Uwantme's Departure

[MaxPower]

Thanks for banning uwantme watchdog... these topics were getting too cluttered up with junk and being lead off topic too much. Too much mis-information was stated as definite facts (ie... various laws).

Everything that differed from uwantme's view was usually twisted and often used as an assault on that persons character. This website is not here to attack people... it is here to try to help people. I believe now we will all be able to get back on track and become even more productive. Now when you read through the threads maybe you can actually find some information without having to read the same persons posts over and over... and over.

You can have opposing views here... but don't think that your view is automatically the correct one and anyone who does not feel the same is absolutely wrong.

Thanks watchdog!:)

[MatrixWatch]

Uwantme did not want to see it this way, and instead threatened to spread negative information about the site on other forums. I would rather that she feel free to vent her opinions here at Matrix Watch, but I needed her to show more respect to our members. I asked uwantme to reconsider, and offered a reinstatement of membership, but she decided to disrespect my requests. She never came here with the intent of respecting the members anyway, and this is evident from what is said on the other forums.

Here is a sample of what was being heralded on a pro-matrix forum:

Yes....that's right. We all need to join www.matrixwatch.org in order to give another side to the story. Right now that site is only giving the negative. We all need to join forces to make sure that both sides are heard. I have had many debates on there. We can not just ignore this problem. He is recruiting more and more people to his cause everyday, and if we don't show the other side to the story we are all doomed. He is gaining more and more support from news media and other outlets. So I believe we need to get the other side of the story out there. So join me in the endless debates that go on at www.matrixwatch.org where we are demonized more times than not.

Thank you BigStarr for the kind comments. Only together can we win against Watch Dog and his crew.



You see, some of these new members come here strictly with the agenda of derailing posts for the purpose of being pro-matrix, not necessarily relevant to the thread. They understand that Matrix Watch is linked from various media websites, and that our forums are read by government authorities and customers seeking refunds. In addition to these visitors, we also have people coming here who are thinking of investing in the matrix sites, but want information first. Matrix-site owners see our site as a place that can make or break their chances at new customers so they come here and try protect their interests by exploding on the forums with their propaganda. I am going to end this. They may say that I am not living up to our claims of having the most open forums in the industry, but that jargon will not deter what must be done to keep their agenda at bay.

[spydrman]

It's sad to see uwantme go. I know she always stuck up for the matrix concept because she had her own site in the works, I believe. It was more interesting to read threads here with her involved in the discussions.

[hello]

I am surprised that Uwantme was banned. I thought this entire site was to express our own opinion. So what if Uwantme was completely for the Matrix world, it was interesting to read both sides, I thought this site was all about being able to give information/get information/share information. I was not a fan of Uwantme, but don't find it fair that this person was banned. I joined Matrix Watch because I wanted to be apart of a site that had free expression and not banning for our personal thoughts. No mater how bad you thought Uwantme was, the debate was great. WatchDog, who is next to be banned?

[damion]

I have to agree with hello on this one.
When you opened up you said it would be unmoderated and free conversation as long as the rules were followed. By banning uwantme, you are taking a step in the direction of the ezexpoinc forum where everyone who disagrees with your point of view is gone.
I have a lot of respect for you Tim because you have actually stuck this out even after the constant verbal assaults, but I do not agree with this. I have not been visiting here as often as I used to, but I have never seen uwantme break any rules. Some of her posts were out of context but that is not a reason to ban someone.

I think you should reconsider your actions and reinstate her account. Her actions on other boards have no relevance to this one either so I know not why you brought up a post she made elsewhere.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Damion

[MaxPower]

If somebody had to be re-instated... I think it would be better to have TCB than Uwantme.

[hello]

MaxPower...I am starting to wonder if you are actually WatchDog under a different alais, it makes NO sence to ban Uwantme.

[MaxPower]

Yeah... I'm watchdog. lol. What do you mean no reason? Consistently taking threads off topic. Attacking people's character. Cramming up the board with junk messages. Spreading lies (ie all the laws that she would say people here would be guilty of breaking- harassment, accessory to a crime). Twisting people's words too much.
On another note... I do not see why uwantme and others are so upset about being banned. She herself worked hard at getting numerous people banned from other boards. Then she gets mad that she is banned from this board. Kind of hypocritical huh?

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by MaxPower
What do you mean no reason? Consistently taking threads off topic. Attacking people's character. Cramming up the board with junk messages. Spreading lies (ie all the laws that she would say people here would be guilty of breaking- harassment, accessory to a crime). Twisting people's words too much.

Exactly, and it was getting way too frustrating. It is one thing to offer an open forum where people can express their views, but under EVERY new thread, there was uwantme, bringing up old issues and attacking the members. I put up with it for over 300 posts from uwantme, and now I don't believe that she is using these open forums to discuss, but rather to assault. I allowed her to walk to fine line, but when she began to say that I would be an accessory to a crime, or that what I am doing here is illegal, I had to end it. Even after being warned, she still continued with her verbage in the thread. I plainly stated in the forum rules that while people may freely share their views, there would be no assaults on the members, including myself. I put up with this for a while, gave a couple warnings, and then had to end it.

[MatrixWatch]

uwantme's being banned has more to do with her attitude than it does with her being pro-matrix. There are still matrix supporters her on the forums, but she took it way too far by violating strict warnings.

I just checked through a couple of the other forums and saw that uwantme is posting messages about how evil I am for banning her. However, notice in her message that she posts part of the discussion I had with her. I warned her for accusing me of being an accessory to a crime, and she kept at it. Then I warned her about the DNS issue she was bringing up, and she kept at it. I then banned her, and told her why. Then I had more discussion with her about where I want the forums to go from here, and why she does not fit in at this given time with the way she is walking to close to the point of being banned. I do not know any forum admins who would offer this measure of discussion with someone in order to fill them in on why they were banned.

Uwantme demonstrates her motives by placing these anti-matrix-watch messages on the other forums. She shows that she had no respect for me or the site in the first place, and I have dropped any inclinations I had about reinstating her.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by watchdog
You see, some of these new members come here strictly with the agenda of derailing posts for the purpose of being pro-matrix, not necessarily relevant to the thread


You can read all of my post as they are relevent to each and every thread. The only matrix supporters I have seen around here is TCB, myself & uwantme.

Actually, I did the same thing in asking other matrix supports to join this forum and voice opinions. Like uwanted states this place for a very long time consisted of one perspective only and thats the MatrixWatch prospective. We were all encouraged numerous times by you WatchDog, even peter encouraged more of us to join.

When we showed up and began giving good debates, I guess our welcome ran short? We arn't joining your forums with the purpose to derail all threads posted, it is only fair to share 2 sides of a story dont you agree? To not allow all opinions would make this place a very controlled environment.

I know how it works... WatchDogs speak of Matrix Sites in worst case senerios only. If you wanna give people truth then do that! You must allow all sides to be heard it is the only way.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by watchdog
but when she began to say that I would be an accessory to a crime


I think you need to re-read her post... She did not say you were an accessory to a crime.

What she did was give a senerio. Check it out its all there. She never once said YOU did this.. YOU did that..

She made a thread asking everyone what we think about posting personal information on forums (like Matrix Watch people do occasionally) she continued by telling a story of a ex-matrix site owner (women) being attacked by her customers that did not cycle. She ended stating that she doesnt agree with watchdog crew posting personal information on public boards as it may result in bigger situations. She also said that if a post made by matrix-watc crew was the way inwhich a crazy customer gained personal information on someone to attack them, that by posting personal information you may find yourself being liable to it as an "accessory" of crime...

She was just giving an example which made sense to me. Posting a matrix site owners personal information publically on boards isn't a good thing. Maybe it would be better if you handled that in private, this way you can keep track of everyone you gave the information to and singling out the suspect in a criminal act would be easier.

Uwantme demonstrates her motives by placing these anti-matrix-watch messages on the other forums. She shows that she had no respect for me or the site in the first place, and I have dropped any inclinations I had about reinstating her.

You gotta give respect, to earn respect. She is upset that you banned her for reasons she does not understand as being "fit". She just needs to release some steam. I believe I would be upset too.

[hello]

I said it before and I will say it again, Uwantme should not have been banned. I respect WatchDog, but banning Uwantme is going to far. This website is going to turn into a banning zone when people speak their minds.

[northstar5757]

I havn't been checking the forums over the past week or so. what was the post that broke watchdog's back? I am particularly fond of uwante or tbc (especially tbc) but I'm not sure if they derserve to be banned. For the most part I found their posts to be civilized even if I did not agree with their views.