YMMSS April EPC Drive and Contest

[surfer]

With cycle times now up to 170 days and no
end in site, what better way to attempt to
slow down the sinking ship than to con
members into parting with more of their
money with a contest.

Starting today through April 30, each new
EPC purchase gets the member an entry into
a drawing that will reward them with 1 $10
EPC every day for 1 cycle from the end of
April.

Funny, when my company has sales contests
and promos, I don't have to spend a dime to
win. :head:

[Arzel]

This is sickening. YMMSS must really be hurting with regards to cycle times to put forth this little scheme. It will be interesting to see how much of a dent the cycle times will see. One thing is certain, cycle times will explode when the these purchases become due.

I really like the way the contest is worded, for as much as YMMSS claims to be an advertising business, it is marketed as a contest for a huge potential income. Starting to sound more and more like a matrix scam every day.

[surfer]

This is sickening. YMMSS must really be hurting with regards to cycle times to put forth this little scheme.

Yeah, you'd think they wouldn't need to bother
attempting this little gimmick since the servers
should be up any day now to allow daily processing
without taking the site down. In addition, the
retail ad site is supposedly ready to go.

It will be interesting to see how much of a dent the cycle times will see.

Hey, maybe cycle times will only go up 18 or 19
days instead of 22-25 days in April. ;)

One thing is certain, cycle times will explode when the these purchases become due.

Do you think YMMSS will be around long enough
to cycle positions purchased this month? Cycle
times have gone up 60 days in 3 months, so they
should be around 190 by April 30.

Unless there are some dramatic results when the
new servers are implemented and the retail site
is launched, I can see many more people losing
confidence.

I really like the way the contest is worded, for as much as YMMSS claims to be an advertising business, it is marketed as a contest for a huge potential income. Starting to sound more and more like a matrix scam every day.

LOL, we both know that the advertising is just a
front for the ponzi.

Here's the full announcement for those interested
April Promotion!
01 Apr 2005 - K-ADMIN
April Promotion!
How would you like to win a new position each and every day for a complete cycle?

To enter, simple make a NEW PURCHASE any time between April 1, 2005 and April 30, 2005. You will receive one entry for each new purchase you make. Your YMMSS order number assigned to each purchase during processing (can take two days for processing during the week and 3 days on the weekend) can be reviewed in your backroom when you select from the menu item “MY YMMSS” and then select “EPC Purchases”. Your ticket number will be “Order #”.

One lucky winner will win a new $10 position each and every day for a complete cycle. In other words, the winner will receive a $10 position each day until the 1st position cycles.

If someone purchases 32 EPCs in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.
If someone purchases 16 EPCs in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.
If someone purchases 8 EPCs in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.
If someone purchases 4 EPCs in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.
If someone purchases 2 EPCs in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.
If someone purchases 1 EPC in one purchase, they will receive one (1) ticket.


Do the math and check out the income you could have once you reach the “Recurring Income = $320” level.

Good Luck!

Kim

Please Note: The Staff of YMMSS and their families are not eligible to win. This includes children, brothers, sisters, mother, father, and children.

[ycchen]

It does not surprice me because EPC sales IS the only income for this notorious ponzi/pyramid scheme. This lucky draw incentive is just a sign that YMMSS is running out of steam, OR worst of all, Kim is executing his exit plan --> opening YMMSS door for the last donantion (no pay out) for the last time :(

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2502
5. A sudden big incentive to speed-up purchase, for example 80% discount for purchasing EPC ..etc.

[Arzel]

OR worst of all, Kim is executing his exit plan

I was also thinking this. :(

Do you think YMMSS will be around long enough
to cycle positions purchased this month? Cycle
times have gone up 60 days in 3 months, so they
should be around 190 by April 30.

No I don't. Purchases made in April based on current cycle rate increases would put the payout past October, and I don't see YMMSS lasting past the summer.

[Arzel]

Something occured to me last night. I was thinking about the YMMSS situation and the new contest that they have installed. YMMSS has just broke a federal law, and for such a smart company with such a smart leader you would think they would realize what they did.

This contest they started is an illegal lottery. By forcing everyone to purchase to enter and selling tickets (epc's) over state lines they have broken several laws.

How does everyone think they will deal with this situation when they realize their mistake?

[Dreamer]

Please Note: The Staff of YMMSS and their families are not eligible to win. This includes children, brothers, sisters, mother, father, and children.

What about children? are children eligible?

You guys mentioned about him breaking the law...can they bust him since he signed his name to it, and not the name of the company, or is that a stretch?

[Arzel]

Well he recorded his own conversation explaining the whole thing, and it has been spread across the globe by his fellow YMMSS members. I would say he signed his own fate.

The actual phone converstation is actually more imcriminating "This is going to make some lucky member a millionaire."

[surfer]

I had thought about that as well, but I'm not familiar
with the exact laws that would cover this.

I've always found it very difficult to find links to exact
laws that govern much of this stuff.

[ComplexKid]

What can be done, realistically? People's money is locked into ever-increasing cycles, so it isn't like they can take it out and leave. I know warning new people away from YMMSS is a good thing--but what about the current members? Somehow just saying 'you've been had' seems both counterproductive and cruel.

The ones who've done well--they aren't going to take any legal action--might cost them their profits. Nor will the true believers who got in late and dumped in thousands before realising things were going pear-shaped--too much emotional investment, they have to believe. They're villifying forums like this, and may end up putting in even more money to prove how wrong we are (I hate it when that happens, but I've seen way too much of it to rule out the possibility).

The folks who mostly do need back their money are the ones in the least position to have resources to get it back. As far as I know, Kim has assets in Switzerland, Germany, and Belize, and the people for whom a few hundred or a few thousand dollars is the difference between having a roof over their head or no don't have the money to go tracking down assets. A lot of them are aware of what's going on by now, but posting in the YMMSS forum would only get the posts deleted and possibly ruin what little chance they have of being able to cycle out--part of the terms now state that you can't say negative things about YMMSS.

I'm not sure that breaking a United States lottery law is going to be enough to get international co-operation to investigate this mess. At the same time, nobody wants to see Kim getting away with millions in stolen funds. As for the 'children' thing--I'm sure that meant adult children, e.g., relatives--they don't allow minors to join, so that would like as not be a dead end.

Suggestions? Anyone?

[Arzel]

It is definately not an easy problem to solve. The main thing that can be done is to hope enough people start to realize that YMMSS is a ponzi scheme and that it will fail eventually.

A large number of members buy new positions every week, some people have been buying positions every day! The weight of the pryamid is already causing cycle problems, and an unknown number of people have been stoping their regular purchases waiting until cycle times go down.

You can see the fatal flaw in this logic, the more people that stop buying the faster the system collapses in a domino effect. I believe this is the reason Kim started up this contest, he is trying to get those members to start buying again, and start buying a lot.

I know warning new people away from YMMSS is a good thing--but what about the current members? Somehow just saying 'you've been had' seems both counterproductive and cruel.

This is a great point. When writing posts directly or indirectly (like this) I try to phrase my words as if I am talking to a really good friend. The first step is try and explain why it is not going to work. Most members almost develop a cult like attitude toward these schemes, and it can be difficult.

When I was quite a bit younger, a pryamid scam ran through my home town while I was in college. I came home for a weekend and found out about it and how my brother and some of his friends were starting to get involved, and trying to get their parents to invest as well. I spent a good few hours talking my parents out of it, and convincing some of brother's friends to get out as quick as possible. I heard through my brother a few weeks later that some people in my home town ended up losing quite a bit of money, but a lot of people didn't invest because of people like me (I wasn't the only person saying don't do it, but as more and more people say "don't do it!" it can make a difference.)

Unfortunately, thousands of people are going to lose money, and there is not much that will be able to be done to return any of that money to them. You are right about the people on the top, they are certainly not going to do anything, except maybe complain that people like us are ruining their buisiness. Hopefully some of those on the bottom will quickly realize that it is not going to work and stop throwing money into this, and similar, scams. And hopefully many people will decide not to get involved at all. Even though people will lose money, the more quickly this scam dies, the fewer people that will be scammed.

The lottery aspect could open up some legal avenues, at least for Americans. YMMSS has always been a ponzi, Kim even refers to the cycle lines as a Matrix within some of their "How this works" FAQ. All they have done now is pushed it a little bit further toward the illegal lottery aspect.

[boytoy]

i thought the same thing when i saw that contest.

[numbersman]

Hasn't Empowerism been using the contest strategy since the end of last year to entice more members to their downline? I think YMMSS is copying Empowerism.

[surfer]

Something occured to me last night. I was thinking about the YMMSS situation and the new contest that they have installed. YMMSS has just broke a federal law, and for such a smart company with such a smart leader you would think they would realize what they did.

This contest they started is an illegal lottery. By forcing everyone to purchase to enter and selling tickets (epc's) over state lines they have broken several laws.

How does everyone think they will deal with this situation when they realize their mistake?

Well Arzel, your question has been answered. The contest wording has been changed.

See, and they say sites like this don't serve a purpose. ;)

01 Apr 2005 - K-ADMIN
Last edited by K-ADMIN, 03 Apr 2005
April Promotion! - For Affiliates Only!
How would you like to win a new position each and every day for a complete cycle?

No purchase required. Every affiliate in good standing is entitled to one chance regardless of number of positions held.

The winner will receive one (1) EPC position each day until the 1st position cycles.

Please Note: The Staff of YMMSS and their families are not eligible to win. This includes children, brothers, sisters, mother, father, and children. Void where prohibited by law.

Good Luck!

Kim

[Arzel]

:)

Interesting. Although I don't know which is more interesting, that they changed the wording, or that a small group of volunteers could have such an effect.

I also see that cycle times are up to 173 days, which doesn't boad too well for the April contest. I expected cycle times to at least stay at 170, maybe even drop a day with the introduction of the contest.

Regardless of all this, I think their contest is still boarderline illegal since you must be a member in good standing which equals having had purchased EPC's.

I also like the "Void where prohibited by law" statement, that is a nice touch.

[boytoy]

cycle times will top 200 days imo