Last week the matrix forums were active on the topic of a recent arrest in Texas. He

[poorme]

Last week the matrix forums were active on the topic of a recent arrest in Texas. He was a juvenile who was allegedly running a matrix site with his parent's credit card.... .

Can we call the police and get them to arrest some fly-by-night ebook-matrix owners. Especially those sites which did not pay out the gifts because their cycles were not yet completed?

Do we have to wait for the lawsuit to be clear?


I hate taking others' money and calling them FOOLS!

[Agent|Star]

Are you suggesting to just call the police on any old site?

[Arzel]

Contact the Attourney General of your state and the state which the site is located.

[peterdragin]

No just sites that have cycled people and they have NOT recived there money or gift.

They are guilty of Fraud and Illegal Business Practices, this is what they aressted the kid in waco Tx. for.

It makes no difference that the customers money is frozen or not, any body who starts a business better have funds to cover their business for a least a year, because very few make any money in the first year.

This is common practice for starting a new business. I know when I started my enginering firm I had money in the bank to cover operating expences for a year, Even then it was touch and go for the first two years. Finaly the books started to get into the black and I was off to the races. I sold this business and another one a few years ago and retired without having to worry for the rest of my life.

Most of the people who start these Matrix sites NEVER even think about this and we are now seeing the results, Matrix sites folding up all over the place. The whole comcept of the Matrix site is flawed to begin with the numbers will catch up with them sooner or later and they will fold up anyway.

[uwantme]

This may be answered somewhere already but I was wondering....

How come Shelby hasnt been arrested yet? I mean police, fbi someone has had to of heard about the lawsuit, has seen the tv interview, seen the MSNNBC story and everyone knows where he lives so it isnt like they have to track him down... I heard reports that they havent supplied members who have cycled their free gifts, that names mysteriously disappear off the lists, they add fake names etc... Now personally I havent seen any proof just heard people say so but with all that bad business and publicity how come Shelby hasnt been arrested yet?

[uwantme]

Just bumping my previous post up. I really would like an answer to it if anyone has one.....

[mikv]

It does make you wonder. My opinion would be because these sites haven't been officially deemed "illegal" and until that time I don't think that law enforcement is even looking too hard into it. The matrix community as a whole is in a sort of "grace period" until then...If it is declared illegal then I'm sure jail will be the case for every matrix site owner. As well until the site closes for good, there is still a chance for shelby to turn it around. Even though the lists are way too long and he probably will never be able to, as long as the site is open and he handles business the right way, they might give him the benefit of trying to "prove" his system can work. Even though we all know it doesn't, he still gets the chance to try.

[peterdragin]

Not enough people have complained yet, but that is changing fast. When the Gulfport Missippi B.B.B. gets enough complaints they will turn it over to the Gulfport Police Dept. This is what happened in waco Tx. and the kid was arested.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by peterdragin
Not enough people have complained yet, but that is changing fast. When the Gulfport Missippi B.B.B. gets enough complaints they will turn it over to the Gulfport Police Dept. This is what happened in waco Tx. and the kid was arested.

Yes but the kid was stupid in Texas and brought it on himself....

[MatrixWatch]

Please post the contact info for the Mississippi BBB.

[tcb1969a]

Sure here....

Better Business Bureau
P.O. Box 3302, Ridgeland, MS 39158
Office Hours: 8:30 - 12:00 / 1:00 - 3:30 Monday - Friday
Phone: (601) 977-1020
Fax: (601) 977-0704
Toll-Free (in Mississippi): (800) 987-8280
E-mail: info@mississippi.bbb.org

[uwantme]

So if everyone calls them and complains then Shelby will be arrested too? What about his company supposedly being offshore now? Can they still arrest him? I heard that if its run off-shore like porn sites and casinos then they are legal and there is basically nothing the law can do about it..

[peterdragin]

I don't think that will help him because all this came about before he went INC. I think only did that to try to save his butt from future lawsuits.

[spydrman]

I am one of the people who cycled in March and never received anything in return. I was told June 15th as Ginix would release the funds the first week in June, and then they decided to freeze the account. Then I was told as money comes in from money orders and whenever this new payment processor comes into place and takes orders. The people who cycled first would receiver their item, and I believe people who cycled in late January are still waiting. At this rate, I don't see this money coming to me anytime soon. It was on the $500 cash matrix right when it opened and only money orders were being accepted at the time that I paid. It's not like I can go to a payment processor and request a refund or I would have done that by now.

Personally, I would rather take my $157.50 and get out of this whole deal. (EzExpo charges you 5% just for paying by money order, which is a joke). I'm done with matrix sites for good, and I don't see how these sites can gain new customers when the old customers are not happy and would never recommend anyone they know to buy into this scheme. I upheld my end of the bargain and cycled, and i'm guaranteed to receive this money. Ezexpo on the other hand has not upheld their end of the deal.

[peterdragin]

You can file a complaint with the B.B.B. they have an online complaint form.

Here's a link to the B.B.B. of Missippi.

http://www.bbbmississippi.org/

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by spydrman
It was on the $500 cash matrix right when it opened and only money orders were being accepted at the time that I paid. It's not like I can go to a payment processor and request a refund or I would have done that by now. Personally, I would rather take my $157.50 and get out of this whole deal...

I know exactly how you feel, and this is exactly why Matrix Watch was started. I believe that we have good reason to be optimistic.

[spydrman]

I hope this gets the BBB's attention. Complaint has been filed, let you know how it goes. It said to allow three weeks processing time for your complaint. Here is my complaint in full:

I cycled to receive $500 on the cash matrix March, 2003. According the FAQ on the ezexpo.com website, i'm guaranteed to receive this money after cycling through the matrix program. I paid $157.50 for useless e-books to join this program ($150.00 + 5% processing fee to pay with a money order). To date, I have received nothing except broken promises. Originally, EzExpo's owner said June 15th they would receive the money from their payment processor to pay out everyone who cycled. That date has been pushed back numerous times since a lawsuit has been filed against them by a customer who was denied a refund, and supposively the payment processors frozen the funds pending the lawsuit because they were added to the lawsuit. I was told by the website that no refunds would be issued, so I would either like my $157.50 back or the $500 that I cycled for. I feel lied to and scammed, I paid and cycled through the program and i'm guaranteed the $500 amount. EzExpo.com has not upheld their end of the deal. I know of many other unhappy customers at http://groups.msn.com/matrixforum and http://www.matrixwatch.org - These are the message boards related to matrix sites. I would like my name and personal information to remain anonymous with ezexpo.com as you look into this matter. Thank you!

Desired Settlement:

I want my original amount that I paid for the ebooks refunded ($157.50) or the money I cycled for and have not received, which I am guaranteed to receive according to the ezexpo.com site.

Product or Service: ebooks with a free $500 cash matrix attached
Payment Made: Yes
Purchase Price: 157.5
Payment Method: Money Order
Primary Complaint Classification: Guarantee or Warranty Issues

[poorme]

Anybody know at least how many people are required to push BBB in action?


How about the fly by night site that contains less than 20 people????


When this "catch-me-if-you-can game gonna be over. !!!!!1

[peterdragin]

I don't know but I would think they would all go into a national database of complaints.

The B.B.B. has a national organization and keeps records of all types of complaints.

[mikv]

It is really a toss up on whether or not the BBB gets involved at all. They will assign someone to look into it and it's up to that representative to determine if further action is called for. I would suggest finding out who that person or persons are and start sending them as much material as you can. If they have to do the researching, it will take forever and they might not even get around to it. They would also need alot more than just one complaint to really get them to look into it.

[concerned]

Originally posted by mikv
It is really a toss up on whether or not the BBB gets involved at all. They will assign someone to look into it and it's up to that representative to determine if further action is called for. I would suggest finding out who that person or persons are and start sending them as much material as you can. If they have to do the researching, it will take forever and they might not even get around to it. They would also need alot more than just one complaint to really get them to look into it.

The better business bureau doen not conduct any research. All it does is take any complaints and try to find out if they are legitimate complaints. They will contact the company and ask questions. If they get no response, they will note that in their database. Once they have enough complaints, they consider them a bad company. They would never research the matrix concept at all. All you need to do is contact them and tell them what your complaint is.

[peterdragin]

This is an excerpt form the article on the kid in Tx. who was arested.
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The way such deep discounts were possible, the sites said, was through a "matrix system." Customers would purchase a report about a product for a fee and then their names would supposedly be placed on the matrix. When enough other people signed up for the same matrix — a number ranging from 10 to 50 people — the person whose name was at the top would then get the item.

Police began investigating the case in early February after the local Better Business Bureau received calls from people who had purchased the reports but not yet received the items. The Hewitt Police Department was the initial agency on the case because a post office box where customers could send payments was in Hewitt.
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Police got involved when the B.B.B. told them of the problem.