Gotmatrix is gone

[concerned]

What happened to the Gotmatrix site? I tried to read their forums from the library today, and I can't see the site. Got-host is still running, so Greg must have purposely removed the site, or something happened to the domain. I know there were people over there asking about MW because it was down the last few days, and now that site is down. Maybe now there will be another manhunt again. We'll have to wait and see.

[Dreamer]

Here is my guess...anybody want to try one?

Database error corrupted the forums (bye bye forums ala imatrix) and corupted the site. The owner will know about it in a few weeks and post it on the webpage.

[ycchen]

Dreamer, the correct domain name for Ashu's ghost town is: theimatrix.com :D

I don't think Greg would go so low as to copy his follower (Ashu)'s tactic. Remember, he is the earliest copycat of ezexpo that make it big. So, I bet he would do something "innovative" :D

My guess is -----> the site will be gone forever.

[concerned]

Except as far as I can tell, the whole site is missing. Here is my guess. The MATRIX VIRUS infected their server. This is the one that counts how many times people DON'T get paid. After 500 people don't get paid, the site gets deleted. Either that, or the mean MATRIX HACKING group is at work again. Since hackers are seen as very prestigeous for hacking the extremely secure matrix sites, they are having the most elite hackers working on matrix sites. The more matrix sites you can hack, the more prestigeous you are. I think if you hack into a matrix site fortress like Gotmatrix, you are better than someone that can hack into the US Treasury or something like that. After all, with a legitimate site like Gotmatrix, they must have more security than a Las Vegas Casino.

[MatrixWatch]

lol. That is rich. :)

In the meantime, the GotMatrix customers are welcome to come here and discuss their options.

[Dreamer]

Yeah, i know the exact address...but I never listed it here because frankly I dont' want people to go there. I'm sure he's still accepting sales, so I dont' want people to try to revitalize it.

You don't think he'll follow Ashu. I have another idea. Hitmen! We all know greg loves coming here to see what his next excuse should be, and hitmen come up frequently discussing the legalities of matrix sites. So, here is his next excuse:

A hitman was paid to do off with Greg, since he owes that guy $45k. Greg made a deal with him so that his site could stay open for a little bit longer to pay off this guy. Under the circumstances that he shut down his site for 3 days to transfer all the payment options to this hitman...oh well...greg could figure out the rest of the lie. I have faith in his conning abilities.

[sigx97]

Gotmatrix is working fine for me, I can see the forums and the ranks

[Dreamer]

No offense, Sig, but you were the only one who was able to see the forums last debacle when we started to assume you were greg.

Still not working for me, but that might just mean the pathway from our computers to gm has a problem where maybe your taking a quicker route.

Either way, it will be back in 3 days than everybody from M-S will laugh at us.

[jokach]

My guess is -----> the site will be gone forever.


I have the same guess, its gone forever. Think about the last time that Greg pulled this, there were still pro-matrix websites out there that allowed people to get together and start a manhunt. Well, there is maybe one left now (mmg.com), and it seems that nobody over there cares about gotmatrix.

This is all part of his exit strategy.

[Dreamer]

I'd like to think your right, but sigx can access the site, so I don't think its officially dead just yet unfortunately

[sigx97]

Dreamer, believe me it was long before you came along users here assumed I was greg and many other people. But I believe that was cleared up long ago.
Anyway I cant see the site now, nothing I had bookmarked works. Wasnt at one time there a link something like http://www.got-host.com/~gotmatrix.com that worked??? I should have bookmarked that.

[jokach]

If you look at the whois registration, you'll see the domain name as locked and on hold as of 11-18-04 (yesterday). Due to that, it doesn't resolve in DNS anymore because its not active ... however, if you do some tinkering using the host provider it gives, you can see that the address still resolves from the got-host.com nameservers only, like this:


Default Server: #################
Address: ############

> server ns1.got-host.com
Default Server: ns1.got-host.com
Address: 67.18.249.68

> gotmatrix.com
Server: ns1.got-host.com
Address: 67.18.249.68

Name: gotmatrix.com
Address: 67.18.249.66

>


Now if you take the 67.18.249.66 IP and put it in your browser, it tells that there is no website configured at this location.

Maybe somebody has some old links or bookmarks to indicate where the site might actually be located behind the scenes as sigx noted .... that might be the only hope to see it again!

[sigx97]

"you'll see the domain name as locked and on hold as of 11-18-04 "

What does that mean?

[MatrixWatch]

I have been unable to view the GotMatrix site all day.

Just FYI.. Greg Day is still a registered member here at Matrix Watch. If he wanted to make an announcement about this situation or speak to his customers then he could easily post here. I doubt that he will, but at least he doesn't have an excuse for avoiding his clientelle.

Internet scammers base their empire on an assumption that no one will step up and do anything to stop them. As assumption that usually pays off for them.

I find it interesting that the customers of other, less popular sites such as EmatrixUSA, eBanana, Variety Matrix, etc. actually stepped forward and filed complaints, lawsuits, and chargebacks. So far, the GotMatrix customers have done nothing like this. The results? Their owner, Greg, feels a new freedom to move forward with his plans to take off with their money and shut the site down.

The old saying goes, "Give a bully enough rope...YOU hang first". If Greg Day has got as far as he has it is because the customers have ALLOWED him to. MatrixWatch.org has actively monitors GotMatrix from the beginning, and it is not like the customers had no resource to gain guidance.

Greg and his trained moderators would constantly attack and bad-mouth what we are doing here. It was all an effort to keep the customers away from the truth, and to make it seem that they would be demonized for getting involved with us. Sadly, his cult tactics may have paid off for him. And with nearly $400,000 dollars in profits, it paid off quite well.

I hope that the customers can get it together soon. Every hour that passes makes it even more impossible.

[mercinary]

If he does run, a letter to the IRS might be in order. $400,000 is a lot of money to run off with (and probably not pay taxes on).

-Merc

[sisco50]

I remember posting something to that effect a few days ago at GotMatrix forum.

I kind of reminded people that whining all day on the boards will not get their situation resolved. Only action gets things done. Guess what? Did not see a response to that posting.

[mikv]

An account being "locked and on hold" is usually due to some sort of violation of the web hosts terms of use. Has it been established without a doubt that Greg IS the owner of Got-Host? Perhaps if he isn't, maybe someone then reported him to Got-Host and they suspended his account until a review of his business has taken place? The only other time I've seen anything like that is if the he didn't pay his monthly fee for the site and they suspended his account, although it would have a page that says "this account has been suspended" when you try to get on the site.

[sigx97]

I can see the site again

[sigx97]

. Has it been established without a doubt that Greg IS the owner of Got-Host?

Yes he is the owner

[MatrixWatch]

I can see the site again

I been checking repeatedly, and I have not once been able to see the site. Even under multiple browsers the site is dead.

Perhaps it is a cached view that your are seeing?

[sigx97]

Cleared everything and tried it again, I can see all parts of the site
http://img35.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img35&image=gm2.jpg

[concerned]

Cleared everything and tried it again, I can see all parts of the site
http://img35.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img35&image=gm2.jpg

Didn't this happen the last time the site went down? I could have sworn that the last time the site went down, Sigx was able to view it for at least another day, and then he finally lost connection to it. If I remember correctly, this conversation took place at Matrix-sites so I cannot find the dialog.

About the domain LOCK, this is what you can find on the whois information.


Domain status: REGISTRAR-HOLD
REGISTRAR-LOCK


As for the hold, I believe that you can go to a domain registration company and ask them to hold any url for you for a price. So, if I want matrixwatch.org, then I can ask for my name to be on a waiting list to be the next person to have it, once the current owner stops renewing it. Since, that is established, I am assuming that when it says RESISTRAR-LOCK, it means that for some reason the domain is locked, not the location of the site.

My guess, is that is takes time to get that information to all DNS servers around the world. My guess is that Watchdog,myself and others are farther west than Sigx is, and maybe the DNS servers there have not recieved this information. I predict that by this time tomorrow, even Sigx will not be able to access the site.

[sigx97]

Yes this is almost what happened last time. Except earlier today I couldnt get to the site, but now I can. That was not the case last time, I never lost access to the site except right before when it came back up. Also I notice that there are guests on these boards, I thought it was required to sign up in order to view the boards?

[MatrixWatch]

No, that has never been the case. Guests need to register to view the eBay, Auction Watchdogs forum, but all other forums are freely accessible to guests.

[sigx97]

No, that has never been the case. Guests need to register to view the eBay, Auction Watchdogs forum, but all other forums are freely accessible to guests.

Just a suggestion, but it may bring light to who some of the lurkers are if you made the site specific forum registration required.

[MatrixWatch]

hmmm... Merc? Concerned? Jok? Other members? What does the board think of this?

[concerned]

Just a suggestion, but it may bring light to who some of the lurkers are if you made the site specific forum registration required.

That eliminates the purpose of this site. This site was launched so that people could read about what matrix sites really are all about without the owners deleting the truth from their own forums. This site was stated for all of the public to view. We don't want to exclude anyone from being able to view this site. If someone is scared to admit to getting scammed, or is affraid to give us an email address, then we shouldn't force them to register. They have every right to view this information as the rest of us have. We don't want to alienate anyone. If they want to lurk, then let them. It doesn't harm anyone. If they wish to post, then they ARE required to register.

[MatrixWatch]

If they wish to post, then they ARE required to register.

That is the key point. The main importance of membership at a large forum such as ours is to manage dialogue. If we had guest registrations then it would out of control with forum spammers and rule breaking.

Now, membership is a good option for information as well, espcially with our newsletter coming out soon. Non-members and non-subscribers cannot take advantage of the newsletter unless they join or subscribe. However, there is a non-membership subscription box available on the home page.

Sigx, just out of curiosity.. Why were you wondering about who the lurkers were?

[weirdid]

I join this forum at many differant times of the day, and there is always a good number of guests viewing.

When i am on ebay, i use every chance i get to point people to this site.

people do come here for information on matrix scams.

i feel sure this forum is doing a good job of informing joe public.


weird

[Dreamer]

Also, its hard to say who is really a guest. I know my firefox won't store my password here, so most of the time I am just reading the posts and only log in when I want to waste time by posting usless information like this post.

[jokach]

Sigx
since you can view and access the gotmatrix site (and my DNS won't resolve it unless I point at ns1.got-host.com). can you do an nslookup on gotmatrix.com and post what URL you can get to? It might just be a DNS issue, and the address I got from ns1.got-host.com gave me an address with no site configured at it. Maybe if you can get us the IP, we can all access it then .........

just a thought ...

[sigx97]

Sure just tell me how to do that

[jokach]

just goto your start menu, select Run and when asked what to run, type command. you'll get an ugly black box with the C:> prompt. type nslookup. When you're at the > prompt, just type www.gotmatrix.com, it should spit out an IP address. When done, just type exit, then exit again and the ugly black box will disappear.

[sigx97]

OK this came up:

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: gotmatrix.com
Assress:67.18.249.66
Aliases: www.gotmatrix.com

[mercinary]

gotmatrix isn't available to me either.

Pointing my browswer at the IP gives:

There is no website configured at this address.

-Merc

[sigx97]

When I surf to that ip I get nothing, if i type gotmatrix.com i can get to everything and even post. I also pinged the ip and this is what I got:
http://img52.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img52&image=ping1.jpg

[jokach]

pinging doesn't matter because the ip address does exist on the got-host.com network. Even if you put it in a browser, you get a response and a web page, its just not Got Matrix.

Weird .......

[sigx97]

OK I cannot see the site anymore as of now

[MatrixWatch]

So it seems that 100% of the people here cannot see the site, and it is indeed down. Greg has made no announcements and it is safe to assume that he has closed the site down.

If the site is down, then no new customers (*cough* VICTIMS) can be brought in, and that means that no one will be cycling.

What do the GotMatrix customers plan to do with this information?

[weirdid]

I get;
non existant domain

Lets face it, the site has gone.

[sigx97]

I would expect since Gotmatrix is a LLC that he will file bankruptcy.

[ycchen]

I don't think so. It is not worth to file bankruptcy because we are NOT talking about few millions dollar of liabilities. The range is probably around $200,000 or smaller if you deduct his profit.

Beside, why do you think he needs to file bankruptcy at all? He can just sit back and relax if no body sue him, isn't it?

[MatrixWatch]

Filing bankrupcy will not help. He is still a person and a corporate veil can still be pierced.

Incorporation is not some sort of shield from prosecution for wrongdoing.

[sigx97]

The range is probably around $200,000 or smaller if you deduct his profit.

Beside, why do you think he needs to file bankruptcy at all? He can just sit back and relax if no body sue him, isn't it?

I think that is a low ball number, my guess is over $300,000, but I'm just guessing.

I just find it hard to believe that as pissed as some customers are that nobody will file a lawsuit, but if I knew the future I would be sitting here typing. :)

[Dreamer]

Last tiime I ran the numbers before sig deleted my post was a total sales of $500,000+ in sales. After the payouts he "made" like $250,000.

Filing BK will help him, however, if it it shown that he was running an illegiial business, BK won't help him. I'd guess that he would be liable for the total of the $500k+ scammed out of people. But than he can file for personal BK and he'd still probably be protected.

Brian claims to have lost $45,000 and claimed to be a law assistant or something silly. So, if anybody has a chance, maybe he'll do something. Everybody seemed to rely on big sis to do something, but since she got her pay out she could care less. She is too busy threatening people in egypt or somewhere else.

I hope somebody proves me wrong, but it looks like everybody wants somebody else to do something and just sit back and collect their refunds.

[ycchen]

May be most gotmatrix custmers are actually under 18?

[MatrixWatch]

Sigx,

Perhaps you could file the lawsuit! :)

Keep us posted if you hear anything.

[sisco50]

I would think that the remaining posters at the forum before GotMatrix disappeared again, were indeed mainly juveniles. Of the few adults there, most had no money tied up there and were just around to pass the time reading and posting.

[glyphrunner]

I had several hundred dollars involved there, and I am exceptionally pissed at this. That he would dare keep running a webhosting company in open view of all his gotmatrix customers is pure arrogance.

Someone inform me of how to file a legal action against this Greg and I think I would be most willing to file a class-action suit.

:mad:

[MatrixWatch]

I started this post (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1463) awhile back. Hopefully the information there will help. We also have some info listed within the links of the Main-Menu box.

[samslack]

I think something is wrong with your pc . you must be viewing it from a dns cacsh or something cause I have not been able to view it for days now.

I smell an attempt to run with the money!!!!!!!!!!!

We all need to work togather to get this F@cker ........I have reported this to the police in Ohio and filed multiple complaints.

[mercinary]

I hate to SPAM, but I want to get this message across, and I don't want anyone to miss it. The customers of Gotmatrix are coming together to nail Gotmatrix!

If you are a customer, get justice!

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=15407#post15407

-Merc