My contact with PayPal

[MoNkEy MaN X]

I've spoken with PayPal a couple times on the phone and sent them a couple emails. They really don't care and don't want to help you.

This sickens me. I have been with PayPal since they were babies. 3 years now. I couldn't and still can't believe they don't care that I was had by www.bestdealsmatrix.com. It's just bad buisness on their part.

I think I may just send in my information so PayPal gets the bone. I would like to see them get the bone. Heck yea I'll hold a grudge against them. I think everybody should be as malicious against PayPal as posible. I really don't care about getting my money back at this point since I know it isn't likely, I would just like to see PayPal brought to their knees.

O, and Ginix was quick to refund my money, even after 2 months time, PayPal wouldn't do it after 32 days, 2 days after their policy. What a load.

[MoNkEy MaN X]

O yea, and here is bestdealsmatrix's info:

bdm
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)


Bring them to their knees as well. Hopefully bestdeals will be banashed to a small island where there is nobody and nothing around him, so he can think about he actions.

On a side note, the ematrixusa.com guy had a good attitude and responded to emails. bdm didn't respond to anything, he should be ****************

[MoNkEy MaN X]

Registrant:
bdm

1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM
Created on: 07-May-03
Expires on: 07-May-04
Last Updated on: 19-May-03

Administrative Contact:
Vibbard, Steven bios@biostech.net
biostech, inc.
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
5415419357
Technical Contact:
Vibbard, Steven bios@biostech.net
biostech, inc.
1845 State Rd.
Mosier, Oregon 97040
United States
5415419357

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM
NS2.BESTDEALSMATRIX.COM

[MatrixWatch]

Thank you for the info. I had to edit your second post because I don't want people saying that matrix owners should "die" or "be shot". I see that this sort of talk is common on the other forums, but I want things kept more professional and less personal here. Thanks for understanding.

[MoNkEy MaN X]

O, I'm not being serious when I say that. It is more like I am saying that the punishment should be extreme. It's not good to make money off of other peoples bad fortune.

Matrix sites are like the tabacco companies.

Only problem with that analogy is that people still smoke and tabacco products are still legal. How is that? Why should a harmful product be legal?

Next point, I will never understand your human race.

[tcb1969a]

Are you an Alien....MoNkEy MaN X

You will never understand your human race....

Hmm....

As far as tobacco, I am not a smoker, and think it is stupid that people smoke. But to hold the tobacco companies responsible for other peoples bad habits is insane. People have a choice, if they want to fill there lungs with smoke they can. Sure one day they will be hacking up there lungs as they drown in their own blood, but hey that is their choice and the tobacco companies can not be held responsible for the customer causing harm among themselves. Just think about it, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that breathing in smoke could be harmful to the human body.

Just like the crazy lawsuits that are going to be filed against the Fast Food Industry because they made people Fat and Unhealthy. That just goes to show you that we are slowly but surely loosing are grip on reality when we choose not to take responsibility for our own actions.

[Arzel]

Tobacco is an interesting topic.

The tobacco industry has been sued numerous time, and in case you forgot they settled a multi-billion dolar suit with almost every state a few years ago. They have also settled several individual suits over the past decade as well. So they have been held responsible. That tobacco can be a dangerous product is well known and documented, and the tobacco industry has been required to put more detailed disclaimers on it's product over the years. Whether the recent settlements and new disclaimers will be the end of lawsuits against them is probably to be determined.

But will it ever be illegal? Probably not, at least not in the foreseeable future. For all of it's ills, it is still a major agriculture industry, and so deeply rooted in our society that it will be difficult to ever be made illegal. It is an interesting link to the not taking responsibility to ones own action, but for the most part is a moot point because of it's history.

As far as the fast food lawsuits, they are going to be thrown out. Recent analysis is showing that the number of calories in a meal at your average fast food place are no more if not less than your average meal at a sit down restaraunt. And it is the number of calories you eat that makes you fat, not the amount of fat in the food that you eat. Ironically it is over indulgence in carbohydrates that make most people fat. Foods high in carbohydrates do not give you the feeling of being full like foods high in protein and fat, so people tend to eat more food because they do not feel fat. In fact removing fat from your diet will make you feel very hungry all of the time.

[tcb1969a]

My point is though we can not hold the tobacco or fast food industry accountable for our own actions. At some point consumers need to start take responsibility for poluting their own bodies and stop blaming big business for their woes....

[Arzel]

If all business operated in an ethical and honest manner, and all people were completely informed of all the possible ramifications for their actions we wouldn't even been talking on this forum.

But as well all know, that is not the case. It is impossible to know all the ramifications from our actions, and there is simply too much information to be completely informed in every decision we make. Unethical and dishonest businesses and people take advantage of this, which is why we have laws in the first place.

I do wish that people would take more responsibility for their actions, but there will always be those outliers which make the noise and set the trend. But I think you will find out, when this is all over, that our belief here about matrices is the majority. If it was not there would not be so many exisiting laws regarding these kind of schemes, not just in the US, but in just about every nation in the world.

[tcb1969a]

I guess we will just have to wait and see, won't we?

[MoNkEy MaN X]

tcb, I believe my name explains my origin.

Seriuosly though, smokers don't only hurt themselves, they hurt me, my children, and the rest of my family. Smoke polutes the air and 2nd had smoke is offensive.

Why do human beings create products to harm eachother, whether it be physically or mentally?

You can't surely believe a matrix list will actually work. Maybe a 2 cycle list would work for the longest time, but the 50 cycle lists? Whether matrix site owners will admit it or not, they know they are being somewhat deceptive. If they really could make money off eBooks or whatever else, then they wouldn't have pictures of electronics all over the site and quotes like "You leader in electronics based matracies" or "Where electronics come cheap". Now quotes like those on the front page sure make it seem pretty deceptive.

Anyway, it's all about greed. Kids starting up sites, taking money and running. Thats really my main gripe, cuz that happened to me. While it wasn't alot of money it just angers me. Problem with matrix sites is that a bunch of them if not all are not registered buisnesses, so you can't complain to the BBB.

As far as fast food goes, I see to many fat people, but they know they are fat and they keep eating fast food. It's not just that, it's cuz people don't drink water anymore, people just drink soda, which makes you fat. When people drink too much soda, they get fat, people need to drink more water and eat reasonable amounts. It's nobody's fault but your own if you gorge yourself everytime you eat a meal.

Anyway, I wonder how long until the world collapses...

[tcb1969a]

Well, I'm sorry Monkey Man, that you had a bad time with Matrices. But not all of us are bad. And it's unfortunate that you have to run into a few bad apples.

And your right, a 50 Matrix will not work, that is why mine are a lot shorter. But also remember that since customers are getting electronics cheaper than they would elsewhere, there is always going to be a catch. And that catch is Patience. Which most people do not have.

And yes, I can not stand smokers either for it is harmful to me and everyone else. But they need to be held accountable for their own actions and should not make tobacco companies pay for their own stupid actions.

[MoNkEy MaN X]

I think there should be a law allowing me to punch people in the face when they blow their smoke around me...

[tcb1969a]

Well unfortunately there isn't........Of course you can be arrested now for sucker punching someone, you did see the News about that kid that sucker punched someone and he was caught on tape...............

[MoNkEy MaN X]

Well, I would assume you could be arrested for any kind of assault LOL.

[MatrixWatch]

To bring us back to the point of this thread, PayPal was added to the lawsuit, and customers who purchased through PayPal will be entitled to restitution if the suit is successful. This is on a nationwide basis, not just the state of CA.

Please stay tuned to Matrix Watch for all the updates, as well as my attorney's website: http://www.lawyers.com/lakeshorelaw/recentcases.jsp

[breathe]

Personally, I've never had problems dealing with paypal; though I am certainly aware a lot of people have...

Time for a smoke.



breathe

[MysticX23]

so what EXACTLY are you suing paypal for? because they were the middleman for the transaction, like ginix? y don't u add all the pay processors instead of the few. just wondering.