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ycchen
November 19th, 2004, 10:04 PM
When will this doubler crash? Long-term pyramid/ponzi scheme? Wow... I am very impressed :rolleyes:

How can this doubler pass the initial "threshold of doubt" and now on its way to become one of the "successful" pyramid/ponzi scheme? I like to hear your opinions.

Here are my prelimary observations on the "temporary success" of wa360group.com

1. The effort the scam owner to insist on doubling the invested money on time. (remember Greg from gotmatrix -- pay on time? )

2. The early birds comes back to promote and support the program at all cost. (Sounds familiar to gotmatrix supporter?)

3. The effort of the promoter AFSx, putting it under "long term investment" category in his pro-doubler forum. (Remember gotmatrix as a darling of top-matrix.com and later matrix-sites.net? )

4. The high ratio of reinvestment (100% for some) (This is something different from gotmatrix)

I personally think that the last point on "reinvestment" is most crucial in keeping the wa360's bubble growing. I have yet to see anyone claiming that they have made a net profit of more than $2000 from it because:

(a) most of the profit money are "reinvested."

(b) those who really make thousands of net profit will not be that DUMB to announce large sum of net profit on the public forum. They will just quietly pocket the money while continue to pretend to "reinvest."

If all their money are still stuck in the doubler through "reinvestment", then the pyramid structure will continue to grow secretly without much notice.

It only takes a "panic withdraw" to reveal the structure of this pyramid-doubler scheme, and so far, MOST investors refused to face this reality, but not all :D

While most "long term" investors are day-dreaming about the "long term" future of this pyramid-doubler scheme, a few hardcore speculators are quitely withdrawing their money, while pretending to reinvest into the bubble.

The pool of money will eventually dried out by these quiet lurkers. And when these day-dreamers wake up a month later and start to withdraw their forever reinvested money. That's the end of this pyramid scheme.

Doubler is very vulnerable to "mass withdraw", a major weakness that matrix-sites are immune too. And "long term" is a KEY concept to sustain this illusion. I would give a big credit to AFSx, the owner of the moneymakergroup.com for his effort in categorize wa350group in the long-term category. Good job AFSx!

That's the secret of the success of the pyrmid-doubler scheme.

Just my 2 cents.

ycchen
November 19th, 2004, 10:13 PM
Is WA360group a scam or a long-term investment plan? I don't think the pro and anti people will reach any concensus.

Instead of labeling it as SCAM or orpportunity, I like to get your opinion on how it actually works! How can WA360group sustains? What is the "secret" receipe that make it different from other pyramid-doubler scheme?

ycchen
November 19th, 2004, 11:42 PM
Check the doubler list below, and see how many "long-term" can you find in their description. :)

http://www.myownonlinebusiness.com/mydoublers/pageof/mistral/index.shtml

Do you see EMPOWERISM? It is listed as DOUBLER scam!? I thought it is a MATRIX scam?! :?

jokach
November 20th, 2004, 08:22 AM
I think the confidence scores are the best, how are these scores calculated???? Just because YMMSS has been around for 3 years doesn't mean its the best out there, they just haven't closed yet. Just another way to provide credentials to an ultimately flawed operation....

ycchen
January 18th, 2005, 09:37 AM
25 days after my first post, WA360, a "long-term scheme" endorsed by AFSx (who might have made a fortune out of all the program he promotes) was CLOSED, as any doubler scam would eventually. AFSx (Jason, the owner of moneymakergroup.com) upgraded WA360 from a mere doubler to "long-term scheme", and now the long-term scheme collapsed! What a joke! :mad:

On December 13, 2004. The scammer (owner of WA360) left this message. To all the members. We are closed.I have made all the returns, that i was able to. As far as all these lies and rumors about Intgold.That they help me ripp of any members? Those are Lies! Intgold did NOT do wrong. About are sign up page? Bottom -RED letters do not risk more than you can afford to lose. I think for the most part we have more happy members than sad...We tried to teach you to keep 25% of the money that you made and some of you did that. Work with your profit. Then some off the members just kept on spending. Well that was not are teaching. This got so I was understaff and tried my best. I thank you for understanding..Anthony Jordan

Woo... did you see how Tony lectured his customers? "They don't lisen, the keep donating their money, so that's their own fault to lose money!!" Woo.... what an attitude. :bow:

Here is a story about how a customer get scammed by the owner directly. And it was such a shame that so many early birds who benefited from the scam continue to defense the scammer! :mad: It's funny how AFSx could get away from promoting the scam in the first place.
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=3198&st=3600

Tony was my sponsor in this program. I don't know how that happened. I signed up with wa360group when it opened, but having been burned in other doublers I chose not to spend in this one. Then after about a month -- I received their birthday message "we are one month old" and going strong. I decided to try it. I made my first $100 spend and 7 days later it had doubled. Then out of the blue -- Tony Jordan called me and told me he was my sponsor and the owner of the program. He asked me how I had been sponsored by him and I told him I did not know. We talked for about 30 minutes and Tony reiterated to me that if something happened to the program, everyone would be paid back their initial spends. He called me again about a week later -- just to talk. Feeling more confident in the program now I brought my daughters into the program. I also sent my 79-year old mother $100 to intgold. She doubled one time and then after listening to the conference call decided on her 80th birthday (Dec 5) to try it one time for herself and spent $1,500 into the program. She has lost EVERYTHING. I am sick about this and feel to blame for my Mom's loss. I have sent emails to Tony -- no answer and have tried numerous times to call him -- no answer. My self, I lost about $3500 -- because after being cautious for weeks, I decided to spend the $500 a day starting Dec. 1. I feel to blame for my Mom's loss because if I had not felt so confident in the program she would not have risked all that money. She said, "It's my 80th birthday how can this not be a lucky thing? "?

ycchen
January 18th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Also, AFSx also closed the dicussion on possible cause of the death of the WA360! The real cause is better kept in the blackbox so the his pro-scam forum could continue, and Jason could continue to promote any scams that he has close connection! LOL.. http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=3198&st=3615
And with that, this topic is now closed.