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grimm666
May 12th, 2005, 01:26 PM
:head: :confused: i just joined matrixwatch today , so i dont know how it runs yet ,but there is another pay-site, called 'StormPay' this is the site that 'power2source.com' charged me through. i would appreciate any help regarding how to file a claim against 'StormPay'. :confused:
mercinary
May 12th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Stormpay is one of those companies that has allowed Pyramid schemes in the past. Their T.O.S. claims the following:
17. Get Rich Quick" Schemes: Get Rich Quick Schemes are prohibited resell items by StormPay. Get Rich Quick schemes include any type of self-employment, start-up businesses, or investment opportunity where the claims of profit or returns on investment are unrealistic or unsupported. By law, if a business opportunity costs $500.00 USD or more, the promoter is required to support any claims regarding earnings or profits with written documentation.
Pyramids don't pay. StormPay Inc. and the Federal Trade Commission caution consumers about clubs or programs that promise quick money for recruiting new members. Don't bank on the pyramid promise that someone else will pay you. For more information on get-rich-quick schemes, visit the FTC at www.ftc.gov.
19. Activities not allowable. Your information and your activities, including payments and receipts of payments, through the StormPay service shall not:
1. Be fraudulent in nature.
2. Involve the sale of counterfeit or stolen items.
3. Be misleading, false, or inaccurate.
4. Infringe on any third party's copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other property rights or rights of publicity or privacy.
5. Consist of providing yourself a cash advance from your credit card or bank account, or helping others to do so.
6. Contain child pornography. StormPay does not permit the sale of photographs of children whether they are nude or otherwise. "StormPay will not tolerate ANY type of child exploitation"
7. You may not use StormPay to send or receive payments for any "adult" or "sexually oriented" materials or services. How does StormPay define "adult" or "sexually oriented" material? "Adult" or "sexually-oriented" material includes, but is not limited to: >Any visual representation of human genitals presented in such a manner as to suggest sexual activity;
Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans;
Any materials which require that individuals be eighteen (18) or older (depending on the jurisdiction) to view or purchase those materials;
Any non-textual materials clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader, including adult phone or audio services;
Any items which, because of their nature or because of the item description, appear to be designed for use in sexual/adult activity;
Escort services
Any items which depict human sexual characteristics in a degrading fashion;
Any item that portrays frontal nudity will normally be treated as "adult" material.
8. Be defamatory, trade libelous, unlawfully threatening or unlawfully harassing.
9. You may not use StormPay to send or receive payments for any form of multi-level marketing programs (including online payment randomizers), as well as matrix, pyramid and Ponzi schemes, "get rich quick" scheme, or other similar ventures.
10. Pyramid schemes, including Gifting Clubs and Ponzi schemes, involve the exchange of money in relation to the process of enrolling other people into the scheme. StormPay includes in its definition of "pyramid schemes" any system in which a hierarchy is created by people joining under others who joined previously, and in which those who join make payments to those above them in the hierarchy ("upline"). Pyramid schemes are prohibited as a form of investment fraud by federal laws and by the laws of each of the fifty individual states. StormPay considers online payment randomizers to be a type of pyramid scheme because the majority of commissions are paid for recruitment of new members, and typically operate by random placement within the program.
11. StormPay prohibits as a "matrix program" any business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for the purpose of being added to a waiting list for a product. In these instances, the individual at the top of the list receives the product only after a set number of people have joined below any other person.
12. Violate any law, statute, ordinance, contract or regulation, including, but not limited to, those governing financial services, consumer protection, unfair competition, anti-discrimination, or false advertising.
13. Contain any viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs cancelbots, easter eggs or other computer programming routines that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or other personal information.
14. Be related in any way to gambling and/or gaming activities, including but not limited to payment or the acceptance of payments for wagers, gambling debts or gambling winnings, regardless of the location or type of gambling activity (including online and offline casinos, sports wagering and office pools), with the exception of payments for gaming transactions that are expressly authorized by law in the jurisdiction of both the sender and the recipient of the payment.
15. Create liability for us or cause us to lose (in whole or in part) the services of our ISP's or other suppliers. If you use, or attempt to use the Service for purposes other than sending and receiving payments and managing your account, including but not limited to tampering, hacking, modifying or otherwise corrupting the security or functionality of Service, your account will be terminated and you will be subject to damages and other penalties, including criminal prosecution where available.
16. MONEY TRANSMISSION: StormPay.com is intended to use as a method to purchase or resell your products/services, and is not engaged in money transmission. Any account found using the service for any purpose other than purchase/sell use will be terminated.
17. StormPay reserves the right to determine at any time if StormPay wishes not to allow any activity which is not listed here.
This is actually news to me, as the last time I checked, they had a clause that stated something like "we are not responsible if you use our service for matrix/pyramid schemes".
This may also be of interest to you:
https://www.stormpay.com/stormpay/user/about_us.php?v=pp
Long story short, you should <a href="https://www.stormpay.com/stormpay/user/user_login.php?err=6&redirect=L3N0b3JtcGF5L3VzZXIvY2xhaW1zLnBocA==">file a complaint with Storm Pay</a>. Of that doesn't work, then start filing complaints with the agencies listed in our "File a Complaint" section.
-Merc
DaveyBoySmith
May 12th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Stormpay are the WORST payment processor of them all. They even started life as a matrix. Try emailing them tho and you will NOT get a reply. Absolute ****.
jokach
May 12th, 2005, 07:02 PM
I think they are an offshore payment processor, aren't they?... i think thats why they act and do as they please .. because they aren't really bound by any 'laws' as we know them.
DaveyBoySmith is right, I remember when they were a matrix site, can't remember the name though ........ (obviously it didn't work out for them either ..)
jokach
MatrixWatch
May 13th, 2005, 01:56 AM
Stormpay was started by the owner of the very first matrix site, TYMglobal.com
mercinary
May 13th, 2005, 06:47 AM
Jokach,
They are located in Tenn. (not offshore).
-Merc
jokach
May 13th, 2005, 07:18 AM
Not to take it off-topic, but which of the payment processors was offshore, i'm sure there was one somewhere ...
jokach
sigx97
May 13th, 2005, 10:43 AM
grimm-
This might be of some intrest to you
http://matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1705
MatrixWatch
May 14th, 2005, 01:37 AM
Not to take it off-topic, but which of the payment processors was offshore, i'm sure there was one somewhere ...
jokach
Jokach, Stormpay is based in the U.S., but I've heard that their accounts are held offshore. This makes it more difficult for lawyers to track down the assets.
grimm666
May 31st, 2005, 01:28 PM
:applause: thank you all for the info , but now i cant seem to log-in to the website 'stormpay.com' , i keep getting the window that says 'could not access this site please try again later' . :confused: what is going on?is there any other way to get in to the site ,or to file a complaint? :confused:
mercinary
May 31st, 2005, 06:42 PM
The site is working OK for me. Try again?
-Merc
sigx97
May 31st, 2005, 09:18 PM
I was getting a "Unscheduled Maintinance is being done" earlier.
Bob Williams
June 1st, 2005, 03:42 PM
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Stormpay is actually illegal or banned in Tennessee?
http://www.comparerewards.com/archives/000452.html
johntre
September 25th, 2005, 06:56 PM
Just to add...Stormpay and NetIBA are the same company, too. People have lost money on SP because they weren't NetIBA certified---(how can a corporation with the same agents verify funds for the same agents?)
Call your attorneys! I'm still searching for one for my case. Visit http://www.mystormpaylawsuit.com and be sure to pass it on!!!!! You might want to think about closing those StormPay and NetIBA accounts while you're at it before you lose your money!!! :(
mercinary
September 25th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Johntre:
You might be interested in some of Stormpay's history. As I recall, they actually ran an illegal Matrix scheme, which flopped. They then became a payment processor. At first they prided themselves on supporting matrix schemes, but as the heat got turned up, they changed their terms of service to explicitly forbid matrix transactions. If you search our forums, I expect you'll come up with some interesting hits.
-Merc
jokach
September 26th, 2005, 06:02 AM
And to add to that, Stormpay changed their attitude towards matrix sites around the the time when arguments heated up in the Paypal lawsuit (the EzExpo lawsuit), they realized that if a big payment processor like Paypal couldn't defend its position on matrix sites, a little nobody payment processor like Stormpay would never make it either .............. I guess you can say they read the writing on the wall...
jokach
concerned
September 26th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Actually I think they started Storm pay to allow people to make purchases into their pyramid scheme. I also think they were the original matrix site.
sisco50
September 26th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Just to add...Stormpay and NetIBA are the same company, too. People have lost money on SP because they weren't NetIBA certified---(how can a corporation with the same agents verify funds for the same agents?)
Call your attorneys! I'm still searching for one for my case. Visit http://www.mystormpaylawsuit.com and be sure to pass it on!!!!! You might want to think about closing those StormPay and NetIBA accounts while you're at it before you lose your money!!! :(
Closing your account is good advice. I never funded my account with them because their charges were higher than the rest. I wonder if they closed my account for me?
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