ymmss lies

[Dreamer]

GAGuest
Guest

What percentage of the "income pool" comes from these outside sources?



Alan
Moderator

Right now it may be around 40% - but it is a variable.

Alan


Ok, lets take real numbers here.


10/18/04 - 90 - 35,385,469.00 - 896,387
10/19/04 - 90 - 36,128,789.00 - 743,320

04/15/05 - 179 - 84,637,072.88 - 313,025.50 - 10/18/04
05/02/05 - 195 - 86,391,025.58 - 331,871.70 - 10/19/04

Difference - $1,753,952.70 - For 10/19
743,320x2 - $1,486,640.00 - Amount if Doubled
Difference - $0,267,312.70 - more money kimmy stole in addition to his 25%

So, if advertisers = the 25% that kimmy took out, they would have contributed 33%. But, kimmy has taken out $267,312 more than advertisers put in. Thats 15%, so it can be assumed that 10% came from outside sources.

Now, remember, that 10% is after kimmy takes out his 25%, so the net resole is that -10%.

[Arzel]

Alan already was trying to make that arguement earlier on this site. Although at that time he said it was 32%. We all know he is way off as it is less than 10% and probably less than 5% cumulative.

[YMforever]

You poor souls really do not understand math 101 do you? Of the almost 645,000 on both processing days you post, those 267,000 were used not to pay Oct 18, but finished Oct 17 on Apr 15 and to start paying Oct 19 on May 2... Well, I guess if you want people to believe something negative, it's way too easy not presenting all available facts, is it???

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN

Cherio

[Dreamer]

So, does that mean i'm off by maybe a percent or two? Why dont you correct us with the real figures since I failed basic math?

[YMforever]

I gave you all available facts I have. They paid off Oct 17 on Apr 15 and start paying Oct 18. The totall comm. paid was 313,000. The portion of that was obviously used on paying those Oct 17 positions. The same was on May 2 when they finished Oct 18 and started Oct 19 that was 331,871. Obviously only part of that was Oct 18. So when you calculate ONLY Oct 18 pos. you can't do that adding BOTH of those figure. You have to use fractions of those ammounts, cause on those processing days TWO DAYS' positions were processed.

Cherio

[Dreamer]

I agree with you 100% there. My numbers are not meant to be accurate, because there is no accurate info. However, using my example, you can chose any dates that you want and find the answer there.

The 1 day that you admitted is flawed, since the beginning was cycling 2 different days and the end was cycling 2 different days. If you want to go to an average of the week that might be a little more accurate, but still running into the fact that there are 2 different days on both ends of it.

Since more accurate numbers are not available, that I know of anyways, it is almost impossible to be 100% accurate. However, I think my margin of error is probably within +- 10%. But, again, thats just a guess.

Another flaw that you fail to point out in my way of calculating it is that is just one day. What happens if there was no outside sources that came in? That would skew up the percentage. Or, what if I chose to do the day with the $300,000 outside sourse? Again that would skew the percentage.

Im not pretending to be accurate on my numbers, but what would you like me to do next time? A day, A week, A Month?

But, you know why I chose the day instead of something longer? If you take the total amount paid out for the last day processed, and go back to that day and find the total paid out there, you can get the percentage so close to the length of the program as to what is going on. I chose not to use that number because that was over the life of the program, and that does not show what has been going on.

Would you like me to crunch the numbers for each individual processing days for the past 30 days and maybe a graphal representation will show which days are more flawed?

I'm not trying to skewer the results one way or another, so what do you think is the most appropriate way to figure out what the percentages are basd on the available data we have?

[Dreamer]

Started listening to the 6-30-05 recording. Microsoft is all to blame for the server (yeah right). There was no long term or short term goals for bringing down CT. It was asked how come million dollar days from last year did not bring down the cycle time. His response was the person who asked the question was stupid and refers to todays million dollar days.

9/20/04 - no drop of cycle
10/05/04 - no drop of cycle
10/23/04 - no drop
10/30/04 - no drop
11/06/04 - no drop
11/13/04 - no drop
11/18/04 - no drop
12/08/04 - 1 day drop
12/18/04 - 1 day drop
12/27/04 - no drop

1/06/05 - no drop
2/02/05 - no drop
2/28/05 - no drop

Now, remember he was talking about the million dollar days today. I see a $62,000 and a $43,000 days.

[Dreamer]

This was posted in anohter thread, but i figure it will be a lie again. I hope kimmy proves me wrong.

http://www.ymforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=17642

cashmound
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:20 am Post subject: *Announcement by Kim* 90 days cycles coming in 2005 !!!!!!! Reply with quote
Because this is such Great news I figured newbies will be as excited as the now members are about Kim's Announcement on July 4th!


Felling concerned about the cycle time,well this should ease your minds some Smile


This is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o good

and will put a BIG SMILE ON YOUR FACE I'M SURE SO READ THIS !!!!!!


Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: Kim's Independence Announcement from Nori's Post

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Just in case you missed it Nori wrote:

Kim talked with us Saturday evening. He said something is going to happen within the next 2 months that will bring a big smile to our faces. He also said cycle times will be back to 90 days by the end of the year. This brought a huge cheer from the affiliates as you can imagine.


So admitt you didn't see it and post here about how HAPPY YOU ARE NOW



God Bless Bob Nilsson NJ USA

[Mat_Watcher]

It was asked how come million dollar days from last year did not bring down the cycle time. His response was the person who asked the question was stupid and refers to todays million dollar days.

Now, remember he was talking about the million dollar days today. I see a $62,000 and a $43,000 days.

This not the correct interpretation of what was said.

Millions dollars days are referring to needed commissions to pay out along these days
(toadys millions dollars days).

The reason of why the cycle time didn't fall down along Nov days was explained severals times.

The commissions payout needed along these past days were half millions days,as result of 1/4 of millions dollars orders made along the 3 months before of Nov.

Misleading questions bring correct answers.
The Nov days were half millions days orders.
These days are millions commissions payout day.

I don't want extend here why a million day needed commissions payout don't need the whole million at the begin of process as I saw someone already know it here ,also if not well explained yet.

Many Thanks

[Mat_Watcher]

Alan
Moderator

Right now it may be around 40% - but it is a variable.

Alan .
Ok, lets take real numbers here.


10/18/04 - 90 - 35,385,469.00 - 896,387
10/19/04 - 90 - 36,128,789.00 - 743,320

04/15/05 - 179 - 84,637,072.88 - 313,025.50 - 10/18/04
05/02/05 - 195 - 86,391,025.58 - 331,871.70 - 10/19/04

Difference - $1,753,952.70 - For 10/19
743,320x2 - $1,486,640.00 - Amount if Doubled
Difference - $0,267,312.70 - more money kimmy stole in addition to his 25%

So, if advertisers = the 25% that kimmy took out, they would have contributed 33%. But, kimmy has taken out $267,312 more than advertisers put in. Thats 15%, so it can be assumed that 10% came from outside sources.

Now, remember, that 10% is after kimmy takes out his 25%, so the net resole is that -10%.

Please,follow Alan's answer.
Right now means that at the moment oustside sources are around 40%.
Due the actaully lack of new orders for problem known,the % of ouside sources increased.
If along the last month YMMSS received $1,000,000 ,this means that $600,000 comes from orders and $400,000 from oustside sources.

Any calculations (quoted above) made without taking care of what was said (right now) and using a time period out of the answer given (actual %) its not correct.

Please will You try to explain it following correct info.

Many Thanks

[Dreamer]

Mat Watcher,

While I appreciate your posts, and they are much better than the many names that came before you, you are wrong on the two points that you quoted me.

There were million dollar days. I posted all the days in which there was a million dollars or more paid out per day from last year to this year. To cycle those days would take 2million dollars as you say, and as kimmy said to dodge the question.

But the fact is, those million dollar days represents that over a million dollars was put into the system (somehow) that day to pay off that amount, and it did not bring down the cycle. That was what the question, that is the appropriate interpretation of the question. Please dont confuse the question that was asked to something that bears no relevance on the question just to avoid the question. Here I'm not saying you directly are, but i know kimmys followers always have talking points.

Alan himself conceded, believing the numbers of $300k/month and $35k/week, for the month of June the "result" was closer to 22%. Using a time frame of less than a month isnt as accurate because you would have to dismiss the $300k. But, if you want to go with last week:

Last weeks earnings were: $235,310.10. Assuming $35,000 came from an outside source, which there is zero evidence that it happened, and it is shown that there was no $35,000 in the pot, that amounts to 15%.

So, the most current week was 15%, not the 40%. The most current month was 23%, not 40%. Again, this is if we were to take at blind faith that the $35k and $300k is accurate.

But the math that I did is probably most accurate, because it takes the difference between 2 days of processing now adays vs the total amount that was paid on the days working on back than, and comparing those numbers. If kimmy didnt take out 25%, a true ponzi would have exactly double the amount. If it too more than double to pay off the original days, that mean more money is disappearing from the system. If less than double, there is money coming in.

So, no matter what way you look at it, The more accurate picture is somewhere between 10% - 23%. However less that $1million can be accounted for, even that is very iffy.

So, on all accounts, 40% is a lie. maybe 40% of 1% is more accurate of the total amount.

[surfer]

Dreamer, if you look at the stats for YMMSS, you
will see that there have been a total of 13 "million
dollar days", most of them before November 18.

However, none of these were one day totals.

The closes YMMSS has come to a single million
dollar payout was 12/2/04 at 994,513.40.

Of course, the big December totals also help
show another YMMSS lie.......all the hype and
B.S. that surrounds getting to the Nov. 18 date.

December was an $11 million dollar month, so
it's not going to be much easier to get past than
October or November.

No matter what the percentage of outside income
is, it will never be enough to maintain a 90 day
or less cycle time.

Thanks again for your thought Mat_Watcher, and
thanks for being courteous.

[Dreamer]

In the spirit of the question, they were most likely referring to thos 13 million dollar days. Because in those days over a million dollars was processed. I dont think they were refereing to average of a million dollars per day, but just the days in which it was processed and over $1million was taken in. I hope you understand what I'm saying, cuz I just dont know the proper termonology for it.