Team National (bign.com)

[Circuit]

Can one of y'all smart fellers take a look at this here company and let me know what ya think?

They basically have ya build two legs, and you earn $1,500 & $1,000 commissions that are payed out of the membership fees for standard and premium packages ($800 & $2200).

Thanks! :confused:

[ycchen]

Well, it looks like a MLM business based on recruiting if you want to make money. Otherwise, you could benefit from buying many discount products online.

Like any MLM, you still need to recruit to generate "passive income". The only different is that they don't sell their OWN products (like Amway), but they partner with companies to provide discount product/service for members.

So, if one member makes a purchase, the profit generated will be divided between the partner company and the Team National. The profit on the Team National side will then distribute along the MLM "pyramid" structure.

Correct me if I am wrong, bign.com seems like just another standard MLM business. :) It needs a lot of work!

[sisco50]

Don't know much about "smart fellers", but Team National is a typical MLM scenario. Last I heard, MLMs were not illegal. MLMs have many problems over the longhaul. The inability for the average person to make any money is probably due to the rate of attrition in a downline. People constantly dropping out and/or not actively participating will kill a downline in a hurry and all your hard work in building the downline is wasted. No active downline, no money earned. MLM junkies are always looking to get in on the ground floor as this is the only group that usually makes any money at all aside from the owner/owners.

[Circuit]

That's what I figured... A friend is pushing me to join... Think I'll let this one pass!

[ycchen]

Good decision, Circuit :) I totally agree with sisco50, unless you enjoy recruiting GOOD and PRODUCTIVE downline, otherwise, it is very difficult to make money in any standard MLM business.

[spootnarf]

As far as I can tell Team National has figured out a way around the downline problem. The downline is infinite instead of x number of recruits and Team National only "lets" one go two wide. Don't know much more but will keep you posted. My upline guy made $24K last month (I saw copies of the checks).

[Arzel]

As far as I can tell Team National has figured out a way around the downline problem. The downline is infinite instead of x number of recruits and Team National only "lets" one go two wide. Don't know much more but will keep you posted. My upline guy made $24K last month (I saw copies of the checks).

There is no solution to a downline problem. You cannot recruit an infinite number of people, all you can do is change the model to give the illusion of being different, when in reality nothing has really changed. If your upline guy made $24K, I would run away. It sounds like very little will be left to go around, most will probably loose everything.

[mercinary]

Arzel speaks the truth. Show me the math where a downline growth is not exponential.

-Merc

[DwannaLaree]

Please check out the August issue of "Success". The whole issue is detacated to National Companies.

[DwannaLaree]

The September 2006 issue of Success from Home is filled with stories about "National Companies" and its people. This could answer some of the questions you may have about BigN.

[Webwatch]

Hi Dwannalaree and welcome to Matrixwatch.

Please excuse my ignorance but I'm a bit new to this company so is their Success magazine available online or does it have to be purchased.

If its online could you supply the link to the magazine and I will have a look.

[lefticus]

Hi everyone, this is my first post. I just recently learned about MLM's like Team National and wanted to share some of what I've learned.

Success Magazine is one of the subtle ways that Team National is deceptive. "Success Magazine" is actually a pseudo-legitimate magazine. http://www.successmagazine.com/ (http://www.successmagazine.com). It's not where you will find info about Team National.

The magazine that Dwannalaree is referring to is Success From Home (http://www.successfromhome.com/) which is an ad for direct sellers.

I received one of these magazines from a friend. It took a few minutes to notice what was wrong with it... ah right, there is no UPC, barcode, ISBN or other publishers mark. But it does have a price of $6.95. AFAICT it's sold directly to Team National members so that they can give it to their friends.

Team National's main goal seems to be to make money off of thier members through affiliate links on their website and selling them access to websites that anyone has access to.

Check out http://blog.emptycrate.com/teamnational for the info that I have put together about this so far.

[kaycee47]

Hi folks. This is my first post. I just happened onto this site and was amazed at the negativity voiced about a company that obviously the people talking know very little about. Jason from emptycrate.com has worked hard to get his facts together. Some of his information is factual, but then he goes off the deep end of misinformation. Either he is misinformed in many areas, did not thoroughly understand what we was seeing when he watched the company dvd or else he is deliberately attempting to mislead people reading his information.
The Success From Home Magazine is available in all major bookstores and features a legitimate network marketing company each month. It can be found in the business section of your bookstore. I have purchased them from Barnes and Noble.
I read all the references to the National Companies, and am amazed at the amount of misinformation. Of course everyone has the right to their opinion. But please don't state your opinion as fact. Be accurate.
We have been with this company for approximately five years. It would take a lot of space to refute all all of the misinformation I have read here and on the "emptycrate blog". I suggest anyone that is interested, get THE FACTS about the company. Check with the Attorney Generals office in Florida and your home state, call the Direct Selling Association. Take a visit to company headquarters or call Lynda Davis. (I saw her number posted on emptycrate.com or call The National Companies and ask to speak to the President, Angela Chrysler. Just like any other business, this business is not for everyone. If you do not see where you and your family can save money, then don't buy a package. I have not seen anyone with their hands held to the fire and made to join.
Personally, our family, has saved well over $20,000 in five years on items we would have purchased anyway. This savings was through the benefit package. The Marketplace referred to in other postings is an income source, not a benefit. We have not used the insurance, which is not designed to save money, but to save time. Insurance is not discountable. As far as the jewelry, we have had every piece we have purchased appraised. Each piece has appraised at approximately .75 cents on the dollar more than what we paid and the diamond clarity, etc. was exactly what we requested. We have saved numerous ways that I won't go into here. If you want to know more, email me. As far as income. The income is there. This is not a get rich quick scam. We do get paid six different ways and if people I host work harder than I do, they will make more money than I do. The references I have read here and on the Emptycrate blog regarding income and the number of people hosted is inaccurate. What you earn is directly linked to how good of a leader you are and how much effort you put into the time you spend working your business. Let's face it. Network marketing is not for everyone, but why do people feel compelled to be so vicious. If you have failed at something it does not necessarily mean the company is bad. It just was not for you. If you have been shown this company and you have then read this blog, I suggest you go back to the person that showed you and take another look and do your due diligence before making your decision.

[Webwatch]

Hi Kaycee47 and welcome to Matrixwatch.
To be honest I'm only scratching the surface with Team National, but I keep reading reports that part of this scheme has something to do with selling benefits/Information packages which can cost around $2000 and help you save money :confused:

Theres quite a few blogs and threads out there (Quatloos has a good one) but I'm not in the habit of making other peoples opinions my own as every company has complaints even the ripoff report post apertaining to Team National could just be one disgruntled customer out of many happy ones.

I'm sure there are genuine MLM's that are not Pyramid Schemes even though some try their best to disguise themselves as one.

I also agree Network Marketing isn't for everybody in fact it takes a huge commitment to suceed in this area. If you could outline the compensation plan for us that would be great.
Also does bign.com sell any actual products or is it more of a buying club where members can get some form of discount by Team National making high volume purchases.

[Adnil50]

Hello

I would like to ditto KCee47 on all counts. She speaks honestly and factually.
Especially about Success From Home Magazine. Plus...all the folks in the magazine...I have personally met them all AND unlike corporate america...we don't have layers of people to go thru to talk with them or get their input. This is another unique aspect of Team National. By the way I had no knowledge of this company prior to my becoming a member. This is all just my experience and I am a "regular" person like most of you reading this.

I am customer and have also chosen to take advantage of the referral program. I have been a member just over a year now. I have saved way over the cost of my LIFETIME membership (and I did that in the first two months ...and I am not a big ticket spender) PLUS because I know that the worst thing someone will do when they purchase a membership is to SAVE money, I have no problem referring it to anyone. And if I can earn as well for referring something that has actual value for someone AND I can pass that on to them as well...hey ...I've referred a lot of things in my lifetime and helped a lot of other businesses however, I don't see movie theaters or whomever sending me a referral check. Networking is THE way to build business. I too am amazed at the number of negative comments generally from folks who want to tear something down. Now..if you have a PERSONAL experience from the company you are discussing great -speak truth as you see it. Comments I have seen so far with the exception of KCee's show me those commenting have no personal experience with the company they are commenting on. IF they did they would be making different comments! They would look like KCee's. Facts is facts!

I have had experience with many companies and I can tell you this company is in the top of the most ethical, honest and caring company's I have run across. It is really too bad that Pyramid and scheme have been linked together. A scheme is where there is nothing of value exchanged...
Even if you never participated in the earning side of Team you would still have an invaluable lifetime membership that covers you and 4 generations of family. And it keeps growing. The concept of "group buying power" or "volume discounting" is not new. Big companies get better pricing on things because they buy in volume. What is new is that we, the individual have those same breaks. Now we, the individual and small business are simply banding together so we too have the pricing the big guys have gotten without having to buy in volume. We buy what we were already buying but at better prices AND we purchase what we want, when we want, in the amount we want. No quotas, no monthly "have to" purchases. This is a business and family no-brainer! And the benefits keep growing but the membership price has not in the last 9 years. And if I have to buy a membership for that priviledge so what. There are discount buying houses you all know who I am talking about that have been doing that for years. Only they don't pay you to shop there nor do you have other ways of getting your membership fee back. AND you buy the membership everyyear and only YOU can use it. How many of you are a member of a CO-OP. Do you have a membership fee yearly? Do you have to also work in the co-op to get the better pricing. (some do some don't). This is not a new concept folks. WHat is new is that we now have National and local savings plus business also can have an employee benefit plan, a way to bring in new customers, lower thier overhead and have free lifetime advertising! For a small business this is amazing!

This has been the best personal and business decision I have ever made. A bonus is that I have free lifetime advertising as a small business owner AND access to a whole new market of people with a desire to truly help each other and build community. I have increased my client base, saved money and have a secondary income stream that was about half of what I made in my traditional business. I now have some hope for the future and options I didn't have before. AND it happened in one year. AND if you were working and came into this not only to save but to have a business you could have fun with and provide an income that actually pays you what you are worth BASED on the work you are Willing to do...I call that a win win.

On the business side: There are few businesses you can own that where start up cost is under $2500. And any business,to be in the Black in under a year AND save $$ AND give you time freedom and flexibility AND be in business for yourself but not by yourself AND be with a group of folks whose intent and desire is self-growth, positive thinking, giving back to the community etc. is invaluable and Rare. Profit is not a bad thing. Its what gives us a healthy economy. Gouging is different. So

Personally, my definition of a true scheme where the idea that ONLY the person at the top makes $$$ is corporate america! I have worked my butt off for many companies...where I traded time for $. No matter how hard I worked, contributed, stayed late etc. I still made only X amount of dollars per hour and often less when you count the unpaid overtime. You figure it out. Profit or paycheck. Its up to you.

I agree Network Marketing is not for everyone however it IS a legitimate way of delivering goods to the market place and is a Billion dollar industry. Why, not because it is a scheme but because NETWORKING works. Team National is unique even in this industry as, IN MY OPINION, it is the ONLY company out there (that I am aware of) actually lowering prices for individuals and businesses. This IS different than raising prices to pay out commissions (or salaries) which is the formula for most business.

So folks if you are checking out ANY company...do your due dilligence, however, talk to people with experience from the doing end not the observing end. And it helps to talk to the folks that are having success with something NOT the ones who sit on the sidelines. Misery loves company so who are YOU talking to. People that want to help lift you up and help you be as successful as they are IF you are willing to put out the same effort they did to do so. (and maybe even a bit less because now you don't have to reinvent the wheel..you can just be a part of the team and we ALL prosper.)

And with all due respect...if you want to be successful at anything...talk to the experienced SUCCESSFUL folks in the endeavor you are exploring and listen and learn. AND trust your own intuition and inner voice as to what is right for you.

PS If you want to know and understand the compensation plan then we have 2 very good DVD's that explain it. We are willing to work with sincere folks really interested in changing their lives. You are right...it does take a commitment for any business to work and this is no different in that respect. So have you shrunk your dream to meet your income. I have found a way to dream again and have a vehicle that can help me manifest those dreams.
So even if the company disappeared tomorrow(which it won't). I am way ahead of the game. I've saved more than I have spent. I have earned more than I saved. And I've increased my bottom line in my other business. Go figure!

[Webwatch]

Hello Adnil50 and welcome to Matrixwatch.

I gather from your post your quite passionate about Team National, as I said earlier I'm still just scratching the surface with this so if you could give some examples of items that you have saved money on by using Team Nationals alleged buying power that would be excellent.

[Adnil50]

Normally I do not respond to this kind of stuff because it is generally too time consuming and I am too busy acutally helping others change their lives and helping them find and the tools to do so.

However, I will be glad to give a few examples. The "alleged" buying power is not "alleged". Its a valid membership with actual savings.

I cut my road service from $85/mo to $27/mo. My auto and home owners insurance premiums are lower and I have better coverage. Saved $1100 on a memory foam bed, saving about 13% on my gas milage. Saved my dad $113 on glasses from Lenscrafters. (His bill was $285..handed them my eye card -they knocked off the $113). Office supplies, ink cartridges, art supplies I have also had significant savings. Plus there are local business I also now get discounts at like beauty salon, exercise facility, etc.
AND I only purchase things when I want, if I want and in the quantity I want. And I get cash commissions back for shopping on line with my own on line shopping mall. As I said before neither new concepts nor pie in the sky.
THey have just grouped together the best of the best. And the members are folks who have said yes it is a great Value and by us all banding together it benefits us all. It ends up costing NOT to be a member. I have recouped my membership fee in the savings alone several times over. And I have increased my own business bottom line with new customers coming to me because we want to patronize and support our local members and I have an extra income stream as well with the referral program. (which by the way is optional). I call this a win, win, win and one of the best personal and business decisions I have ever made.

So that's the bottom line. If someone has bought a package and not used the benefits, nor taken advantage of the referral program, then shame on them. Its sort of like buying a lawn mower then wondering why the grass doesnt get cut because you never take the mower out of the garage and use it. Nothing wrong with the mower. I think you see the point here!

Anyway, we are the directors of our own lives. We choose to use (not mis-use) or choose to lose...constructive critique is always valuable. Bitching is not especially from those who stand on the outside of something and point.
If you want to know about something get involved and have direct experience or if you are going to work from the observatory position then use your ears and observe successful folks whomever they are and stay quiet and learn. Be teachable.
Hope this helps.

Oh yes one more thing...what a person looks for they usually find. If you look for success, plan for success you will find success. If you look for problems you will usually find that as well. And you choose your thoughts and perspectives and beliefs. You can be a success magnet or a crap magnet. Depends on your perspective. Question is which do you want to be?

[Roto]

Ive just been introduced to this companie
A long time friend of mine has been envolved with the companie for about a year now and has mentioned it to me numerous times Everything that was on the video I viewed seems like a great way to make a very good income. But Im still skeptical. Although he asures me its for real and has shown me copies of checks he has recieved I wonder how long and how hard you really have to work to obtain that amount of income. Im not lazy 16 hour days are not uncommon to me. I just wonder if there is help in aquiring people for my downline and is there help in closing the sale Im a hard working stiff that is tired of long hours and want to do somthing that is both non labor intensive and relatively easy to learn Got any suggestions
:confused:

[Webwatch]

Thanks Adnil50 it seems you have made some good savings whether these could be obtained without the involvement of TN I don't know as I'm not familiar with the US haggling system.

In the UK we can usually get around 5-10% of a new car if we try hard enough although the dealers usually have this margin to play with so the discount is more of an illusion, I'm not sure if there is a similar system in the US but presumably there is.

Normally I do not respond to this kind of stuff because it is generally too time consuming and I am too busy acutally helping others change their lives and helping them find and the tools to do so.
Oh yes one more thing...what a person looks for they usually find. If you look for success, plan for success you will find success. If you look for problems you will usually find that as well. And you choose your thoughts and perspectives and beliefs. You can be a success magnet or a crap magnet. Depends on your perspective. Question is which do you want to be?
These two statements are pretty much the generic MLM marketers war cry or personal mantra they have picked up from attending too many presentation evenings or conference calls.

TN does seem to have quite a following and I'm sure some success stories as well as failures usually directly linked to the effort put in by the participants.

Anyone thinking of joining TN should look carefully at the savings on offer and see if these can benefit them, don't be dazzled by the compensation plan and if you are confident in your own ability's then the choice is yours.

Don't simply look for success, look for the truth, weigh up the positives and negatives and remember in a genuine MLM effort and success are always closely linked (unless your really lucky of course), be true to yourself not a pawn in someone elses game.

[Adnil50]

You state: "Thanks Adnil50 it seems you have made some good savings whether these could be obtained without the involvement of TN I don't know as I'm not familiar with the US haggling system."

Thanks...yes I have made some good savings. And will continue to do so. And I wouldn't have joined the program if I could have gotten these savings another way. Re: haggling...as far as I know haggling is generic and not country specific.

"In the UK we can usually get around 5-10% of a new car if we try hard enough although the dealers usually have this margin to play with so the discount is more of an illusion, I'm not sure if there is a similar system in the US but presumably there is."

That 5-10% negotiating room is the difference between MSRP and Dealer Invoice. So you are right in that scenario is more of an illusion. And this is the ordinary way people generally purchase vehicles. Thats where we come in. We start at dealer invoice and move down from there. Key word "try hard enough". I am sure you will agree that the 'rules' dealers use with individuals are different than the "rules" the big corporations use. You walk into a dealership and say I need a "fleet" of cars and you are going to get a MUCH better price than you or I walking in and saying I want 1. So now banded to gether we now have the level playing field of the big guys. And together we are the "fleet" but individually choose the car. And as always if you can find something at a better price then go for it. This is but one of the ways to save.

My previous statements: Oh yes one more thing...what a person looks for they usually find. If you look for success, plan for success you will find success. If you look for problems you will usually find that as well. And you choose your thoughts and perspectives and beliefs. You can be a success magnet or a crap magnet. Depends on your perspective. Question is which do you want to be?

Your response "These two statements are pretty much the generic MLM marketers war cry or personal mantra they have picked up from attending too many presentation evenings or conference calls."

In case you hadn't noticed those statements while used in the industry are not the output of Networking. You speak of "truth" in your latter statements.
these are basic truth of how mind works.

Your statement: "Anyone thinking of joining TN should look carefully at the savings on offer and see if these can benefit them, don't be dazzled by the compensation plan and if you are confident in your own ability's then the choice is yours."

Exactly what I said in my 2 statements you said were MLM mantras.

I was using this information and advice long before I ever came across the billion dollar networking industry. That is because it happens to be true. OUR Thoughts are things and the ONLY thing we truly can direct, change or control. As a man thinkith....this is Universal Law. You might want to watch a movie called The Secret...about the Law of Attraction. It it how Mind works. Plain and simple. The reason why people tend to ridicule this is because it put the responsibility for Everything that you have in your life back to YOU. What you think about the most happens first AND what you think about expands. So it requires you to stop living life Unconsciously and start living with awareness which precedes change. Most people are sleeping through life thinking they have no control or say in what happens. Hello...time to wake up folks. Situations are neutral. It is how you respond or react that determines what YOUR life is like. You really ARE the director of your "play" so is it a tragedy, comedy, drama? Your choice.

"TN does seem to have quite a following and I'm sure some success stories as well as failures usually directly linked to the effort put in by the participants."

BINGO...and this is true of anything in life ...not just TN. There really are NO excuses. TN has a following because we underpromise and overdeliver. Its called service, caring, sharing and being real. Can the savings part benefit anyone? Yes- pretty much unless maybe you are a hermit, never purchase anything, or throw it in a drawer. Is the marketing side of TN for everyone? No of course not. Many people want to follow their heart however, they could still use the savings. Also, It requires effort...and frankly a good many people want security at the expense of their freedom. They would rather be paid slaves. Not being judgemental..its just a fact. Many have forgotten or do not realize the power of their thoughts and dreams. It is simple but requires commitment and a dream or vision for what you want out of life and a choice of which vehicle you want to use to get you there. This just happens to be a great vehicle however to get somewhere you still have to get in the driver seat and drive. I'd say its the 80/20 rule again. 80% of the people would rather be passengers - 20% want to be drivers. Even in our industry.. 80% are perfectly happy just being customers. Great. The other 20% are willing to sacrifice, put out effort to go for their dreams and have chosen this vehicle because THEY want to be the drivers of their life not someone else. instead of some other profession or corporation) Neat thing is you are not driving alone yet it is still your car. There will be someone on your team willing to travel with you. If your host doesn't want to then find someone on your team who will. ANd I guarantee you will find someone who will.


"Anyone thinking of joining TN should look carefully at the savings on offer and see if these can benefit them, don't be dazzled by the compensation plan and if you are confident in your own ability's then the choice is yours."

Couldn't have said it better myself. Back to choice...those MLM mantras again :) This is exactly what I tell people. You always want to ask the question....Would I use this product or service if there was NO compensation plan attached. This is the first time I was able to say yes. Thats how you know if you have a winner and maybe even a goldmine.

And that is why I have no qualm about sharing this with folks because I know that they will save way more than the package costs in their lifetime (unless perhaps they are about 90, no family and not buying anything.) But then again, as the premium package is a one time fee and covers 5 generations of family and up to 5 employees if you have a business,....I figure it ends up costing you NOT to own a package. They will recoup the package price even if they never refer it or choose to earn on the income side.

"Don't simply look for success, look for the truth, weigh up the positives and negatives and remember in a genuine MLM effort and success are always closely linked (unless your really lucky of course), be true to yourself not a pawn in someone elses game." (oh you mean like in corporate america? where you are a number not a person?)

Of course! Based on your description I guess that makes us genuine. Last time I lookes this was a basic truth in LIFE ...is not specific to MLM. Change your thoughts and attitudes and it is amazing how the world around you begins to look and act different. It is true in ANY business. There is no free lunch anywhere. Luck has nothing to do with it ...Luck is effort and vision put into action. That old saying we reap what we sow ...sow apples you get apples...plant weed seeds you get weeds and the "seeds" start in your mind. (which is back to the money magnet or crap magnet) Your belief system determines your outcomes...
Victim attitude...I am a pawn. (Victim mode: blame, excuses (commonly callled reasons), denial)
Victor attitude...we all start at the beginning and move toward being king, queen (or whatever...using the chess analogy) (Victor - ownership, accountability and respond-ability (responsibility) )

The reason why the majority of the people don't understand Networking is because Networking is a Service industry. And a leadership industry. THe more you help others on their path to success the more successful you become. If you are following your passion and helping others realize theirs you cannot help but be successful. Majority of people have lost sight of their dreams, have no passions, are content with mediocrity...then there are those who want something else. There is nothing wrong with prosperity. The more you have the more you can empower others. The more you can contribute beyond yourself.
ANy successful business person KNOWS service is the key to financial and business success. Especially true in the Networking industry.


now in response to: Everything that was on the video I viewed seems like a great way to make a very good income. But Im still skeptical. Although he asures me its for real and has shown me copies of checks he has recieved I wonder how long and how hard you really have to work to obtain that amount of income. Im not lazy 16 hour days are not uncommon to me. I just wonder if there is help in aquiring people for my downline and is there help in closing the sale Im a hard working stiff that is tired of long hours and want to do somthing that is both non labor intensive and relatively easy to learn Got any suggestions

Lets see now...You are working 16 hour days now....how has that been working for you?
Are you still just over broke (job). Were his checks more than what you have been making? Did he make his checks in less time than you make your $$. Is he working 16 hour labor intensive days? You saw something on the video that made sense to you...you were given verbal and tangible evidence from someone who had worked the simple system you get taught. Did you ask him how much time he put in to receive those checks. Did you ask if he was willing to help you/assist you in training? Did you ask him if it was a simple learning process? And if you did..why would you not believe him. One package sale is not going to make or break him. He has every reason to be honest with you. He cared enough to offer you a way to improve your life because you said you WANT to improve your life. Again...You saw something that made sense... Hellooo...You must have a reason for even looking. If you were truly happy doing what you are doing you wouldn't even have looked. Sooo ...if you always do what you always have done then doesn't it make sense you will always get what you always got? You say you are still skeptical...WHY? would be my question.
What I wonder is if you have those questions why not ask the person who showed it to you? Why would you ask someone who has no experience or personal knowledge of TN (or it could be anything you question) to answer questions they cannot. Unless you are just looking for someone back you up in your own doubts.

Skeptism is fine - it causes you to ask questions. However when you get an answer go for it. If it is just an excuse to keep from changing then its just that, an excuse disguised as a "reason" for NOT doing something different. Yesh..if people would put half as much energy into believing that something COULD work rather than all the reasons why it might not or will not work imagine how much further ahead we all could be. This is not rocket science folks.

Change requires effort. Motion is life. If you are tired then perhaps you have stopped living. Perhaps you have shrunk your dreams down to the size of your income. Perhaps you have been trading hours for dollars way to long. Perhaps you are working for money instead of making money work for you. Money is a great slave but a terrible master. Anything ringing any bells here?

"I just wonder if there is help in aquiring people (does this mean you want your host to go out and get folks for you? Or are you planning on helping in the building of YOUR business?)for my downline and is there help in closing the sale Im a hard working stiff that is tired of long hours and want to do somthing that is both non labor intensive and relatively easy to learn Got any suggestions"


Team support, training, help in closing, easy to learn - in a word..yes. Will your host or teammates empower you and work with you ...yes...will they do it all FOR you ...no...this is not a welfare system. And if your immediate host is not assisting you then call some other team members and find one who will because someone WILL. This is the best team support company I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot).

Non-labor intensive....hmmm depends on what you view as labor. You don't state what you have been doing. But if you have been working 16 hours/day and are still broke then I'd say anything you did would be an improvement. If you are looking for a quick fix - look elsewhere. This is a 1 to 3 year plan (or 1 to 10 year plan-up to you) depending on how fast or slow you want to go and what you want out of life. Personally I don't know of any business with this low of a start up (if you are looking for a business) where you can get a return on that initial input way more than you put out and you can do that just in the savings part...let alone the income side. (PS I will add here that I know folks that have been so excited that they built their teams quickly...its up to you.)

I can tell you my experience. I paid for the cost of my membership in the savings alone in the first 3 or 4 months. I gained new business in my other business increased my bottom line there plus I had an income that paid off a third of a double digit credit card debt. All in the first year. I do business anywhere my cell phone works (which is pretty much anywhere). I meet super people, successful folks, folks from all walks of life. Have made numerous friends and aquaintences and to date have had no complaints from any of my team that I am aware of. The success has been my work AND great support from both my teammates above and the ones I have hosted.
We really are a different concept than the rest of the industry and are unique in this industry as we are the ONLY company out there whose mission is to LOWER prices and Increase VALUE.

What you saw on the video are real people like you and me. HOw do I know? I have met most of them. You say you are tired of working 16 hours for someone else. Well you are working for you now ...big difference. How good do you want to be to yourself-boss?

Talk to the person who showed you the video. If it is working for them it can work for you if you do the same kind of action they did. Pretty simple. If you are looking to dabble and expect HUGE returns then this is the wrong business for you. This is a business. It is a Service industry. The more you focus on helping others succeed the better you will do. Also, if you don't like people then this is not the vehicle for you. This is a people business. You will end up with friends. There will be ups and downs. There will be nos and yes. There will be days you want to throw in the towel and days when you are celebrating like a wild man...you are in business for youself but not by yourself and we all benefit in the journey. It truly is a united effort.
My question is why would you want to do this? What would you use the income for? How prosperous (on all levels) do you want to be? How big is your vision or dream. Or do you have one. Thats the place to start.

If you want suggestions for success and new direction then ask for suggestions from people who have the kind of life or success you desire. Do not go asking folks who have no experience or understanding of that which you seek. If you wanted to be a musician would you go to a janitor or a news writer to ask if they have suggestions on how you could be a successful musician? You are probably a bright guy....look inside first then seek.

Make sense? Anyway ...what you see is what you get with TN. No fluff,
no hype. Just common sense. The more folks that group together to purchase goods the better the pricing will be for all. That simple.

And we are well paid to refer because we are the ones putting out the effort to share with others. Simple but not easy. However, it is rewarding on manylevels because you will grow on many levels in this journey. I heard it best described ....This is a self-growth journey disguised as a business. That has been true for everyone I know as well as myself. So if you are content, want to maintain the status quo, eat, sleep follow the leader and die then this is not the vehicle for you. If you want to embark on a journey that will cause you to grow and expand your world...then lets go. And let go big or go home. Motivation is directly proportionate to the bigness of your dream.

[Webwatch]

Hi Adnil50 even though we are looking at this from totally diifferent perspectives-I'm a bit sceptical and your on the inside promoting its good to see we have some similarities in our posts.
i.e. Success takes effort and these MLM/Pyramid selling programs aren't for everyone.
Your statement: "Anyone thinking of joining TN should look carefully at the savings on offer and see if these can benefit them, don't be dazzled by the compensation plan and if you are confident in your own ability's then the choice is yours."

Exactly what I said in my 2 statements you said were MLM mantras. Not quite the same-You use Success or Crap making the reader think they are either going to be successfull or fail based on their way of thinking, and also a rhetorical question at the end (of course everyone will say success over crap), but there is more to it than that, effort, personal skills and a bit of luck all play apart as well and only through individual knowledge of ones own abilities can a real choice be made. Thinking positive is great but unless you are capable of weighing up the negatives as well (no matter what the individual who is grooming you says) then you could be easily lead into something that you later live to regret.

As TN at first glance seems nothing more than a Buyers club with a Pyramidal compensation recruitment plan that costs $2000+ to join what many new potential members may worry about is the high initial cost, so is there any way to join without paying $2000 up front bearing in mind that a chunk of that money will go to the person who recruited you or the person above them.

A lot of people may be attracted by the high income possibilities of TN and removing the security of a normal job to go it alone in and Pyramid selling system should be carefully thought through, ideally it should be possible to do both in case after joining you find its not something that you can be succesfull at.

Personally I wouldn't join, but thats just me as it always seems strange to me why you would want to recruit a long line of competitors who are all trying to do the same, obviously the compensation plan makes this appealing but then thats what its all about.

[CMSolution]

My personal experience with Team National is this...
I am a 22 yr old college student who is able to be successful in this business because of the system we use and the help of everyone else involved, upline, downline, and crossline. I saved $1,100 on an engagement ring that I found at the local jewelry store in my town, and this went to this company to buy the same ring wholesale. I then had it professionallly appraised and it appraised at over 1.5 times what I paid for it. Because of this company I was able to give my wife a better ring than what I could afford otherwise. I have also cut my phone bill from $60/month to $16.95/month. I have saved on brake pads for my truck, gasoline, insurance, etc. I just recently saved $1500 off of an extended warranty on a new truck that I also saved on. By refering this business to some others I was also able to pay for our dream honeymood to the Cayman Islands, and let me say, I would not have been able to do this without Team National. Since then, I've started paying off credit cards and student loans as well as many other things. I am by no means rich but I am better off than I was before just from a few hours a week. This business has done alot for my family (retired my Father, who makes a lot of money, but that is his story to tell) and if I don't make another penny or save another dime, it has been a great investment. If there were one thing to say, Team National may or may not be for you, but that is for YOU to decided, don't get on the internet and look for answers, let the person showing it to you get you the facts and ask them the questions that are on your mind so that they can be answered.

[Arzel]

My personal experience with Team National is this...
I am a 22 yr old college student who is able to be successful in this business because of the system we use and the help of everyone else involved, upline, downline, and crossline. I saved $1,100 on an engagement ring that I found at the local jewelry store in my town, and this went to this company to buy the same ring wholesale. I then had it professionallly appraised and it appraised at over 1.5 times what I paid for it. Because of this company I was able to give my wife a better ring than what I could afford otherwise. I have also cut my phone bill from $60/month to $16.95/month. I have saved on brake pads for my truck, gasoline, insurance, etc. I just recently saved $1500 off of an extended warranty on a new truck that I also saved on. By refering this business to some others I was also able to pay for our dream honeymood to the Cayman Islands, and let me say, I would not have been able to do this without Team National. Since then, I've started paying off credit cards and student loans as well as many other things. I am by no means rich but I am better off than I was before just from a few hours a week. This business has done alot for my family (retired my Father, who makes a lot of money, but that is his story to tell) and if I don't make another penny or save another dime, it has been a great investment. If there were one thing to say, Team National may or may not be for you, but that is for YOU to decided, don't get on the internet and look for answers, let the person showing it to you get you the facts and ask them the questions that are on your mind so that they can be answered.


So what you are saying is just trust the word of someone showing it to you? "Just trust me...it will make you money"....how often have people heard that before? That sounds like the advice of a scammer.

One of the great things about the internet is the ability to check out everything and see if it is a scam or not. Not saying that TN is a scam, but as a downline builder, the potential for moneymaking is very low.

[CMSolution]

The internet does not allow you to check things out and find out if they are a scam or not. These posts are most of the time biased to those who have been burned...when a person searches to find out about a company, this is the only thing they find. The people who have been burned by other companies, or just didn't have it work for them, those are who post on these sites. The majority of people who are successful with a company, are not going to be on the web posting and defending their business, it is a waste of time. My point, is the internet is biased one way or the other, only a certain group responds. Ann Landers asked readers, "If you had it to do over again, would you have children?" A few weeks later, her column was headlined "70% OF PARENTS SAY KIDS NOT WORTH IT." 70% of the nearly 10,000 parents who wrote in said they would not have children if they could make the choice again, but these were only the people who felt strongly enough to write in a response. Do you really think 70% of parents would say that is everyone was polled. NO, only those certain one even respond. The interenet only gives you the view of the ones who actually respond...unfortunately for network marketing, the ones who respond are those who didn't do very well in whatever they got involved in.

[Webwatch]

Hello CMSolution,
The internet does not allow you to check things out and find out if they are a scam or not.The Internet can be a very usefull tool, of course there will be varying opions and personal prejudice in relation to every topic, but some basic due dilligence can be acheived by carefull use of the internet and the resources it provides which can help avoid scams and those who wish to profit of the gullability of others.

The interenet only gives you the view of the ones who actually respond...unfortunately for network marketing, the ones who respond are those who didn't do very well in whatever they got involved in.A slight contradiction this as by posting that you are pleased with Team National you disprove your own statement.

Whatever the Internet can or can't do, one of its major strengths is to allow Critics and promoters to come together and openly discuss online money making ventures, whether they are for everybody or not one things for sure there are many falacies about MLM's and there success rate. Of course if Team National has provided you with these massive savings we need to make some direct comparison as to how much can be saved without joining.

For example: How did you save on Gasoline and how much, was it a discount card that only TN members can use or some other method.

[CMSolution]

Yes, I agree that the interenet can be useful tool, I just know that some people get on and read the first post and make a decision based off of that. But you are right, used correctly there is a ton of information to gain. The internet is very useful for those who do their due dilligence, my point was that most do not. I did not make my original post in order to get into it with anyone, I was just telling my personal story with the hopes that someone might read it as well as the negative ones toward Team National, and merely decide to look further into it without making a decision based on the first thing they read on the internet. I'm a very satisfied customer, and do very well marketing Team National. If it is not for you, so be it, I just wanted to let everyone know that there thousands who are satisfied like me and do very well. Thanks.

[concerned]

If there were one thing to say, Team National may or may not be for you, but that is for YOU to decided, don't get on the internet and look for answers, let the person showing it to you get you the facts and ask them the questions that are on your mind so that they can be answered.

Oh, so you are saying to ONLY listen to the person selling you the pitch, and not anyone else. Is this so that the sales person can lie without the victim finding out that they are lies? Since you admitted that you get money for bringing others in, are you trying to get people to not do the proper research to see if it really is legit? I can't believe you would say this. If this really was legit, you would encourage searching out the truth, not shielding the information.

[concerned]

Yes, I agree that the interenet can be useful tool, I just know that some people get on and read the first post and make a decision based off of that.

So what. Let them make the decision based on the first post they read. You still wouldn't be concerned if they didn't use that company in any normal circumstance, but in your case, YOUR profit suffers if they believe the first post. When I go to ebay, the first thing I look at is negative feedback. I could care less if they had possitive feedback. It is the negative I look at, because if they have a problem, I don't want to have to live through the same problem.


The internet is very useful for those who do their due dilligence, my point was that most do not.

Actually, your point wasn't that people don't do due dilligance, your point was that they SHOULDN'T do due dilligence, and instead take your word as gospel.

I did not make my original post in order to get into it with anyone, I was just telling my personal story with the hopes that someone might read it as well as the negative ones toward Team National, and merely decide to look further into it without making a decision based on the first thing they read on the internet. I'm a very satisfied customer, and do very well marketing Team National. If it is not for you, so be it, I just wanted to let everyone know that there thousands who are satisfied like me and do very well. Thanks.

Or maybe you were hoping that your post was the one and only post they would read, and then hand over their money. If you are a satisfied customer, then why do you have to tell everyone else. I don't tell people when I am happy. Only when I have a problem. In fact, positive testimonials are as big a turn off as negative ones are to me in some cases.

[CMSolution]

Thanks for reminding me why people who are successful with network marketing don't spend there time on these posts arguing with people like you. I know that Team National is a great business, lead by great people, and has been more than great for my family. I hope each person out there can find something that can do as much for them as Team National has for me. Thank you for your time in letting me share but I don't think this is where I was intending to go with my original post, I just wanted to share my story for the readers and now I've done that.

[concerned]

Thanks for reminding me why people who are successful with network marketing don't spend there time on these posts arguing with people like you.

Actually, the reason people who are successful with network marketing aren't here to argue with people like me, is because there are not many successful people period. Most of the ones who are "successful" did something illegal, and the rest are lucky one of the losers haven't hurt/killed them yet.

[Jen10272]

OMG....I've never posted on anything like this before, but you people are killing me. I checked out this site only because my sister told me about it. I AM a member of Team National, just to get that out of the way from the get go. I'm not here to start an argument with anyone. In fact I'm not even here to promote TN to any of you. I just want to say that I am amazed by the negativity of people over something they obviously don't understand or for that matter WANT to understand. As Adnil50 stated "this business is not for everyone". If you haven't seen the details of the company, you have no right to pass judgement. If you have and you are still skeptical or are simply not interested, for god's sake, DON'T DO IT. Our "pitch", if you will, is as simple as that. If you have seen the details and are intrigued, dig deeper. I can't understand the animosity I've read here tonight. And for those of you who have been on here defending TN, I just want to add, I'm fairly new at marketing this, have been using the benefits for a while though, and I'm very happy with everything I've encountered so far. I'm excited to know their are others who are too. I wish you luck and continued success.

[lookingforfacts]

I really am just looking for facts...and no one seems to have them...those for and those against team national. Biggest fact thus far, a friend had me watch the dvd today - I asked to see the compensation plan in writing. The guy told me he didn't know if they had it in writing, but they'd give me a realy good dvd that outlines it. EVERYTHING in 2007 is in writing somewhere! Every attorney would insist upon it. Fact 2, went to website, I wanted to see for myself the discounts available. Withou actually joining, you can't see the discounts, you can only take the word of other who are trying to get their money back.

[Webwatch]

Hello lookingforfacts and welcome to Matrixwatch.
Whichever side of the discussion you prefer one thing hopefully we can all agree on is that its neccessary to weigh up the savings on offer by Team National before even considering the Biz Op side.

If any Team National members can supply verifiable savings and price comparisons and other benefits that TN can offer please do so.

It should be easy to supply at least one unique discount that TN has available that cannot be obtained elsewhere.

[TigerMan]

If TN is so reputable why is it that they change there name every 2-3 years??
check with the SEC
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101216/000111650203002403/0001116502-03-002403.txt

Team National = SCAM

[Jen10272]

When our CEO first bought the company it was under the name of 'Focus Financial Group'. He changed the name to 'Nationwide Companies', but in 2001 found out about an insurance company listed under the name 'Nationwide' and there were copyright issues. It was at that time that the name was changed to 'National Companies'. You asked why the name was changed every 2-3 years, we have been 'National Companies' since 2001, that's 6 years under the same name.

[TigerMan]

"in 2001 found out about an insurance company listed under the name 'Nationwide' and there were copyright issues"...what ever you say ..
I guess Nationwide Insurance did not exist in 2001.
ok.."National Companies"...what are these companies??
your guys only sell 1 product..1 vitamin....Please.
Smells like dook, Looks like Dook....IS DOOK!!!!
"hey drink this"..Jim Jones

[MatrixWatch]

This site was recently submitted to the MatrixWatch.com WatchList (http://www.matrixwatch.com/watchlist/bigncom_team_national_companies)

Let's see how many flags it gets from the internet community.