Gotmatrix is banning people again

[concerned]

I don't know if you all looked at the Gotmatrix forums lately, but a very close friend of mine (barginhunter) was banned from that forum today because someone asked how the site worked. Barginhunter told the person to do a google search on Gotmatrix before making a purchase, and then poof, he was banned.

[MatrixWatch]

It may be on account of Greg's recent drive to collect payments from victims via checks and money orders. It is very difficult, if not impossible, for the customers to recover those payments once they find out that GotMatrix is a total scam.

The key in a campaign like that is to make sure that the potential "customers" are as uninformed as possible. This is something that has always bothered me about the matrix sites and any other illegitimate business. They don't encourage their people to read the facts first, and instead demonize anything that doesn't support their profit margins.

I hope that no one gets sucked into GotMatrix by paying non-electronically. That money is not going to be put into the lists, and I hope that the customers will see right through it and continue to file reports.

[Dreamer]

Well, greg decided to ban me from his forums. I guess that could only be because that I was willing to help out a potential customer of his.

The question was asked. If I buy a product, am I getting it or something like that. Greg, with all his wisdom, instead of answering the question told the person to go to the FAQ. Why you would want to do business with a person who can't answer a basic question is besides me.

So, I explained to him that its just simply bait and switch. They bait the customer with cheap electronics and switch to worthless ebooks.

Now, I'm banned. Is there a reason to go back? Nah. Even sisco (I think) pointed out...there is none of the regular posters there anymore. Sig did a good job of deleting negative posts, but at least there were other posts to read there. Now its just really greg talking to himself.

[sisco50]

LOL Pretty much. :) I still go by to see what barginhunter is screaming about but other than that, no reason to be there.

[mercinary]

Yeah...Greg convieniently wrote it into the forum rules that any negative comments about Gotmatrix or the matrix scheme are not welcome, and would be met with punishment.

Nice eh?

-Merc

[Dreamer]

Hey...does anybody have the lists before the big "crash". Now that greg is updating them by hand anybody wanna bet 5 bucks that the lists will be just enough different so that the people that were cycling are now a few away so he wont have to pay anyone?

[Dreamer]

Ok...negative things about matrix sites...I'll listen, I suppose. But, if barginhunter told somebody to google gotmatrix how is that negative? And, how was I being negative when I responded to a potential victim that its just a bait and switch? Isnt that what it is? How are the facts negative?

[nicoleeubanks]

Weird thing is, I don't think I could have gotten much more negative on my posts made. I even called the site a scam several times. Yet all of my posts are still up and he hasn't banned me yet. I don't know what the deal is with that. All I can think is maybe since he knows I am filing reports he figures that is one more thing I can use against him? All I know is when I posted there, each post I copied the page that way if he did delete it, I showed proof of it(If that will ever help anything). Who knows what Greg is thinking, If I were him my posts would have been the first thing to go. As far as the Google comment, unless Greg is stupid he knows if someone Googles Gotmatrix that the first thing that pops up is Matrixwatch. But then again, I am going to go back and look but I could swear I mentioned this sites name at least once in my posts too? I'm going to go see now.

[nicoleeubanks]

Weird thing is, I don't think I could have gotten much more negative on my posts made. I even called the site a scam several times. Yet all of my posts are still up and he hasn't banned me yet. I don't know what the deal is with that. All I can think is maybe since he knows I am filing reports he figures that is one more thing I can use against him? All I know is when I posted there, each post I copied the page that way if he did delete it, I showed proof of it(If that will ever help anything). Who knows what Greg is thinking, If I were him my posts would have been the first thing to go. As far as the Google comment, unless Greg is stupid he knows if someone Googles Gotmatrix that the first thing that pops up is Matrixwatch. But then again, I am going to go back and look but I could swear I mentioned this sites name at least once in my posts too? I'm going to go see now.


Yes I did... I thought so. Greg even responds with the name of this site in his posts too so I do not know what would be so bad about what barginhunter or dreamer could have posted compared to mine. I just hope some people read it and take heed.

[nicoleeubanks]

Well not suprising Greg "cleared out" the forums again where the only post where mine were at now is the one saying the lists are updated and suprise,suprise (NOT) many cycled spots are very much "uncycled" now. There is currently a post on there about how one of the people says their $25 lists spots cycled over 4 months ago and the now "updated" list shows only 1/2 of those cycled now... What a coincidence. Most of us already figured this was what Greg was going to do before he even did it. :nono:

[Dreamer]

Did greg delete my post when I mentioned that last week that the people who have cycled are probably nowhere near cycling anymore after gregs handiwork?

[jokach]

more than likely, he did. It seems anything that is posted over there that goes against him, his scheme, his 'cover-up', will get deleted.

Seems old habits never change ............ :)

[Dreamer]

At this point I suppose I don't feel sorry for anybody who gets suckered into his site.

1. He only accepts money orders. Ummm...a matrix that only accepts money orders?
2. Cant view lists? Why?
3. Its been open for 2 years and only have like 13 posts?
4. All the posts are only positive things?
5. There are no negative posts and no responses to negative posts.

Those of you that have been filing reports via that other thread I think there should be one more step (I'm too lazy to find the thread).

Every week refile your reports everywhere. Even if 20 people do it once a week, after 5 weeks there will be 100 complaints. Maybe someone somewhere will eventually be assigned to look into the situation just to shut you up.

[mercinary]

Every week refile your reports everywhere. Even if 20 people do it once a week, after 5 weeks there will be 100 complaints. Maybe someone somewhere will eventually be assigned to look into the situation just to shut you up.

Dreamer,

Although I think that the Gotmatrix victims need to stay focused, and continue to file reports with agencies they have yet to write to, SPAMing is not the right way to go about anything (ever). As an organization, Matrixwatch does not support SPAMing under any circumstances.

-Merc

[Dreamer]

Hi Merc,

Your right. However, from my perspective. Last week my job paid me for 57 hours instead of 80 hours. I went in to find out why. They said the next day I should have it. I called the next to find out what happened. I called every hour when I thought it might arrive, and a week and a half later I finally got the rest of my check.

I personally don't think it is considered spam to try to get on the arse of an organization that can do something to protect other people to get them to do their jobs. Yes, they have more important things to do, but I would personally like some response from someone stating what is going on or why they aren't doing anything.

Thats just me. I like answers. And I know that a success email campaign might actually get answers. I consider spam unsolicited junk. Asking a business to do their job isn't unsolicited. Your soliciting them to do their job.

But, I'll step aside. Your right. I may not agree with you, but that really doesn't matter cause I see where you are coming from and your probably more right than me.

[sisco50]

Spamming can and does take other forms. It is not always just unsolicited junk mail. In the case of victims filing redundant forms with the authorities, I believe this is a mistake. Inundating the offices of the authorities with many duplicate forms of the same complaint will serve no purpose outside of irritating those busy people while they throw those duplicates in the circular file. TWENTY copies of the same complaint is still ONE complaint.

[StudentNurse]

Here is what I don't get. Everyone is complaining about Gotmatrix, telling other people to not buy into it and than wondering why they are not going to cycle. People must buy into it in order for others to cycle..isn't that how it works?!? I just don't understand some people. I believe gotmatrix was the best matrix site when people were buying into it, and now it's just got a bad rep because people lost interest in it and stopped buying into it and people who didn't cycle say they got scammed. But thats how a matrix site works, you don't cycle when nobody is buying into it. Everything remains in a stand still situation. It's really not that hard of a concept when you stop to think about it. But than again for the people spending thousands of dollars on something they didn't know too much about, apparently weren't thinking too much at all. lol

[sisco50]

Who would spend thousands of dollars on something they don't know much about? No one. A couple of hundred maybe, but not thousands. lol

[sisco50]

BTW I just read a few minutes ago that the GotMatix forum is not a discussion forum. It is a customer service forum. Therein may lie the reason for deletions and bannings. Or just an excuse if one needed one. :(

[StudentNurse]

I have actually read on these forums that people have spent $2,000. They can't believe that they are at fault for the money being gone. Yeah they were robbed all right, by their own stupidity. lol

[mercinary]

StudentNurse,

You started a discussion <a href="http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1997">here</a> regarding the liability of matrix customers. This thread we are in now deals with bannings on the Gotmatrix site. Please check out our forum rules, as this is the second thread you have "hijacked", which is not permitted.

We just want to keep each thread on the topic that it was started for. Feel free to open up new threads if you have a different topic to discuss. Thanks!

-Merc

[nicoleeubanks]

Here is what I don't get. Everyone is complaining about Gotmatrix, telling other people to not buy into it and than wondering why they are not going to cycle. People must buy into it in order for others to cycle..isn't that how it works?!? I just don't understand some people. I believe gotmatrix was the best matrix site when people were buying into it, and now it's just got a bad rep because people lost interest in it and stopped buying into it and people who didn't cycle say they got scammed. But thats how a matrix site works, you don't cycle when nobody is buying into it. Everything remains in a stand still situation. It's really not that hard of a concept when you stop to think about it. But than again for the people spending thousands of dollars on something they didn't know too much about, apparently weren't thinking too much at all. lol

DUH where have you been... The site was DOWN for a month and previous to that people who HAD CYCLED were not being paid! This is when one of those "stupid people" who put in a lot of money to Gotmatrix actually believing Greg was an honest person turned against him and his site. I am not whining because I didn't cycle NOR is it because I lost interest. YOU are the only one who can't see the big picture here. What I find ridiculous about your posting is that you have the nerve to call people stupid, like me who invested thousands of dollars into Gotmatrix in July of LAST year BEFORE there was ever any problems out of Greg, before I even knew Matrixwatch existed, before I had seen anything at all relating matrix sites to being illegal, and when people were cycling on Gotmatrix by the hundreds per day(on the $25 list). Now a year and a half later, you are ON matrixwatch, you can see the postings about Greg, you see how obviuosly he is LYING to people and you say (I quote): " I just don't understand some people. I believe gotmatrix was the best matrix site when people were buying into it, and now it's just got a bad rep because people lost interest in it and stopped buying into it and people who didn't cycle say they got scammed." Now who is really being stupid here???

Let me repeat what I said before the site was GONE for a month. AFTER many complaints were filed with authorities Greg decided to bring the site up so the "smart people" like yourself would revert back to thinking it was all fine and dandy and that it is all of the "stupid people's" fault the site is not working anymore. Never mind the fact that Greg is a total LIAR and has ripped lots of people off. He has not paid anyone in months who DID cycle. Tell you what go back on over there to the Gotmatrix forum with your support for him since that is the only thing he allows postings of anymore anyway. Don't you find it convenient that a board that we used to have discussions on is now suddenly a "self-cleaning" board where all posts are deleted within a few days maximum. Sound very honest to you? Oh I guess it does since you are the smart one here.

What I don't get sisco is why you are carrying on this conversation with the StudentNurse here. I know you have been around Gotmatrix long enough now to at least know a little better. And you should remember that myself and you couldn't stand coming to matrixwatch before because we felt like we were being ambushed when we came. Sadly enough now I realize it was the truth they were ambushing me with... Just took a little too long for me to realize it. I don't know who this StudentNurse is but either she has just started coming around lately or she really has got some big BLINDERS on here. So I let you keep posting about how stupid some of us were long enough without responding. I for one would at least prefer to be called stupid by someone who is not still saying how great Gotmatrix would be if it wasn't for the customers. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! (or is it the other way around? Heck I don't know) I think maybe at least you can get the point here from it though. :nono:

Note to mercinary: Sorry if this is off topic but this is in response to what was posted here. I was just back here reading over the thread since I posted earlier on it. I guess I missed the original one or something.

[sisco50]

nicole

The GotMatrix forum is now a customer service forum and not a discussion forum. So says Greg in a post there. I see that for what it is as much as you do so I won't beat that dead horse.

My comments in a few previous posts regarding experienced players had nothing to do with you. Had to do with a couple of people that I know personally that play the game in hopes of winning. These people have no thought to cry scam if they lose. They know what they are doing and welcome the challenge. Hope that clears it up for you. :)

[mercinary]

Had to do with a couple of people that I know personally that play the game in hopes of winning. These people have no thought to cry scam if they lose. They know what they are doing and welcome the challenge.


Those types of people are considered "prospectors". Aside from matrix site owners, they are the worst types of people because they get into a matrix at the very early stage, and then recruit newbies to sign up. Often times, prospectors are the only ones who ever recieve free gifts from ANY of the matrix sites.

Just a little side note....sorry to get off topic. :)

-Merc

[StudentNurse]

Sorry if I seemed to get off the topic, but I would like to reply to nicoleeubanks. I think that it is funny that people think Greg shut the site down to scam them, when in actual reality he posted the truth on his site. How do I know this? Not because I am smarter than you, but because I know him personally and have for the last three and a half years. I think he is a great guy who would do anything for anybody. But did I put my money into his matrix? No. Not because I thought it was a scam, but because I thought it was a risk. When he told me about it my exact words were " That sounds like a big risk, what kind of idiots do you think would spend their money on this?!" He of course thought I was dumb, but in fact many people did start buying into it. But still I didn't want to take money that I didn't have to lose and take the chance that people would lose interest. You got what you paid for...which is the e-books. People are acting crazy, down right pyschotic, calling and harrassing him. Yeah I think people who spend that kind of money on a matrix, knowing it has to eventually fail is stupid, stupid if it is money you cannot live without. If you had that kind of money to play with in the first place, I guess you didn't need it too bad. Am I smarter? No. All I am saying, which is my opinion, is that I think it's funny how people are acting. If they know so much about Matrixes, I doubt they would have put much money into them, if any at all. Personally I would ban people from the gotmatrix forum which is for customer help, not for opinions, that is what this site is for. That was always the rule for the forums, however he did used to let people discuss such topics but decided to stop it, due to the phone harrasment. If people want to spend their money in matrix sites, that should be their choice. I am sorry if I have offended you, but I think many of you are going too far with all of this. Which is why I am on this site, to try and get a better understanding of why people are acting like matrix owners have stolen your money when you were the ones to send it to them. I apologize for "hijacking" this forum, I did not mean to get so far off topic.

[nicoleeubanks]

Sorry if I seemed to get off the topic, but I would like to reply to nicoleeubanks. I think that it is funny that people think Greg shut the site down to scam them, when in actual reality he posted the truth on his site. How do I know this? Not because I am smarter than you, but because I know him personally and have for the last three and a half years. I think he is a great guy who would do anything for anybody. But did I put my money into his matrix? No. Not because I thought it was a scam, but because I thought it was a risk. When he told me about it my exact words were " That sounds like a big risk, what kind of idiots do you think would spend their money on this?!" He of course thought I was dumb, but in fact many people did start buying into it. But still I didn't want to take money that I didn't have to lose and take the chance that people would lose interest. You got what you paid for...which is the e-books. People are acting crazy, down right pyschotic, calling and harrassing him. Yeah I think people who spend that kind of money on a matrix, knowing it has to eventually fail is stupid, stupid if it is money you cannot live without. If you had that kind of money to play with in the first place, I guess you didn't need it too bad. Am I smarter? No. All I am saying, which is my opinion, is that I think it's funny how people are acting. If they know so much about Matrixes, I doubt they would have put much money into them, if any at all. Personally I would ban people from the gotmatrix forum which is for customer help, not for opinions, that is what this site is for. That was always the rule for the forums, however he did used to let people discuss such topics but decided to stop it, due to the phone harrasment. If people want to spend their money in matrix sites, that should be their choice. I am sorry if I have offended you, but I think many of you are going too far with all of this. Which is why I am on this site, to try and get a better understanding of why people are acting like matrix owners have stolen your money when you were the ones to send it to them. I apologize for "hijacking" this forum, I did not mean to get so far off topic.

I think the part saying you know him personally is all that was needed. It explains it all right there. No need for any other excuses for supporting him. As far as the comment about people putting "that kind of money" into a matrix they know will fail is funny since I invested my money in it when the site was practically new and matrix sites were more or less new too. I knew nothing about them or how they worked, but thought I did understand which is probably 90% of the customers' same problem. BY the time I had even heard of Matrixwatch my money was already gone months before. So I tried to do the only thing I could and hope that Greg was as honest as he said he was and did actually believe that(and defended him) until recently. My question is why are you in this forum? Just to downgrade people or to spy for Greg? The whole point that watchdog states he has this site up is to inform people about matrix sites so they don't make the same mistakes many of us have. You seem to be dead opposite of that. You are trying to make Greg out as the victim and all of us out like we all knew the whole deal here. By the time I found out that nearly all of the matrix site owners are just scammers and that the mtrix system itself was possibly illegal it was a little too late. I haven't put anymore money into any sites at all past '03 but I also still believed Greg was honest and running his site as well as he could until he proved differently by his own actions lately. Was it stupid for me to put in over $2000.00 in hopes of cycling? Yes. But do you have a right to call people stupid just because they thought this might work for them? I think not. I think that you are just here trying to deter people from fighting to get their money back from Gotmatrix(standing up for your buddy Greg). You figured if you posted about how stupid people are for trying to get their money back you might change some more minds. Well I hope whatever cut he is giving you is worth it. Strangest thing to me is that you post about how Gotmatrix was the best site til people lost interest and then you just said Greg offered you to join into it but you thought it was a bad idea. Those 2 statements seem a little contradictory to me. I don't know why you just admitted being a close friend of Greg's like that would lend you some credibility or something. You should have just stuck to the "pretend gotmatrix customer" routine you were using in all your previous posts since that may have actually swayed a few who were not sure just what a liar Greg really is. Anyway, I'm tired of rambling and I am sure everyone is tired of hearing me ramble. I got what I wanted from you. Now that you have admitted who you are that settles it all for me. Thanks.

[nicoleeubanks]

nicole

The GotMatrix forum is now a customer service forum and not a discussion forum. So says Greg in a post there. I see that for what it is as much as you do so I won't beat that dead horse.

My comments in a few previous posts regarding experienced players had nothing to do with you. Had to do with a couple of people that I know personally that play the game in hopes of winning. These people have no thought to cry scam if they lose. They know what they are doing and welcome the challenge. Hope that clears it up for you. :)

My problem was I thought that I understood it before I got into it and then after I did get a better understanding I was still trying to believe it would work since I believed Greg was honest and the only thing (I thought) I had to worry about was waiting to cycle. Unfortunately Greg has proven beyond any question lately how dishonest he really is. I know now that I not only have to worry about ever cycling, but even if I ever did I cannot trust Greg one second to pay me or anyone else that got caught up in his scheme. I cannot say I believe that matrix sites are illegal because at this point I do not have any proof either way on it. I just happened along to Gotmatrix during the time when Paypal was still being used and people were cycling by the hundreds so at that time to invest $2000.00 didn't really seem like a lot. At the rate people are and have been cycling since right after I bought into the site I would never have thought about putting a lot of money in like this but because of the amount of people cycling at the time, IF things had kept up at the same rate I would have cycled in no more than a few weeks. Of course thinking I knew what the "real deal" was I figured that was what I was in for.

Funny thing is I am the type of person who prefers the "one bird in the hand to the two in the bush". I don't even play the lottery or buy those scratch off tickets EVER because I don't like to waste money like that. I would prefer to have the $2 in my pocket instead of the $1000 I could win. So it is extremely ironic for me to have even gotten involved in Gotmatrix. Sadly enough that is how well I was convinced by Greg's site that it was legit and would work. I actually found Gotmatrix about a week and a half before I put any money in and while I was seeing all of the people cycling and posting that they were paid(by the hundreds) in the $25 line I figured it was a win-win situation. Boy was I wrong. :eek:

Anyway, that previous long post was mostly not meant to you sisco. I was just aggravated how rude StudentNurse is being about people who got involved with Gotmatrix. But now I know why. No hard feelings. :cool:

[sisco50]

nicoleeubanks

Thanks for sharing your story. :) Mine is similar but I do buy lottery tickets. lol I bought the GM url from a person at Ebay for $5 and was told how well the lines were moving. Next thing you know, I bought into the program with a spot in the desktop pc line. It took me a full week to realize that the wait was going to be far too long so I ordered a new Dell pc from the factory in Austin. I did indeed receive my ebooks in the mail tho. The rest is history, as they say. :) In the mean time, I consider my money to be well spent as tuition for the lesson learned. hehehehehe I have never tried to talk anyone into joining a matrix and never will. However, I do feel that people can spend their money any way they want. If they want to gamble on matrix sites it is their right to do so until matrix sites are deemed illegal by the authorities and shut down. This has not happened as yet. I believe that matrix sites will die out on their own long before the authorities will attempt to do anything about them. Same thing with the doublers and triplers and what all else. I consider the money sites to be much worse than the matrix sites. I have never joined a doubler site.

lol Now I find myself rambling on and really need to stop. :) Might be time to eat! :)

[StudentNurse]

I'm not getting a paycut to say my opinon on Greg. Money doesn't mean anything to me,I really am interested to find out why people think theyshould get their money back. I never pretended to be one of his customers, I have always said I wouldn't ever put money into any matrix. Do I think people who spend money they don't have on a matrix and whine about it when it fails..yes I do. I do know there are people who do things without looking into them or even thinking of the consequences. But hey that's life, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. You just have to make the best out of it and move forward and learn from your mistakes. I am not trying to stop anyone from doing what they are doing.I am not ashamed to say I know Greg, nor do I want credit. What credit would I get? I know everyone thinks I am a horrible person for knowing him, but I see no reason to deny him. I know what kind of person he is and I think it sucks that GM has made people think otherwise. Like I continue to say, I am only trying to understand everyone else's side,but what I have heard, it just sounds like careless people with too much money on their hands. Sorry but that is what I think. Well now that I have "admitted who I am", as if all of you know me personally since I have made a few posts on a forum, and that I know Greg, I won't even bother trying to understand because there is no use. I have probally wasted as much of my time as some of you have your money trying to understand it all. Don't bother to reply to this because I will not be wasting anymore time reading your excuses. In the end people will get what they deserve, whichever way it will go. Goodluck and may you use better judgement and common sense next time.

[MatrixWatch]

So, your basic point is that people should be wise enough to avoid bad investments, and if they aren't then that is just tough luck, and they shouldn't take it out on Greg. Okay, I can agree with that to some extent.

However, we are not talking about a risky mutual fund here, or becoming an angel investor in a friend's new dry-cleaning business. We are talking about a fraudulent scheme and is illegal in just about every U.S. jurisdiction. Are you suggesting that we should just ignore these things and have no mercy on those who were led to believe that it was legitimate? And what about that FAQ section on GotMatrix.com where Greg claims that his site is "100% Legal".

I can agree with what you are saying if we were talking about something perfectly legal, yet risky. But should we apply your logic to drug pushers, swindlers, and con artists? Isn't this the same thing that happens in mankind's encounters with them, and wouldn't your consolation to those affected just be, "Well, you really shouldn't have gotten into something like that!"

That would be ridiculous, but it is exactly what your are doing with Greg Day here. The guy is a con artist who used a cleverly worded pyramid scam to dupe over $400,000 from victims nationwide. That is no small matter, and Greg Day needs to be held accountable to the law by those whom he scammed and victimized.

You are more than welcome to defend him and stand by his side, but I'd just say to you that those stood by other matrix scammers in the past were only made out to be fools in the end. I remember when people were defending Shelby Ware and Damion Flynn from EzExpo. I remember when people were standing by Jake Posch from EmatrixUSA. Who can forget those who supported eBanana, Variety Matrix, CheapMatrix, and The420Money Matrix. All of those scams crashed and burned, and the owners are thought of shamefully as scammers. In some cases, the supporters actually turned out to be mere aliases for the owners themselves, or people who had their names at the top of one of the matrix lists and close to cycling. I wouldn't doubt that this could be the case here.

[nicoleeubanks]

In some cases, the supporters actually turned out to be mere aliases for the owners themselves, or people who had their names at the top of one of the matrix lists and close to cycling. I wouldn't doubt that this could be the case here.
That's my opinion on this. Why else would StudentNurse be on Matrixwatch anyway?

[Dreamer]

Well, Greg has to get his information somehow. He is too scared to come here himself. So, what occupation is his gf anyways?

[Dreamer]

Wow. I signed up for those forums again. What a joke!

How can he get away with calling them a customer support forum when for 5+ months he couldn't bother looking at his own darn forum to answer questions of people who supported him? But, now he can make sure he checks it all the time so he can delete dated posts from a week ago?

And, if it was truely a customer support forum now, wouldn't he want to keep relevant threads up so he doesn't have to answer the same darn question over and over again?

While I check MW like every 20 seconds, I'm a member of plenty of forums that I haven't been on in over a month. What kind of custoemr support is he offering that the person who asked the question might not be able to see the response since it was asked over 3 days ago?

Ok, I'm a consumer. This site has been open for 2 years...it must be great. Let me check out the forum first. Wait, the members dont care enough about the site to ever have posted anything?

[sisco50]

Ok So he is shooting himself in the foot. No info there for newbies, no newbies spending their money. What's your problem with that? He is doing you a favor. No? :)

[Dreamer]

Just doing my service of pointing out more of his lies and stupidity. I just don't see how he can call it a customer service forum where thats the one thing he never offered.

[sisco50]

Got it. :)

[ycchen]

Ok So he is shooting himself in the foot. No info there for newbies, no newbies spending their money. What's your problem with that? He is doing you a favor. No? :)

Nope. Not good enough. He is just using a dead matrix to divide the solidarity of the victims and slow down their complaints against him. He should be brought to justice for running a pyramid/ponzi scam AND refund their money. That's where all scammers should end up eventually. That's my bottomline. :mad:

Of course, if that happens, matrix-neutral customers could exempt yourself from receiving compensation. :)

[sisco50]

Absolutely! My few bucks are well spent in a lesson well learned. :)