Going after Greg

[Dreamer]

I'm going to start this thread and hope those of you involved in GM will participate in it and get this crook.

If you don't know what the problem is with this guy and this site, you need to read the threads here more. The site looks like its slowly being abondoned. A member even suggested that "greg" was in the process of moving.

With a combined effort from all of you involved in that site you can help shut down the site, get people the refunds, and prevent others from getting scamemd. Even if you have cycled and are no longer part of the site your help will help others.

So, here is what I suggest. If you would like to help this cause, respond to this posting with how you can help. If you don't know how you can help, just respond stating that you'll do whatever you can.

I think the more people that see all the people wanting to help the better chance of something happening. You can't rely on others to do the work. So, respond to this message and lets get something going.

[artsiteuk]

I've been on the gotmatrix lists for over 18 months now and I'm close to cycling. I realsied about 4 months ago that even if i did cycle I still wouldn't receive my item. There are too many people over there who cycled months ago with no reply or items sent out from Greg. I have posted many times on the Gotmatrix forums advising people to come over to matrixwatch to discuss the situation and try to resolve it. Each post gets deleted, so Greg must be around somewhere. At first I thought it was sig deleting them, but he seems to be getting the message that Greg is just a scammer. Come on people! He will get away with it if we don't get together and do somthing about it.

[glyphrunner]

I am most definitely willing to pitch in on this. In fact, I've already taken Watchdog's "Legal info" link and filed with the FTC in regards to Greg's fraudulant practices.

[sigx97]

I cycled on a few things in the past month or so and I have nothing to show for those cycled spots.

[MatrixWatch]

I am most definitely willing to pitch in on this. In fact, I've already taken Watchdog's "Legal info" link and filed with the FTC in regards to Greg's fraudulant practices.

Fantastic. The leaders here at Matrixwatch have done a phenomenal job at organizing that information so that customers like yourself can be empowered to take action.

The more government officials who know about this scam, the better. Remember to encourage others to get involved as well. Also, keep the GotMatrix customers informed on all the latest develpments in your reports and activities.

Together and united, the GotMatrix customers may be able to get their money back.

[mercinary]

Another very helpful thing to do is to write the Attorney General of your state. Check out our FAQ for a link to a webpage that lists all of the A.G.s and their respective addresses.

-Merc

[jcyenting]

I signed up for this site since I just found out that Gotmatrix is gone. I have put in $4000 cash to that site, and regretted it the same day. I made my order in year 2000, and have waited so long without even getting close to the cycling position. I still remember how people used to delete my posts about the truth I've discovered about that site, I tried to get a refund the same day I ordered but Greg did not approve that, reason being my purchase was made before the refund policy installed.

Well, enough whining. Tell me how I can help in this action of putting Greg to justice. But I'm still in my third year of college, my priority is to get through college first. So, let me know if there's anything I can help with regarding contact ppl or write letters.

[Dreamer]

i might be wrong, but I don't think that gotmatrix was even open in 2000...I think it was closer to 2002, but I might be mistaken.

[mikv]

I signed up for this site since I just found out that Gotmatrix is gone. I have put in $4000 cash to that site, and regretted it the same day. I made my order in year 2000, and have waited so long without even getting close to the cycling position. I still remember how people used to delete my posts about the truth I've discovered about that site, I tried to get a refund the same day I ordered but Greg did not approve that, reason being my purchase was made before the refund policy installed.

Well, enough whining. Tell me how I can help in this action of putting Greg to justice. But I'm still in my third year of college, my priority is to get through college first. So, let me know if there's anything I can help with regarding contact ppl or write letters.

A strange post if you ask me, GotMatrix did not exist in 2000, you'd think if you lost $4000 you would remember when you paid it. Also the end is a little hard to comprehend, "Tell me how I can help in this action of putting Greg to justice, but I'm still in my third year of college, my priority is to get through college first"???

So you want your money back, but only after you finish college first?? By the time you finish Greg will be long gone along with your money and the more time you let elapse, the worse the chances are you will get anything back.

[Dreamer]

College is a good priority...however, my problem is he bought it in 2000, which is 4 years ago, and he's been in college for 3 years. So, he made the purchase before starting college? was GM open that long? Also, a refund the same day without it being honoroed? $4k is good enough to talk to your credit card and get it back that way.

I'm not doubting your story. Maybe you did lose alot of money. But your facts seem a little off.

[sigx97]

I was going to post what you 2 posted but I figured it maybe viewed as supporting the matrix again so I didnt. GM opened up in March of 2002 accoring to the front page of the site.

[dmek69]

I signed up with GotMatrix about a year ago for a 19" LCD monitor by Samsung. Needless to say now the site is closed and I'm out $50 bucks. I just finished voicing my complaint with the FTC also and asked them to send me information as to what else I can do to help persecute this man for these crimes he has committed. It’s unfortunate that people out there see the Internet as an opportunity to screw people other than legitimately help people.

If this type of activity continues only big businesses will be able to survive online because laws will ultimately hinder the honest mans chances at a fair deal.

Gone are the days of hard workingmen, we now live in an opportunist world. =(

With the help of this site and the remaining good people out there willing to do the right thing I hope, at least for my son’s sake, he and others will never have these issues to have to deal with for long.

Yes, please let me know what else I can do to further this cause. I’m damn angry and I want those who can actually do something about it to know it.

[jcyenting]

My mistake, I have went back and checked with Paypal for the payments I have sent to Gotmatrix.com. And the orders were made on Apr. 20, 26, Jun. 23 and Jul. 1st of 2003. I should have confirm with Paypal before I started babbling about my stupidity.

And please don't get me wrong, I'd like to participate in the action of filing a case against Greg in any possible way. But my point was, if it is going to intervene with my heavy load of works at school, then I will have to reconsider what's my priority and put my mind to the immediate issue.

As the current stage of my life, getting out of Penn State is my priority. But if I may and circumstances allowed, I would help in any possible way I could regarding bring Greg to justice.

[Dreamer]

I was going to post what you 2 posted but I figured it maybe viewed as supporting the matrix again so I didnt. GM opened up in March of 2002 accoring to the front page of the site.

Its not a question of supporting it or not. I'm sure he lost money, and it probably happened like about what he said. But if he would take Greg to court and say he purchased things in 2000 when the site didn't open to 2002 he won't get very far. Much like Brian. I don't think he would make up the story on the forums, but well...things just didn't sound right.

And, I'm sure I speak for alot of members here (or at very least me). If you don't want to post anything due to sounding like your supporting matrix sites, post anyways. Me, I'd rather hear what supporters, whether current or who played a big role like you did, think rather than the same jibberish some of us spew here on a daily basis because we lack anything resembling lives :)

[Dreamer]

Welcome to the forum JC. I think we knew it was an honest mistake the dates you gave. But, if a class action is ever filed and your called on the stand, get your "facts" straight :) If you are on any other matrix type forums you should try to bring people here so maybe more people would be willing to do something.

Good luck with Penn State. That definately should be a top priority.

Speaking of which...anybody want to guess when a statute of limitations is to file a claim against greg? Would it be lifted if it is found to be running an illegial ponzi scheme? and if there is a statute would that apply to when the purchase was made, when a refund was requested, when it was realized it was a scam, or when the site closed down? any ideas?

[jokach]

I think as far as the statue of limitations goes, if filing a class action suit, it would the last time, the last person on that suit made a purchase on got-matrix. In this case, its pretty recent, and even common law states that simple misdeamors have a statute of limitations of at least 2 years, so since these charges are much about that, I would say on the upwards of 3-4 years. I'm not a lawyer, but in looking around, that seems fair.

Either way, now is the time for anybody caught up in got matrix to consider the class action lawsuit. The clock is now ticking.

[OROZCOM]

I too signed up with gotmatrix last year. I signed up for the Ipaq Compaq, the portable DVD Player and the 42" plasma. I did receive the cash value for the Ipaq Compaq. A couple of months ago I also cycled for the portable dvd player and the 42" plasma. Now greg owes me $3950.00 for the remaining gifts. I've tried to contact him in every way possible and no reply from him.
I even sent a registed letter to his linkside address and have not received a reply yet.

Now his site has closed and he has escaped with everyones money!!!

What can we all do to get our money back or take action towards this guy?

Mike

[mercinary]

Mike,

I replied to you here:

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=15281#post15281

-Merc

[sigx97]

Did you get anything back from you letter you sent? Like a signed postcard from the post office or any documentation that it was delivered? Make sure you hold on to that if you did.

[OROZCOM]

No, I never received any reply from the post office.

[sigx97]

Thats weird, you should have gotten a postcard showing that it was delivered, did you get a tracking number?

[nicoleeubanks]

I have filed 2 IFCC reports before on EBay sellers who scammed me and never saw nothing from it. Not a single word. Does this actually work? Can anyone tell me for sure? I just think it may be a waste of time.

I always said as long as the site was up, then we were allowed the opportunity to cycle and that was what I signed up for. This however is not. I lost at least $2000.00 and I purchased many actual "spots" in the matrix directly from other customers back before Greg put an end to that. So I did indeed make purchases solely for spots in the matrix and not for ebooks and should have records if nothing else that could be supoenaed(spelled right?) from Paypal as that is how I paid Greg and other Gotmatrix users for the larger majority of my spots in the matrices I joined.

I wouldn't know the slightest thing about getting involved in a class action suit, but if it is something a lot of people are interested in, I just wanted to leave my 2 cents and if anyone gets this thing going let me know. I can help with some of the aspects if need be... I have 3 kids(2 really small ones) so I don't have an excess amount of spare time to lead this thing off.

Just wanted to chime in on this thread. I figured I would give Greg all the time in the world if he kept the site running and since I was pretty close to cycling on the $25 list I figured I was going to find out first hand if he was really not paying everyone. Well I guess now there shouldn't be any doubts. This is so not cool. Especially after I tried to put all my faith in him to do things as he said he would. I didn't care if I did have to wait 20 years to cycle as long as I didn't get ripped off, but unfortunately it looks like Greg decided to fulfill Watchdog's & his crews prophecies. Anyway, wanted to voice my support on this if anyone does indeed pull this together.

[concerned]

I didn't care if I did have to wait 20 years to cycle as long as I didn't get ripped off, but unfortunately it looks like Greg decided to fulfill Watchdog's & his crews prophecies. Anyway, wanted to voice my support on this if anyone does indeed pull this together.

Well, sorry you had to wait so long for this conclusion. As for Greg fulfilling Matrix Watch's prophecies, he did not do any such thing. It wasn't our will that he do this. It was the math behind the scam. It was our hope that he would close over 2 years ago, so that he wouldn't scam any more people, but that never happened. It was obvious from day 1 that it would not last forever. Unfortunately a whole lot of people will have to suffer. Now is the time for you all to do something.

[MatrixWatch]

Especially after I tried to put all my faith in him to do things as he said he would. I didn't care if I did have to wait 20 years to cycle as long as I didn't get ripped off, but unfortunately it looks like Greg decided to fulfill Watchdog's & his crews prophecies. Anyway, wanted to voice my support on this if anyone does indeed pull this together.

Nicolee,
It is good to see some of the veteran supporters here at MW helping the GM customers. And I'd like to say that we aren't soothsayers or anything like that.
:)

We have only witnessed the collapse of HUNDREDS of sites, and over a period of time we started to see a pattern. The matrix sites collapse due to a mathematical problem with their lists, alongside a bunch of other problems as well. It is for this reason that people accuse matrix scams as being pyramids. It is impossible for these sites to last longer than a couple years because the lists begin to slow down, and people get impatient.

Remember, matrix scams are designed to attract people who want to get rich quickly. But, the matrix scams can't fulfill that desire at a certain point, and as a result the customers will start to pull the whole structure down.

We realized this quite early in the game, and we concluded that GotMatrix would be no different since Greg had done nothing to prevent it. It isn't like he could though. When we spoke to him early in the game he thumbed his nose at us and said that he would prove all of us wrong with his site. Hey, haven't we heard this from other matrix owners lately? LOL.

Now, let me say something else to the GotMatrix community based on my observations and experiences. If you guys don't unite and organize yourselves, you aren't going to see a dime. $300-$500,000 is a lot of money, and if you think that Greg is just sitting at home watching TV then you are poorly mistaken.

You have a huge opportunity to do something here, but for every hour you wait you only facilitate Greg's escape. Contact some lawyers in Ohio, contact the District Attorney's office in Cincinnatti, contact the payment processors that serviced GotMatrix and start mailing letters to the authorities in both Ohio and in your home state.

MatrixWatch.org is here to be a place where the GM customers can converse and move forward with a plan, but we are not able to do the work for you. Each customers of Greg's will need to do their share of the research, and pull their own weight. It will take a community effort, and the end will be rewarding if you cooperate.

[Dreamer]

People are posting his address and phone number, his neighbors, what he had for breakfast, etc. I don't think he's there anymore. He got a good chunck of change so he probably moved down the street in his gf name and put everything in her name so he's harder to find.

Somebody has to do something. If everybody relies on everybody ele than nothing will get done. If you don't want to do anything becasuse you've never done anything like this, ask WD questions. I don't know if he did anything like this before he did it, and now look what good he's done for people.

[MatrixWatch]

Should I create a "how to" thread? :)

[mercinary]

I'm taking care of it already. Stay tuned in the next 15 mins or so.

-Merc

[ycchen]

Merc has compiled a great list for actions in the other thread. If you think you are a victim of gotmatrix online pyramid scheme, please take immediate action because I am very worried that Greg might be on the run already.

My personal favorite action is to file complaint to the Cincinnati police department. This the quickest way to begin a REAL investagation by the authority. My personal experience with the Long Beach Police Department was that after probably about 20 or more reports filed against the scammer, the police department (fraud division) begin their investigation, and eventually arrest the scammer. The more report summited, the faster the action will be taken.

Just a reminder. For those who have contact the police officer regarding reporting the gotmatrix's fraud, please give your feedback to the rest of the victims so they know how to file the police report properly. This is what we have been saying about "working together as a community of victims," to exchange information and to take collective action .

Here is the information of the police officer who is in charge of "fraud investigation" at the cincinnati police department. It would be better to call the officer first and learn a proper way to file police report. And according to my experience with Long Beach Police Department (which might be a bit different in Cincinnati PD), the first one to file police report will be assigned a "case number", and the rest of the people could simply "email", "mail" or "drop in" to file your report to the SAME case number, so all the complaints will be put in one file. And you can always call back to check the status of the investigation according to the assigned CASE NUMBER. Again, that's just my own experience to share, which might vary from one PD to another.

But please take IMMEDIATE action because there is a great chance that Greg will dissappear VERY SOON even before the police begin their investigation. It takes some time (probably a a few weeks) for the Police to begin their own investigation on the fraud, and make their own judgement whether they have a case against this person, in our case -- Greg Day. If the PD conclude that this is a real fraud (which I am sure they will) they will begin their own action.

Thus, a DETAILED police report is absolutely crucial to help speed up the investigation. A crapy report will not help. If all the vicitims submit very high quality police report (with all the necessary evidences), then, then the PD will take less time to investigate, and faster action will be taken accordingly.

Please make contact immediately!

Fraud Investigation:

Sgt. Jamel Smith 513 352-3542

jamel.smith@cincinnati-oh.gov

Source:
I found Sgt. Jamel Smith's contact info here: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-5139-/

[ycchen]

In interesting link about illegal DVD sales in Cincinatti. Sgt. Jamel Smith's name was mention.

http://www.wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/iteam/02222004.html

Do you think the I-Team undercover reporter is interested in internet fraud conducted by fellow resident in Cincinatti? :)

[Dreamer]

I think so! Is there a way we can somehow connect their work of illegial dvd sales to this site though? I just think the size of this scam might be of interest there. Worth a shot. If only greg offered a dvd of your choice.

[Dreamer]

One email sent. Its an old article, but anybody else want to bother these nice people to see if this is a story worth investigating? :)

[sigx97]

He used to, it became the $25 line

[dwin75]

After all that talk, that he had proved the "system" worked, I still knew this day would come. And now I see all these former hard-core supporters coming out of the woodwork asking for help, it just makes me grin!

Anyway, one point I remember, is that Greg also has a hosting company known as Got-Host? I checked and the website is still up.

http://www.got-host.com

Is there some way that this can be used to find Greg? Also, another Ohio dweller as far as I can tell, Ashu, the owner of the TheiMatrix.com has taken down his personal website (www.ashuc.com) perhaps in fear that it will expose him. Both these guys need to be brought to justice. Both Greg and Ashu are connected with Matrix Agency (www.matrixagency.com), which may also help.

[ycchen]

dwin75, good to see you again :) Yes, gotmatrix is down and ALL customers are pissed. But if gotmatrix is UP again and start giving away gifts to a selective 1-2 people, do you think he will win them back to his side? Frankly speaking, I am not so sure.

Pyramid/ponzi scheme is a powerful scam that creates strong supporters ( the early birds or insiders) who would defense the system at all scost because the early birds benefit on it. That explain why it never dies! It will always reinvent itself in a new ways, and I am waiting for the next one to come after this lousy "doubler", a matrix mutant, dies.

Back to the topic. Since Ashu and Greg are buddies, it would be a good idea to go after Ashu too. Getting one will lead to the other one, right? I am sure there are tons of disgrunted customers who are looking for Ashu for refund or free gifts.

If you are victims of Ashu's theimatrix.com, please come forward to share and exchange your information.

[samslack]

I also am a victim of this scam I will be willing to do whatever I can to nail this scum. I have filed a complaint with the FTC and contacted the Ohio police.

Please let me know what else I can do.

I still saved all email correspondence with Greg including the confirmation of my purchases.

class action suit sounds good to me.

I did a who is search (registered domaine name ) for Got matrix here is what it showed

Current Whois Data


REGISTRAR WHOIS:

Registrant:
Got Matrix LLC
2100 Linkside Dr.
#10
Cincinnati, Oh 45245
US

Domain name: GOTMATRIX.COM

Administrative Contact:
Day, Gregory greg@gotmatrix.com
2100 Linkside Dr.
#10
Cincinnati, Oh 45245
US
+1.5131111111 Fax:

Technical Contact:
Day, Gregory greg@gotmatrix.com
2100 Linkside Dr.
#10
Cincinnati, Oh 45245
US
+1.5131111111 Fax:

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 07-Jul-2004.
Record expires on 10-Feb-2005.
Record created on 10-Feb-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GOT-HOST.COM 67.18.249.68
NS2.GOT-HOST.COM 67.18.249.67

Domain status: REGISTRAR-HOLD
REGISTRAR-LOCK

REGISTRY WHOIS:

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many
different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed
information.


Domain Name: GOTMATRIX.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS1.GOT-HOST.COM
Name Server: NS2.GOT-HOST.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Status: REGISTRAR-HOLD
Updated Date: 18-nov-2004
Creation Date: 10-feb-2003
Expiration Date: 10-feb-2005

>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:03:24 EST <<<



it appears that the site is in the process of being shut down.

[mercinary]

Go here if you have been scammed by gotmatrix:

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1775

-Merc

[dwin75]

Yeah I am here, I was never really gone, always checked to see what was going on but never wrote anything. I was not scammed by the iMatrix but just seeing the kind of things that go on and seeing who these people are and how they operate makes me furious. Then there is all the die hard supporters that defend these people and it just makes me shake my head.

I was impressed to see SigX97 on here and read what he had said about not really being a matrix person anymore. It was wierd, it was almost like someone coming out of drug re-hab or something and seeing the light. It is a shame really, people get so caught up when their vision is clouded by dollar signs, but in the end it all collapses just as everyone on here said it would, and that is when these so-called honest people turn to running away. I hope that people like Greg and Ashu are brought to justice, and are made to pay their debts to those that they have wrongfully taken from. At that point, the "fight for justice", at least with those people will be complete. Keep up the good work Matrix Watch!

[samslack]

OK all,

I have contacted the Cincinnati Police they said that Greg Day is not in their jurisdiction they instructed me to call the Claremont sheriffs department. When I spoke with them they said they can not go to them directly.

They told me that you must call your local PD or Sheriffs dept to file a report of internet crime. This is key without everyone doing this they will not go after him neither will the BBB or FTC.

It only takes a few minutes of your time so jump on the band wagon and call your local authority. Don't be afraid. Your tax money is paying their salary.


We all must work together to get him

also I asked my credit card company if they could refund the charge they said "NO" not after this much time.

I have to hand it to Mr. Greg Day he had a cleaver plan and it worked.


ITS NOT TO LATE LETS GET THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell everyone that purchased something from gotmatrix to do the same

We can win this with everyones help.....

[mercinary]

I am adding this updated info to the "get justice link".

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1775

-Merc

[dwin75]

Did anyone happen to notice that Got-Host, Greg's "hosting business" is also now gone.

[TheWatcher]

I'll file a complaint with the FTC to help others and write a report on Ripoffreport.com..another good site similar to this site. That site also seems to have knowledge of the crooked ways and bribes taken from the BBB..

[MatrixWatch]

I'll file a complaint with the FTC to help others and write a report on Ripoffreport.com..another good site similar to this site. That site also seems to have knowledge of the crooked ways and bribes taken from the BBB..

I think that there is another complaint on "ROR" too. Perhaps there is a way to post updates on it??

[mercinary]

You cannot (and are encouraged NOT to) update a report on RoR. In big bold letters it says to file another report.

-Merc

[nicoleeubanks]

Just to let everyone know I have finally gotten some time to myself(of course I am having to lose precious sleep for it) to get some of my complaints made. I have filed a complaint with my and Ohio state Atty Generals Office, BBB, and IFCC. I still have to try and get some time during daylight hours for the local police and Clermont County. Anyway, I wanted to mention that on the BBB site when you put in gotmatrix.com for the business search they have you do in the first few steps they show this:
Gotmatrix.com
8 Arbor Circle # 822
Cincinnati, OH 45255
Does anyone know if this is correct at all? I am a little confused about the Linkside Dr address? Is this one a more current one someone found or what?
Just wondering. Forgive me if someone has already gone over this and I missed it...Anyway, I need to try and get to bed since I now have to be up in less than 5 hours... sigh...

P.S. Thanks for the help you guys are trying to give. I only hope this works at least to some extent. I was almost just going to just let this go, but I spent a heck of a lot of money to just throw away and not try for anything. I did say one time if Greg did indeed rip us off I would jump on Watchdog's bandwagon(so to speak) and so I guess I am attempting to uphold that now and of course hope to get some money back too if possible... Well, I can only hope to get some time to get more done on this... Goodnight for now...

[mercinary]

Nicole,

Since we started this "movement", we have received a number of leads from "tipsters". In any event, this has given us a lot of inside info on Greg Day's whereabouts. As I was heading up the victim's fight for justice, I made an executive decision not to share all of the infomation I had received, citing the fact that the info could lead to Greg Day's dissapearance. As I believe he very well may have already fled, I am releasing this updated contact information for Greg. Please see here:

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=15407#post15407

-Merc

[nicoleeubanks]

Amazing, I just realized something! I did not think I could access Paypal history past a year since that is what they offer in the little pull down box, but you can actually input any dates and get history further back than a year! Duh, here I am thinking I would not be able to see it. So fortunately I have all of my transaction references for ALL Paypal payments sent to purchase "spots" at Gotmatrix. Only bad thing is even after Paypal froze Greg's account I made purchases on at least 2 other occasions and I need to find records of those. My guesstimate was right according to Paypal I sent exactly $2000 total in different transactions from about 6/18/03-7/16/03. Sadly enough that does not include the several more purchases I made into the $50 list after Greg put autocycle on that list. I don't know exactly what was spent past Paypal but I am hoping to find some record in bank or credit card accounts since those were made thru Gotmatrix's direct payment proccessor on the site at that point. So my amount lost is $2000+ and counting so far(Oh and just in case anyone is wondering I never cycled)! Boy, I really feel like an idiot now... Anyway, just wanted to note this in case someone else may have been as clueless as me and not realized that they can access Paypal history as far back as they paid to Gotmatrix... at least in my case I could... Bye for now... Nicole