After Matrix Watch

[MatrixWatch]

With massive amounts of site closures, refunds issued, and lawsuits filed, it seems that the matrix concept will doubtfully make it through the summer, and only a few might make it through the fall. So, where should we go next?

The members here have done a fabulous job in their campaign. We have brought a cloudy issue to light, and I am totally impressed with your hard work, and clarity of though. Your actions were focused and every step, no matter how small, was significant. Where do some of you think that Matrix Watch should go next? Should we evolve into a larger "anti-net-scam" site that seeks to shut down internet fraud altogether? If so, what could we go after, and how would we do it? This is your opportunity to share your ideas.

[MaxPower]

I say hang on this matrix-only topic for at least a few months more. Lets make sure we have a great amount of control before we move on to other topics, otherwise we may lose ground... or at least slow the progress.

Ebay-watch sub-forum? Of course there are man more scams than just matricies... however, they may be harder to prove that they are scams - like these people who tell you they have a great way to get free electronics - why they say to contact the company... represent yourself as a business... and ask for free sample products.

I like the anti-net-scam idea. Also...I've always wondered about those as seen on TV products. I buy some every now and then. Some are junk... some are really good.

Scams are all over.

[MatrixWatch]

You make two very good points. I agree with what you said about staying with Matrix Watch for a few more months. In fact, I plan to make Matrix Watch a priority for at least the next 6 months, or until a couple months after the lawsuit is finished.

I also agree with the many areas that we could choose to focus our new endeavor upon. The key to a new site would be the reputation that we would bring to it from Matrix Watch. Having been responsible for the swift movement on the Matrix industry, a new site would have the recognition that other sites may not have. The question is though, what are the major areas of internet scam that would warrant our attention? We have proven to many that we can be highly successful.

[MatrixWatch]

As a side project to keep us busy while we wait for the verdict, how about these new e-gold games? I found one at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Magic6Doubler/

If anyone would like to briefly share how these games work then please do so. However, I'd still like to keep the thread open for other suggestions to the question above.

[daiski]

since it operates as a game of chance, I think you should go after every casino in North America. Statistically, a player will lose against the casino in the long run. So why don't you organize your members to do that? I lost some money to the casino. Please help everybody out by stopping them from ripping off the next gambler.

[MatrixWatch]

You have not read through the old debates of illegal lotteries vs. registered lotteries. You are taking this thread off track...

[poorme]

I saw some anti-Ponzi sites in the internet
like our anti-matrix such as

www.mlmwatchdog.com

I agree that we should wait until the
lawsuit is finalised to keep us in track.

If our side win, there should be a book entitled, " matrix is the history" for sale.

[daiski]

That was my suggestion and I don't see how it's being off track. So are you suggesting it's ok to 'scam' people as long as it is legal? I believe heroic person like you should help those who are weak and cannot resist the tempatation to gamble their hard earn money away. After all, the casino gamblers are being scammed, statistically. And you should definitely do something about it. If you do, you are actually protecting many people, family, children, marriages, etc. Througout your posts, I thought you are on a crusade to help people from being scammed. I guess I was mistaken.

[poorme]

Let's solve the problem step by step.
Right now we should focus on "matrix : the ebook". There are already other anti-scam sites. This site is doing the best job representing the one's devoting for eliminating the matrix.
We have a lot of newest members everyday.

[MatrixWatch]

Just to clarify...

If we were to move on to a new endeavor, I would not close up MatrixWatch.org. Matrix Watch would continue until the end and beyond. I just wanted to open up a new opportunity to fight against another sector of internet scam. I would like to hear the feedback of the members of where we could take it. Please share your thoughts.

[Agent|Star]

I think they will last the summer and fall.
So you crippled many sites because you created a group that spends their days watching auctions on eBay.. I really think that is why matrix has slown down the most. You basically removed the biggest form of advertising matrix sites had. There is always other options, they are raising to the occasion and will last longer then you expect.

Dont start looking for another job just yet.. we'll keep everyone of you on your toes hehehe. :D

[peterdragin]

Bigstarr let me say this, the watchdogs are not the only ones reporting auctions. When I see auctions on ebay with notes in Tiltes and descriptions stating that this is not a info / scam auction, this tells me the real sellers are reporting auctions also.

They are getting sick of these info auctions themselfs, they are taking money out of their pockets. I stopped by the forums on Ebay a few weeks ago just to see, and asked how many were reporting these auctions, the replys were overwhelming. One guy has more sellers kicked off than I do, and I am over 315 booted off.

So the blame on Matrix site slowdown is not only the fault of the dogs but yourselves (matrix site owners) for flooding Ebay with these info auctions.

If you think other ways to get the word out you still can not find ANY way to get the hits that Ebay DID supply. Yahoo is not a matrix freindly place either. ( I cruise Yahoo auctions and classifieds) They kill'em faster that Ebay.

So when you say they are rising to the occaision and will last longer that you expect, yes maybe a few will but MOST will be gone so the job gets easier. But the concept of the Matrix was flawed from the start and ALL will fail sooner or later.

It's just a shame that so many people will lose money over this scam, I don't care about the site owners, it's the little guy that
loses money that I care about.

[Agent|Star]

eBay had an area that allowed information to be sold, so many site owners saw nothing wrong with selling information on eBay. eBay took care of that however hehe especially since they own PayPal as well... Hand in hand working against matrix. That's okay eBay has the right to edit their site and make changes to anything they see fit.

I have done my fiar share of reporting things to eBay as well.
I havent spent my time hunting down these auctions or any auctions with a sole purpose of just reporting, but I have reported a matrix site for spamming me.

I don't tolerate spam and I received spam from a matrix site using eBay as the contact method. I reported that userID immediately.

:D It is deserved then so be it.

[northstar5757]

daiski:

You point about casino's is a good one even if it was meant to be sarcastic...

As a poker player I do go to casino's once in awhile (i won't touch any other game though). Even in poker though the casino is the biggest winner (because of the rake). So why do I still support casino's?

For one thing they are heavily taxed and often most of the profits go to charities or the government (just like loteries). They also have extremely strict regulations to insure that they operate in a legitimate fashion. They also employ many people but that's more of a moot point.

Matrixes do none of these. If they were regulated properly and controlled I would be in support of them. Afterall I have stated before the stock market works under the same premise as a matrix. I feel it highly unlikely that the matrix world would ever be legalized to operate though in such a fashion. and even if it was, no doubt the strict laws enforced would put most matrix sites out of business.

[peterdragin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigStarr
[B]eBay had an area that allowed information to be sold, so many site owners saw nothing wrong with selling information on eBay. eBay took care of that however hehe especially since they own PayPal as well... Hand in hand working against matrix. That's okay eBay has the right to edit their site and make changes to anything they see fit.

Ebay got rid of that category because sellers didn't want to list in that category because NOBODY looked at them.

So they listed their info auctions in every where else BUT the correct category so they would get hits, and as soon as you use a product in the title or description, they get canceled!!

Ebay didn't do this just to GET the matrix sites as you seem to think..

[MatrixWatch]

Members,

Look at the title of this thread and look at where it is going... It is headed way off track and I want it brought back in line. I asked some questions above. If any of you would like to take the topic into other areas, then please start a new thread rather than 'hijacking' this one.

[Agent|Star]

One last comment.. I kept to the point.. Peter directed a post at me I had to respond. Sorry about that watchdog.

I'll try to watch myself while on your forum.