YMMSS almost $50 Million behind

[surfer]

That would be almost $50 million behind their failing
attempt at maintaining a 90 day cycle.

Going back from the 3/16/05 processing, YMMSS
should be processing 12/16/04. Instead, they were
only on 10/7-10/8 purchases for cycling.

If you add up all of the processing days between
10/8 and 12/16 you get almost $24 million. Since
they say "money in = money out", that means in
order to initially cycle that $24 million, they claim
to have taken $24 million of new money in. So that
would be another $24 million needed this cycle to
cover that time period. So in order for YMMSS to
catch up to a 90 day cycle, they would have to
bring in over $48 million just to catch up.

Of course, they keep falling further and further
behind because that's how all ponzis go.

Any other thoughts?

[MatrixWatch]

And such is the problem with any scheme which is pyramidal in structure. YMMSS will eventually fall to the ground, and hopefully the victims will have already prepared themselves for it long ahead of time.

[Arzel]

Good point Surfer.

But I think it is even worse than that. The $73 million or so they claim to have paid out seems to be mostly on paper. I would be surprized if they have even paid out half of that in actual cash, plus I find it hard to believe that the average member has invested over $3,000 each (the amount required to have paid out $73,000,000 with a base of 22,000 members.

I think YMMSS is probably closer to $80 or $90 million behind at this point.

[surfer]

Well Arzel, just for the heck of it I was taking all the
numbers at face value. ;)

Most believe actual payouts are around 1/4 to 1/3 of
the amount stated.

If one were to believe the payout stats, then the
average member is spending over $300/month.

[surfer]

Well, as of yesterday's processing, YMMSS is now
about $60 million behind.

For those YMMSS members hoping that cycle times
wil be somewhere close to 90 days by late summer,
YMMSS would need to bring in over $100 million for
that to be accomplished in the next 90 days, which
is about 5 times what they are currently averaging.
On paper, anyway. :rolleyes:

Just to stabilize them for the next 182 day cycle
would only require over $50 million, but then
YMMSS would need to bring in well over $100 million
for the next 182 day cycle.

Why can't people grasp this simple math? :head:

[surfer]

One last time on the old system just for
fun. lol lol

As of Monday's processing, a 90 day
cycle time would be paying out 8/2/05.
But they are only paying out 10/30/04. :rolleyes:

From 10/30/04 to 8/3/05, there was
$52,446,067.58 in commissions "paid".

In order to catch up, YMMSS would
need a payday of almost $105 million
if you multiply only by 2. But if you
use the normal factor of about 2.2,
you see that they would be a little
over $115 million behind. lol lol

Of course that would be $115 million
needed just to get back on track at
90 days. Let's look at the totally
absurd amounts that would have been
needed to maintain a 90 day cycle
for the last year.

On 10/30/04, cycle times were at
90 days and they were paying out
for 8/1/04.

From 8/1/04 to 10/30/04 there was
$25,285,522.00 "paid".

For YMMSS to have maintained 90
day cycle times over the next 90 day
period ending 1/28/05 they would
have needed to "pay" out over $55.6
million. They "paid" about $27.6
million. $28 million short. ;)

The next 90 day period would end on
4/28/05 and the total needed would
have been about $122.4 million. They
"paid" about $17.5 million. About $105
million short.

The next 90 day period would end on
7/27/05 and the total needed would
have been about $269.2 million. They
"paid" about $7.1 million. Over $262
million short.

That would bring us to 10/25/05 and
that 90 day period would have needed
to show over $592.3 million as "paid".
YMMSS "paid" about $4.3 million. So
that period only fell about $588 million
short.

Adding it all together we see that for
YMMSS to have maintained the 90 day
payouts that the system was "designed"
to do would have required commissions
"paid" to be around $1.04 billion from
10/30/04 to 10/25/05. YMMSS "paid"
about $56.3 million in that time frame.

So the little "technical glitch" as Jim
Hakim likes to call it means YMMSS
fell around $984 million dollars short
of maintaining cycle times in the
90 day "design".

Wow, a $984,000,000.00 "glitch".

Too funny. lol lol :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Designed to last generations, huh? :head: :head:

[lionking]

So what?

lol lol lol

We will be paid HUGE $1-$2 per $320 position weekly!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[AvidA]

I don't think anyone but Kim and his cronies, will be paid at all. He has become less and less accessible. Now he won't even take questions on the calls. They are delaying what should be an easier process than what they're making it- all the while stopping the payouts 2 days a week at least. No, I don't think anything's going to happen except them getting ready to up and "up" us all. Won't the cheerleading squad feel like *******s? That part will be funny to me as they all ARE *******s.

[bilim]

Cheerleaders will keep cheerin FLO and PIPS still have cheerleaders.

[AvidA]

Cheerleaders will keep cheerin FLO and PIPS still have cheerleaders.
You've got to be kidding me. :crazy: :rolleyes:

[surfer]

I don't think anyone but Kim and his cronies, will be paid at all. He has become less and less accessible.
Nope. Kim would be a total fool to stop paying
and try to run off.

His scam has been brilliantly run. During start
up and at the peak of the ponzi, he was able
to rake in between 60%-80% of every dollar
of actual cash that ran through the system.

Now that the ponzi has stalled and his income
is shrinking, he can cleverly avoid prison by
going to phase two and launching a slightly
more legitimate looking enterprise and only
taking 22% of the revenue.

He has surrounded himself with very articulate
"leaders" who know how to keep the flock in
line.

When the whole paid to read thing flops and
ad credit values drop instead of rise, he will
have the option of trying some new scheme
on his followers.

By then, they will be hoping that the majority
of affiliates will have been programmed to not
expect the multimillion dollar "outside" revenue
sources that are supposed to be appearing
the first quarter of next year and in July to
materialize. They will of course blame the
unknown sources for their failure.

If Kim gets away with it, it's because the
affiliates let him get away with it.

Here are a few reasons why he isn't in
prison where he belongs.

A large portion of the affiliate base is the
HYIP/doubler/autosurf/ponzi crowd. These
are habitual speculators that know all of
these "businesses" are nothing but scams
that will inevitably fail. They try to get
in and get out ahead of the game with
profit.

They know playing the ponzis is a win
some/lose some scenario. They hang out
at the various HYIP/money making forums
trying to get in the scams early enough
to turn a profit. Since they are nothing
but little criminals, they have no incentive
to turn in the big criminals.

These members also have such a low
level of expectations because they are
so used to seeing the scams they are in
simply vanish. Even though Kim lied and
made many empty promises, they don't
view him as a scammer as long as he
continues to send a few pennies their
way and doesn't shut down.

Then you have the early birds who made
a killing. Some are the typical speculators
mentioned above.

Others are actually true believers in Kim
Inman. They saw the ponzi working as
"designed" for a while and are buying into
the idiotic "technical glitch" crap that
figureheads like Jim Hakim and Esto are
spewing.

The brilliant design of the ponzi itself has
probably been the biggest thing that keeps
Kim out of prison. Just compare Kim's
ponzi to Bryan Marsden's PIPS ponzi. In
PIPS, Bryan made the mistake of allowing
people to make withdrawal requests at
any point after a certain period. In YMMSS,
you always had to wait until your position
"cycled".

YMMSS is actually further behind in payments
than PIPS, but because Kim ran a doubler
ponzi based on cycle times as opposed to
the more traditional investment ponzi like
Marsden did, he has taken less heat.

With the high quality spinners he has on
his side, Kim continues to stay under the
radar....perhaps. Marsden's peope weren't
as good as Inman's.

[AvidA]

surfer, your words there are almost verbatim in places to the sentiment that Barren_Cross just told me not two weeks ago. So, what do us middle/low end people do?

[surfer]

If you've made your complaints to all of the
proper authorities, you have done more than
probably 99% of the victims in these ponzis
do.

After that, it really comes down to how hard
one wants to crusade.

Some people would try to get media involved,
talk to authorities, etc.

I'm sure it would be a frustrating process at
times to carry out.

I believe I mentioned to you before that once
the new system is officially out and I see how
it's going to be promoted, I will try to get some
input from somebody in one of the regulatory
authorities. Easier said than done. :rolleyes:

Simply do what you feel is in your best interest.
If that means moving on, then that's what you
do.

New scammers crawl out from under their rocks
every minute of every day. The battle can never
really be won. We can only try to slow them up
a bit and occasionally get some placed in proper
government provided housing. lol

Some of us will continue to try and educate
potential victims of the flaws in all of these
scams and how they hurt people.

We all have to choose our path.

[ycchen]

I agree with surfer. STA is Kim's exit plan. He is not serious about getting any killer adv to suck in 100 millions! No way.

Turn an OBVIOUS doubler-ponzi into a still-doubler-but-not-so-obvious STA is really a clever move from a scammer's perspective.

The only people that can stop him is the victims themselves. After deducting all those "ponzi-neutral" speculators who is no better than the scammer himself/herself, I believe we still have a lot of victims in the YMMSS/STA scam.

If we can have one victim who is willing to act as a representative of YMMSS victims to collect evidence of the transaction. Put them together and file the complaints to all the authorities as a group. I think that might just get a criminal investigation going against Kim.

www.it4us-scam.com is doing a good job in kicking of an investigation in New Zealand. Now they are going to do another one for the U.S. customers.

There are countless scams floating on the market everyday. Unless the authories see some "collective action with significant lost of money" , otherwise, they will just let it pass.

What Kim and his gangs are doing is to divide their followers into supporters and naysayers to prevent them from filling massive complaints. Without a collective action, Kim is safe, and he knows how to play this game very well.

YMMSS is really a good potential case to get justice. Here is why.

1) The amont of lost is very large! (surfer or dreamer might be able to give us an estimate)

2) The number of victims is over 10,000, and most of them are in the U.S. (Can someone give us a profile of the members? I guess not).

3) We have the real identity of the scammer and his physical address (this is a must for any investigation to take off)

4) Kim might still have money invested in real estate (e.g. his new mension). A class lawsuit lawyer might be interested as well if KIM still keep the money and assets.

5) We have the true identity of his hardcore promoters or partners or employees, right? (If not, we better make sure we have those information, cause they are major witness)

We only need one victim to help collecting all the transaction information, enter the data into a spreadsheet, and file the complaints (together with copy of all victim's information) collectively.

We can also raise some money for this victim to do this work, like copying, mailing, calling...etc.

Of course, we can wait until we are completely disillusion with the STA ... that's probably most people are still hoping for...

Fine, we just wait and hope KIM's scammed money is still tracable after everyone realize how ridiculous STA is.