The math of ymmss

[Dreamer]

How do you earn $100,000/year? Simple, buy 79 $10 spots. After 6 cycles (1.5 years) they will all mature to $320, and so each cycle you are earning $25,000 x 4 cycles (might be 5, since a cycle is 60-90 days) is $100,000/year.

Sounds good, right?

Cycle 1 - $25,000 -> $50,000 -> Take out $25,000 -> $25,000
Cycle 2 - Repeat
Cycle 3 - Repeat
Cycle 4 - Repeat

Total taken out this year -> $100,000
Total still in system - > $25,000

Years 2 - 100 - Repeat

But, why do they take it out once every cycle? Why not withdraw the $100,000 once a year?

Cycle 1 - $25,000 -> $50,000
Cycle 2 - $50,000 - >$100,000
Cycle 3 - $100,000 - > $200,000
Cycle 4 - $200,000 - > $400,000 -> Take out $200,000 - > $200,000

Total taken out this year -> $200,000
Total still in system -> $200,000

What has changed? Nothing except when taken out. The last cycle of the year the EPCs are set for invest half. take out half. The other 3 cycles it is set up for invest 100%, take out none.

Year 2
Cycle 1 - $200k - $400k
Cycle 2 - $400k - $800k
Cycle 3 - $800k - $1.6m
Cycle 4 - $1.6m - $3.2m - Take out $1.6m -> $1.6m

My second year of reaccuring income I'm buying me a sports car.

Total taken out this year -> $1.6million
Total still in system -> $1.6million

Again, only difference is taking it out one cycle instead of all 4.

Year 3

Cycle 1 - $1.6m -> $3.2m
Cycle 2 - $3.2m -> $6.4m
Cycle 3 - $6.4m -> $12.8m
Cycle 4 - $12.8m -> $25.6m -> Take out $12.8m -> $12.8m

My 3rd year I'm going to buy a nice vacation house in the middle of nowhere.

Year 4

Cycle 1 - $12.8m -> $25.6m
Cycle 2 - $25.6m -> $51.2m
Cycle 3 - $51.2m -> $102.4m
Cycle 4 - $102.4m -> $208.8m -> Take out $102.4m -> $102.4m

My 4th year I'm buying a jet

Year 5

Cycle 1 - $102.4m -> $208.8m
Cycle 2 - $208.8m -> $417.6m
Cycle 3 - $417.6m -> $835.2m
Cycle 4 - $835.2m -> $1.6b -> Take out $835.2m - $835.2m

Im going to build the biggest and baddest mansion that makes bill gates place look like a guest house.

Year 6

Cycle 1 - $835.2m -> $1.6b
Cycle 2 - $1.6b -> $3.3b
Cycle 3 - $3.3b -> $6.6b
Cycle 4 - $6.6b -> $13.3b -> Take out $6.6b -> $6.6b

Maybe I'll start buying some businesses and become bigger than aol-timewarner

Year 7

Cycle 1 - 13.3b - 26.7b
Cycle 2 - 26.7b - 53.4b
Cycle 3 - 53.4b - 106.9b
Cycle 4 - 106.9b - 213.8b - 106.9b

I got my houses, car, a jet, plenty of businesses, I'll but more businesses, and put $10b into ymmss to advertise my stff

Year 8

Cycle 1 - 106.9b - 213.8b
Cycle 2 - 213.8b - 427.6b
Cycle 3 - 427.6b - 855.2b
Cycle 4 - 855.2b - 1.7t - 855.2b

This year I'm going to send out every man woman and child in the US $2,000

Year 9

Cycle 1 - 855.2b - 1.7t
Cycle 2 - 1.7t - 3.4t
Cycle 3 - 3.4t - 6.8t
Cycle 4 - 6.8t - 13.6t - 6.8t

That should cover the national debt

Year 10

Cycle 1 - 6.8t - 13.6t
Cycle 2 - 13.6t - 27t
Cycle 3 - 27t - 54t
Cycle 4 - 54t - 109t - 54t

This year I'll give every man woman and child in the world $9,000.

After 10 years, I think I will just withdraw the entire last cycle out, giving me $54trillion dollars after I donate the other $54trillion dollar. Maybe I can buy my own country with this money.

So, not doing anything other than withdrawing money one cycle out of the year instead of every cycle. The results are this:

After 10 years:
My system - About $61 trillion taken out, $54 trillion left
Their system - $1 million dollars taken out, $25,000 left

Is this being greedy or unrealstic? Why would you want to take it out every cycle when the nature of doubling suggest the less time you take it out the more you can get?

Now, this is just one person. What about the whole group?

Currently: $90million

Year 1 (starting today)

Cycle 1 - 90m - 180m
Cycle 2 - 180m - 360m
Cycle 3 - 360m - 720m
Cycle 4 - 720m - 1.4b

Remember, the monster doesnt have to withdraw anything, so it constantly doubles.

Year 2

Cycle 1 - 1.4b - 2.8b
Cycle 2 - 2.8b - 5b
Cycle 3 - 5b - 10b
Cycle 4 - 10b - 20b

Year 3

Cycle 1 - 20b - 40b
Cycle 2 - 40b - 80b
Cycle 3 - 80b - 160b
Cycle 4 - 160b - 320b

Year 4

Cycle 1 - 320b - 600b
Cycle 2 - 600b - 1t
Cycle 3 - 1t - 2t
Cycle 4 - 2t - 4t

Year 5

Cycle 1 - 4t - 8t
Cycle 2 - 8t - 16t
Cycle 3 - 16t - 30t
Cycle 4 - 30t - 60t

Year 6

Cycle 1 - 60t - 120t
Cycle 2 - 120t - 200t
Cycle 3 - 200t - 400t
Cycle 4 - 400t - 800t

Year 7

Cycle 1 - 800t - 1.6quadrillion
Cycle 2 - 1.6q - 3q
Cycle 3 - 3q - 6q
Cycle 4 - 6q - 12q

Year 8

Cycle 1 - 12q - 24q
Cycle 2 - 24q - 48q
Cycle 3 - 48q - 96q
Cycle 4 - 96q - 180q

Year 9

Cycle 1 - 180q - 350q
Cycle 2 - 350q - 700q
Cycle 3 - 700q - 1.4quintillion
Cycle 4 - 1.4q - 2.8q

Year 10

Cycle 1 - 2.8q - 5q
Cycle 2 - 5q - 10q
Cycle 3 - 10q - 20q
Cycle 4 - 20q - 40q

By the 10th year everybody is making so much money, businesses dont need to see products anymore or advertise. Everybody will be spending 30 minutes a week reading adds and dumping their trillion EPC credits for $.01 on ymauction.

And remember, this is only 10 years. Most of us are starting to plan for retirement now 40 years down the road. Thats not even within retirement range yet.

And, its not even just that the math doesnt add up. By the nature it has to double every cycle. No question about it. But, as the site proves that it can generate $1trillion per year in advertising, everybody is going to want ot get a piece of that action. Who will need bank accounts when you can 16x your money in one year with no risk since it will have a proven track record of businesses pumping in quadrillions of dollars a year.

[ycchen]

Here is an investment strategy proposed by Mark Kessler. Do you think he is making a 6 figure income? :D
http://profitblaze.blogspot.com/2005/03/creating-6-figure-income.html

Creating a 6 figure income

This is my favorite "quick-start" strategy :)

*Buy 5 $320 positions (total cost: $1,600) and set them all to "repurchase till notified".

*At the end of the first cycle, your total number of positions owned doubles to 10 $320s.

*At the end of the second cycle, it doubles again to 20 $320 positions that you own.

*At the end of the third cycle, it doubles again to 40 $320 positions.

*At the end of the fourth cycle, it doubles to 80 positions each worth $320.

*Now it's time to switch the payout option to "recurring income $320" in order to get paid each time any of your 80 positions cycles.

*At the end of the next (ie, fifth) cycle, you get paid 80 x $320 = $25,600 to your which e-currency account/s you've specified. From there, you withdraw the funds into your own bank account.

From this time onwards, you'll get paid $25,600 every cycle. And cycles length in the past have typically ranged from 60 days to 90 days (though there is no guarantee on cycle times).

If you calculate on cycles being 90 days, that's 4 cycles per year... which is an annual income of 4 x $25,600 = $102,400 per year from then onwards.

And just think....you only laid down $1,600

Not a bad return for working 30 minutes a week huh?

[Shoes]

And you will miss out when all the members are enjoying a better life than you and are empowered to help people who are in need.

What purpose do you serve other than tell lies and spout garbage.

YMMSS is actually working.

Shug

[Shoes]

What is you YMMSS user name anyway. What hypocrites in this forum - they join YMMSS, just maybe it will work - Yet they continue to talk crap about it in here.

Shug

[sisco50]

And you will miss out when all the members are enjoying a better life than you and are empowered to help people who are in need.

What purpose do you serve other than tell lies and spout garbage.

YMMSS is actually working.

Shug

Math can be a lie when all the facts are unknown. However, math is an exact science as well when all the data is available, correct and applied properly. But I guess everyone knows this already. :)

Is YMMSS actually working? Depends on the numbers, which depend on complete and accurate information, which may or may not be available at this point in time. Complete and accurate information may never be available.

[drzod]

If Dreamer's math is correct (and it should be since it follows the logic of YMMSS). I think everyone in the world with internet access should join YMMSS.

Shoes, let me know why I have been deactivated in YMMSS. You seem to have all the answers, so let me know why I have been kicked out.

Shoes and YMforever, what guarantee will you give that YMMSS is legit? What promise will you make personally (do not give us Kim's in sights)? If YMMSS fails, what will you do for its members? Will you place your earnings into a refund pool to help members recoup their initial investment?

If you reactivate my account, and it works, I will give both of you $1,000 of my commissions from my first cycle when I decide to claim commissions. What will you do if YMMSS fails?

Put your money where your mouth is and stand behind your belief in Kim and YMMSS.

[Shoes]

Shoes, let me know why I have been deactivated in YMMSS. You seem to have all the answers, so let me know why I have been kicked out.

No Idea - better ask admin. Are you saying your main account or your access to the forum has been de-activated.

Whatever, you should know the answer. You cant trash the company over here and expect them to pay you commissions can you? I would imagine there are a few members in for a shock.

Shoes and YMforever, what guarantee will you give that YMMSS is legit? What promise will you make personally (do not give us Kim's in sights)? If YMMSS fails, what will you do for its members? Will you place your earnings into a refund pool to help members recoup their initial investment?

If YMMSS was to fail, I would certainly do whatever I could to re-imburse those I have sponsored.

However, with failure in mind, our principal sums of money are secure- so refunds would follow failure in any case.

Let us not forget though, the business cannot fail. Even with high cycle times and even if they go up,it cannot grind to a halt - anyone who say's otherwise is just not understanding what is going on.

Shug

[swishnev]

shoes, show us a way that ymmss will work based on numbers and not just faith. when/if you do that i believe you will find people more open.

[Arzel]

Let us not forget though, the business cannot fail. Even with high cycle times and even if they go up,it cannot grind to a halt - anyone who say's otherwise is just not understanding what is going on.

Shug

Shoes,

When you wake up from this dream you are having perhaps you will see where you are wrong, and that you have no idea what is going on. Perhaps you are too close to the forest to see that it is burning down from the other side.

I am not a member of YMMSS, but I will say with absolute certainty that YMMSS will fail, there is no doubt in my mind, and as a statistician I very rarely say anything is 100%.

[drzod]

Shoes, I agree that YMMSS will not grind to halt.... unless the money stops coming in.

Obviously, the amount coming in has dried up dramatically. Just a year ago, cycle times were at 74 days, and now they are at 250 days. That is an increase of 337.84% in one year. Check the amounts paid out on the YMMSS activity updates - those have declined just as fast as cycle times have increased.

How do you explain this?

Please tell me that you do not think that a new website, and a few hacking attempts would cause this increase.

An increased cycle time does not prove that YMMSS is a ponzi, but it does show that the fundamental business model set up back in 2002 was flawed.

All businesses must change and evolve with the times, but if you worked for someone who was doubling your pay every 74 days, and they suddenly said that your pay would now double every 250 days, you would want to know why.

The lack of information is disturbing, and so is the fact that anything questioning the cycle times is deleted.

Why can't someone explain why the cycle time is increasing at an exponential rate? Why is there no easy fix to the cycle time issue (it was not an issue until late last year)? Why is YMMSS admin now blaming members for this cycle time rise when it is their business?

[Salsa]

Here is an investment strategy proposed by Mark Kessler. Do you think he is making a 6 figure income? :D
If he started the strategy on December 6, 2003, he would have gotten his first $25,600 in cash commissions sometime within the last couple of weeks. December 7, 2003, maybe in the next couple of weeks. December 25, 2003 (or later), forget it. It was just a Christmas present to Kim.

Salsa
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[Shoes]

The lack of information is disturbing, and so is the fact that anything questioning the cycle times is deleted.

Not true - CTWatch is a very busy forum

Shug

[swishnev]

shoes, come up with some statistical information please. this will help tell the tale of your side.