Banned members

[MatrixWatch]

I would like to apologize to the members here for my quick reaction against uwantme and tcb1969a. I banned them for thread hijacking, and I am sorry that my decision affected the reputation of these forums as a "free" environment for different opinions. I have reinstated them, and I hope that their membership here enables our discussion to reach a depth that is not found anywhere else. Thank you all for your feedback and support during the past few days. Again, I apologize to all of you, especially tcb, uwantme, hello, and BigStarr.

Looking forward to more discussion with you all.

[Agent|Star]

Thanks watchdog...

I realize what you are saying about hijacking... It can be hard not to reply to someone who directs a question or comment in the wrong direction.. It is natrual to respond should we ignore it?

No more hijacking that goes for watchdog supporters as well I hope. :cool:

Thanks again watchdog as I'll try hard not to stray from off the topics of threads.

[Arzel]

I think a simple reply to start a new thread with the new line of questions would be a good response.

[mjkski]

Great decision Watchdog. It would be very boring being in a discussion where everyone agreed. A little spice always makes things a little more interesting

[hello]

I have the upmost respect for you WatchDog, that takes a lot of guts to push pride out of the way and reinstate the people you banned.

[matrixfriendly]

Originally posted by hello
I have the upmost respect for you WatchDog, that takes a lot of guts to push pride out of the way and reinstate the people you banned.

There was no pride and gut pushing in order to reinstate the banned members! This was merely an attempt to avoid the damage the banned members was going to cause by using other forums that he could not control and delete. This was all about the image of this site. It did not help, because the damage has been done.

[hello]

To Matrixfriendly:

Wow, aren't you being a little harsh, I mean he didn't have to reinstate any one, and on top of that he didn't have to apologize to the members either. I do believe that it took guts to do that, and I do NOT believe it was "an attempt to avoid the damage the banned members was going to cause by using other forums that he could not control and delete". I mean what difference does it make what any one says about him on any other forum. After a while it starts to look bad on the person who is doing the complaining, it's like "Mommy, WatchDog hurt me", I mean honestly, how would reinstating any one stop them from posting bad things on other forums. That is just crazy. I believe WatchDog realized that he was letting his personal feelings get in the way of comments from other members, he is human and he feels, there is nothing wrong with that, but in no way did he have to reinstate the members that were banned to make himself look good, he took a big step forward with reinstating the banned members and even apologized to them, that speaks volumes in my book. Matrixfriendly, how has the damage been done? It is over, the members are back, they had a chance to let off a little steam, it's good to see how others feel, but there is no point in beating a dead horse.

[mjkski]

Wow Matrixfriendly

That was pretty tough. I thought I was a cynic.

[matrixfriendly]

Yes, maybe I was a little harsh. I am still pretty niffed about the unequal playing fields here. However, I still think that this was done in part to keep some of the banned members (that really stay active in alot of forums on this issue) from bashing this site. Just my two cents but I will try to calm down a little.

[tcb1969a]

I doubt seriously that I will write much on here. But let me clarify something. I did no such thing as thread hijacking. I responded to some new person who wanted Watch Dogs help because under the new persons own acknowedgement that they were stupid in not reading the matrix site info that they have not cycled at and now have lost there money. So I made a comment about doesn't anyone take responsibility for there own actions anymore, without begging someone to help them out of the predicament they got themselves into....Oh, and yes I used the words ***** ****** in there as well, for which ticked off Watch Dog, so I was immediately banned period with no way to defend myself. Also that same day I had been banned by ebay, undoubtedly from someone from here who reported an auction of mine that WAS NOT in violation of ebay policy...But nonethelest was still banned from ebay. Of course Watch Dog did not want to here nothing I had to say and banned me.

Also let me clarify something, Watch Dog, I do not accept your apology. Since it is built on bogus reasoning. You did not ban me for thread hijacking. All respect for you I had is now lost.

If you are going to apologize don't spout off incorrect reasoning......

Oh, and as you have stated in your email to me. Remember the play on words you did. It said something to the effect that you did not Ban me, that you suspended me, so you didn't want me to keep saying I was banned. Yet many times on here you don't even take your own words to heart.....when you repeated have said on your own board that I was banned....

Get it straight......Oh and by the way I don't care if I get kicked off of here again....either.

Hopefully people will see that you are not telling the truth, before you kick me off.....



haha....I see he has put in asterisks in where I made a coment up above. Of course I don't think the Lords name is a cuss word, though it depends on how it is used.....

[matrixfriendly]

This is true!! I was also suspended for a 6 month period, but my account was deleted by the admin from the forum all together. This sounds like a ban to me. I had to completely remake my account. This is not a suspension, it was a ban.

[tcb1969a]

Luckily, mine wasn't completely deleted, though it is funny to me how Watch Dog can criticize me in emails for saying I was banned, when he says I was only placed on suspension, when he himself has said it in his own forums that I was banned.....

I just wish he would get his act together.....


Here is what he wrote me:

I did not ban you, I suspended you for four months. Your posts were becoming more and more taunting to those who genuinely needed the help of Matrix Watch. There are some more developments ahead and the forums need to be cleared of any liabilities. You are incorrect about the anti matrix posts. I have banned more erradic anti-matrix members for their comments than pro-matrix members. You may contact me when your four months are up and I will reinstate your forum access.

[MatrixWatch]

BigStar,
I just read a post of your on a forum at another site. I was a little surprized, especially since you accepted my apology earlier.

from the matrix sites forum

Www|BigStarr|Com Posted: Aug 6 2003, 12:01 AM


Honestly.. from the image he trys to hold up publically, I was so surprised by WatchDogs actions on that day. I expected a whole lot better of him.

The things he was posting after the banning of uwantme was just horribly stupid.. He clearly wasn't taking the time to THINK and relax a bit... He was reacting on impulse...

I swear he kept digging himself into a deeper hole, which made him look worse with every post. Best part is his fellow Doggies didn't agree to his actions. Of course, now that he reinstated all account after realizing how stupid he was looking his doggies support him once again... They'll reply with a "let it go" heheh...

YOU GUYS let it go!! Let go of your cause against closing every matrix! lol... It comes down to credibility.. If we can show that public what kind of man "heads" the matrixwatch it discredits a lot of his actions/comments.

Be more professional hehhee

So this is why you and the other matrix supporters here on the site will not drop this issue. You are convinced that if you can use this menial incident to discredit my reputation you can then somehow dismantle what is happening here at Matrix Watch. Well, I have news for you... Fix your industry! What makes the campaign behind this website grow is all the disgruntled customers who come here to get their questions answered. They are thrilled to know that a group of people is sticking up for them, and that they have a shot at getting 100% refunds.

In addition, your argument in your post is highly flawed. It is a textbook example of an An Hominem argument, which means in Latin, Against the Person. The flaw in this argument is that it assumes that by discrediting the person, you can discredit what he has said. It would be like my mechanic telling me that I need a new engine, and I disagreed with him because I think he is an idiot since he has a bad attitude. You see, it may be an attack on his character, but it does not deal with the issue that he has addressed.

I have also read another post tonight on another forum stating:

from the EzExpo forum
From: matrixfriendly Sent: 8/5/2003 7:13 PM
I am in full support of TCB and Uwantme!! They were treated unfairly. Arzel and peterdragin are as guilty of this as anyone on that site, but do you see them getting banned. No, just matrix supporters. So much for free speech. Watchdog(tim) is so full of himself. He has no respect for anyone that does not agree with him. All he is trying to accomplish is to rally support for his petty little lawsuit. He wants the power over at matrixwatch, but remember he is one of the people that did not read a single sentence on the site before buying in. Now should people really listen to someone that cannot read?

Notice that neither of these posts mention that (in this thread) I have issued an apology to all the members and have reinstated those banned members. I have given you more free speech in the last five days than the whole last month, as long as you agree to follow a few reasonable rules (which you have). All of this ranting is not making the pro-matrix side look any better. You guys need to do something about your industry, and get off this issue of how unfair you think I am because I banned a few of you for your conduct here on the site. The more time you spend on this, the more time your customers and contemporaries have their questions unanswered by you, and answered by Matrix Watch.

[Agent|Star]

To much text.
You were rash, You know it...
I never joined here to "dismantle" anything...
Remember I was a member before this all happened...
I joined because I read what hurley said about me and I needed to defend myself after showing up I realized TCB stood alone.. We needed to show our support for matrix in a place that was so one tracked.. Thats why I come here daily..

I dont start threads on other boards to show that kind of posts you make lol... Do I?
They are the ones showcasing your behavior not me. I say so be it, cause you really surprised me with your actions recently. Like I said, I expected better by far.
Im not gonna lie it was nice to see you mess up. Kinda like when your a kid and you'd give anything to see your "bully" get his butt kicked.. :cool:

[tcb1969a]

Hmm....interesting, though I don't remember you apologizing to me.....or was that something I overlooked.....

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by watchdog
I would like to apologize to the members here for my quick reaction against uwantme and tcb1969a. I banned them for thread hijacking, and I am sorry that my decision affected the reputation of these forums as a "free" environment for different opinions. I have reinstated them, and I hope that their membership here enables our discussion to reach a depth that is not found anywhere else. Thank you all for your feedback and support during the past few days. Again, I apologize to all of you, especially tcb, uwantme, hello, and BigStarr.

Looking forward to more discussion with you all.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by watchdog
You guys need to do something about your industry, and get off this issue of how unfair you think I am because I banned a few of you for your conduct here on the site. The more time you spend on this, the more time your customers and contemporaries have their questions unanswered by you, and answered by Matrix Watch. [/B]


I agree with you on this... I have joined the MatrixAgency and been making a lot of suggestions... I honestly am trying to help the Matrix community... I aim to close down / make people aware of bad matrix sites (scammers//runaways) We need to start there as they are the ones that created a hugely bad rep on the matrix community & it makes me furious that they just rob people! I just joined the group 3 days ago... I'm trying :D

[tcb1969a]

Oh....yea....I remember that one.....that one apology actually anoyed me when you apologize for banning me for Thread Hijacking though you never said to me I was banned for Thread Hijacking. It was for interfering in your cause when I responded to a newbie, about people not taking responsibility for their own actions and then of course for using the lords name.....You said I was being more and more taunting.

So you throw out some stuff that is untrue and attach an apology to it, which is quite insulting to say none-the-least.....

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by BigStarr
I agree with you on this... I have joined the MatrixAgency and been making a lot of suggestions... I honestly am trying to help the Matrix community... I aim to close down / make people aware of bad matrix sites (scammers//runaways) We need to start there as they are the ones that created a hugely bad rep on the matrix community & it makes me furious that they just rob people! I just joined the group 3 days ago... I'm trying :D

But remember BigStarr.....according to WatchDog....all Matrix sites are bad.....they are built on a bad business model that will fail.....or so he says something similar to that.........

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
But remember BigStarr.....according to WatchDog....all Matrix sites are bad.....they are built on a bad business model that will fail.....or so he says something similar to that.........


Yeah I hear ya... Thats the difference between He & I...
He targets all sites...
I target scammer sites...


*As Far As Banned Members.. Im Done With This Topic! I think we should all move on...

[tcb1969a]

Yes.....we....should move on.....

[hurley9192]

So, I'm the one responsible for bringing Big Starr over here??

I guess I should apologize for that then...:D Actually, it's good to have you guys here, because otherwise, this would be a boring site.

Also, you guys keep complaining that there are different rules or different treatment. What do you expect? Have you ever played a sport at an opposing teams home field? It's much worse than this having some jack$%* father belittling you for a couple hours about your mother and other stuff.

That's fine though, I threw down 32 on his kid and got him to foul out in overtime as we pulled away down the stretch.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by hurley9192
Also, you guys keep complaining that there are different rules or different treatment. What do you expect? Have you ever played a sport at an opposing teams home field? It's much worse than this having some jack$%* father belittling you for a couple hours about your mother and other stuff.


Sounds like you agree with mistreating the minority. Interesting.............

[hurley9192]

I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's something I expect when I enter a hostile environment. I personally enjoy the challenge and it is far more sweeter victory.

[matrixfriendly]

This is true!