I'm just curious.....

[tcb1969a]

How many of you here would be Matrix Lovers instead of Matrix Haters, had you cycled on the sites that you evidently lost money on?

[uwantme]

Well even watchdog himself said that he probably wouldnt have filed a lawsuit if they had just refunded his money-- and now look at everything that has happened since....

Of course no one would hate the matrix system if everyone did and could cycle or could at least get a refund.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
Well even watchdog himself said that he probably wouldnt have filed a lawsuit if they had just refunded his money-- and now look at everything that has happened since....

Of course no one would hate the matrix system if everyone did and could cycle or could at least get a refund.


But of course that is not how a Matrix system works....

I just wish Watch Dog would have been on my site instead, seeing how he says he requested a refund within a reasonable amount of time, I sure would have given him a refund......

[mikv]

I hope many of them answer to this as I am curious of the same.

[uwantme]

I know... I believe watchdog sai dit was like 19 days before he requested a refund and I would have given it to him to. But in all businesses there are good and bad.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
I know... I believe watchdog sai dit was like 19 days before he requested a refund and I would have given it to him to. But in all businesses there are good and bad.


Yep, that has been a main point of mine for a long time. You can't label all businesses of a certain type as bad because of a few bad apples.....

[mikv]

Why did watchdog only wait 19 days? I don't believe he would have bought into it without proofreading the site a few hundred times, he couldn't have not known it would have taken longer. I would have asked him to wait at least a month before asking for a refund. Sounds a little impatient to me. With the way a matrix site is setup, you almost have to grant the site a "grace period" of 30 days before making such a fuss about a refund. Although I would have refunded him right off the bat too.

[concerned]

I still wouldn't be fans of this. By the way, TCB, you say that you would have given a refund, which I think is great, but that is only one person. What if you were in the same situation as EZExpo. Let's say that you have cycled 10 people for a plazma screen TV, on a 20 person per cycle matrix. Then all of a sudden, the last 150 people on that list want a refund. Would you refund all 150 their money, knowing that you already spent it on the TVs? You see, that is the problem. Too many people want their money back, and they can't afford to refund everyone!

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by mikv
Why did watchdog only wait 19 days? I don't believe he would have bought into it without proofreading the site a few hundred times, he couldn't have not known it would have taken longer. I would have asked him to wait at least a month before asking for a refund. Sounds a little impatient to me. With the way a matrix site is setup, you almost have to grant the site a "grace period" of 30 days before making such a fuss about a refund. Although I would have refunded him right off the bat too.

Who knows....Perhaps he baited the site so that he would be able to get all Matrix sites shut down. But that is only speculation. He could have realized it later on and decided he didn't want to participate, who know really.

Would love to hear his take on this...........

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by concerned
I still wouldn't be fans of this. By the way, TCB, you say that you would have given a refund, which I think is great, but that is only one person. What if you were in the same situation as EZExpo. Let's say that you have cycled 10 people for a plazma screen TV, on a 20 person per cycle matrix. Then all of a sudden, the last 150 people on that list want a refund. Would you refund all 150 their money, knowing that you already spent it on the TVs? You see, that is the problem. Too many people want their money back, and they can't afford to refund everyone!

After a certain time period no I would not.....But if they genuinely did not understand the process of a Matrix system and it was within a reasonable time frame then I would be more than happy to refund the person. And you see I already have done so in the past.....But most of my customers are happy and understand the process......

[MysticX23]

i'm both a matrix lover and a matrix hater...

"The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window. Or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work. When you go to Church. When you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

"Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Matrix is... You have to see it for yourself."

LOL...anyways...i think i like it more than hate it, but i can definetly see flaws in it. If only all matrix owners were honest and didn't close down sites and inform people what's going on...

[concerned]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
After a certain time period no I would not.....But if they genuinely did not understand the process of a Matrix system and it was within a reasonable time frame then I would be more than happy to refund the person. And you see I already have done so in the past.....But most of my customers are happy and understand the process......


That's all fine, but maybe now you see whay EZxpo is finally getting sued. The number of requested refunds caught up with them, and they couldn't afford to pay back anymore. It can happen to any or all of you. Even if you think you are running something 100% legal, that doesn't stop people from suing other people. It is the court's job to make the final decision. All you have to do is get enough unsatisfied customers to file a lawsuit. That is why the laws exist. Once this ruling is finalized, the laws will be written based on this case so that there won't have to be 200 more lawsuits. There won't be a need for the other 200.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by MysticX23
i'm both a matrix lover and a matrix hater...

"The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window. Or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work. When you go to Church. When you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

"Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Matrix is... You have to see it for yourself."

LOL...anyways...i think i like it more than hate it, but i can definetly see flaws in it. If only all matrix owners were honest and didn't close down sites and inform people what's going on...

That was pretty funny qouting the Matrix movie.....hahah

And yes I agree, I wish more matrix sites were honest, but like I always say, there are always bad apples in everything, and when you fall off a horse you just get back on..........

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by concerned
That's all fine, but maybe now you see whay EZxpo is finally getting sued. The number of requested refunds caught up with them, and they couldn't afford to pay back anymore. It can happen to any or all of you. Even if you think you are running something 100% legal, that doesn't stop people from suing other people. It is the court's job to make the final decision. All you have to do is get enough unsatisfied customers to file a lawsuit. That is why the laws exist. Once this ruling is finalized, the laws will be written based on this case so that there won't have to be 200 more lawsuits. There won't be a need for the other 200.


Yes and there are too many lawsuits going on these days. Anyone here joining the Fast Food Lawsuit???

[uwantme]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
Yes and there are too many lawsuits going on these days. Anyone here joining the Fast Food Lawsuit???

call me ignorant but whats that?

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
call me ignorant but whats that?


You didn't here.....?

Evidently there is a group that is representing you and me and the rest of americans, that is fixing to sue the Fast Food Industry for making Americans Fat and Unhealthy......

[concerned]

Originally posted by uwantme
call me ignorant but whats that?

Obese people suing McDonalds, because McDonalds made them FAT. It is actually going on.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by concerned
Obese people suing McDonalds, because McDonalds made them FAT. It is actually going on.

Yep as well as other Fast food chains. In fact McDonalds is so scared, to ward off this threat they are going to make more nutritional burgers......

What in the heck is this world coming to....?

[northstar5757]

I would never willingly get myself involved in a ponzi scheme. Suffice to say I have never been in a Matrix.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by northstar5757
I would never willingly get myself involved in a ponzi scheme. Suffice to say I have never been in a Matrix.

Well, seeing how a Matrix system has not been determined to be a Ponzi scheme, I fail to see your logic.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
You didn't here.....?

Evidently there is a group that is representing you and me and the rest of americans, that is fixing to sue the Fast Food Industry for making Americans Fat and Unhealthy......

No I had not heard anything about that. My god its almost pathetic...

[northstar5757]

The FTC has even called a matrix a ponzi scheme. However you guys get wround that by giving entry into the matrix as a gift. A matrix is legal as long as no one spends money to get in to it.

You know that you would be in big trouble if you sold a spot directly into the matrix (no ebook). even though in reality that is what you are doing, the ebook is just a loophole.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
No I had not heard anything about that. My god its almost pathetic...

It's all because of the Tobacco lawsuits.....They decided to jump on the band wagon, the band wagon of sueing big companies............Really pathetic.........

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by northstar5757
The FTC has even called a matrix a ponzi scheme. However you guys get wround that by giving entry into the matrix as a gift. A matrix is legal as long as no one spends money to get in to it.

You know that you would be in big trouble if you sold a spot directly into the matrix (no ebook). even though in reality that is what you are doing, the ebook is just a loophole.

Um....where does the FTC say that a Matrix is a Ponzi scheme.....

The whole idea of a Matrix system is the free spot in the Matrix list.....

[northstar5757]

they call them matrix schemes. I'm sure someone on the board can direct you to the article. I beleive watchdog may have posted it. but like I said once you give free entry it becomes legal (even though it is basically still a ponzi).

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by northstar5757
they call them matrix schemes. I'm sure someone on the board can direct you to the article. I beleive watchdog may have posted it. but like I said once you give free entry it becomes legal (even though it is basically still a ponzi).

I have read just about all of Watch Dogs postings and I have yet to see a link to where it says that Matrix systems are Ponzi schemes...

I have seen many on here show where to go to find the deffinition to Ponzi scheme, but tying the two together no one has done yet to my knowledge on a Government site....

Now of course a lot of people on here insist that the meaning to a Ponzi scheme fits the Matrix system but there is no real proof that it does, just theories and conjecture........Hardly factual....

[northstar5757]

You yourself aknoqlwde that if you sold a place directly into the matrix that it would be breaking the law. Which is why you sell ebooks instead of a place in the matrix.

I meant that a PIAD matrix is illegal but a free matrix is not.

[Firegod]

Northstar,
I hate to have to point it out to you, but you just said a free matrix is legal. Even if you claim its a loohole, why bust people's butts for something we all know is legal.

Call it whatever you want, if people want to join, it is their own free will. MatrixWatch is great to inform customers looking into the risks, but quit claiming Matrix sites are some kind of scam.

If you disagree with something change the law. Don't attack people with a legal business.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Firegod
Northstar,
I hate to have to point it out to you, but you just said a free matrix is legal. Even if you claim its a loohole, why bust people's butts for something we all know is legal.

Call it whatever you want, if people want to join, it is their own free will. MatrixWatch is great to inform customers looking into the risks, but quit claiming Matrix sites are some kind of scam.

If you disagree with something change the law. Don't attack people with a legal business.

Your a good person firegod:D

[northstar5757]

Yes I know that it is legal. But using a bait and switch tactic is NOT legal. If people are legitimately buying the product as uwantme has pointed out there is no problem, but most of the sites might as well be selling a spot straight in. The oweners themselves and costumers admit this.

The sites that sell cheap ebooks at outragous prices, while legal at the moment, I beleive they will eventually be shut down unless they change what they are selling.

[hurley9192]

legal and ethical are two different things...it may be legal, but is it really ethical to start a site, get a bunch of people that are already doing these matrix sites to join and then profit off the people that get in later and hope for some big prize.

No one buys ebooks for $150...plain and simple. Newbies buy in because, "heck, it's only $45" and maybe it will work and then it rarely does.

Matrix sites are taking advantage of the fact that if they can get enough people to say what the heck, then that is where they will continue to profit.

By the way, I don't feel that I got burned by a matrix site, but when I found out how far out I was, which was the only reason that I paid in, then I realized how big of a scam it was. The site was alluring because I could get something I was looking to buy for pretty cheap. I didn't even download the books because they were all trash anyways and weren't really advertised on the site.

When 20 pay in and only one profits, it grows exponentially. We can go back and forth and you can try and find some unethical loophole where you can scam people out of money by offering some worthless product, but the bottom line is that it's basically a ponzi scheme according to the definition in Webster's dictionary.