Major research

[magicmastermind]

Following my partial research in getgiftsforfree, I would like to compile a research 'project' (if you will) into how much the matrix scam is going on at the moment.
This means that if possible, I would like to assign certain people certain matrix sites for them to count up on total purchases in one day, then again in 24 hours. I want to do this for ALL matrix websites. I don't care how long it takes.
If you think you are interested, or if you think that this is a waste of time, please be honest.
I will be going through the closed-site master list to pick up the remainder of matrix sites still open. The more people we get to compile this research, the easier it will be and the research itself will be more accurate.
If you want to know how I wish to compile the research, I will do so, just post here. I have just woken up and I do wish to have my breakfast. I will reply later today.

[MatrixWatch]

Good idea. From a strategic perspective, it might be best to start with the largest and most popular sites. The results of your research would most likely 'draw a crowd' whom you will be able to recruit from in order to get other reports done.

I'd also recommend getting a simple approach together so that your volunteers can start with a model and diagnose a site with it. Perhaps a three-stage research plan or something similar. Once they start getting good at it then you can improvise it and do some follow-up research.

This is a great idea, so keep us posted on your project! :)

[magicmastermind]

Ok then.
STAGE 1
What I will do is get a list of the matrixwatch matrix sites from the closed list and search all of them for those still active. (So you get an update). Then I will use all those sites and list them in order. I won't post them on the boards (just in case someone gets the wrong idea I am advertising) so i'll send you a PM if that's ok. For those who are interested, you can leave a post here saying you wont mind taking time off somewhere in between 2 days to compile this research. Once we are ready, we can send you the matrix sites to watch. Thats stage 1.
STAGE 2
This takes two days. For every matrix site that you are looking at, youll need to manually count how many purchases there are. IN TOTAL. Some of the larger sites are easier to take care of (like getgiftsforfree, it tell you the amount to cycle (eg 40) and it shows those who have cycled (eg 5) so thats 5x40 = 200 plus then the remaining in the current cycle (that's my method).
At a certain time, lets say 8:00 P.M., you would note down all the purchases in the matrix site. Then, the next day at 8:00 P.M., calculate again the total number of purchases. Once you have all the results, PM me with them. Indicate the total purchases on the first day and the second day. That's all I need. That's stage 2.
STAGE 3
This may take a few days from me if I am busy elsewhere. I will compile not only a statistic calculation of all the matrix sites together, but all the matrix sites SEPERATELY. This way we can find out which sites are attracting more people, which need to be helped out first. So stage 3 is my job. Basically I will post a major research report for all to see. Plus I can find out how often a matrix scam purchase is made. I can find the average amount of time a person is scammed by a matrix site.
I think it will be in seconds.
Anyway, I hope this is what you meant by 3 stage research. But these are 3 easy steps that will only take a week or so to complete I hope.
PLUS, the more people we get to help, the better it will be for us. And if you do your job properly, we'll get the best and most accurate results. So I need people I can rely on to do this research with me. Interested?

[redmist]

i can supply details as to how many customers pulse2004 is receiving for you

[magicmastermind]

Hey red, thanks for posting.
Really I was just looking for people who are interested in joining the research. If you want to provide us with the info for pulse2004, that's fine but unless you compile them on the day that we agree to compile the research on, you may have to do it again. It would be out your own accord, like I have done a few times with getgiftsforfree.
It would be interesting if everyone did this, but if we could get all this done at the same time, we could get very accurate results on the matrix scam and individual popular sites. Plus this can be done once a month or so.
I just want to show people and find out the extent of matrix sites on people at this point of time. If we work really hard to bringing these sites down and their customers to justice then we can see the effect in this research project.
Anyone who is interested in volunteering for the project post below please!

[MatrixWatch]

Quick question... What is the goal of this research?

[mercinary]

magicmastermind,

What you will likely find is the same thing I have found for the last 13 months.....

99.9% of victims want to come to Matrixwatch, get the help they need, and that is about it. We have a tiny team of dedicated administrators and moderators, as well as a handful of really helpful and ambitious regular members who dedicate time to the Matrixwatch effort.

This isn't a knock on those customers who come to get help and leave, nor is this meant to discourage you in your efforts. I just wanted to give you a heads-up as far as the challenges we (the motivators) face in a consumer awareness community.

It sounds like you have the consumers in mind with this project, so I applaud that.

-Merc

[MatrixWatch]

Merc puts it well. This is really a thank-less field, but it can be very rewarding when we see people getting the help they need.

I remember back when we helped thousands of people get out of that EzExpo scam. EzExpo was the largest matrix site on the web at the time, and the press was having a field day with their collapse. Our lawsuit against Ginix, inc. opened the door to over $80,000 in refunds for matrix victims. Not one person thanked us or even donated to help us cover our expenses. Nor did they stick up for us when we were being personally attacked by all of the matrix supporters and scammers out there.

We held our ground though, and we knew that despite the lack of responses, we were (and still are) doing the right thing..

[sisco50]

magicmastermind

You are going to be bringing customers to justice and see the effect in this research project? I'm sorry but you totally lost me.

What is this research project to accomplish and how? What are the goals and the plans to attain them? Sounds like you are going to have a lot of people spending a lot of time doing something that has probably been done hundreds of times in the past. What do you expect to gain from this and how will you know if you have in the end?

Not wanting to sound negative but wanting to understand this undertaking. :)

[redmist]

Hey red, thanks for posting.
Really I was just looking for people who are interested in joining the research. If you want to provide us with the info for pulse2004, that's fine but unless you compile them on the day that we agree to compile the research on, you may have to do it again. It would be out your own accord, like I have done a few times with getgiftsforfree.

seeing as i own pulse2004, i can supply you with data that you need when you need it.
if i were you, i would not go about trying to bring down every single matrix site. i would go for the ones that take your money, i.e. they dont send you your signal booster/CD-rom etc. or add you to your free gift list (this is my view of a scam matrix site - i know that our views differ, so there is no need for you to demonstrate it).
maybe you should explain your goals a bit more clearly, because no-one seems to really understand how this is going to help!

[magicmastermind]

OK I will try to explain why I think this research will help us.
Designating a matrx site to people, they will be able to have a look around to see the matrix site (and not the 30 second snoop then leave because it is a scam.) The matrix site may have a forum and they can ask several questions to the owner. They can check how many people have made a purchase, and judging from the time the site opened, the extent of the popularity of the site is easy to notice.
These large sites who are pulling over 40 or so people a day are the sites which will get more complaints - EVENTUALLY. If we let this site pass us for a couple of months, then more people will be scammed without their intent and the more likely the site owner will end up trying to run (possibly like Greg.)
Also it will show people the real statistics of all the matrix websites, ie. the matrix scam in its entirety. This should bring them to terms that they aren't the only ones who have been scammed. They will come here hoping to file lawsuits against the matrix site owners when their site collapses.

I am not so sure if this will work, but I think its worth a try. If people know when they come to this site and read that (eg. 'someone is scammed by a matrix site every second of the day') then they won't put any more money into a matrix site (unless they know what they are doing.)
It's a bit of a longshot, but I still think it's worth a try.
Tell me what you think guys.

[magicmastermind]

Red I am on the verge of getting off your point of view of a matrix site. I thought they were good, then I thought they were bad (when I got here) then I realised that some aren't out there to scam people. But now I know that no matter what happens, unless a 'perfect' matrix system is solved in which the waiting time max is 1 year or similar, that they will scam people. There will be some donors in the matrix scam, regardless of the intent of the matrix site owner.
I must praise you for joining this site for discussion however.

[mercinary]

Magicmastermind,

I'm glad to hear that you are forulating your own opinions of the matrix scheme. That is what Matrixwatch is here for! :) One thing that is a little off...

There will be some donors in the matrix scam, regardless of the intent of the matrix site owner.

Even in the "best" matrix sites, ~90% of people are donors.

-Merc

[redmist]

i was just wondering how many of you guys are members of matrixchat.co.uk - i know merc is, but how many others?

[magicmastermind]

Even in the "best" matrix sites, ~90% of people are donors.



That is why I said there are donors in a matrix site at all times, no matter the number, It is usually over 90%.
I can change what I said to -
'In any working matrix, no matter if it is running slowly or greatly, there are always donors whose money is used to purchase gifts for the people above them.'