches!

Ok, not that impressive of a thread. Her follow up suggestion of why this is happening so she can shamelessly promote her 2 stupid sites that she fell in love with, playing the scammer role very well. Heck, you can read a post in the newbies section where people ask about the best site, so obviously her two stupid sites is the hotest thing everybody is talking about (well, at least she is).

Even penty had to ask a newbie not to open another matrix site because there are too many out there.

What is sounds like is slowly but surely, there are more and more people happy to play the con, promote some site to make money, than once that slows down (within a couple weeks usually), they attack their next site. The problem with this is alot of people are left at each of the sites along the way and they don't go on because they don't have money.

It really just sounds like people are giving up on this scam. It was fun while it lasted. There are a few people probably close to cycling on GM that they are willing to promote promote and promote more and vote 3 times a day for GM in hopes of cycling. So, I don't think there is anybody voting for GM, excepts Gregs lover and a few people hoping to cycle. I think people are just fed up with the whole matrix system anyways since 90% of them will never cycle. So, while people are paying $200 so their matrix site will look exactly like everybody else's site and prelaunching their site 6 months ahead of time, the "customers' are tired of not seeing any money ever arnd are calling it quits.

[Dreamer]

Hey guys. Word is Greg isn't so bad!

http://www.gotmatrix.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1818&start=15

Hey Guys Supe had made an urgent request the next day he made the payment to gotmatrix for a refund as his mom was admitted to the Hospital and supe needed the money badly.
I was the one who got supedabest to buy 2 spots on the Gameboy advance sp list, he got on the list one day and got off the other day and he also apologised to me giving me the true reason of withdrawal of funds.
So guys greg is not a bad guy, give him time and we all willl get there...


So, all the people he lied to about emailing, and all the lies about sending out gifts and not really sending them. And the whole thing about pretending to be offline for 3 days and reading the forums on M-W, and deleting all those posts suggesting he doesn't care about customers. His ignoring people asking in the forums...etc. Just ignore all that. Some loser is back who just wants to know how he's doing. I smell his butt buddy using a different name trying to get the topic away from all that negative and just posting to see how he's doing.

[mikv]

Well looks like Greg is gone again, they set up a question thread specifically for Greg to answer his customers in the GM Forum, and Greg has yet to answer anything. The list keeps growing of people looking for their cycled earnings or products and still nothing.

[MatrixWatch]

I think that Greg's customers may have already let him get away with it. I mean, Greg has pulled this sort of thing before and I am beginning to think that we was just testing the waters... You know, just seeing what his customers would do if he took off with their money. This has happened 2, 3, 4 times already and I wonder if he was just wearing them down, because each time he shows up miraculously and rights all of the wrongs.

You see, he was conditioning his members into thinking that every time he goes missing he will eventually show up. If his customers keep letting him get away with it then one of these days he won't be coming back. Who knows, this could be that time.

Whatever the case it is clear that GotMatrix is not the average matrix site. "Greg" the owner has pulled a few stunts showing that he is a very talented owner, and I am beginning to think that he may just get away with it.

If the customers would like to have the slightest chance of getting their money back they must realize that they will NEVER cycle out of the matrix. So, waiting around for some big check is out of the question. Also, many of the "refunds" and "prizes" that have gone out are more than likely fabricated stories. Greg could be behind some of the angry posts on the forums, only so he can show up refunding and rewarding these illusory complainers. Each member must ask themselves, "Have I received what I am asking for?" If not, then they need to start talking to district attornies, FBI agents, police officers, and banks/CC companies. This is a serious matter.

Greg's disappearances could very well be a process used to keep all of them trapped in the matrix, or then again it could just be the evidence of his getting worn out. If that is the case then disappearing is not a good tactic at all, and it means the matrix will crash soon. Either way they look at his disappearances, stupid or genius, it is no good for those who still have money in GotMatrix, and those customers should start taking action immediately.

[Dreamer]

I have a question. Why is it so difficult for the allmighty to pay his cyclers? Doesn't he own his own hosting company? Doesn't he have money coming in from that, or is that a failure like the rest of his life/personality? Doesn't he also make money on each sale above the cost of the prize? And what about all the helpers out there...There are lists where people are trying to cycle, so isn't that money in the account also?

How can this guy be broke? It should be simple to pay the complainers. How many people have cycled that gave up on the site and will probably never get anything? Do you think he contacts them to send out their "gifts"?

What ever happened to finding nemo anyways? Did he ever get paid. He disappeared...

And the boy wonder...what is he up to? Leaving the allmighty to delete the posts himself and posting stupid sites in the forums himself?

[concerned]

The reason he probably cannot pay the cyclers is because people are starting to be smart, and file chargebacks on their credit cards for being scammed. When that happens, they take the money back from him, and there is that much less money for him to pay people. Also, he had some money frozen in another account, and nobody knows if he ever got that money back or not. I am guessing that enough people got smart enough and filed their chargebacks, and now Greg is stuck paying the bill himself, without any money left in the pot.

[mikv]

If I remember correctly he was due to have that money unfrozen last November or December. There was a little bit of a beginning of the year rush in cyclers during Jan-Feb at GM, so I would assume he used a small portion of that money to stifle the biggest complainers at the time. Judging by the investigation that "BIG SIS" did on him a few weeks back, Greg had bought a custom new car and possibly a new place to live, so it appears whatever was left was possibly spent on that. Since then any monies that have been taken in have most likely been spent too. So I think it's a combination of chargebacks, whatever refunds he's agreed to pay back and his dipping into the pot whenever he needs something, being the reason why he can't pay out to anybody anymore.

[Dreamer]

Ok. Some follow up questions than.

1. If matrix sites are legal, since he's so proud of it, than why would money be frozen? Legit business would fight and sue if that happened to them.

2. What about the profits from G-H? Is there a way to find out who actually has that as their host?

3. What about the 10% or whatever he makes per sale? Just the sales from the $15/$25 should have netted him in the 10s of thousands.

4. What about all the people who are waiting to cycle? Money was paid into a cycle that didn't cycle yet, so why not use that money?

[mikv]

1. I believe PayPal froze his account after a complaint was made against the site. Someone didn't receive their ebooks or something, which was grounds back then for freezing according to PayPal's terms. Greg stated at the time there was nothing he can do.

2. From what I understood off of Big Sis's investigation, G-H was registered to someone else, or under a fraudulent name. Not sure who really runs it or if Greg is the actual owner of that company too.

3. Greg was reported to have bought a new "custom" Jetta or something like that, and he claims to have used some money back when he had a customer who bought like 100+ spots and then did a chargeback or something like that, (not sure what it was all about.)

4. Only thing I can think of is either he still has the money or he's already spent it, either way he claims to not have any money.

[OROZCOM]

So what has everyone found out about getting our money.
If you've been on the gotmatrix site you've probably seen my name around.
I cycled for the portable dvd player and the 42" plasma, so Greg owes me about $3950.00. I've sent him numerous e-mail and pm's and have came up empty!!!

What happened to that woman on here with her police husband?

Did they ever hunt him down?

What else can I do?

Mike

[ycchen]

If I were your good friend, I would suggest that you try any possible means to get the cycled money.
1) continue to spam the GM's forum, like what Red7 did before;
2) send countless email and pm to him daily;
3) call him at home and at work regularly ;
4) send letter to his home and work address;
5) fax request letter to his home and office (anyone has his fax numbers?)
6) pay him a visit with other victicms and see if he really live there. Sometimes, face to face communication is more effective than indirect ways;
7) ask your lawyer to send him a warning letter;
8) organize other vicitms and hire a private investigator (Dreamer's suggestion)
9) others ______________

As anti-matrix advocate, my suggestion would be:
1) ask for refund;
2) report him to the local police fraud division where he lives;
3) take him to small claim court;
4) file class lawsuit.

The woman (with a police housband) is Christy, and she and her cohorts (cisco and nemisis) have all got their cycled money on GM, so she is not interested in investigating the GM scam any more. You can pm her on GM (christy1224) see if she is willing to share information with you, or even help you. It worth a try since she seems to be able to convince Greg to pay his cycled members in the past.

As far as I know, she was busy attacking other 2nd generation matrix-sites (realdealmatrix ..etc) after she has successfully attack the speculative "superfast $500 list" on GM. Now, she is (or was) moving to other 'get-rich-fast' scam such as doubler/randomizer. I don't think she care much about whether there are scam or not, as long as she could be the early birds who get paid, she will go for it, and won't bother too much if unlucky newbies got stuck in the stagnant scam.

Personally, I don't think you can rely on an opportunist and speculator like Christy, unless you can convince her that there is "a business opportunity" for her in the process. Yet, I might be wrong. So, there is no harm pm her and see if she can help you in one way or the other.