Customer Liability?

[StudentNurse]

Hello everyone. I am new to this site. First off I must say I really don't understand the concept of this website, I joined it to get a better understanding. I know what a matrix site is and how it works...I was very skeptical of the whole idea, which is why i have never invested money into one. What I don't understand is why everyone on here is crying and complaining that they have been "robbed" and "scammed"
of thousands of dollars. Here's the kicker..WHY WOULD YOU SEND THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THE MAIL TO SOMEONE YOU DIDN'T KNOW?!?!?! Now I have read some of the matrix sites and to my understanding you purchase e-books, ect. and then you get put in a listing for a "prize" which may be money, electronics, ect. BUt when it comes down to it, you have only purchased the e-books, therefore you got what you paid for. I think I'd be ashamed to contact the BBB or law and tell them how foolish I am. That is just my opinion...what will be will be.

[mercinary]

StudentNurse,

Thanks for joining our website! I've actually split this thread off from <a href="http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=16681#post16681">where you originally put it</a> since it was a little off the specific topic (and really warranted it's own thread).

Your question is a good one, and I can definitely see where you are coming from with it. The answer is actually pretty simple. In the world of potential matrix customers there are two types of people:

#1: Those who do significant research into an investment before getting involved
#2: Those who take an investment opportunity at face value, and assume it is legit.

Now you and I fall into category #1. We both checked out matrix sites and said to heck with it.

The matrix victim's that come to Matrixwatch for help most times fall into the second category. This isn't to say that they are any "worse" or any less intelligent than those people from category #1....in a perfect world, you should be able to trust that a company you invest with is a legitimate business practice.

But as we all know, there is a world full of people who want to scam other people out of their money. They do this by setting up deceptive business practices, and convincing people that they will "get rich quick" or (as in the case of a matrix scam) that they will get an awesome "free prize". With that being said, there has to be organizations to help those people who have been mislead and been victims of fraud.

This is why Matrixwatch exists and why we help customers to file complaints with government agencies. Someone has to look out for the millions of people who fall into category #2.....Matrixwatch plays a small role in that by reaching out to the thousands of matrix victims.

-Merc

[sisco50]

StudentNurse

You are probably going to be called Matrix Nuetral here, as I am. Not for the matrix sites but not against them either. Glad I am not the only one here with that attitude. I did go one step further than you did as I spent a few bucks to see if I could make it work one time. It didn't/won't work so I won't be spending anymore money on matrix sites but I still say that people that want to spend their money that way can and probably will. This site was set up to educate newbies so that they wouldn't get scammed out of their money. Not a bad cause actually. But who or what is a newbie? I can not picture some 50 year old person with money to burn, and a willingness to spend that money, as a newbie. Maybe a teenager is a newbie? Most teenagers I know have been on the net for a while and know more about scams than some adults do. An interesting topic when you throw in the others that shop the net and cry about being scammed when they make a mistake.

Welcome to the site. Looking forward to reading your posts.

[redmist]

and i am pro-matrix :) and agree with what you are saying. i get really annoyed when people come crying because they never received their free gift. most matrix sites clearly explain that you are buying an ebook and that you phone/cash prize is a free gift and you receive it when you cycle. but people dont read what they are buying in to. they simply pay the money and expect the phone to be with them within 48 hours.
its ridiculous.

[sisco50]

Yes indeed. Most people that buy in to a matrix do it on impulse because they want a goody for a cheap price. They don't read anything about what a matrix site is and how it works. Trying to save newbies from themselves is an almost impossibe task. Educating them does not mean they will listen. A lot of them still jump off the deep end and end up screaming for their money back in a few months time. I suppose this is all a part of human nature and I find it very interesting reading for the most part. :) Sad at times, but very interesting. :( :) :( :)

[StudentNurse]

Well I am glad that I have people who will agree with me on some of my earlier statements. I think it is crazy that people are calling the owners of matrix sites just to hear what their voice sounds like. Now there are only two types of people I know of that do such things:
#1 Pyschotic stalkers
#2 People with too much time and money(to be calling long distance)

If you ask me, I bet some of the matrix site owners can get those idiots on charges of phone harassment or possibly menacing/stalking..lol wouldn't that be an exciting chain of events to discuss on the forums. I wish there was some type of business that you could report ignorant customers to and file complaints against them! lol However..this is not a perfect world...

[sisco50]

No, not a perfect world at all. But it is what we have and we deal with it. I much prefer this to the alternative. lol

[sisco50]

"I have actually read on these forums that people have spent $2,000. They can't believe that they are at fault for the money being gone. Yeah they were robbed all right, by their own stupidity. "

I know of a couple of people that have spent thousands of dollars on matrix sites. Neither of them is ignorant of how these sites work. They actually know very well how these sites work. They are playing a totally different game than the newbies who know nothing of these things. Newbies can cry scam if they like but the experienced players can not. For the experienced players it is a game and certainly a gamble, but not a scam. They go into it knowing full well they could lose all or a part of their money. They are willing to take that chance. They are not being scammed when they lose. I believe most if not all of the experienced players have this same attitude.

BTW I think there is a lot of exaggeration among players regarding the amount of money they may have spent or reward they may have collected. :)

[ycchen]

There is no such thing as matrix-neutral! Either you are supporter or you are against it. Matrix-neutral are all supporters because they do not believe that matrix is a scam, only good owner and bad owner.

sisco50 or any self-claim matrix-neutral people, I am very confused by your "neutral position". Could you clarify yourself on the following question, please?

Is "straight-line matrix" a pyramid/ponzi scheme?

Note: A pyramid/ponzi scheme is defined as "use Peter money to pay Sam". In other words, the only source of money for the scheme comes from its members. Pyramid/ponzi schemes are SCAM because STRUCTRUALLY 90-98% of customers are designated donors, not investors.

[sisco50]

"There is no such thing as matrix-neutral! Either you are supporter or you are against it. Matrix-neutral are all supporters because they do not believe that matrix is a scam, only good owner and bad owner."

I believe this to be an erroneous statement. I can only speak on my own behave and I know that I do not support matrix sites. I also know that I am not against matrix sites. I realize that hardcore anti-matrix people will have a difficult time with this but that is the way of it. There are gray areas in all aspects of life including matrix sites. It is ridiculous to say that there is no such thing as matrix-neutral person when you can not possibly show cold hard facts to support it. It is simply your belief or opinion. Not a fact! :)

[MatrixWatch]

HNow I have read some of the matrix sites and to my understanding you purchase e-books, ect. and then you get put in a listing for a "prize" which may be money, electronics, ect. BUt when it comes down to it, you have only purchased the e-books, therefore you got what you paid for.

This is one of the reasons why we are on the net. I highly suggest that you check out the EzExpo lawsuit in our 'downloads' section. You can also read through the other loawsuits if you have a few additional minutes.

This "you bought your ebooks" line is completely groundless claim that the matrix sites base their legality on. We present a wealth of information here from all fronts showing quite clearly that the matrix sites cannot use this argument to prove that they are legal.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg. The matrix sites present themselves as a legitimate, established way of making a little extra money for those willing to put the time into it. However, upon further investigation we find that these matrix sites do not even last as long as it would take these customers to cycle, and since the matrix list was part of the "consideration" when the customer bought in, the matrix sites are liable for the losses they cause when they shut down.

Now, as to your other point about the necessity for a site like MatrixWatch.org. Matrix victims often try to recoup their losses by launching new matrix sites of their own, and this process becomes so continual that hundreds of these sites start popping up all over the place. Although government officials and media journalists warn the public about these scams, the community forums that could be used to inform others about these warnings are often operated by matrix owners, and as a result the truth never gets out.

We came on the scene and fought against the effort to keep the public uninformed. As a result our efforts have grown and have been recognized. Thousands of matrix victims have received their money back on account of our lawsuits, and many more people have received the information that they needed to get out of these scams.

The matrix sites are still around, but they are seriously crippled now and unable to reach as many people as they once did. Now we have the doublers, randomizers, etc. to contend with, but I have no doubt that the result will be the same.

[nicoleeubanks]

There is no such thing as matrix-neutral! Either you are supporter or you are against it. Matrix-neutral are all supporters because they do not believe that matrix is a scam, only good owner and bad owner.

sisco50 or any self-claim matrix-neutral people, I am very confused by your "neutral position". Could you clarify yourself on the following question, please?

Is "straight-line matrix" a pyramid/ponzi scheme?

Note: A pyramid/ponzi scheme is defined as "use Peter money to pay Sam". In other words, the only source of money for the scheme comes from its members. Pyramid/ponzi schemes are SCAM because STRUCTRUALLY 90-98% of customers are designated donors, not investors.

Just a note on the matrix-neutral issue(in my opinion). I am getting from Sisco what appears to be the case with me. I would not put any more money in a matrix site nor have I since I better understood the "reality" of the matrix, but I have not seen anything that makes me believe(yet) that they are illegal. That is the defining point between what Ycchen is seperating us by. I would not ever encourage anyone again to join a matrix and actually would be happy to try and deter them from this but NOT because I believe they are illegal. You need to understand this Ycchen because you are basically saying we have to believe that matrix sites are illegal or that we support them and that is farther from the truth than anything I have ever seen posted here.

[nicoleeubanks]

Hello everyone. I am new to this site. First off I must say I really don't understand the concept of this website, I joined it to get a better understanding. I know what a matrix site is and how it works...I was very skeptical of the whole idea, which is why i have never invested money into one. What I don't understand is why everyone on here is crying and complaining that they have been "robbed" and "scammed"
of thousands of dollars. Here's the kicker..WHY WOULD YOU SEND THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THE MAIL TO SOMEONE YOU DIDN'T KNOW?!?!?! Now I have read some of the matrix sites and to my understanding you purchase e-books, ect. and then you get put in a listing for a "prize" which may be money, electronics, ect. BUt when it comes down to it, you have only purchased the e-books, therefore you got what you paid for. I think I'd be ashamed to contact the BBB or law and tell them how foolish I am. That is just my opinion...what will be will be.
Funny thing is StudentNurse that most of the spots in the matrix lists that I have were purchased from the forum where other customers of Gotmatrix were selling their spots. This Greg had a forum for and allowed on his site. So tell me what I got for my money or what many others did? The Ebook argument is a little hard to try and use when Greg allowed many of us to get into his matrix by purchasing those spots or trade spots with others that they had decided they did not want. I did not consider that this was a bad idea since it allowed me to start a little closer to the cycling position than had I purchased the ebooks and began at the bottom so this is how I got most of mine. The comment about feeling ashamed to tell the "authorities" how foolish you are is just another tactic to try and help Greg out with detering his customers from filing complaints. Shame on you for trying to make people feel stupid for trusting your friend and what his site claims. :nono:

[MatrixWatch]

And just to clarify my position, I am all for those who say that a customer should be free to make up their mind. I agree 100%. However, I also believe that if a customer was informed with the whole truth surrounding these matrix sites, they would not send a dime to them.

The problem that I see so often is the the matrix site does not present the whole truth. They post testimonials which state, "I only waited 10 days and I cycled and received my prize!", but it doesn't fully reveal that this short waiting period will slowly turn into years for those who sign up now.

My thought is that if a person wants to sign up for a matrix site, then come here to MatrixWatch and discuss the site with us, use our wait-time calculator, read about the matrix site's history, check out our "What is a Matrix Site?" page, and then breeze through a couple of the lawsuits. The whole process would take about 30 minutes, and at the end the customer would have a good picture of what they are getting into. If they decided to still buy into the matrix site, then we can't do much more from there.

[sisco50]

And just to clarify my position, I am all for those who say that a customer should be free to make up their mind. I agree 100%. However, I also believe that if a customer was informed with the whole truth surrounding these matrix sites, they would not send a dime to them.

The problem that I see so often is the the matrix site does not present the whole truth. They post testimonials which state, "I only waited 10 days and I cycled and received my prize!", but it doesn't fully reveal that this short waiting period will slowly turn into years for those who sign up now.

My thought is that if a person wants to sign up for a matrix site, then come here to MatrixWatch and discuss the site with us, use our wait-time calculator, read about the matrix site's history, check out our "What is a Matrix Site?" page, and then breeze through a couple of the lawsuits. The whole process would take about 30 minutes, and at the end the customer would have a good picture of what they are getting into. If they decided to still buy into the matrix site, then we can't do much more from there.

I can't help but agree with that post. If I had found MW before GM, I would not have spent my money there. But I know people that would still spend their money even after hearing about matrix sites beforehand. We all know about leading a horse to water. :(

[shykid10]

I can't help but agree with that post. If I had found MW before GM, I would not have spent my money there. But I know people that would still spend their money even after hearing about matrix sites beforehand. We all know about leading a horse to water.

If i had found MW before GM there would be no way I would have spent a dime on Greg's scam. This forum is a wonderful thing for all interested in the matrix idea. It allows for a better understanding of the "Ebook" and what it really is.

[ycchen]

Just a note on the matrix-neutral issue(in my opinion). I am getting from Sisco what appears to be the case with me. I would not put any more money in a matrix site nor have I since I better understood the "reality" of the matrix, but I have not seen anything that makes me believe(yet) that they are illegal. That is the defining point between what Ycchen is seperating us by. I would not ever encourage anyone again to join a matrix and actually would be happy to try and deter them from this but NOT because I believe they are illegal. You need to understand this Ycchen because you are basically saying we have to believe that matrix sites are illegal or that we support them and that is farther from the truth than anything I have ever seen posted here.

Personally, I don't really care much about legality. The law is always behind the scam, and it ALWAYS takes a long time for the law to catch up with any scam. By that time, there are hundreds of new scams mushroom already.

So, legality of straight-line matrix is never my main concern. :) My question to matrix-neutral people is:

Is straight-line matrix a pyramid/ponzi scheme?

I am surprised why matrix-neutral friends have difficulty answer this simple question. :)

[nicoleeubanks]

Personally, I don't really care much about legality. The law is always behind the scam, and it ALWAYS takes a long time for the law to catch up with any scam. By that time, there are hundreds of new scams mushroom already.

So, legality of straight-line matrix is never my main concern. :) My question to matrix-neutral people is:

Is straight-line matrix a pyramid/ponzi scheme?

I am surprised why matrix-neutral friends have difficulty answer this simple question. :)


Uhhh...I am surprised why you seem to have difficulty understanding my answer to your simple question. Sorry Ycchen but I thought I had answered this question several times. Let's see... I am not the "statistician"(whatever it is) you are, but according to this site and links I have seen posted here pyramid/ponzi schemes are illegal. I have looked at the links and read the posts you guys make in comparing these to matrices. Do I see similarities- YES Do I think matrices are illegal- NO All I have said several times now is I do not know. I have not tried to refute that you guys say they are illegal(at least as of late :rolleyes: ). YOU are the one actually seperating people here due to the fact that YOU believe just because we do not "call the law on our own" that we are still actually matrix supporters. Have I seen any of you post any proof or links to proof that Matrices are in fact illegal? NO Have I received any word from any of the complaints I filed against Gotmatrix stating that the site was illegal? NO All I get is these responses basically saying: Sorry, won't do much from here, but if we get a LOT of complaints then maybe we will.

Look, Ycchen I think you are picking on the wrong people here and frankly it is getting very annoying to me. We are on the same side, just with slightly different opinions. I know plenty of people(including myself) who are not alcoholics because it is just not the right thing to be. Is it legal? YES So what is the point you are really trying to make here, other than trying to single out and pick on people that previously did not even want to come to this site because of the same treatment(the "I am better/smarter than you" attitude that you seem to exhude)? I mean really, just because we say "no opinion" on the legality issue doesn't mean you have to constantly make derisive comments to us. You think that's going to change anyone's mind? Hasn't worked yet. :nono:

I am in fact one of the FEW people who has followed thru on the complaints against Gotmatrix even AFTER it has come back up. I could have went back over there and just pretended all was fine and dandy like a lot of other people unfortunately did. But I know now that Greg cannot be trusted. How many times did you guys try to tell me this? No matter how many times you try to tell someone something, problem is because of human nature most of us have to learn the "hard way". Well now that I have, I am in agreement with this site because of the fact that I know all matrix sites are SCAMS. That is not however because I believe at this point that they are ILLEGAL as most of you do. It is because they are all run by crooks who want to steal people's money. I do not disagree either with the mathematics of the matrix in the fact that people will be waiting years or more if they are not the first "lucky" few. So just because I know that the matrices are a bad idea, but not neccessarily illegal(at this point) does NOT make me a matrix supporter. Okay, you got your answer AGAIN. Do you get it this time?

[sisco50]

yychen

I don't think anyone has a problem with answering a simple question here. I do think that particular dead horse has been beaten to a pulp and requires no more lashes from me or anyone else. I grow weary of redundant statements, opinions, etc. and choose to not add to the redunancy. I have also mentioned before that I will not do your DD for you. I know you are capable of coming to your own conclusions regarding the topic .

I am somewhat surprised to hear that you are not concerned about legality. I would think this to be an important issue when discussing matrix sites. Or so I am led to believe by a vast amount of posting here regarding the subject. The point of legality may be the reason there are many matrix-neutral people out there. What do you think?

[ycchen]

Well now that I have, I am in agreement with this site because of the fact that I know all matrix sites are SCAMS. That is not however because I believe at this point that they are ILLEGAL as most of you do. It is because they are all run by crooks who want to steal people's money. I do not disagree either with the mathematics of the matrix in the fact that people will be waiting years or more if they are not the first "lucky" few. So just because I know that the matrices are a bad idea, but not neccessarily illegal(at this point) does NOT make me a matrix supporter. Okay, you got your answer AGAIN. Do you get it this time?

nicoleeubanks, guest what, we are actually in agreement with the statement you just made. :applause:

I simply want to know if we agree that ALL matrix-sites are pyramid/ponzi SCAM, irrespect of the owner's behavior and the legality of the scheme.

If we can't even agree on the above bottomline, what's the point of going after Greg Day? His gotmatrix website is still functioning, and if he is NOT running a pyramid scam, why are we going after him? Without agreeing on a "bottomline", how do we persuade other victims of the pyramid scam to go after the owner/scammer?

Well, what I am advocating here is exactly the opposite of what you accurse me of: seperating the force against gotmatrix. Without agreeing on the "bottomline", I don't see how we can convince more gotmatrix customers to file complaints or take action against Greg Day. Well, I hope I am wrong.

I just want to remind you that many matrix-neutral people do not agree on taking any action against Greg Day or any matrix-owners. They are taking the "learn a bad lesson and move on" attitude, which is perfectly fine with me, even though this attitude might discourage others from taking action. But hey, it is a free world and everyone is free to think or do whatever they like :)

p/s For the last time, let me make myself very clear. I know some members and administrators on this forum emphasize on the "legality of pyramid/ponzi" or "legality of matrix-sites", but I personally do not care that much because the anti-pyramid law vary from state to state, from country to country. So, I seldom talk about the "legality" of matrix-site since I join this forum in September 2003 :)

Here is my idea of actions against pyramid-matrix scam.

If pyramid or ponzi scheme is illegal in some places, then the victims could take advantage of the anti-pyramid law to sue the pyramid-matrix. Good examples can be found in the "lawsuit section" of this website.

However, if pyramid or ponzi scheme is NOT YET illegal in some places (or countries), it is harder to take legal action. But we can at least try to "raise consumer awareness" while continue to persuade various authorities to go after them! Why are we going after a "legal (or not-yet an illegal) pyramid/ponzi scheme"? Because they are unjust scam. Period. :)

[ycchen]

nicoleeubanks, let's 'move on' to consolidate our effort on getting the scammer -- Greg Day! I am very worried that our effort is falling apart after Greg Day reopen his scam site. :( With all the respect to those 'neutral' people who just want to 'learn their lesson and move on', we need to unite those who want to take real actions! :)

Trust me, I have been "going after" Gotmatrix for more than 1 year now, and I won't give up until Greg refunds everyone (except those who want to exempt themselves from taking compensation) and/or go to jail :)

[nicoleeubanks]

nicoleeubanks, let's 'move on' to consolidate our effort on getting the scammer -- Greg Day! I am very worried that our effort is falling apart after Greg Day reopen his scam site. :( With all the respect to those 'neutral' people who just want to 'learn their lesson and move on', we need to unite those who want to take real actions! :)

Trust me, I have been "going after" Gotmatrix for more than 1 year now, and I won't give up until Greg refunds everyone (except those who want to exempt themselves from taking compensation) and/or go to jail :)

Thank you. I have just finished sealing the envelope to send back to the BBB in Cincinnati since they sent a copy of his response to them which said I purchased Ebooks, his site is now running, etc. Included are copies of direct emails from Greg with the subject line: spots purchased, from when I purchased spots directly from other members of his site. I am sure you guys may remember when his forum had a section for selling/trading/buying spots?
Well I am one that purchased a lot of my positions in the matrices this way and Greg has no leg to stand on about Ebook purchases. He knew as well as I did I did not spend that much money on his Ebooks(heck I actually have never even once looked at his Ebooks)

Anyway to respond to the point about if they are not ponzi schemes why go after Greg Day? I have a great answer to that. First off, even though I do not claim to know that the matrix sites are illegal, I do still state in my complaints that I have been advised by MW that these sites may be illegal. The main portion of my complaints(and the big reason that changed my mind about Greg) is that he was not answering his sites posts nor emails for about 3 months. He was not paying people and his site was completely unreachable for a full month. That is reason enough for me and should be for anyone. Anyway, that should answer any other questions you posted before this last post you made. I hope from here maybe you and I can motivate some more of the Gotmatrix "customers" to move forward on their complaints. Thank You.

[websurfer03101]

you people might be right in the fact, why send someone lots of money that you don't trust, but to say, all they are selling are buying ebooks is wrong. Part of GotMatrix's logo is Why Pay Retail? and the first paragraph is copied and pasted below;

"Don't you hate spending your precious money? Don't you hate paying those high prices for electronics? Well we ask you the question "Why pay retail?" Don't! We have developed and now sell our method for receiving brand name, top of the line consumer electronics at incredible prices! We also have several cash matrices for you to invest in."

By doing this they are misleading people to believe they will receive products by joining their matrix.

[ycchen]

Of course, all pyramid scam needs to deceive and lie in order to survive and thrive. We have a thread in the past on the survival tactics of gotmatrix, take a look.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1091

Again, I still think merely complaining that Greg Day is not paying enough attention to his customers, or not paying on time, or disappear periodically without notice is not going to get any authorities to take REAL action against him. Greg knows that very well, and that's why he is putting up his dead matrix online as a strategy to dismiss all the "bad" owner complaints!

Just imagine the secretary of attorney general type in "gotmatrix.com" on his browser after reading your "bad owner" complaint, and find gotmatrix "functioning" pretty well. His forum is harmonious and nothing seems to be "out of order".

The more effective and legitimate complaint should be that Greg is running a pyramid scheme that disguisted as an cheap electronic shop, and 80-95% of his customers will end up as pure donors. That is a much stronger and legitimate reason for going after Greg. That's is my position since day 1 when I join the anti-matrix campaign, and also the concensus of the core anti-matrix member on this forum.

[concerned]

Ycchen is right. Even for those that think matrix sites are not illegal, you are not really the people that can make that decision. All you have to do is tell the authorities that you have been told that it MIGHT be a pyramid scheme. Then they will make that decision after you give them that information. There are a lot of people that claim that they haven't seen a law that says the word matrix, therefor they are not illegal. My argument has always been that the title is not what seperates something from the law, it is the act that makes it illegal. If I went to a store and took something off the shelf and walked out without paying for it, and I called it ACQUIRING the item instead of STEALING it, I can't get around the law. The law says that no matter what I call it, my action was illegal. All you have to do is let the AG decide if the act is illegal, and don't worry about the name of the scheme.

[nicoleeubanks]

Ycchen is right. Even for those that think matrix sites are not illegal, you are not really the people that can make that decision. All you have to do is tell the authorities that you have been told that it MIGHT be a pyramid scheme. Then they will make that decision after you give them that information. There are a lot of people that claim that they haven't seen a law that says the word matrix, therefor they are not illegal. My argument has always been that the title is not what seperates something from the law, it is the act that makes it illegal. If I went to a store and took something off the shelf and walked out without paying for it, and I called it ACQUIRING the item instead of STEALING it, I can't get around the law. The law says that no matter what I call it, my action was illegal. All you have to do is let the AG decide if the act is illegal, and don't worry about the name of the scheme.

I have done this in my complaints. Doesn't seem to make a difference. Even though I technically do not know matrix sites are illegal, I still have mentioned in all of my complaints that I have been made aware that matrix sites may be illegal at matrixwatch.org. Unfortunately, it appears it is the same deal so far. I am hoping if enough people complain long enough, we will finally run across someone willing to do their job(maybe?). Anyway... just felt the need to put in my 2 cents on that.

[MatrixWatch]

"Don't you hate spending your precious money? Don't you hate paying those high prices for electronics? Well we ask you the question "Why pay retail?" Don't! We have developed and now sell our method for receiving brand name, top of the line consumer electronics at incredible prices! We also have several cash matrices for you to invest in."

By doing this they are misleading people to believe they will receive products by joining their matrix.

You have made a good point, and if you download the EzExpo lawsuit from our site and check out the section that refers to "consideration", then you will see that we have made this exact same claim to the courts regarding these matrix sites.

Whether or not they are selling ebooks is a non-issue. The fact is that the people buy these things to get into the matrix. In fact, some people will buy the same set of ebooks several times just to enter a list more than once. How is it all about the ebooks now? Plus, why are people spending several hundred dollars for ebooks that they could get on eBay for a dollar?

Our attorney made a cute analogy in the lawsuit of a hooker telling the cops that she was accepting $200from the man for a glass of chardonnay, and then the sex was free. To take it another step further, a drug dealer can sell a deck of cards for a hundred bucks, and then give the cocaine to the person for free. He isn't selling drugs now, right? In the lawsuit we call the ebooks a "fig leaf" which covers what is really being sold (an entrance into a change-based lottery/matrix scam).