Kim Inman says 90 days by the end of 2005

[surfer]

It was reported from the Independence, MO
gathering over the weekend that Kim said
"something" will happen in the next 2 months
to bring smiles to YMMSS affiliates' faces.

He is also reported to have said that cycle
times will be down to 90 days by the end of
the year.

So, I guess we can pin September 2, 2005
as another deadline for Kim Inman and YMMSS
to make or miss. ;)

Of course, that means that commissions "paid"
would need to be over $200 Million by the end
of the year.

We shall see.

[Dreamer]

Will this change my predictions? Nope. But, I will start saving all my nickles from work so I can dump it into the system if it can hold the 90 day cycle for 60 days.

The truth of the matter is even if he had the donor donate $70million dollars (to bring it down to 90 days tonight) people are still losing faith in the system, so the CT will still rise by 1 every day, adn the only accomplishment of that donation will be to get a whole bunch of people out of the system who havent cycled yet and have lost complete faith and just want out.

[surfer]

Of course, there is some confusion over what
was really said.

YMMSS affiliate/YMForum moderator Norilee is
the one who made the statements I alluded
to above.

YMMSS affiliate MartialArtist is stated that Kim
said only that he will do his best to get cycle
times back down to 90 days by the end of 2005.

Some seem to think these are coming from two
different sessions from the weekend.

Ahhh, confusion. How convenient for Kim Inman.

[Gringo]

It's imperitive that Kim dangle another carrot out now that the server carrot has wilted. People need something in the 2 - 3 month time frame to keep them hanging on. Less than that, you don't get enough milage from it, longer than that, people are too impatient.

Good timing also since in the recent Q&A they reveled the income from all the other outside sources--Golf, banner ads, etc. Total income is less than $5,000. That's total cumulative, not per month. As was previously reveled, the resort produces zero income. So much for Kim creating this diversified, multi-million dollar empire to prop up the main ponzi.

As the disappointment grows, each new fix needs to be even bigger and better than the last in order for people to buy into it. At this point the downward momentum is so great that I'm not sure that anything he can promise will have much of an impact on the decline, but Kim has shown he can be creative in coming up with ideas to string people along so who knows.

[Dreamer]

Makes me wonder if kimmy even know about his business. He will do his best to get the cycle down to 90 days? That would require about $80million in donations between now and than. If he can pull that off, and keep it at 90 days, i'm putting my money there. That shows, that when times look like its going to collapse any day now, that he s able to pull it thru to make good on a promise, he has my voite.

However, remember when everything was always 18 months away? Now if hes saying by the end of the year I think he is admitting that the site will be pretty much dead by the end of 2005, but he doesnt want people to lose faith just yet.

[Shoes]

Well,'Kimmy' knows who you are anyway - so dont assume you will be able to purchase EPC's when things get better. Dream on.

Shug

[Dreamer]

Oh i got friends that will purchase epcs for me. And for kimmy its all about the money...he could care less where it comes from so long as he can get his sweaty palms on it.

[surfer]

Kim is supposed to announce his plan of action
that will bring cycle times down to 90 days
this weekend in the UK.

It is supposed to knock your socks off

Should be interesting to say the least. :)

[surfer]

While I wait in breathless anticipation to see
what Kim Inman has up his YMMSS sleeves,
I just had to do some figuring to see what
type of numbers he'll have to generate to
get YMMSS back to 90 days by the end of
the year.

I decided to go with 3 different scenarios to
provide some different totals to accomplish
this stunning feat.

In each scenario I'm giving Kim 3 full months
from the beginning of July to get his plan of
action revved up and in full gear. :)

Scenario 1

YMMSS continues to limp along at slightly better
than its current pace. I decided to calculate it
based on cycle times rising only 6 days per week.
Right now, it is actually not even performing that
well.

Going at this pace, cycle times would be at about
328 days by 9/30/05.

From July 1 to September 30, the commissions paid
stats will have to increase by around $11 million.
This would put total "payouts" at around $102
million and they would be processing 11/6/04.

That leaves the final 3 months of 2005 to process
the rest of 2004 plus the first 9 full months of 2005.

So, taking a total of $102 million "paid" up to 9/30/05
and subtracting the total of around $44 million that
had been paid up to 11/6/04, you get around $58
million that needs to be cycled in October, November,
and December of 2005.

Statistically, the next cycle's "payouts" have averaged
around 220% of the previous cycle's "payouts".

In order for YMMSS to be back at 90 days in this
scenario, the final 3 months of the year need to total
close to $128,000,000.00 or close to $42.5 million
per month.

Scenario 2

YMMSS gets a big burst of enthusiasm and for the
next 3 months cycle times remain the same.

In order for this to happen, commissions paid through
10/1/05 would have to equal around $60 million,
putting total paid commissions at around $151 million
and YMMSS would be processing 1/17/05.

Subtracting 1/17/05 total commission stats of
around $65 million from $151 million gives us a total
of $86 million that would need to be cycled over
the final 3 months of 2005 to get back to 90 day
cycle times.

$86 million X 2.2 = $189,200,000.00 or a little
over $63 million per month that will have to be
processed for Kim's fantastic plan of action to
work as promised.

Scenario 3

This is a bit drastic, but if YMMSS were to simply
shut down payments for the following 3 months
while Kim Inman puts his master plan in place,
the numbers would play out the following way.

$91.3 million from processing finished on Thursday
minus $38.3 million from 10/24/04 totals equals
$53 million that would have to be cycled in the
final 3 months to get back to 90 days.

$53 million X 2.2 = $116,600,000.00 total or
almost 39 million per month.

So there you have it. No matter how you cut it,
slice it, or dice it, Kim Inman is going to have to
make it possible to generate more "payouts" in the
last 3 months of this year than he will have made
in the entire history of YMMSS combined.

Boy, I simply can't wait to hear what should be
a very detailed and goal oriented plan of action
announced this weekend in the UK. :applause:

I'm already making plans to refinance my house
to buy in. :bow:

[Gringo]

I had predicted that soon after the server solution failed to reverse CT, that there would essentially be no hope left for affiliates and that Kim would need to restructure YMMSS to keep it going. Is this the beginning? Although I wouldn't be suprised if the big announcement was just more of the same ideas so far such as a new business unit, new revenue source, new outside investment, pay forward, pay back, commission incentives, etc., I'm thinking that it could be a more fundamental restructuring of how the matrix works, or some sort of manditory change in the payment schedule.

[surfer]

We will see soon enough Gringo. :)

I have two extra pairs of socks and clean
underwear just in case. :eek:

[concerned]

I had predicted that soon after the server solution failed to reverse CT, that there would essentially be no hope left for affiliates and that Kim would need to restructure YMMSS to keep it going.

How can anyone think that a new server would improve business? The server doesn't make business decissions. It doesn't generate income to cycle people. So why would the die hards believe that it will be an improvement?

[Arzel]

How can anyone think that a new server would improve business? The server doesn't make business decissions. It doesn't generate income to cycle people. So why would the die hards believe that it will be an improvement?

Simple, because Kim said that it would. Greed is great for blinding you to the obvious.

[surfer]

New servers are the cornerstone to building
a bright and bubbly YMMSS future.

Once they are operating properly, the new
retail site can be launched, the YMMSS
internal payment system can be launched,
etc., etc.

Sounds good. :rolleyes: ;)

[Arzel]

A quick look at the YM forums and you would think that cycle times are already back at 90 days! The mentality just amazes me, what makes anyone think it is even remotely possible?

Nothing that has happened over the past 7 months indicates that the current trend will change, and the amount of money needed to make such a transformation is incredible, as many have noted it will take as much money as YMMSS has paid out in it's entire life over the next half year to get back to that point. Such a turnaround would be of epic proportions to say the least.

[surfer]

It is quite amazing, isn't it?

I think I'm almost as excited as many of
the YMMSS affiliates are to hear this
grand plan.

It never ceases to amaze me how people
can send a complete stranger their hard
earned money without thinking about how
the absurd promises of easy wealth will
be attained.

Seems to show just how desperate people
are.

[surfer]

I'm thinking that it could be a more fundamental restructuring of how the matrix works, or some sort of manditory change in the payment schedule.

You may definitely be on to something there Gringo.

If you listen to the 7/7/05 evening conference call,
Kim says that "we really believe that everybody will
love this new system" and that "it will immediately
take us down to a 90 day cycle time".

That is at around the 38 minute mark of the conference.

Very, very interesting.

[Gringo]

Kim says that "we really believe that everybody will love this new system" and that "it will immediately take us down to a 90 day cycle time".

Interesting that he used the word "system".

There's clearly no way for Kim to generate the kind of cash necessary to bring CT down to the 90 day range with the way the system is structured today, so either he's making this all up and presenting a POTENTIAL way to reverse things, i.e. we all just need to buy 1 more EPC per day, and bring one more person week that does the same..., or he really will reset the CT by some sort of ponzi restructure--a new "system".

[surfer]

Yep. As it stands, he needs to cycle around
$45 million right now just to catch up, roughly
equivalent to $100 million "paid".

To "immediately" be back at 90 days would be
one hell of a tweaking and would have to be
something drastic as far as the pay structure
goes. :)

[Mat_Watcher]

In my understanding immediatly is referred to the procedure to reduce the cycle time days.
In a couple of months the procedure should be implemented and immediatly it should begin to reduce cycle days to hit 90 days at the end of year.

Many Thanks

[Dreamer]

I think maybe the survey has something to do with it. Maybe they realize that only 10% of the members are actually active, so they are gong to deactivate everybodys accounts, dropping the cycle time down that way. Or, claim a database error, nobody submitted any surveys, so everybody is deactivated.

[Mat_Watcher]

You forget to mention that next week will be implemented the ads reading track.
Tomorrow this time we should know something more.


Many Thanks

[Dreamer]

So, they are going to deactivate all account that dont take the survey and isnt reading 30 minutes a week than? Maybe thats the way to drop cycle time.

[Arzel]

I agree with Dreamer. The YM plan is to deactivate many accounts allowing cycle times to decrease.....however, I still see a huge problem, because those with the most to lose (gain) will be the most likely to participate in the survey, resulting in no real change.

This is just another carrot. The cycle times really have no way to reduce unless thousands of positions are just skipped.

[Mat_Watcher]

I agree with Dreamer. The YM plan is to deactivate many accounts allowing cycle times to decrease......

I think that was very easy to deactivate them along the past and do not allow the cycle to increase.
I can't see the logic on what is quoted above.

Increasing of cycle time caused lot of problems as lack of new purchases,of new affiliates,of new advertisers.

If the solution was so simple,why they do not deactivate who do not read ads in real time and do not leave the cycle time to raise along 6 months?

Can You explain me?

Many Thanks

[surfer]

I'm not as big of a conspiracy theorist as Dreamer
and Arzel. :)

Mat_Watcher, they couldn't deactivate people in the
past because they still don't have any real tracking
in place to prove whether or not people were doing
any reading.

For the conspiracy theorists in the group, the first
attempt at thinning the herd was when they changed
every affiliate's password and a lot of people had
problems getting access to their accounts again.

There were quite a few posts to the forums about this,
so I would have to say that there were a great many
more who aren't registered on the forums that had the
same issues.

Many of those who only plopped in expendable cash
probably didn't even bother to get things straightened
out.

We should have Kim's grand new plan by the end of
the day. I can't wait.

[Gringo]

Looks like I hit the nail on the head this time with the preduction that YMMSS would end the current structure. Here is the description from their Office forum for the benefit of those that cannot access it:
Subject: Straight from Kim July 10, 2005 #1

Straight from Kim

Hello!

This is the first issue of our new newsletter.

My plan is to issue these as needed, at least once a month, but possibly more often. There is a LOT happening. And this issue is probably the most
important communication I have made since we began YMMSS more than three years ago.

An Evolved YMMSS

2005. We began the year with a challenge with multiple causes. We will end it I believe, with a huge advance. Members and staff weighed in with ideas. I went back to late night, solitary sessions of figuring.

Out of my figuring and (in many cases) your ideas, comes a simpler business and pay structure for all affiliates. One that integrates the best of the old with some new features I am about to describe.

1. Fixed 90 Day Cycle Times.

No longer will cycles depend on waiting. No longer will they fluctuate. When you buy (or own) Discounted Advertising value below 32, the associated commission position will cycle at 90 day intervals until it reaches a Discounted Advertising Value of 32. That position will then be placed in a "Reading Fees Account" and transformed into credits.

2. Weekly Payments.

All who have positions worth a Discounted Advertising Value of 32 will have them placed in our new "Reading Fees Account" and affiliates will receive a percentage of the weekly CPA based on the number of credits they have. This will be weekly revenue from all sources divided among our affiliates according to their participation. The following is just an example of how it would work. Result will vary and this should not and cannot be used as an inducement to join this program.

Example:

5,184,032 total credits in the Reading Fees Accounts

Your Your
Credits % $500K $750K $1M $2M

32 .000617% $3.09 $4.63 6.17 $12.35

320 .00617% $30.86 $46.30 $61.73 $123.46

3200 .0617% $308.64 $462.96 $617.28 $1,234.56

32000 .617% $3,086 $4,629 $6,172 $12,345

And:

3. More Money in the Commissions Payable Account.

Our legal team has put its foot down and we can no longer pay the three percent commission to sponsors of new affiliates. This revenue will join other revenue to make a larger CPA every week.

In addition, Admin will no longer receive 22 percent of the price of lesser" positions as they cycle automatically to maturity. We will be seeing more and more additional income as Retail advertising sales begin in earnest and as we carefully add new partnerships, businesses, and income streams from our admin-side investments.

A description of all these changes will be posted in the coming weeks. We will begin work on creating two new database tables that will replace the current ones. Happily, we can create these from scratch without the need to port them from one platform to another.

Table 1 will be our Discounted Advertising Accumulation Table, this will
show your existing positions cycling every 90 days. You will know exactly where you stand.

Table 2 will be our "Reading Fees Account". You will see exactly where you stand in terms of a share of our weekly income.

Here are some immediate advantages:

1. The income is recurrent forever. Everyone will get more in much less time.

2. Fixed 90 day cycles will enable members to know exactly at what point they will enter the "Reading Fees Account".

3. We are "paying forward" big time by giving all existing $320 positions a stake immediately in weekly income.

4. By not infinitely turning over positions, we are answering everyone who has ever had questions about sustainability.

5. We are moving to five rather than six cycles to qualify for income that could well exceed the current return on a $320 position. In fact, I believe that member initiatives in all areas will be unleashed by the dynamo of a weekly pay system.

6. We are moving to create this simultaneous with the inauguration of our retail ad program, which will, I believe, create a synergistic increase in our affiliate base.

7. We are more easily promotable to a skeptical public because we are basing payment on real events rather than predicted possibilities.

How soon will fixed cycles, weekly payment and a more generous CPA be in place?

I am not setting any dates, but I will promise this; on my return from my trip to UK and Europe I will be working directly with a team of programmers to achieve this ASAP.

How soon as that?

Let's put it this way. I believe this will be accomplished as soon as it takes our affililiates to digest this news and understand its profound implications for our common business future and start spreading the word to the world.

An evolved YM hand in hand with STA.

Hold on Web. There's A New Kid on the Block.

All the best,
Kim

PS: Here are some key benchmarks you may find helpful in explaining our company to others:

Phase 1 - Develop an environment where people can advertise their goods and services while compensating those that read the
ads so that they may purchase from the advertisers. Done.

Phase 2 - Build Affiliate base to 25000+, a number desired by most companies that want to advertise on the Internet. Done.

Phase 3 - Solicit Retail Advertising dollars from companies that want to advertise to our Affiliates. Initiated.

Phase 4 - Offer an abundance of products / services to enhance the overall value of being an Affiliate Initiated.

Phase 5 - Build Affiliate base to 100,000. A target for late 2006.

Also further explaination from Esto:
The smaller positions will simply be advanced 1-2-4-8-16 until they become $320 positions at which point they are transformed into credits $320=32 epcs and become part of your stake in a weekly payout based on all income received.

Analysis:

1. Fixed 90 Day Cycle Times: EPCs below $320 cycle at 90 day fixed intervals. No mention if they can be withdrawn which is very important. If they can be, then this is an incentive for people to buy a bunch of small EPCs rather than the $320 ones. Since the cycle time is fixed at 90 days, this will lead to a negative balance in the pool when people double once then withdraw and the system is no better off than before. It WILL colapse. If you are forced to leave your money in until it double to the $320 level, then see the following $320 pay structure:

2. Weekly Payments for people with EPCs at $320: You get a percent of the weekly income according to the percentage share of the total $320 EPCs participating in the pool. We don't know what the actual credits in the "Reading Fees Accounts" is, but using the given example and using a more realistic but still very generous average of $50,000 per day into the CPA, a $320 EPC earns $2.16 for that week.

Much more complicated than the "double your money every 60 - 90 days" from before. This alone will continue to cause the new investments to drop. At some point Kim will pull his weekly and monthly outside income contributions since he will be putting in more than he is getting out.

Our legal team has put its foot down and we can no longer pay the three percent commission to sponsors of new affiliates.

What's with this??? After 3 years the lawyers suddenly decide it illegal? More than likely they needed to get away from anything that appeared to be an incentive for affiliates to recruit more affiliates.

. By not infinitely turning over positions, we are answering everyone who has ever had questions about sustainability. As if they were just trying to answer critics, not that there really was a problem with long term sustainability. De facto he admits his perfect plan that always worked as it was designed, was an failure.

Essentially, Kim has begin the strategy that has been used by other doublers to stay alive, that being to reorgainze the pay structure from a simple ponzi type to a system that stretches payments out farther and is dependent on a percent of income earned.

Given that the fundamental "real" product offered by YMMSS is and has been proven to be of no value, namely paid-to-read advertising, the program will continue to decline. Expect further modifications down the road as things get worse. Kim's got his millions safely set aside from the first few high income earning years of the ponzi so he's set for life.

[Arzel]

I think that was very easy to deactivate them along the past and do not allow the cycle to increase.
I can't see the logic on what is quoted above.

Increasing of cycle time caused lot of problems as lack of new purchases,of new affiliates,of new advertisers.

If the solution was so simple,why they do not deactivate who do not read ads in real time and do not leave the cycle time to raise along 6 months?

Can You explain me?

Many Thanks

I was wrong, so my response is moot, but this is what it would have been. If people don't read for the 30 minutes, then they are deactivated. Make the reactivation very difficult. YMMSS already has the money, and doesn't have to pay anything out on it, so cycle times could theoretically go down. But like I said, the change was much more drastic, so my theory about deactivation is wrong. :)

[Arzel]

Looks like I hit the nail on the head this time with the preduction that YMMSS would end the current structure. Here is the description from their Office forum for the benefit of those that cannot access it:


Also further explaination from Esto:


Analysis:

1. Fixed 90 Day Cycle Times: EPCs below $320 cycle at 90 day fixed intervals. No mention if they can be withdrawn which is very important. If they can be, then this is an incentive for people to buy a bunch of small EPCs rather than the $320 ones. Since the cycle time is fixed at 90 days, this will lead to a negative balance in the pool when people double once then withdraw and the system is no better off than before. It WILL colapse. If you are forced to leave your money in until it double to the $320 level, then see the following $320 pay structure:

2. Weekly Payments for people with EPCs at $320: You get a percent of the weekly income according to the percentage share of the total $320 EPCs participating in the pool. We don't know what the actual credits in the "Reading Fees Accounts" is, but using the given example and using a more realistic but still very generous average of $50,000 per day into the CPA, a $320 EPC earns $2.16 for that week.

Much more complicated than the "double your money every 60 - 90 days" from before. This alone will continue to cause the new investments to drop. At some point Kim will pull his weekly and monthly outside income contributions since he will be putting in more than he is getting out.

Yes, a drastic change. I really thought Kim would hang onto the original Ponzi structure because he was soo adament about not limiting income doubling. It makes sense though, the current system was not working....I am a little surprised that he finally admits it though. So much for the ultimate program born from a dream.



What's with this??? After 3 years the lawyers suddenly decide it illegal? More than likely they needed to get away from anything that appeared to be an incentive for affiliates to recruit more affiliates.

I agree


As if they were just trying to answer critics, not that there really was a problem with long term sustainability. De facto he admits his perfect plan that always worked as it was designed, was an failure.

Essentially, Kim has begin the strategy that has been used by other doublers to stay alive, that being to reorgainze the pay structure from a simple ponzi type to a system that stretches payments out farther and is dependent on a percent of income earned.

Given that the fundamental "real" product offered by YMMSS is and has been proven to be of no value, namely paid-to-read advertising, the program will continue to decline. Expect further modifications down the road as things get worse. Kim's got his millions safely set aside from the first few high income earning years of the ponzi so he's set for life.

Good call Gringo, so much for YMMSS being "Unlike anything ever done before" as Jim and Berry so often mention on their conference calls. YMMSS is proving to be just like every other ponzi/matrix that has survived long enough to reach the re-organization period.

It will be interesting to see what the YMMSS masses think about all of this. Those that bought a lot of small EPCs will start to see their small cut in about 2 years (assuming it takes the normal half year for Kim to implement a plan). Suddenly the bank is not looking all that bad anymore.

[surfer]

I'd also like to know why such a dramatic change
if we were so dead wrong about the sustainability.

Why would we sceptics even need to be addressed?

Has anyone noticed something that is conspicuously
absent from the new plan description?

I'm not seeing info on just what Kim's cut is going to
be. It says he is no longer taking a cut of the smaller
positions, so what's in it for him?

Other than the obvious fact that he probably has the
most mature EPC of everyone in the matrix. ;)

[concerned]

A description of all these changes will be posted in the coming weeks. We will begin work on creating two new database tables that will replace the current ones. Happily, we can create these from scratch without the need to port them from one platform to another.

Is anyone aware that in order to have a good database, you need more than 2 tables? I would assume that a reliable relational database for his needs would need at least 20-30 tables minimum.

[Mat_Watcher]

Is anyone aware that in order to have a good database, you need more than 2 tables? I would assume that a reliable relational database for his needs would need at least 20-30 tables minimum.

I think they will add 2 new tables on running database to replace the ones no more needed.
Its just a 2 min work to do and some weeks to fill,depending on how many persons will work on it.

Many Thanks