IT4US Victims site

[Rhys]

There is a new IT4US Victims site here http://it4us-scam.com/ for logging factual info and victim names

[MatrixWatch]

Victim name and info logging? What assurances do the victims have that this site you mention is not just owned and operated by IT4US or its lawyers?

If the cause is indeed legitimate, then I'm all for it, but if it were really something backed by legal power then the class-action attornies would be asking that the info be sent to them directly, not through some vague website.

I think that the IT4US victims need more assurances that their info will not be used in the wrong way by this website you've linked.

They do have a really cool news box though. The headlines fade in and out, and I think that an active box like that is a great way to announce info. I wish we had something like it here on our forums page.

[Dreamer]

Does anybody have any update on what is going on with this site? Are they still operational? Are they paying people? What excuses are they giving people? What about their "educating" people that they always talked about?

[jokach]

Take note that Matrixwatch is here for the victims of IT4US.net victims as well, our forums are open for people to discuss the program, provide testimonials, etc. At least here you know who we are, and know that we're not the admins or lawyers of IT4US.net, trying to get information from people. We care about the victims and fight for their justice!

Anybody reading this thread that is involved in IT4US.net, please use our forums as a way to band together against being scammed. Contact me via PM or via email to discuss this more with us ... we want to help!

jokach

[MatrixWatch]

Take note that Matrixwatch is here for the victims of IT4US.net victims as well, our forums are open for people to discuss the program, provide testimonials, etc. At least here you know who we are, and know that we're not the admins or lawyers of IT4US.net, trying to get information from people.

Well said. And I would add that we really don't ask for people's personal information either.

[Rhys]

Victim name and info logging? What assurances do the victims have that this site you mention is not just owned and operated by IT4US or its lawyers?

They would be the strangest lawyers in existence if they operated this site when it is stuffed full of incriminating facts and data. I know the IT directors are pretty wierd, but nobody could be that stupid.

[MatrixWatch]

They would be the strangest lawyers in existence if they operated this site when it is stuffed full of incriminating facts and data. I know the IT directors are pretty wierd, but nobody could be that stupid.

Regardless, I wouldn't give my personal information to anyone anonymously like this, even if they WERE claiming that they were going to act on my behalf. And if I've learned one thing over the past couple years it is this--don't ever put anything behind lawyers. They'll call potential plaintiffs under the guise of a reporter trying to do an interview, just to gather facts... They'll even be willing to set up phony websites to gather information from prospective class-action members.

This is why we don't ask anyone for personal info, and if an attorney needs info from a person then we'll ask the person to contact the attorney themselves. We don't hand a list of addresses and phone numbers to an attorney, ever.

The operator of this website in question could very well be lining up a list of people that they plan to sell to a lawfirm for cash under the table! :shake: Honestly, who really knows?

Seriously, you never know what is happening behind the scenes, and I think that soliciting the personal info of IT4US victims is not the most transparent way to go about doing this.

Now, the project could still be legit, but in my own opinion, the way they are going about it is fishy.

[brenda]

Well, now that I have read here how bad I am going to end up in YM, could you please tell me what's going to happen to me in IT4US? lol :head: I have been waiting on $200 from them since April. Now they say they have to "verify" it. What is there to verify? Sometimes I wonder if they just set up their new website and put us all on it with the amount of money they owe us, just to get some kind of officials off their backs. They are 1000 times worse than YM. You can't say ANYTHING in their forums, just go there and smile and act like a phoney, like them. When will I get my $200 from them.? Talk about a bunch of liars. They are the liars. I am still one of the died in the wool YM fans. They are o.k. they just have had too many problems, but we are all sticking together because we want to. YM does not lie. They are all very nice and good people, but IT4US REALLY STRINGS us along with their website with nothing there. I think it is just there so they can say to the Federal Agents (in whatever country they are in) "Look we have this website and it "says" we owe this person this amount of money". ...

[eagles]

... could you please tell me what's going to happen to me in IT4US?

Did you read the latest update from Cap. providence at the SSP?

I want out of YM - 12 mths, no money. Not even on $320's.
Payout dates keep moving to the future :head:

At least IT paid out to Intgold till May. And have only been around since Nov. 2004. They are getting back on track now. :applause:

[RGDSR]

Is any on interested in initiating a class action suit against IT.. I believe that IT should be paying us at the rate they have taken our money, until they pay us. As of now, they have no intention on paying us any interest on the money they feel they can hold use and invest & spend on their "BOD Meeting - flying people all over the world" They feel there is NO penalty to drag out the payment to the members.
I believe they should pay us at the agreed rate that we gave our money to them PLUS a daily FINE until our monies are returned to us. Maybe then... they will be sufficiently motivated to return the funds they feel so freely to invest for thier own personal gain and pleasure. rgdsr@juno.com

[Rhys]

RGDSR Wrote
...is any one interested in initiating a class action suit against IT....

That is exactly what this thread is about
There is a new IT4US Victims site here http://it4us-scam.com/ for logging factual info and victim names

[brenda]

Does anybody have any update on what is going on with this site? Are they still operational? Are they paying people? What excuses are they giving people? What about their "educating" people that they always talked about?


I sent IT4US help desk a ticket the other day asking when we would be paid. They are starting with the people that they owe $100 first. Then will work on the ones they owe $200. I have been waiting for $200 since March when they supposedly "crashed" The reply I got from the help desk was, they didn't know. Their forum is patrolled by cops. If you say the wrong thing you get sent to the "Brig".

P.S. probably the only reason they have a "New" website, with a "New" payment plan, since their old plan supposedly "crashed", is they want to have erased what they did with all of our money under the "old" plan, if they should be investigated by the New Zealand authorities.

[BTCohen]

I read their latest IT announcement and it looks like the will NOT be taking anymore investments (for the want of a better word).

I wonder if legal action would be possible if they are making attempts to pay off those whom they took money from. Strange, they are currently showing total disrespect to all members by inhibiting anything close to free speech in their forum. You cannot even send Private Messages. Also, there are still thousands of investors from thier old system who have not signed up for the SS Prosperity. (Have you ever heard such a childish name as that?)

If it is premitted to post the announcement here I will, but I warn you it is very long. (Mostly waffle and big brotherisms)

[jokach]

If it is premitted to post the announcement here I will, but I warn you it is very long. (Mostly waffle and big brotherisms)


Go ahead and post it, I (and probably many others) would love to read it! :cool:

jokach

[timbain]

If anyone has any doubts about the scam site posted can always ring the local cops and ask them if they think it is real...or the local newpaper reporter who has also been looking into I.T.4US in Mac's home area of Hastings.

The only details going anywhere are the ones that you already gave to I.T. anyway...simple ones to allow the big dogs in Nz to DO something.

The SFO have a lower limit of 500k total required in order to investigate...and it is close to that now despite most people being too scared to help out.

Why not go and actually read the information and think about how much Mac and the rest of the BOD will thank you for letting them off if you do nothing ...all the people he has done this to before, all the future ones he is bound to feel invincible enough to do this to again in future.

Part of the reason that the SSP is all but gone is to hide from the authorities, they are not enjoying scrutiny at all so far it seems. They only way they get out of either paying or legal action is if we do nothing now.

JollyRoger and a few others have done a fantastic job going after I.T. and getting some action started to put things right, it won't be worth a thing if we don't all support them and at least tell our losses and/or stories concerning I.T.

All the local (Nz) police and press contact numbers are on the site....you can always go direct if that makes you feel safer. It is all verifiable.

I hope the people who have an interest in I.T. at least visit the site and think about what can be done based on what has been achieved so far.

Good to see some more people giving support to the people scammed here at M.W. ,
thanks for that. :)

Tim

[BTCohen]

Timbain

I am fairly sure that most IT investors are afraid to reveal their identity incase they dont get the funds they are hoping for.

I for one have made around 4 times what I put in, although it should have beem much more by now. (I have still to be paid though - so no actual money yet.)
I am torn equally between whether it's a scam or not. It's their communication that is appalling to me. They are so very annoying and inept.

If they REALLY are scammers then I would not hesitate to reveal my full name and details to the authorities but right now I could do with the money and am worried about that.

[ComplexKid]

BT, it is beyond any doubt a scam--at least the third one Mac's (a/k/a Ray Toler) pulled, with the same MO. CTIS and Cashtrade were the other two that I know of. Cashtrade supposed to be paid by CTIS when it went belly-up, CTIS to be paid by IT when Mac ran off with the money from that. I believe we had a member here who was involved in one of them, and she told the story.

I had a hard disk crash so no longer have the bookmark, and maybe it's gone now, but as early as June of last year, the old IT site was up, only on a different server and apparently not open for business yet. Maybe someone can try the wayback machine? (I'd volunteer but my computer is slower than molasses). The new scams seem to go into 'pre-launch' whilst the current one is still running.

I suspect the only reason even small payments are trickling out is Mac/Ray's fear of deportation now that the authorities are starting to take an interest in him.

There have, I believe, been actual suicides over this mess. And if the guy isn't stopped, he'll do this to people again and again.

Please--report it. There is in all likelihood millions owing to members, and I doubt anyone is going to get much of anything back. At least help stop the guy from victimising anyone else.

[Rhys]

As ComplexKid says :
Please--report it. There is in all likelihood millions owing to members, and I doubt anyone is going to get much of anything back. At least help stop the guy from victimising anyone else.

The Allegation of Fraud has been laid to the NZ SFO, but there is room for more victim claim info before the actual prosecution starts.

The more losses recorded there, the longer these scammers will have to regret messing with us!

[MatrixWatch]

Community action is a powerful thing.

[ycchen]

I wonder if we should copy the "it4us-scam.com" self-empowerment against IT4us scam on YMMSS?

Then, we will know how much money the honest business man hide from us, and hopefully triggle an action by authorities from the U.S. or Belize or both?

If there is not technical difficulty, then I strongly suggest we start a "ymmss-scam" here or a new website: ymmss-scam.com, similar to that of IT4US-scam.com.

YMMSS is dead. It is just a matter of time for the majority of members to give up their false hope. By then, a place to register their lost is something every victims can participate.