imagine-expo.com Shuts it's Doors

[peterdragin]

Direct from web page

http://www.imagine-expo.com/lost.asp

We are sorry to inform you that our merchant account has been shut down. If you don't know already know, Ginix is being shut down. As Ginix was our way of collecting for our e-books sales we cannot function any longer. Because of the way Ginix worked we do not have any of your money. They only paid out monthly, but they waited a month before they credited our accounts. So money we made in May would be given to us July 1st. Ginix notified us that our account as well as every other matrix site accounts have been discontinued. This happened June 24th and we are sorry for the tardiness of the message. As is states in our Terms that you agreed to before purchasing we reserved the right to cancel the list at any time, considering that you purchased our e-books and not a spot in our line, the spot in line was a free gift to you for choosing us. We believe that this is plenty of reason to cancel the line. Please send all inquiries about refunds to Ginix because as we said before, we don't have your money. I don't know how likely they are to respond but you can try. Thanks for your support and good luck in the future.


Queen ! Play it Again !

[tcb1969a]

Who likes Queen anyway???

[peterdragin]

The Dogs do.

Baja Men are good to.

[tcb1969a]

Yada Yada Yada.....

[Firegod]

Thanks for closing down Imagine-Expo.

Now I'll never get my gift.

Thanks for helping me lose my money.....

[matrixfriendly]

Originally posted by Firegod
Thanks for closing down Imagine-Expo.

Now I'll never get my gift.

Thanks for helping me lose my money.....

See the good work that you are doing!
Imagine-Expo did not rip him off YOU did!

[Firegod]

I new I would have to wait a long time when I signed up. I read the Terms of Service and made my own choice. The site-owner was living up to his agreement until people like the ones here got his site shut down.

Quit talking about Site Owners ripping people off unless the collect a bunch of money and then voluntarily close up.

Every site has a TOS agreement and we all agree to it when buying our ebooks. There is no scam here.

You would be mad if you bought a tv with a 5-year warranty and then the company was forced to close, voiding your warranty.

With the site open I was perfectly happy. He didn't voluntarily rip me off.

[mikv]

Another closed site, soon to be more...The CYBERGUY is doing a piece on Matrix Sites TODAY at 7:50 am West Coast Time on Channel 5.

I just heard, I'm sure the rest of this forum might have known already, but if not don't forge to watch it!

[Firegod]

I meant "knew"

I really can spell.

[northstar5757]

Didn't you also realize that there was a good chance the site would be shut down? Anyone knows that these sites are extremely volitile. Sure blame watchdog or the government. That's what 50% of the investers do whenver a pyramid scheme is shut down. Oh ya but this not not a pyramid scheme *smirk* The only reason they exist is because they exploit a loop hole. As such it is NOT a safe venture. Greed does wonderful things...

[matrixfriendly]

We blame those who take credit for the closure. There are several people on here that take credit for shutting sites down, so why would it not be right to blame them. If they take responsibility, they are the ones hurting the customers, not the sites.

[concerned]

Originally posted by matrixfriendly
We blame those who take credit for the closure. There are several people on here that take credit for shutting sites down, so why would it not be right to blame them. If they take responsibility, they are the ones hurting the customers, not the sites.

If you ran an ETHICAL and LEGIT business in the first place, then you wouldn't have been shut down in the first place, this forum wouldn't have been created, and these people wouldn't be pissed off because they were ripped off. What the matrix owners don't realize is that they depend on customers for their livelyhood, and instead of providing GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, they take their money, and then tell the customers that they should have understood what they were getting into, and they are just out of luck. That is a VERY BAD business practice. By pissing off the customers, they tell other customers to avoid, and eventually they will be shut down.

Do you think if someonw went to McDonalds and bought a Hamburger and found a roach inside it, McDonalds would just tell the customer that they are out of luck? HECK NO. They will do whatever it takes to make it right, so that they will have repeat business from that customer as well as other customers that they will talk to. Get a real business, and stop scamming people out of their money.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by concerned
If you ran an ETHICAL and LEGIT business in the first place, then you wouldn't have been shut down in the first place, this forum wouldn't have been created, and these people wouldn't be pissed off because they were ripped off. What the matrix owners don't realize is that they depend on customers for their livelyhood, and instead of providing GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, they take their money, and then tell the customers that they should have understood what they were getting into, and they are just out of luck. That is a VERY BAD business practice. By pissing off the customers, they tell other customers to avoid, and eventually they will be shut down.

Do you think if someonw went to McDonalds and bought a Hamburger and found a roach inside it, McDonalds would just tell the customer that they are out of luck? HECK NO. They will do whatever it takes to make it right, so that they will have repeat business from that customer as well as other customers that they will talk to. Get a real business, and stop scamming people out of their money.

Your Mcdonalds scenerio doesnt make any sense and doesnt even apply to the matrix situation.

and the only cutomers who are getting pissed off are
1. the ones who were too ignorant to realize what they were getting into, to do a little research, and read the TOS
2. the ones who sites are closing down because you guys are on your crusade. Remember what happend to joan of arc.......

And before anyone can say it, I AM NOT A SITE OWNER, or least not yet.. I am a member of several matrix sites, I have been burned by 3 bad sites and greatly rewarded by many others. For the ones that did end up bad I am adult and smart enough to realize I have no one to blame but myself.

[hurley9192]

wah wah...little babies crying about losing money.

If you are going to keep blaming your bad investing on people that are out for the common good, then you deserve to lose your money.

People that are scam artists are quick to blame others and not accept responsibility. The rich get rich by making smart LEGIT investments and not some get rich quick scheme.

[concerned]

Originally posted by hurley9192
wah wah...little babies crying about losing money.

If you are going to keep blaming your bad investing on people that are out for the common good, then you deserve to lose your money.

People that are scam artists are quick to blame others and not accept responsibility. The rich get rich by making smart LEGIT investments and not some get rich quick scheme.

They keep blaming other people, but it is mostly the people that they scammed that they are blaming. Like I said earlier, if they didn't scam people in the first place, this never would have happened.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by concerned
They keep blaming other people, but it is mostly the people that they scammed that they are blaming. Like I said earlier, if they didn't scam people in the first place, this never would have happened.

In all of life their are bad apples. You cannot blame or seek to destroy everyone because of the few bad apples.

You guys wouldnt bother me that much if you focused on the bad sites that receieved alot of complaints and had proof of their misdoings but instead you are targeting everyone the good and the bad. Its not right or fair.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
In all of life their are bad apples. You cannot blame or seek to destroy everyone because of the few bad apples.

You guys wouldnt bother me that much if you focused on the bad sites that receieved alot of complaints and had proof of their misdoings but instead you are targeting everyone the good and the bad. Its not right or fair.

Unfortunately, that is because it is a witch hunt. They don't care who they hurt or destroy, as long as they meet their goal....

[Firegod]

I think any site is fine as long as they are not misleading in their Terms and they follow through with their agreement.

The site owner is not to blame, They state exactly how the Matrix works and it is easily understood. I agree with one of the previous posts, you should be targeting the owners who are misleading customers and not providing their gifts when appropriate, not attacking every site out there.

On a different note. I just received an e-mail from Ginix stating that I would receive a full refund. I just requested one a few hours ago. That's good service.

Anyone know of a good Matrix site to INVEST in?

we can start Matrixwatch-watch.org and complain about frivilous complaints.

j/k

[Arzel]

Unscrupulous owners are only part of the problem. The vast majority of matrix sites are based on a principle that is not a sound business practice. The basic principle only benefits the few that are early into the game. And it is a game, when the matrix sites were going strong it was not uncommon to see the various forums advertising the exact time which a new matrix would open.

Individuals would flood the site within the first few minutes hoping to be one of the first in line, and the site owners would be quick to report those early cyclers, thus hyping those individuals to get new blood into the matrix to cycle additional people. But as almost all sites have shown, that good will was short lived, and sooner, rather than later, the owner basically dissapeared from the face of the web leaving dozens if not hundreds of people out of luck.

You would ask that we separate the wheat from the shaff so to speak, and only target the bad sites. The problem with that analogy is that there is really no way to tell the difference, and it really only becomes apparent after the fact. Customers view their sites as good until they go bad.

And spare the rhetoric about those customers that are hurt because of the actions done by us and others. This work will benefit far more than those hurt by the unscrupulous owners. These sites are the dark alleys of the internet, and their eventual death is a benefit to us all.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Firegod
I think any site is fine as long as they are not misleading in their Terms and they follow through with their agreement.

The site owner is not to blame, They state exactly how the Matrix works and it is easily understood. I agree with one of the previous posts, you should be targeting the owners who are misleading customers and not providing their gifts when appropriate, not attacking every site out there.

On a different note. I just received an e-mail from Ginix stating that I would receive a full refund. I just requested one a few hours ago. That's good service.

Anyone know of a good Matrix site to INVEST in?

we can start Matrixwatch-watch.org and complain about frivilous complaints.

j/k

If you send me an email or private message I can tell you a great site to invest in....

[matrixfriendly]

Originally posted by Arzel

And spare the rhetoric about those customers that are hurt because of the actions done by us and others. This work will benefit far more than those hurt by the unscrupulous owners. These sites are the dark alleys of the internet, and their eventual death is a benefit to us all.

You are a bunch of idiots. The only reason you are in here crying, in fact the only reason this site even exists is because you did not cycle and get your little prize fast enough(poor, poor, baby). Got one one for ya baby "HYPOCRITES".

[Arzel]

Matrixfriendly,

I already asked you to change your signature because of it's derogatory nature toward certain groups of people. I have just edited it out of your post, please change your signature. This is your second warning.

Also, in response to your Hypocrite statement, I have never invested in a single matrix scheme, therefore I can not be a hypocrite.

Tone down your language you are very close to personal attacks.

[matrixfriendly]

My signature does not personally attack anyone specifically, but I guess that you calling people boneheads is alright. You are not god so dont try to act like it.

And I really beleive that you have never invested in a matrix site. You are just out to get all matrix sites because of your good nature. Yeah Right. LOL.


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[hurley9192]

if you are looking to invest, try real estate...it's a proven winner and isn't subject to pay processors shutting you down because you are running a ponzi scheme.

[Firegod]

I think I'll take my money and buy me a hooker and some booze. I wouldn't want to do something immoral like opening a Matrix Site. Atleast then I would be considered a sex-addict and an alcoholic and society would be to blame for my actions instead of me. Let's let adults make their own decisions about where their money goes.

J/K

My wife will take the money to help pay for our trip to Disneyworld. She makes the decisions in my family. If she's not happy, ain't nobody happy.

BTW, I'd like Watchdog to change the Home page poll to see how many members are for/against Matrix Sites in general. Seems like a lot of supporters on this forum.

[peterdragin]

I think you would find that most of the supporters are matrix site owners and people who are just about ready to cycle.

Another thought on matrix sites closing. If you cycled and never recived your "gift" in the time alloted by most matrix sites T.O.S.

The site owner can be prosecuted . Makes no difference if he has his funds frozen or what ever. The product was guaranteed by the terms of service, and by NOT giving you your "gift" in the required time he would be a easy target for a lawsuit. The T.O.S. can work both ways.


Here is a link to a story about an arest in waco texas. Even tho he was a 16 year old kid, he WAS arested in Waco about 3 months ago.


http://www.wacotrib.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/ 2003/03/07/1047017992.00353.4419.1113.html

[hurley9192]

I actually had a poll going about 2 weeks ago and only about 10 people responded. They were pretty much the most active users, which is split down the middle.

[bobfeltsbar]

Originally posted by peterdragin

Another thought on matrix sites closing. If you cycled and never recived your "gift" in the time alloted by most matrix sites T.O.S.

The site owner can be prosecuted . Makes no difference if he has his funds frozen or what ever. The product was guaranteed by the terms of service, and by NOT giving you your "gift" in the required time he would be a easy target for a lawsuit. The T.O.S. can work both ways.


Wouldn't the Term of Service not even be valid if this is deemed an illlegal lottery?

[peterdragin]

Either way you would be entitled to a refund, but the people who already cycled would be entitled to the amount that they cycled for.

The customer fulfilled their end of the contract, they payed for the ebooks, they cycled for the "gift", they didn't recive the gift as the sites TOS stated. There for the site can be sued for ilegal business practices.

It's an open and shut case. Like I said it dosen't matter if the site has no money or if the site closed down, you can still file a lawsuit against them. If they were a legal business they should have filled for relief under bankruptcy laws, but I don't think many of these matrix sites even have a business license.

It's as simple as this they are required by law to uphold their end of an agreement, if they do not they can be sued!

All it amounts to is sending the information to the District Attorneys Office of the city of where the owner is located, also I would send one to the B.B.B. office of that state.

[Arzel]

Matrixfriendly,

This is your third warning you will not get another.

As another note, I have never invested in a matrix site. I found out about these sites because of a friend, and after seeing what was taking place I decided to work toward their demise. I have seen first hand experience of what these schemes can do. Before the interenet was the preferred method of these schemes my town was inudated by a similar scheme which ended up taking the money of several of my friends.

I talked some of my friends out of investing into this scheme, and also saved my parents a few thousand dollars which they would have lost.

[poorme]

What Watch dogs and his crew do here is to extinguish the fire at the source. We'd better not let it engulf all the forests

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by poorme
What Watch dogs and his crew do here is to extinguish the fire at the source. We'd better not let it engulf all the forests

Poorme.....you are just full of analogies, now aren't you..........

[uwantme]

Originally posted by poorme
What Watch dogs and his crew do here is to extinguish the fire at the source. We'd better not let it engulf all the forests

Im still not sure completely what his is supposed to mean...

I take it as not to go overboard with the seeking and destroying of sites, but I know poorme hates the matrices so it doesnt make since that he would post that.... Or am I just having another blonde moment and missing something?