Justed to let you know I am here!

[uwantme]

Just wanted to drop in and say hi to everyone! I see alot of you were on my side and also agree I shouldnt have been banned and I thank you for that.. I see alot of people asking why and if wish to send me an email or PM I can you full details from my side because alot of what was stated on these forums is untrue...

The funny thing is that Im banned to this "pro-matrix" forum because Im "such" a matrix lover. Yet I was the one who repeatedly stated that the matrix systems needed to change. I said that sites should sell tangible goods and not e-books and they should also get rid of the endless lists. Well... thats another story.

The final thing I wanted to state is that I saw allegations on the other boards that I assulted peoples character and that i attacked verbally all the members here. This is untrue and if anyone can show me a single post where I assulted or attacked anyone I will apoligize to that person, but I couldnt find a post where I did that.....

I am reading everyones posts and even though I cant respond, I hear you. Come find me on other forums where I can post freely about everything. You might be suprised by what you learn.

[northstar5757]

I do agree about your point about the name. Maybe it should be changed to un moderated board. As it is now the name implies that all people who are banned are pro matrix, givinging off the impression that anti matrix forum mebers won't be banned.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by northstar5757
I do agree about your point about the name. Maybe it should be changed to un moderated board. As it is now the name implies that all people who are banned are pro matrix, givinging off the impression that anti matrix forum mebers won't be banned.

Exactly, I think because of what has happened recently WatchDog has been putting up with my remarks and not banned me to only this area yet. I think he knows that if he banns me (the last remaining matrix supporter) then he will even more prove what your saying.

In fact, look around you lol.. he made this place to cushion his actions of banning uwantme as it caused a commotion. I'm not sure who he has watching these forums but he does not want to look like a "bad" guy, so his attempt to fixing this is, "i'll make a pro-matrix area". heheh clever.

I will try my best to show respect on both sides and be the only voice within their area. :cool:

Everyone thinks he should unban TCB and uwantme but pride is to strong in that man. He claims uwantme did not show respect, well he has shown no respect by his rash actions of banning.

[MatrixWatch]

Everyone thinks he should unban TCB and uwantme but pride is to strong in that man. He claims uwantme did not show respect, well he has shown no respect by his rash actions of banning.

You are using this situation to distract people from the real issues at hand. So what if I banned uwantme? So what if you think my reasons were not legitimate? I did not like what she was doing on these forums, and they are a better place with her gone. She was an aggrivation to the topics, and the forums have taken on a new flavor of debate since she was banned. For a while I considered reinstating her membership, but after I her posting MatrixWatch.org DNS info on the other forums it is good that she stay banned.

I know uwantme from the other forums and she is not one to see the real issues addressed here at Matrix Watch. I am fine with people wanted to voice their opinion here, but her posts, and the posts of a few of her "friends", have reached beyone the realm of opinion. Their goal here is to protect their own interests. That is why some of them do not take to heart what Arzel, myself, peterdragin, and several of the other members have brought up in debate with you. Why do they re-hash things like a "broken record"? Because they know that more people view this forum than any other since the close of Matrix-News.net. You and the other matrix owners/supporters are feeling the crunch of no new customers on your lists. Realizing that many potential new customers view the Matrix Watch forums before joining matrix sites, you have come here to prevent those customers from reading what you don't want them to hear. I have read the calls to action on your forums, and I am not blind to your agenda. In fact, it was your agenda that led you intercept threads and bring them off course. When I saw that some visitors were running into this problem in their attempts to gather information I decided to put an end to it.

Here is an example:


wow.. matrixwatch.org, go there then go to the Site Closures section in their forums...
I just went there and read the 30 message thread that was started about the quickmatrix and smartermatrix thing. Seems like the last 10 or so messages until whatever messages are posted in the future, are not actually about the situation. I did see though mostly everyone agreed with me in saying to freeze the account of the smartermatrix owner.

http://www.matrix-sites.net/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=329&st=15

uwantme has been accused of attacking members and ignoring warnings, but the main reason she was banned was for distracting the threads. Tcb was more guilty of this than uwantme was, so I decided to ban TCB first, in hopes that uwantme and a couple of the others would fall in line. They have not, and furthermore, they are not distracting the community from the main discussion I have indirectly been having with the entire matrix community-- The legality and legitimacy of the Matrix Sites. Uwantme is smoke screening that discussion with how dishonest I am because I banned her for reasons that she didn't like, and that a few matrix supporters agree with her.... That is the attitude that got her banned, and that is the attitude that will keep her banned.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by watchdog
but the main reason she was banned was for distracting the threads. Tcb was more guilty of this than uwantme was, so I decided to ban TCB first, in hopes that uwantme and a couple of the others would fall in line. They have not, and furthermore, they are not distracting the community from the main discussion I have indirectly been having with the entire matrix community-- The legality and legitimacy of the Matrix Sites. Uwantme is smoke screening that discussion with how dishonest I am because I banned her for reasons that she didn't like, and that a few matrix supporters agree with her.... That is the attitude that got her banned, and that is the attitude that will keep her banned.

You know you keep saying that watchdog but the fact is on the night you banned me I had only made posts in the topic I started and I even encouraged others to stay within that topic in the same post. So it is kinda lame to say you banned me for distracting threads when that was not the case. I also havent noticed your forums moving in any different directions and I still see threads are being taken off topic even though I am banned so I and TCB are banned so I dont see how you can blame that on us..... You say only other matrix supporters support me but that is also untrue. Look at the posts on your own board and you will see many non-matrix supports who dont agree with what you did. In fact if I remember correctly ONLY maxpower agreed with your decision, and he is also the ONLY one besides you who said I was attacking other members.. No one else did.. and I am still waiting for someone to show me a post of mine where I attacked another members character or them... ALso as I stated earlier I am not the hardcore matrix supporter you try to make everyone believe I am. I have said on numerous occasions that sites need to change the way they operate etc and I have even said I support some of what you do where I believe you should go after the bad sites, I just dont think you should seek and try to destroy all sites.. I wont go into that again however when all you need to do is actually read my first post and others to see that. Also I saw you mention something about your DNS again. Yeah i posted it on another forum I did it for two reasons 1. it is false information(well maybe not false, but it sure isnt your info). You and your other certain members always jump on other site owners who do not put their correct info and claim they are liars, scammers, fly by nighters and more... and 2 if you think that posting peoples personal information on public boards should be allowed you should mind having yours posted, I believe you even said something about how its avaible other places like godaddy(where i got yours from) etc, and that makes it okay to post personal information thats already made publicly available eslewhere.....

Oh yeah, im not upset you banned me for reasons I didnt like, Im upset because you banned me for NO reason. You sent me 1 warning and I didnt even make any more posts after that and you still went ahead and banned my acount..
I was even told after you banned tcb that:
"This forum is an open place for opinions"
"This is by far the most open forum regarding the matrix world."
Well I was never banned from any other forum for my opinions...
However thats fine, I will sat in my little "pro matrix" corner and say what I need to say from here, then I guess I wont have to worry about you banning me everytime I say something you dont agree with or whatever..

[hello]

WatchDog, how can you say it is a better place with Uwantme gone, how is it a better place? It was a perfectly fine place with her here. You have created this forum and it is a great place to gather information. So what if you have fake information for your website, who can blame you, taking on ezexpo and all the other pay companies is a large task. I don't blame you one bit for being careful, I mean really, you never know what kind of nutcase is going to track you down and hurt you or your family. This world has enough nuts in it and all it takes is one. Personally, I wouldn't want all my personal information to get into the wrong hands either and I can understand why others have to be careful. I don't fault you WatchDog one bit and I support you, but come on, lets be adults here, Uwantme has every right to be here, look at it from a third party point of view and perhaps there will be some useful information you can gather for your lawsuit. I joined your forum because you seemed to want to allow free speech, even if you didn't agree with it, that made me respect you, but this has been blown up and its really only a tiny little thing, why don't the two of you patch things up and lets get this forum back to the way it use to be, where anyone (even Shelby) can express their point of view.

[MatrixWatch]

hello,
I appreciate your request. I am willing to bury this whole episode and reinstate these members, thus making the forums the way they were in the beginning. I would only ask for a few things:

Number 1: Delete all of the messages of this issue from the MSN forums, especially the information about Dwight.

Number 2: I will reinstate every member of Matrix-Sites.net as long as they get rid of the same posts spoken of in #1.

Number 3: No more deliberate thread hijacking. I would like everyone to try their best to keep the conversation relevant to the thread title. This way we can keep an organized archive of discussion.

Number 4: Feel free to share ideas after all of this is finished. I am not against pro-matrix members or their sharing of opinions here. The Matrix Watch forums are growing more everyday, and as long as things stay organized, I want us to continue to have the most open forums within the matrix community.

I will fully reinstate everyone when I see points 1 and 2 met.

And I will not turn around a ban you again.. As long as your reasonably abide by the common forum rules, you may stay and debate.

[Agent|Star]

If you want to move on... You do not have to force them to delete their posts... It can all be laid to rest if you just give them back their memebership. You honestly reacted way to fast when you banned her.

Being a better man means accepting what has happened as a big mix up. Don't take it from me.. Listen to everyone they all feel the same way.

Watchdog... really you are digging yourself into a deeper hole every time you respond to a uwantme post the way you have. I don't think your request that they delete their posts in order to have their access restored looks good on your behalf.

Just give it back to them bottomline. No one agrees with their removals. I haven't seen one person yet that agrees with it.

[Arzel]

bigstar,

The main issue was the hijacking of threads, drawing the focus from the original thread. I personally agreed with the bans, if for no other reason than to cool things off and try to get the debates back into their original well thought out posts.

You have to remember that this site was designed to help people caught in matrix sites truely wanting assistance. And also to report those sites which were the most egregious in their actions.

I don't completely fault the actions of tcb and uwantme, but the constant shift of focus has mad it difficult to stay on subject. It wasn't even so much what they had to say, but that they were constantly saying it. I liken it to being in a room with many people and having a few constantly talk louder and interupt everyone else until noone else even wants to talk anymore

I think what Watchdog wants (I know I want it) is for the comments of individuals to be a little more thought out and to get a wider variety of individuals to join the debates.

I know that tcb, uwanteme, and you as well, feel as if you need to defend the matrix world at all points, but the defense seems to quickly return to the old arguements about matrix sites making it difficult to have new discussions.

The debate over the "Story" became way to emotional and was no longer contributing to forward discussion. The emotional banter was simply the last straw over these original issues of diverting the focus of the threads.

So let us please stop this endless debate and start fresh. And please understand the original focus of this site. If Watchdog wishes to reinstave tcb and uwantme to full status that is his perogative, but let us stop the debate as to whether it is the right or wrong thing to do.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Arzel
I know that tcb, uwanteme, and you as well, feel as if you need to defend the matrix world at all points, but the defense seems to quickly return to the old arguements about matrix sites making it difficult to have new discussions.


You know I do appreciate the fact that watchdog reinstated everyone. It was a big step on his part.

Now this was originally my topic and I am going to finish with a comment about the paragraph above and then move on....

First Arzel you and others continuously accused my of many things but hijacking threads was the main issue, instead of just saying it show me all the threads I supposedly hijacked... If you mean I added my opinion to the subject and it wasnt the same as others thats not hijacking a thread thats posting an opinion...

Next which I am getting very tired of saying and it makes me wonder how much of the threads you actually read I DO NOT support the matrix on all points. In fact there are many points I do disagree with and hope all sites will eventually change. And if you really took the time to read my posts you would know this.

Finally I would state one more time for the record, and yes I have said this so many times before I have lost count- I do not disagree with all of matrixwatch. In fact I think it is a good place to go after the bad sites, keyword being BAD, I just dont agree with the seek and destroy attitude you have for all sites.

[Arzel]

We are not going to debate this anymore. There is a fundamental difference in perception, and any threads which I would direct you would dissagree and it would serve no purpose other than to continue this endless debate.

Let us please move on from this discussion.

As to your beliefs on the matrix, I am still amazed at your stance. The fundamental flaw of the matrix is such that to change it is for it to no longer be a matrix. I have read at least 95% of your posts, being statistical in nature I must leave room for error :)

[matrixfriendly]

Originally posted by Arzel
We are not going to debate this anymore. There is a fundamental difference in perception, and any threads which I would direct you would dissagree and it would serve no purpose other than to continue this endless debate.

This is a very interesting comment. You do not want to debate the legal/illegal aspect of the matrix world anymore. Is this not the only issue to debate in the matrix world? You cannot have a debate merely based on (I like it so you should too) or (I dont like it so you shouldn't). The only debate that includes the matrix system is the legal/illegal debate. If we are not going to try and prove it one way or the other then there should no longer be any debates about it. What purpose would it serve? I for one could careless if you like it or not. That is an opinion. Now the legal aspect of it is something to debate. Until it is proven beyond a resonable doubt that the matrix is legal or illegal there is always room for debate on this issue. If this site is only for helping the consumer get refunds and to stop them from doing business with any other matrix sites out there then so be it. We do not need to even be discussing anything. Just post what you want people to see and let it alone. That way you would not have to grow tired of defending your point of view.

[tcb1969a]

Get your act together Watch Dog, you did not ban me for Thread Hijacking as I have heard you have said you did....You banned me for responding to a newbie who was asking for your help, therefore interfering with your mission. As you stated to me. I responded to the newbies statement with doesn't anyone take responsibility for there actions. And of course I used the words ***** ****** in there. And you banned me....If your going to spout off about things, then state the truth....

Also you claimed in your email that you did not ban me but suspended me. You made that clear, basically using a play on words. But yet on your own board you state that you banned me. Get your act together or you are bound to lose the respect of your members. I surely have lost respect for you. Remember awhile back when you said you would not ban anyone unless it was a blatant violation. That you wanted both sides of the story heard......hmm.....I guess that was bogus too.....

Get your act together.....


Oh yea, here is the email you wrote me about the banning vs suspension dialog:

I did not ban you, I suspended you for four months. Your posts were becoming more and more taunting to those who genuinely needed the help of Matrix Watch. There are some more developments ahead and the forums need to be cleared of any liabilities. You are incorrect about the anti matrix posts. I have banned more erradic anti-matrix members for their comments than pro-matrix members. You may contact me when your four months are up and I will reinstate your forum access.


haha....I see he has put in asterisks in where I made a coment up above. Of course I don't think the Lords name is a cuss word, though it depends on how it is used.....

[Arzel]

matrixfriendly,

I said that there was no point in debating the issue regarding thread hi-jacking. uwantme did not believe that she was, while we felt different. Thus a difference in perception. I am always ready to discuss the legality issues of the matrix world, and was not referring to that.

[tcb1969a]

There is no difference in perception....There was no thread hijacking when it came to my banning.....even the email I got from Watch Dog when I inquired why I was banned stated nothing about Thread Hijacking period.....No if ands or buts about it.....

[matrixfriendly]

When you are answering questions in a thread it should not be considered hijacking. Why are the persons asking the questions not banned. The persons that respond are the ones that get banned.

[tcb1969a]

Good point you made, MatrixFriendly, and the reason is the one asking the question is a MatrixWatch wannabe/friend.....and we are not. It would make no sense for Watch Dog to ban a friend to his cause, but him and his companions could care less if the Matrix supporters get banned, with the exception of peterdragin who did show some concern.....

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Arzel
matrixfriendly,

I said that there was no point in debating the issue regarding thread hi-jacking. uwantme did not believe that she was, while we felt different. Thus a difference in perception. I am always ready to discuss the legality issues of the matrix world, and was not referring to that.

You know I really was trying to let this drop but I see you keep bringing up my name. So I state again and Im really getting tired of saying this if I "hijacked" so many threads would you please point them out to me and state how it was that I "hijacked" that thread..

[Arzel]

uwantme,

I was not bringing up your name to start a new debate on the issue. Matrixfriendly missinterpreted my post and I was only trying to clarify what I did not want to debate.

[Arzel]

uwantme,

Here is a perfect example of thread hijacking. This thread started out as a place to report matrix auctions on ebay, and quickly turned into a debate on what is a legal auction, and a whole triad into how you have a way to have legal auctions, and then further sidetrack into how your future site is not even going to be a matrix site. tcb also assisted in the hijack.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167

even after the thread got back on track you hijacked it again drawing it back into your earlier arguements.

I know you won't agree with me, which is why I did not want to debate it, but since you won't let it go there is some proof for you.

[tcb1969a]

So let me get this straight, I am guilty of hijacking a thread. Do you even realize that it is not hard to accidently hijack a thread when responding to what others post.....

Also the thread was derailed before I chimed in anyways, so quit with the assistance mess......It's not hard to get a little off course in these forums, but to ban us is a little rediculous....Period....

[tcb1969a]

Oh and by the way Arzel, you could sort of say that this thread has been hijacked, since it was never started over Thread Hijacking.....

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
Oh and by the way Arzel, you could sort of say that this thread has been hijacked, since it was never started over Thread Hijacking.....


Exactly.... Watchdog was making a lot of posts pointing the finger at "us" for doing what they call hijacking... When I backtracked into the threads it wasn't "us" who initially take a thread off course it was those who didn't like our opinion. :cool:

He never once addressed the entire board for hijacking until after I made post recognizing the fact that we aren't the ORIGINAL hijackers. Then he stated no hijacking goes for all members.

If you ask me, what a matrix supporter does in these forums is the exact same as matrix opposers, the only differnce is they dont like hearing our opinion. Its pretty upseting, similar to a type of "ism" lol if you know what i mean.

Bottomline, this is WatchDogs forum he has the power to kick/ban anyone he wants at anytime with or without reason. :cool:

[Arzel]

This is exactly why I did not want to debate that issue anymore. Let it go.

[matrixfriendly]

Isn't it funny how when people do not have a good argument they always want to drop the subject!

[tcb1969a]

Of course.....that's the way of the world.........