Quickmatrix and smartermatrix [Archive]

hurley9192

July 22nd, 2003, 04:37 PM

On matrix-news.net, there is someone complaining about quickmatrix.com shutting down and that the same guy started a new site, smartermatrix.com.

Bigstarr, who is only concerned about the customers, told him to bite the bullet and that they made a poor choice. That's pretty good support for your faithful..."too bad"

They use paypal, so it may be easy to get them shut down. We need to stop this guy because it seems like he's flat out scamming people. Anyone else get taken by this guy?

tcb1969a

July 22nd, 2003, 04:47 PM

Well, first off, this is only speculation and until you have further proof of this, I suggest not doing anything. Unless this site of course is not about Justice.....as it claims to be............

Secondly, no picking on BigStarr when she is not around to defend herself.....

mikv

July 22nd, 2003, 06:06 PM

Does that mean that matrix-sites.net is back ONLINE?? They were down all day today, at least I couldn't connect and I also checked a couple of minutes ago and the site doesn't come up.

tcb1969a

July 22nd, 2003, 06:07 PM

There still down....

mikv

July 22nd, 2003, 06:09 PM

I got the two confused...they were talking about matrix-news not matrix-sites.

breathe

July 22nd, 2003, 08:41 PM

I also, reluctantly, bought in on QuickMatrix...the site looked worse than a elementary school collage.

I was able to get a refund from Ginix, no one had cycled on any of the product lists; not sure about the cash matrix's though.

breathe

poorme

July 23rd, 2003, 12:22 AM

If hurley is true, how will we stop him?
There may be other unknown scammers doing this.

MatrixWatch

July 23rd, 2003, 12:38 AM

Actually, there are a lot of site owners who do this.

poorme

July 23rd, 2003, 01:46 AM

How do you know that Watchdog?!
You have evidence?
I ask the question on behalf of matrix supporter.

With cheap evil-book and crook seller, I wonder how far the matrix will go? Too many bad apples.

MysticX23

July 23rd, 2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by watchdog
Actually, there are a lot of site owners who do this.

please provide some evidence to back it up.

peterdragin

July 23rd, 2003, 02:43 AM

Same guy here are posts from another forum. They found out real quick.

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BigStar

July 26th, 2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by hurley9192
Bigstarr, who is only concerned about the customers, told him to bite the bullet and that they made a poor choice. That's pretty good support for your faithful..."too bad"

Hurley its a lot more then just "biting the bullet" There are more factors involved to my reply in his post and you know it! My post was in response to his comment on FREEZING the StormPay....

Bottom line................

1. Its just speculation that the two site are related. He has no solid evidence and neither do you.

2. He was thinking about freezing the stormpay account, which isn't necessarily the right choice! (Yes it is something the Matrix Watch people do) I still think its wrong to just freeze accounts without actually making sure if your speculations are correct! You will shut everyone out! Everyone will lose when you freeze an account!

3. All investors need to be SMARTER with their monies! Read the site carefully, Get a feel of it, Understand everything, Do the research! Then make a final decision on buying from the site or not. Should be more responsible with your money right? From what i have seen in the posts he was well aware of the ugly site and he knew they did look very similar yet he still bought into it...

Problem is when we know how a matrix site works.. everyone wants to be the first to buy from the site cause we all know that means you'll cycle faster. You shop even when the site is just HORRIBLE or doesnt even have a domain name!! Why do you act so surprised when you get robed? lol Wasn't it obvious??? Be more responsible with your money! Not all sites are bad but these bad sites have made it so hard for those that are GOOD!

That's all I have to say about that... :cool:

tcb1969a

July 26th, 2003, 01:59 AM

Well....it's about time you joined on this forum, BigStar, I am constantly being hammered on this site. So good to see you on here, now maybe the attention will be taken off of me....lol

Agent|Star

July 26th, 2003, 02:04 AM

LOL its on!
As usual you and I are defending the system!

tcb1969a

July 26th, 2003, 02:07 AM

Yep.....as usual.....lol

tcb1969a

July 26th, 2003, 02:11 AM

In fact if you noticed I am the most active user on this board. I have more posts than Watch Dog himself. Reason being is defending one self against a pack of wolves does tend to give one more activity in the posts.....

Of course, I have to admit they haven't kicked me off of the site, so at least I do get to put in my 2 cents in defending the matrix community.....

peterdragin

July 26th, 2003, 07:53 AM

Nobody gets kicked off if they don't flame anybody or use profanity.

It's a real open forum and both sides are welcome, it's always fun and informative to get some good debates going, and this site will never be a closed forum like others out there. There is nothing to hide here.

Glad to have you BigStarr, there should be more site owners represented here.

tcb1969a

July 26th, 2003, 08:01 AM

Yes there should be more site owners on here, so I can get a rest......lol

peterdragin

July 26th, 2003, 10:35 AM

You don't want a rest you enjoy every minute of it.

tcb1969a

July 26th, 2003, 10:53 AM

Yes......perhaps your right.....lol

hurley9192

July 26th, 2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by BigStar
Hurley its a lot more then just "biting the bullet" There are more factors involved to my reply in his post and you know it! My post was in response to his comment on FREEZING the StormPay....

Bottom line................

1. Its just speculation that the two site are related. He has no solid evidence and neither do you.

2. He was thinking about freezing the stormpay account, which isn't necessarily the right choice! (Yes it is something the Matrix Watch people do) I still think its wrong to just freeze accounts without actually making sure if your speculations are correct! You will shut everyone out! Everyone will lose when you freeze an account!

3. All investors need to be SMARTER with their monies! Read the site carefully, Get a feel of it, Understand everything, Do the research! Then make a final decision on buying from the site or not. Should be more responsible with your money right? From what i have seen in the posts he was well aware of the ugly site and he knew they did look very similar yet he still bought into it...

Problem is when we know how a matrix site works.. everyone wants to be the first to buy from the site cause we all know that means you'll cycle faster. You shop even when the site is just HORRIBLE or doesnt even have a domain name!! Why do you act so surprised when you get robed? lol Wasn't it obvious??? Be more responsible with your money! Not all sites are bad but these bad sites have made it so hard for those that are GOOD!

That's all I have to say about that... :cool:

The funny thing is that you call them investors, which is BS. These people are just in there to get something cheap because all the advertising tells them that they will cycle faster if they buy in.

If these sites are really just scams, then their account needs to be frozen. You won't be hurting anyone because they were going to get scammed anyways. Maybe, this way, they can get their money back instead of losing it and be made whole again.

Besides, according to matrix-sites...it isn't speculation anymore.

Agent|Star

July 26th, 2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by hurley9192
The funny thing is that you call them investors, which is BS. These people are just in there to get something cheap because all the advertising tells them that they will cycle faster if they buy in.

If these sites are really just scams, then their account needs to be frozen. You won't be hurting anyone because they were going to get scammed anyways. Maybe, this way, they can get their money back instead of losing it and be made whole again.

Besides, according to matrix-sites...it isn't speculation anymore.

"Besides, according to matrix-sites...it isn't speculation anymore." I haven't read up about that but anyways I just want to remind you again... During the time of my FIRST post it was speculation!! =o)~~

Also... in regards to your comment "The funny thing is that you call them investors, which is BS." I totally consider matrix sites an investment. You invest whatever the amount is into a product and wait a time period to get the out-come gift. That sounds like an investment to me.

As far as freezing the individual now, yes I agree! Now is the right time to take action with freezing the account, not back when the post was made and he was only "guessing" they were the same person.

peterdragin

July 26th, 2003, 11:13 PM

Well with the current status of most matrix sites now I would call it throwing away money, not investing it.

tcb1969a

July 27th, 2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by peterdragin
Well with the current status of most matrix sites now I would call it throwing away money, not investing it.

That would be your opinion........

Agent|Star

July 27th, 2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by peterdragin
Well with the current status of most matrix sites now I would call it throwing away money, not investing it.

Thats because you are investing in the wrong sites/thing....
Just like stocks, bonds, real estate, matriX!! Investments need research! RESEARCH before yoU inveSt!!! :cool:

Arzel

July 27th, 2003, 02:10 AM

I would not call Matrix research for the purpose of investing research in the typical fashion.

What can you really research?

1.) Site layout.
a. Looks like a 4 year old set it up.
b. Looks like a college freshman set it up.
c. Looks like a legitimate company.

Looks can't tell you anything, with a few templates and a dictionary anyone could set up a professional looking site.

2.) Domain name.
a. Free site
b. Paid site

What difference does that make? You can set up a site for little or nothing even if you pay for it.

3.) Talk to the owner!
a. They answered my questions right away.
b. They didn't seem to be very honest.
c. They didn't seem to be very business savy, no plans, no advertising ideas.

What difference does that make? A good scam artist can sell you anything they want if you are interested. Greed has a way of clouding your reasoning abilities.

The point is what are you researching? When you research stocks you research the company, what has it done, what were it's earnings the last quarter, two quarters, year. What is the P/E ratio. How long has it been in business. What is the market for it's services. How is that market doing as a whole.

If research for a matrix site followed the same rules as those for stocks you would never "Invest" in a matrix site. No history to examine. No earnings, at least none that are presented to make a judgement with. Saturated market. Market that stagnates after a few weeks.

Even sites that were "Researched" extensively still does not mean anything. Cash Destination was researched by a few people extensively (eg. I talked to the owner and she seemed really nice, and answered my questions, plus they have real plans for advertising, and a merchant that will never freeze their funds). The real research should have been that this site was started by a scammer that had already shut down a previous site, but even in the face of this research most didn't believe the negative (greed taking over again).

The research is quite clear. Matrix sites will ALWAYS fail, it is their natural course.

tcb1969a

July 27th, 2003, 02:40 AM

Ok....Arzel....that was quite interesting. But flawed in its logic.

When you invest in stocks there are low risk and high risk. Those terms are not there for looks either. You can really lose big in the stock market if you don't know what you are doing, just like you could lose money at a Matrix site if you don't know what you are doing. Both require researching. You research the site's testimonial, how long has it been online, and many other things. Then when you feel comfortable you go with the site you think would be a wise investment.

Also let me clarify something, I am also a Matrix customer. And I have never lost money at a Matrix site. I have in fact made money at several Matrix sites. How? By doing my research...

Arzel

July 27th, 2003, 03:26 AM

Why would you trust the testimonial? I could come up with quite a few scam testimonials if I wanted. Plus someone has to start the site, someone has to get in first, not everyone can wait to see if it is an honest site. How do you judge those sites?

If you really have made more than lost then you must have been one of the first to get into a site, therefore your logic does not follow. Plus you can't use how long it has been online, most of these sites only last a couple of months, and the ones that are still around don't move much after a few months so you would not be very smart to join them either.

Very rarely does a business sell stock on the exchange that does not already do business, with the exception of all of the new websites in the late 90's, and we see what happened to most of them.

What are some of these sites that you cycled on? Are any of them still up and running? How long did you wait before joining the site?

Think about this:

Regardless of how great a site it, at least 50% of the people that join will never get anything, so in the end at least 50% of the people in that site will think that the site is bad because they will never get their free gift. In the end the majority of the population will view EVERY site as bad, and that is one of the reasons there is such a minority of people such as yourself still trying to hype the matrix.

Yes, we all know that you are not just a matrix owner, but a customer as well. Perhaps you should put that on your site, kind of like the hairclub for men. "I am not just the owner, I am a customer as well" :)

tcb1969a

July 27th, 2003, 04:17 AM

Well....lets see here Arzel....I have cycled on:

CashMoneyMatrix
ElectronicMatrix
Imatrix

And a few others I can't think of right now. And those had been open a little bit before I got in. With the exception of one maybe. In anycase as far as seeing how long one has been online, you don't have to be one of the first ones to cycle when it opens. If it is a good site, they could possible open another list, for which I would get on that list.

You just have to know what you are doing. Granted, I'm on a couple lists right now that are not moving, but I have made more than I have out there right now.

Oh and your last paragraph was amuzing. I got a big laugh out of it. Perhaps I should put that on my sites.....hmm......lol

hurley9192

July 27th, 2003, 04:06 PM

the biggest reason you cycled wasn't because it was a good site though, it was usually because you find out when a site is going to open and get in first. In an investment, like a stock or bond, it's not necessarily the first one in that profits, that's the biggest difference.

Not to mention that stocks and bonds are regulated and held to very strict rules about reporting, so you have a ton of info that you can rely on. Plus, they are certified by a CPA and audited.

To call your matrix sites investments, you need to be held to standards of reporting and auditing, like all other true investments in this country.

So, is a church or charitable donation, a bad investment? Since most of the time, you don't get anything tangible in return?? Just because you pay money to something and hope to get something back, doesn't make it an investment.

Agent|Star

July 27th, 2003, 05:22 PM

I'm not gonna read everything posted lol... Thats much to much...

I didn't say look at the appearance of the site because we all know appearances can be deceiving! Arzel is right, the site owners can write up all the testimonials themselves, hell even sites with forums they have the ability to edit the posts. I also agree with hurley, just because you've cycled doesn't make a site good (especially if you cycled on day one of launching, we all know a hype was created, you were one of the first, and thats the real reason you cycled).

Anyhow you can email site owners before you send any monies.
Ask them questions! All businesses should provide contact info, real names, address, phone numbers, and more. If the matrix site you want to INVEST in doesn't want to share that info then by all means don't INVEST!! That is obviously VERY RISKY!

Ask them all kind of questions, if they can't provide you with any professional answers you know you've found a site you shouldn't send your money to.... Probably be good to expose that site since its bad business... THAT'S HOW YOU RESEARCH!!!!

If you find a bad site LET EVERYONE KNOW!

tcb1969a

July 27th, 2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by BigStarr
I'm not gonna read everything posted lol... Thats much to much...

I didn't say look at the appearance of the site because we all know appearances can be deceiving! Arzel is right, the site owners can write up all the testimonials themselves, hell even sites with forums they have the ability to edit the posts. I also agree with hurley, just because you've cycled doesn't make a site good (especially if you cycled on day one of launching, we all know a hype was created, you were one of the first, and thats the real reason you cycled).

Anyhow you can email site owners before you send any monies.
Ask them questions! All businesses should provide contact info, real names, address, phone numbers, and more. If the matrix site you want to INVEST in doesn't want to share that info then by all means don't INVEST!! That is obviously VERY RISKY!

Ask them all kind of questions, if they can't provide you with any professional answers you know you've found a site you shouldn't send your money to.... Probably be good to expose that site since its bad business... THAT'S HOW YOU RESEARCH!!!!

If you find a bad site LET EVERYONE KNOW!

Yep normally I do cycle by being the first one, sometimes not though. And even by being the first one does not guarantee that I will cycle. Just that I have a better chance. The site could still close up shop and leave. So I consider this a high-risk investment.

Also when I do research I do more than what I mentioned. Just don't have the time to list everything I do to research it, since it will all be picked apart anyways. Surfice it to say though, I have made more money being a Matrix Customer than I have being a Matrix Owner...........

Agent|Star

July 27th, 2003, 10:19 PM

There is definently more money in it when your a SMART matrix investor then a matrix owner....

Even better monies when you open up a matrix promotion site LOL! All you did is take in payments to advertise these sites...

Agent|Star

July 27th, 2003, 10:19 PM

tcb1969a

July 27th, 2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by BigStarr
There is definently more money in it when your a SMART matrix investor then a matrix owner....

Even better monies when you open up a matrix promotion site LOL! All you did is take in payments to advertise these sites...

Yes.....somewhat....though I have not had much sign up for matrix-promotions. It is still a new site, and perhaps soon more will sign up.....