Is www.crimsonphones.com a scam?

[burkey38]

Can anyone tell me if a matrix site is still updating their site(i.e adding people onto the lists)Does this mean that it is still up and running?The website i am talking about is www.crimsonphones.com it is marked with red Xs but it is still getting updated.Thank you.

[mercinary]

crimsonphones is not connecting via my browser (it sort of jsut sits there forever).

Is it working on anyone's browser?

-Merc

[MatrixWatch]

I can access the site. Here is the description of their program. Looks like a classic matrix scam.

How does CrimsonPhones.com work?

Crimson Phones uses a matrix system to provide our users with mobile phones at massively reduced rates. Each mobile phone sent out is funded from new users signing up and purchasing our Gen 2 signal booster. Once a certain amount of new users sign up (normally 15-25) the person at the top of the list receives their mobile phone. By purchasing our Gen 2 signal booster each user receives a free place on their desired handset's list. Once the user reaches the top of their list, they will be sent their chosen handset.

[ycchen]

Classic boring copy-cat pyramid-matrix scam!

[jokach]

The worst part with the matrixes that sell those cheap signal boosters, is that the signal boosters don't even work that well. Just like the e-book that gets sold on other sites, the product you are 'buying' is worthless.....

jokach

[burkey38]

www.crimsonphones.com is still working,i do not think it is a scam either.They update the site whenever there are new customers.Although the site has not been updated in a week or so,my suggestion would be is that they have not recieved any customers.Lets just hope they do what they promised.I am the first on the list too!!

[concerned]

www.crimsonphones.com is still working,i do not think it is a scam either.

So, you don't think pyramid schemes are scams? Then what would you consider them?

[jokach]

Based on their FAQ, they are a straight line matrix that allows you to better your chances of getting your 'prize' by providing referrals. Its still a pyramid scheme in the end, fortunately if you are first on a list, you might get your prize, depends on the site owner. How long have you been on the list waiting?

[burkey38]

Yes i know the site won't go on for very long.I have been on the list for about 2 months now,i think there is just not enough advertisement for the site.They really are not getting many customers because there are so many sites around at the moment.Lets just hope i get my phone.the last update was the 2nd of november.hopefully there will be another one soon.Is there any place that is good for advertising websites like these?

[mercinary]

burkey38,

You may want to take a peek around matrixwatch.org....

No one here is going to tell you where to promote this scam. Our member base is 99.9% anti-matrix.

-Merc

[concerned]

Is there any place that is good for advertising websites like these?

Try posting fliers at the local FBI office and police station. That should be a good start. :D

[ycchen]

Yes i know the site won't go on for very long.I have been on the list for about 2 months now,i think there is just not enough advertisement for the site.They really are not getting many customersbecause there are so many sites around at the moment.Lets just hope i get my phone.the last update was the 2nd of november.hopefully there will be another one soon.Is there any place that is good for advertising websites like these? You are not looking for "customers" but donor. Who want to be a donor? My advice to you is try to get your money back and stop promoting the scam. :)

[weirdid]

This one has closed;

www.phonesforless.cjb.net

The same owner has another site thats not been updated, and has the same number of members as of 8th june.


weird

[burkey38]

That website is not even working,and how do you know it is the same owner?

[weirdid]

The reason its not working burkey38 is very simple,,,,,,,,its closed, as it says in the first line of that post.

[burkey38]

I apologise i didnt read that part.

Can anyone please tell me why the website owner is still updating www.crimsonphones.com the last update was only today but the last person joined was 16th november.Is it closed or what???

[weirdid]

Burkey38

They are still open, but they are not getting many customers, this means you are going to have a long wait.

weird

[burkey38]

Yea i know ill have to wait longer.But i dont mind as long as i recieve the phone.I need another 5 people to sign up for the phone then i will recieve it.The motorola v220 razr has a full list .The phone on the website says it has not been released yet,has it?

[concerned]

Yea i know ill have to wait longer.But i dont mind as long as i recieve the phone.I need another 5 people to sign up for the phone then i will recieve it.The motorola v220 razr has a full list .The phone on the website says it has not been released yet,has it?

Um, the v220 has nobody on the list. What are you talking about? What do you mean by full list? Does a full list mean zero people signed up? I don't know where you are getting your information from, but let me ask you this. When you get 5 more people to sign up, are you going to thank them all, especially number 23, since that person will need 529 people for him/her to get the phone?

[burkey38]

Im sorry ,my mistake again.If you click on the 'Coming Soon' button at the very bottom of the page where it says--- Home | H.O.P. | Handsets | Coming Soon | Buy Now | Request | F.A.Q. | T & C | Contact click on the motorola razr v3 .It has a full list.I know they may need alot of people to sign up for them to recieve their phone but that is why i am one of the first on the list i used my head.Im not been bad but obviously the other people did not and are not using their head when they sign up in the first place.It aint my fault.All i want is my phone and its happy days.

[ycchen]

Is your name "Brian Butt" on the list? Number 5 on the list. If so, you need 35 x 5= 175 people behind you to get your cellphone.

See, "one of the first", and "the first" are two different concept in matrix scam. In case you still do not understand what we are trying to tell you, crimsonphones IS A PYRAMID SCHEME. crimsonphones is a SCAM.

If you are THE FIRST one, you should have received your cellphone by now. But if you are "one of the first", then it is different story.

Let say you are number 2, then you need 2 x 35 = 75 people behind you to get your gift.

If you are number 3, then you need 3 x 35 = 105 people donate behind you, so you can get your cellphone.

For the cellphone matrix scam in the U.K., if you are NOT THE FIRST ONE, that means you are a donor. Got my point? Now, do you understand why we ask you to stop promoting this scam and ask for refund?

I am glad that you "use your head" to donate to the site to help cycle the FIRST customer. I am sure after you post this message, newbies who read your message on this forum will also "use their head" by refusing to "sponsor" you.

READ: the list is dead. So, you can say goodbye to your cellphone, buddy.

Again, crimsonphones.com is a scam and you won't get your cellphone. sorry.

ADD: full list here:
http://www.crimsonphones.com/razrv3.html

Mod, I suggested that we split the crimsonphones discussion into a new thread.

[Dreamer]

you know whats going to happen? After you spam as many forums as you can to get more people to give you money, you'll cycle and you won't receive anything.

Why do you think other people should buy you stuff?

[ycchen]

burkey38, it is very weird that the motorola Razr V3 list seems to be the only list that has 35 helpers. The rest is either empty or only 1-3 helpers.

burkey38, did you get most of the 35 helpers into the Motorola Razr V3 list? If so, you have done a good service to the owner, not yourself, unfortunately.

Spam harder because you need 140 people to donate to the list so that you "might" get your cellphonoe in another 5 years.

[burkey38]

If you listen to what i am saying.For the NOKIA 7610 i am the FIRST on the list.My name is Paul Burke.There are 18 people on the list at present,the list size is 23 so therefore i need another 5 people to sign up for the phone.If the site was a scam they would not keep updating it .I am NOT "one of the first on the list" i am FIRST on the list so therefore i should get my phone once 5 more people sing up for the nokia 7610.

[burkey38]

burkey38, it is very weird that the motorola Razr V3 list seems to be the only list that has 35 helpers. The rest is either empty or only 1-3 helpers.

burkey38, did you get most of the 35 helpers into the Motorola Razr V3 list? If so, you have done a good service to the owner, not yourself, unfortunately.

Spam harder because you need 140 people to donate to the list so that you "might" get your cellphonoe in another 5 years.

I do not not know where you are coming from Ycchen saying i need 140 people to sign up before i recieve the phone i need 5 more people.

[burkey38]

And may i please add that the motorola razr v3 phone was just an example i was talking about.I did not sign up for that phone i signed up for the nokia 7610.

[MatrixWatch]

Burkey and the others,
I split this thread off from the "closed sites" discussion so that it didn't get brought off track. Hopefully other customers of the crimsonphones site will be Googled here to offer any insights that they have on the site closure.

[ycchen]

If you listen to what i am saying.For the NOKIA 7610 i am the FIRST on the list.My name is Paul Burke.There are 18 people on the list at present,the list size is 23 so therefore i need another 5 people to sign up for the phone.If the site was a scam they would not keep updating it .I am NOT "one of the first on the list" i am FIRST on the list so therefore i should get my phone once 5 more people sing up for the nokia 7610.

Okay, I see what you are talking about. Yes, your name is in number 1 of the Nokia 7610 list.

http://www.crimsonphones.com/7610.html

Even though you are not on Motorola list, it is a good example of how UNETHICAL this pyramid scam is.

I hope no body will donate their money to this scam site any more because if you enter now, you are just a donor to the onwer and the first early bird like Mr. Paul Burke. You have absolutely NOTHING to gain in participating in the NOKIA or other lists.

FYI, the last person who sponsor Paul Burkey to get his cellphone will have to wait 23 x 23 = 529 people to signup before s/he can get the cellphone.

Lastly, crimsonphones is a typical pyramid-matrix example to show how the early bird and owner's interest are tied together in order to scam more newbies. That's the moral dilemma of any pyramid schemes, unfortunately. :(

[burkey38]

Looking good only 3 more people to sign up now. :)

[mercinary]

I hope you are happy when you finally get your phone, leaving everyone who signed up after you to lose their money....

-Merc

[burkey38]

Im sorry for them its not my fault.It also says for the motorola razr v3 at www.crimsonphones.com/razrv3.html that Seth Taylor is waiting for the phone to be in stock.At least they are still updating.

[mercinary]

Typical cycler....in it for himself...screw everyone else.

-Merc

[burkey38]

If that is the way you feel.ok.But i think i feel a hint of jealousy. :rolleyes:

[mercinary]

Now that is laughable. You're talking to the guy who has spent countless hours every week for the last year trying to end the plague that is matrix scams. I fight day and and day out for thousands of consumers that are being ripped off every day. I never have been involved with, and never want to be involved with a matrix site. You can keep your phone. My conscience couldn't handle the fact that dozens of people (who probably don't have the money to spend) have paid for my phone and they will get nothing. Statistics show that the overwhelming number of people who jump into these types of scams are in lower income brackets and don't have the cash to buy the product from a retail dealer. Those are the people who are buying your phone for you. Enjoy!

-Merc

[burkey38]

Ok yes i understand and to tell you now i am one of those who cannot afford to buy the phone off a retailer .Ill tell you a story .A couple of months ago i read an ad on Ebay offering 25 nokia 7610s for 3000 dollars.I asked him could he sell me one for a small price.He agreed.the price was $200 US.I was not aware that Western Union Money Transfer was a bad way of sending money to different countries.In not knowing this i sent him €140 Euro ($US200) via Western Union.Have i got the phone or even heard of this person again??The answer to that would be no.I am now aware of these internet scams and the only reason i signed up for www.crimsonphones.com was because there was nobody on the list,if there were i would not even have thought about signing up.....

[weirdid]

burkey38

If you cycle, i hope you send eveyone under you a nice christmas card, and thank them for buying you a mobile.

[ycchen]

Looking good only 3 more people to sign up now. :)

Wrong wording. You are looking for 3 deceived newbies to donate to you and the owner.

I think you should personally send a thank you card to all the 35 misinformed donors who sponsor your cellphone because they will never get anything in return.

[burkey38]

Well i wasnt the one who told them to sign up.It was their choice.

[ycchen]

You did not get anyone to sponsor you? Not one person?

Sure, you are the ONLY person (+ owner) who benefit from the pyramid scam. Okay, I am sorry that you have been scammed by others, but you find it prefectly okay to participate in a scam to scam others?

Fine. Let us know when you receive your free phone sponsored by scammed money.

[burkey38]

I signed up because i wanted a phone for £20,not because i wanted to scam other people.To be honest with you i thought the site was genuine and not a scam until i visited this site.

[burkey38]

That is why the question of this thread is "Is www.crimsonphones.com a scam?" I wanted to find out.Now i know but Hopefully i recieve my phone.

[burkey38]

Hello,i just want everybody to know i have been skipped by another user for the nokia 7610.Now i have to wait for the list to be filled once again.The person beat me by one referral.
Ah well, not to worry.Ill just have to wait.
It is actually quite annoying!

[Dreamer]

Thats the nice thing about those referal bonus systems. Oh, somebody is about to cycle. Lets boost one of our fake names on the list so we can keep all the money

[ycchen]

burkey38, keep us posted when the next name jump queue again.

And remember to write a "thank you" card to all the 35 donors who sponsor your "free gift." Just remember: It is NOT a free gift, it is a gift PAID by 35 donors at the bottom of the pyramid.

[ycchen]

Well i wasnt the one who told them to sign up.It was their choice.

Hello,i just want everybody to know i have been skipped by another user for the nokia 7610.Now i have to wait for the list to be filled once again.The person beat me by one referral.
Ah well, not to worry.Ill just have to wait.
It is actually quite annoying!

burkey38, you did not ask anyone to join, and you have 4 referal credits? I don't know how you can pretend to be so innocent. :bow:

[Dreamer]

That is why the question of this thread is "Is www.crimsonphones.com a scam?" I wanted to find out.Now i know but Hopefully i recieve my phone.

I applaud you in your wanting to test something out. I did a whole thread just for those testing free gifts sites. The difference being, I didn't have to bring anybody into the scam to test the system. If you test a matrix site the only way to receive your item is to make sure more victims fall into the scam.

But, while my thread showed the day by day process I had testing out this system, testing out a matrix site WILL NOT yeild a positive or negative for scam. THEY ARE ALL SCAMS. If you happen to be one of the lucky few to get your product, that doesn't mean that they aren't a scam. It just means that the site owner wanted to get a few more praises for its system.

Can I say without a doubt that those survey sites are scams? I'd say 95% of them are. I will reserve 5% because I think those types of sites can actually work (freeipods worked). Can I say without a doubt that matrix sites are scams, even if somebody receives their product? I'd say 100% of them are, because they are not using the revenue they make from the lists to invest in anything to make money.

You want to know a sure fire way of doubling your money? Open up a store. Buy at wholesale costs and sell it at double your cost. Yes there are risks, but at least your actually investing the money you receive in a tangliable product to sell at a profit to actually double your money.

Now, if it was me, I would open up a more specialized shop where I can sell a product at 3 times cost, that way I would have the money to pay the cyclers while making a profit for me. But, I guess logical business sence escapes matrix owners, since they don't care about their customer base...they just care about stealing as much money as they can.

[burkey38]

burkey38, you did not ask anyone to join, and you have 4 referal credits? I don't know how you can pretend to be so innocent. :bow:

I have only recently got my referral id so i am admitting i did get 4 referrals but when i said i didnt ask them to sign up, i didnt.I only recently did.So i was telling the truth when you quoted me saying i didnt ask them to sign up.

[ycchen]

burkey38, even though I disagree with your tactic of recruiting donors to buy yourself a "sponsored cellphone", I appreciate your feedback to this forum. Thanks. :)

I guess, this list is basically DEAD = there won't be anyone "voluntarily" sign-up to this hopeless list. So, the only way for Burkey38 to get his "sponsored gift" is through "recruiting".

Here is my question to you, Burkey38. If you manage to recruit two more donors, will you get ahead of "Mark Veall" (current in first place with 5 referals) and get your reward instantly? OR you have to start from zero, and wait for 35 more people to signup? I am confused. :confused:

[weirdid]

On most sites its not possible to jump into the top spot, the best that you can do is get second place. You then have to wait for the line to fill again befor you cycle.


weird

[ycchen]

Unfortunately, in Burkey38's case, he was actually push down from the first place!

ADD: weird, I guess crimsonphones.com is breaking the rule of the game by replacing the "cycling" spot. If the first place (or cycling spot) is constantly replaced, then probably no one will get their "sponsored gift." :(

Burkey38, did you ask the owner about the problem of replacing the 'cycling' spot?

[burkey38]

Yes i did email the site owner and i have not got a reply.
Now i do have to wait for another 23 people to sign up before the list fills.
The worst thing is if i dont get any referrals and people under me do, i will get pushed way down the list and may never get my phone.
So im sorry but in order to 'Stay Up There' i need to make referrals. :mad:

[mercinary]

This twist on the matrix scheme is almost worse than the "original" version. In this case, the same percentage of people will always cycle (the scheme doesn't help more people cycle, just different people cycle). This scheme is worse because it really pushes the referral system. As Burkey38 stated:

So im sorry but in order to 'Stay Up There' i need to make referrals

and it is true! Unless people refer other people, they are not going to cycle!!! Truely a disgusting sight to behold....

-Merc

[ycchen]

burkey38, I think it is time you face the reality. You will not get your phone on this site. The owner has no intention on giving out any SPONSORED cellphones, cause the minue you are close to getting your phone, someone (including fake names) will be ahead of you again.

Unless you can get all 35 referrals, then the owner will have NO EXCURSE of NOT giving you your SPONSORED cellphone. Then, what is the point of "cycling", isn't it? It becomes a pure referal pyramid scam!

Again, it is the 'duty' of this forum to ask you NOT to mislead newbies to this pyramid scam because they are pure donors.

However, it is a free world and you can do whatever you like, just keep us posted if you may. Take care.

[mercinary]

Crimsonphones is now dead it would appear.

-Merc

[ycchen]

What is happening, Burkey38? Is the site gone?

"404 Page Cannot Be Found"!

[burkey38]

What is happening, Burkey38? Is the site gone?

"404 Page Cannot Be Found"!
Why are you being like that ycchen??You know yourself it is gone so why ask me?
My tough luck.
Ill know next time.
Ycchen is just being immature .

[mercinary]

I just think Ycchen was seeing if you had any inside information. You are the only customer of crimsonphones that was active on these forums (I think).

-Merc

[ycchen]

immature?! I just thought you might have some insight to share since you are an active customer, as Merc suggested above.

For example, Gotmatrix was gone for a few days, and no one knows what happen, so we welcome anyone especially customers to share their insight. That's all.

[burkey38]

Yea well it looked to me as if you were being smart about it.
It's over now so i was the one that lost out.
My stupidity.

[mercinary]

Burkey38,

Assuming you are done investing in matrix sites, it isn't too late to take action against crimsonphones. I'd suggest filing some complaints to the proper authorities. See our "File a Complaint" link.

-Merc

[ycchen]

Closure of any matrix scam means 90% (in the case of U.K. based matrix, the % is >95%) of customers lose their money. I don't think any genuine anti-matrix advocates would celebrate this type of irresponsible closure!

What we are urging repeatedly on this forum are the following:

For owners: Do the right thing -- close and REFUND.
For victims: Get refund and justice by filing complaints and/or lawsuit.