Mike Hamilton's preliminary sales goals

[surfer]

Although I haven't managed to find it in any of the
confence call notes or recordings, one member has
stated that Mike Hamilton's initial sales goals for
the SuccessThroughAdvertising site to be the
following.

192 ads @ $5k per ad per month which is close to
$1 million per month.

An aggressive initial goal for someone who is trying
to take what is already a failed business model(paid
to read) to a more corporate level.

I know Dreamer loves the advertising angle. lol

Of course, advertisers are going to need to see
continous results for their money.

Stats from the banner ads definitely don't give any
indications that this is going to be a successful venture.

For advertisers merely to recoup the cost of their ads,
the entire YMMSS affiliate base would need to spend
an average of $40 per month on advertisers products.
Depending on the type of product or service they offer,
each client will have varying expections of performance.

Much of what I market is residual based, so I can often
take an upfront "loss" when I know that I'll normally make
it up over time. My one time commissioned products and
services have a shorter perfomance leash when using pay
for performance marketing. ;)

Factor into this that most non-U.S. affiliates may not
even be able to buy from many of the initial advertisers
and that number goes even higher.

You certainly have your work cut out for you, Mr. Hamilton.

[Dreamer]

Thats a nice goal, considering ymmss has been accepting retail advertisers thru ymmss for $199.95. How many have jumped on at that rate. I'll give you a few minutes to count them all up!

2. I think, of course I might be wrong on this, but I'd imagine that most advertising dollars are from US corporations, bussiness, etc in the US. Why would I spend all this money to advertise in belize?

3. With any kind of advertising, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but there are usually 2 ways that people advertise. Previous experience with the advertiser so they know what to expect, and asking questions up front.

What I want to know is who has used the firm to advertise with and how successful are they.

So, whats the most expensive advertising out there? Superbowl. How much does it cost? Lets say $2.5million per spot. How many people watch it? Lets say 125million. So, for every dollar spent, there will be 50 people watching it, or $.02/viewship. Alot of people remember commercials. And, if the commercial is really funny or really sucks, they are bound to get more free advertising from the next days news circuits. But, the $.02 is a fair number.

So, $5,000 being spent to advertise to 25,000 members comes up to be $1 per 5 people, or $.20 each. I guess we have a new winner in expensiveness. Will anybody ever remember a ymmss ad? Nope. Will the news shows pull the ads off ymmss and include it in their news shows? Nope. Will any of them make banned commercials or anything? Nope.

So, what will advertisers gain by spending 10x more than a superbowl ad? Well, there is no guarantee that anybody will even see their ad.

Then, you'll get people like me that will write to any advertisers that waste their money on that site saying that I will boycott their product since they are aiding a criminal and throwing away money in a ponzi scheme.

[Gringo]

Mike is following in the footsteps of his leader in over promising and under delivering, and also feeding him and the group what they want to hear regardless of how realistic it is.

By the end of the year when the promises fall flat, expect the excuses to start. Of course it will have nothing to do with the fact that the ad service they are offering is worthless, it will be more like we need another 100,000 members to really get it off the ground, so get out there and do some recruiting. By then though the whole ad thing will be moved to the back burner like the "double your money every 90 days" deal is now. Kim will have a new scheme out there.

[Darius]

By the end of the year when the promises fall flat, expect the excuses to start.

A prophet of doom. What will you say if it is doing extremely well by the end of the year?

D

[Gringo]

A prophet of doom. What will you say if it is doing extremely well by the end of the year?
Not really prophesizing, since the whole paid to read thing has been around for years and has never attracted major advertisers. It's already been proven not to work. Want more proof? Your $10 EPC is worth 10 cents on the YMMSS auction. If YMMSS was truely in the ad business people would pay the same amount for an EPC at the auction as people pay when they become members, because it provides $10 worth of real ad value. Instead members pay 100 times what an EPC is really worth, so that they can participate in the "double your money in 60 - 90 days" scheme.

I have a better question for you, what will you say at the end of the year when the whole retail ad thing is not pulling in the bucks that Mike estimates? Will it be another case of "no business plan is perfect...the market has changed so they need to evolve and adapt..."?

The fact is the market hasn't changed for Kims original ponzi. It's doing exactly what every ponzi has ever done--gotten to the point where not enough new money comes in fast enough to pay the existing people. The reason it failed was not Murphy, downtime, servers, etc., it was the inescapable math of the design.

Likewise, Kim's exisiting and planned changes to the paid to read ad business have done and will continue to do just as it has done with all other similar companies in the past. He can hire an army of salesmen and spend thousands on a new website, but that won't change the market demand for the service he offers.

[Darius]

Not really prophesizing, since the whole paid to read thing has been around for years and has never attracted major advertisers. It's already been proven not to work. Want more proof? Your $10 EPC is worth 10 cents on the YMMSS auction.

Im tired of this point being made.

You do NOT know how the retail site is going to be marketed so therefore you are NOT qualified to criticise it.

It amazes me that people like you seem to have no other agenda other than to try and wreck YM. It's a bit sad really considering the business grows stronger while you sit here banging on about things that you know not.

D

[swishnev]

something we do know darius is the original design of ymmss went bad, based on historical evidence, this design of ymmss will do the same and excuses will be made.

[Arzel]

Im tired of this point being made.

You do NOT know how the retail site is going to be marketed so therefore you are NOT qualified to criticise it.

It amazes me that people like you seem to have no other agenda other than to try and wreck YM. It's a bit sad really considering the business grows stronger while you sit here banging on about things that you know not.

D

YM is already wrecked, it would be difficult to run it further into the ground.

Anyone is qualified to criticise YMMSS, just as anyone is qualified to criticise the president, this being a public forum and all. You are just upset because people are listening and realize that we are probably right.

[concerned]

Im tired of this point being made.


If you are tired of the point being made, then why can't you come up with evidence that supports your argument. Usually when a point is made, one of 2 things happen. Either someone comes up with a valid counterargument that makes people think differently, or someone crys that they original valid point is being made because it makes them look bad. If you cannot come up with a good counterargument, then I guess that point must just keep making you look bad.

[Darius]

And what good points do you guy's come up with? You regularly quote second hand and out of date news, always tainted by your point of view and yet as I said earlier, you demand accuracy from anyone who insists that the company is good.

How can Arzel say it is wrecked? I have just read in the ymforum that people have been paid today. The Titanic still sails! It's not wrecked. This proves my point exactly.

You guy's are running scared. Your terrified that the new system might just work. You've spent months and months speculating and calculating the YM model and now things are about to change and you cant handle it.

What are you afraid of? You have tried to imply that there are tons of unhappy YM affiliates. That is simply not so. There are just a few and most of them prefer to come here and talk negatively. Actually, those YM'rs who post in here often are well known amongst some of the YM members so nobody listens to them anymore.

You are no longer valid!

D

[swishnev]

hey darius, what are cycle times up to at this point? are they still hanging around the 60-90 day area? last i heard they were near 240 days? that means really four times as many people should be getting paid based on ymmss initial estimates. the ship is sailing all right, but there is certainly water getting into the boat. we are not scared of anything, what is there to be scared of? we have little, or nothing at stake in ymmss? alan, its like putting up windows, if you don't do it correctly, bad things happen

[Trinket]

Swishnev,
Were you one who was "kicked" out of YMMSS???

Maybe it's time to just move on and find something to focus POSITIVE energy on. Focusing negative energy on something that's now in your past will only make you sick and not fun to be around.

[Darius]

You start by addressing me then you end by addressing Alan. Language skills! Awesome.

D

[ComplexKid]

Darius, you do sound like Alan. What I don't understand is that the company is obviously buckled like a wreck in the cold green sea, nobody's taking any enjoyment out of it, and we stand nothing to gain by YM's demise. People here played no part in its fall. It's a ponzi. It's ending the way all ponzis end, no intervention required from us. Why do you think we can, or would, try to ruin a perfectly successful, ethical business?

If it's as rock-solid as you claim, there is nothing we could possibly say or do to make the slightest difference. Only it's not.

Since people are still being recruited into the scheme, we will continue to point out it's a scam. Maybe it will save some more folks from putting their nest egg into Kim's retirement fund. That's what this place is about - education. Not gloating because people have lost so much money.

That and the ruined, sometimes ended lives, are the worst part of any scam. Is trying to prevent that a bad thing? Because if YM is legit, it will be wildly successful no matter what anyone here says. I expect we'll all be cheering if it is.

[Gringo]

You do NOT know how the retail site is going to be marketed so therefore you are NOT qualified to criticise it.

My point is that it doesn't matter how it's going to be marketed, the demand has been already proven not to exist for the product. Like I said it can be marketed with an army of salesmen and a flashy new website, and that won't make a single bit of difference. Sophisticated corporate ad buyers aren't quite as nieve as the members of YMMSS. They know what mediums are effective and which are not, without listening to a pitch from and EPC salesman or looking at a fancy website.

As a matter of fact, I am qualified to critique the plan. Anyone that wants to do an hours worth of objective research on paid to read sites will come to the same conclusion.

[Otherguy]

And what good points do you guy's come up with? You regularly quote second hand and out of date news, always tainted by your point of view and yet as I said earlier, you demand accuracy from anyone who insists that the company is good.

How can Arzel say it is wrecked? I have just read in the ymforum that people have been paid today. The Titanic still sails! It's not wrecked. This proves my point exactly.

You guy's are running scared. Your terrified that the new system might just work. You've spent months and months speculating and calculating the YM model and now things are about to change and you cant handle it.

What are you afraid of? You have tried to imply that there are tons of unhappy YM affiliates. That is simply not so. There are just a few and most of them prefer to come here and talk negatively. Actually, those YM'rs who post in here often are well known amongst some of the YM members so nobody listens to them anymore.

You are no longer valid!

D


Darius thankyou for your contributions. I cannot speak for the others but the way I see it is this : For YMMSS to achieve its stated goals, many millions in outside revenue needs to be generated. I would love to see some evidence that Kim has the ability to produce these millions.

If it is a case of you simply having faith in Kim than thats your personal choice and I respect that. But I'd really love to see something concrete. To be honest, YMGOLF, YMAUCTIONS etc are not good advertisements for Kim's business acumen.

At the end of the day, the proof will be (or not) in the CPA. The $300k dropped in so far was nothing like enough. Where will the money come from?

[Darius]

Since people are still being recruited into the scheme, we will continue to point out it's a scam.

Scam inWebsters Dictionary say's a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

This is not the case with YMMSS, so the people who say such things are committing a civil crime of libel.

Libel. a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means

I would begin to choose my words carefully. What if I started saying things about your mother, would you appreciate that? I consider Kim to be a friend and I consider YMMSS to be a very worthy business, even though things did not work perfectly.

To simply shout scam is incredibly weak. Where is the justice in that? Let me tell you this, before I joined YMMSS I searched the internet for anything negative about YM. All I found was this site and one other.

Did it change my mind? Nope. Why not? Because of the lack of depth in content and the fact that most of you have an agenda.

Do you know how to be perceived as honest and informative, have no personal agenda. Have no axe to grind.

And by ignoring sites like this, I made 14 k within the last year.

D

[surfer]

It is your opinion that YMMSS is not a scam.

Some here believe that Kim Inman deliberately
started a ponzi with a pay structure that he
was fully aware could not work out long term.

That is a scam.

In most ponzi's, there are some winners who
make profit. Most lose when it fails.

We don't "simply shout scam". Countless times
we give people like yourself the opportunity to
present numbers to counter our own and show
us just how YMMSS could sustain itself long
term. Not once have any of you done so. It's
understandable since nobody but Kim knows
where all these billions in investment revenue
are going to come from.

If such investments were so easy to find, don't
you think there would be quite a few trillionaires
in the world? Pop a few million in and less than
two years later get a billion back. Right. :rolleyes:

Even with the new system, there will be the
need for exponential growth in the commission
account since each week more and more EPCs
will reach maturity.

Many of your own members are finally realizing
this.

Companies don't issue unlimited shares of stock,
nor do employers hire unimited amounts of people
and put them all in a profit sharing plan. Why?
Because it dilutes the shares down to the point
of being worthless.

Kim Inman knows this, yet he'll continue to sell
people on the dream of getting rich with no effort.

That is a scam.

As for the money you made. Who cares?

Congrats on making $14K off the backs of people
that lost their savings and their dreams to Kim
Inman's deceptive practices.

[Darius]

Some here believe that Kim Inman deliberately
started a ponzi with a pay structure that he
was fully aware could not work out long term.

That is a scam.

As usual, all in your head.

I KNOW it is not a scam.

How could it be scam and what is the end game? Do you reallythink Kim is going to run with the money? You cant spit on a sidewalk these days without someone grabbing your DNA and tracking you down.

Don't you realise how terribly weak and worn out those statements are?

Let's debate one issue - I say YMMSS is NOT a scam.

You said it was first, so you need to attempt to prove that to me by presenting evidence.

I'll accept a confession from Kim, or some concrete proof that he has committed a crime?

D

[surfer]

As usual, all in your head.
Your opinion.

I KNOW it is not a scam.
Again, your opinion.

How could it be scam and what is the end game? Do you reallythink Kim is going to run with the money? You cant spit on a sidewalk these days without someone grabbing your DNA and tracking you down.
Kim is set up pretty well to go wherever he wants
if that's his plan. Governments are so far behind
in nailing internet scammers, Kim is still pretty
safe.

Don't you realise how terribly weak and worn out those statements are?
And yet, the things we've said and the projections
we've made have repeatedly been far more accurate
than Kim Inman's slew of broken promises and missed
deadlines.

Let's debate one issue - I say YMMSS is NOT a scam.

You said it was first, so you need to attempt to prove that to me by presenting evidence.

I'll accept a confession from Kim, or some concrete proof that he has committed a crime?

D
Well "Darius" ;) , we've already been proven right in
stating that the old system could not be maintained.

The new system has the same flaws.

Kim still claims that he wants every "share" to be worth
at least $320 over a 90 day period.

Just like the old promises and lies about YMMSS being
"designed" to work in a 60-90 day cycle time, it is a
completely unrealistic "goal".

One of the few things that you and I are going to
agree on is that Kim Inman is not a moron.

He knows the numbers and he knows that you can
not bring in enough revenue to maintain the business
model long term.

Most of the previous graphs, charts, etc. still hold
true.

I know the math doesn't work long term and I
know that Kim is intelligent enough to know it too.

There's "proof" all around these forums of Kim's promises,
projections, lies, etc.

You're not really interested in any proof, so why pretend
that you are.

A ponzi is a scam. Kim runs a ponzi.

When non-member money is substantially more than
new member money just exchanging hands, then it's
no longer a ponzi.

So far, there is zero proof of any substantial outside
revenue.

[Dreamer]

A couple points:


Your $10 EPC is worth 10 cents on the YMMSS auction. If YMMSS was truely in the ad business people would pay the same amount for an EPC at the auction as people pay when they become members, because it provides $10 worth of real ad value.

Not entirely true. They are worth that amount to true supporters of ymmss. The true value would be how much they are being sold to the global community, like eBay. Its probably safe to assume that if they are not being sold on eBay, it probably has no value.


You do NOT know how the retail site is going to be marketed so therefore you are NOT qualified to criticise it.

You should stop hanging around viper with such silly arguments. I"ve never taken a day of acting, so am I not qualified to criticise bad actors? I dont understand what exactly happens in congress, so can I not criticise it? Heck, I dont know anything about ymmss beause kimmy doesnt reveal anything about it.

I have a good idea how it will be marketed, based on their track record. There will be some lies. Numbers will be stretched so far fom the truth. Promises will be made. Anything will be done to con businesses out of their money. But, I doubt one business will be foolish.

Why would ANY business spend $5,000 on a website forum thingy with no track record?

The truth of the matter is any new business usually offers the original customers a great discount to build a custoer base. If kimmy had any faith in his company, they would be pushing for the $200 ads to show the businessws what kind of success they will have.

But, i'm sorry...i'm using logic and common sence...i know most ymmss suporters dont believe in that because they spend too much time believing that the tooth fairy will put EPCs under their pillows at night time.

[concerned]

Scam inWebsters Dictionary say's a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

This is not the case with YMMSS, so the people who say such things are committing a civil crime of libel.


That definition sounds right. Thanks for that definition.

Now, I want to ask you to prove that this statement is NOT deceptive.

"100,000 affiliates earning $100,000 or more per year"

If you can prove that the statement is NOT deceptive, then maybe we will stop talking about the site. But in all reality, how many employees does YMMSS have? Maybe 10, 20 , 30? I don't know, but I am making a guess. If you know, please post. My point is, how are you going to have 100,000 affiliates making $100,000 per year with very little staff? Do you know any companies that make profits of $10 billion + per year with that small of a staff? The only companies I know that can make that much profit have about 50,000 full time employees, to generate that kind of income. Please let me know how YMMSS will generate that kind of income? If you can't show us, you cannot disprove our statements about YMMSS being a scam, since you gave us the definition, and I showed you just one of many deceptive comments.

Thanks for helping us prove our case.

[Salsa]

Libel. a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means "unjustly unfavorable impression"
"without just cause"

What these parts mean, Darius, is that it isn't libel if it's true. The legal requirements for proving libel go far beyond that, however, and the image of Kim in court, trying to prosecute a libel case for what has been said here--with all of his books open--is extremely amusing to me!

It's far more likely that Kim will find himself in a defense chair. The future for even that, however, is not looking too bright. It's beginning to appear that the sorts of people who were taken in by YMMSS are, for the most part, not people of action. They want everything done for them. Of those who've recognized that they were scammed, I know of only one, for sure, who has even filed complaints so that legal investigations into YMMSS might be pursued.

Salsa
____________

[Darius]

"100,000 affiliates earning $100,000 or more per year"

Its called a 'goal', not a set of rules so stop being so juvenile.


Wow, lot's of angry, bitter and easily baited little devils today aren't you?

Go and get a life.

D

[surfer]

Go and get a life.

D

That coming from someone who needs to
create a bunch of usernames on these
forums just to antagonize. lol

Of course, you wouldn't have the need to
"bait" us if you actually had anything
substantial to say.

Typical.

Why don't you stop wasting your time here
and go explain to CoffeeKing that the banner
ads on the forums aren't retailers? Apparently,
he has no clue about how to identify simple
affiliate network banners.

Now he can go out and sell ads to Woodwind
Brasswind.

[swishnev]

darius, please continue to posts your words of wisdom

[concerned]

Its called a 'goal', not a set of rules so stop being so juvenile.


WAS...IT...A...DECEPTIVE...GOAL? [HINT:answer is yes]

OBVIOUSLY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, SO THAT MAKES IT DECEPTIVE!!!

Go and get a life.

Funny how you say this right after telling us to quit being juvenile. Talk about a hipocritical statement.

Oh, and by the way, ALAN, isn't it juvenile to to break the rules, get banned, sneak back in, get banned again, and continue to do it over and over again? If you would have learned to follow the rules in the first place, you wouldn't have to worry. Congratulations on getting banned once again. You are not welcome here anymore, because you break our rules. Don't you get it?

[concerned]

darius, please continue to posts your words of wisdom

Sorry swishnev, but darius AKA 200_k_already AKA shoes AKA Alan, AKA a bunch of other user names won't be able to post his wisdom, because he has been banned again.

[swishnev]

thanks concerned, i was being a bit sarcastic

[Arzel]

I thought he was going to be a little more mature this time around, but that only lasted a few posts.

[swishnev]

seriously though, it would be nice to have someone from ymmss come in here with some statistics, math, and facts. heck, i don't even care if they are facts! i wish they would just come in here and give us some numbers that add up correctly that show that ymmss will actually work.

[Dreamer]

Well, why should they come in with facts? We present our opinions, and they usually turn out right, dont they? So, I would like some supporters to come in here with their opinions, so long as it can be supported by fact, common sence, logic, history, something.

Thats what I appreciated about this version...at first he actually provided somethings, but than, he resorted to childish behaviors, since I guess he ran out of anything productive to say.

[drzod]

Does anyone else out there find it puzzling why Alan keeps coming here? If he is so convinced that it is not a ponzi, why should he care what people here think? He already knows most people here have little or nothing invested in YMMSS. It is almost like he is trying to convince himself that it is not a ponzi. If he honestly feels the way he does, he should agree to disagree and move on since neither side is budging.

The only logical explanation I can come up with as to why he keeps coming here is that it must be affecting his bottom line. When you Google YMMSS, Matrix Watch now shows up. If potential new members read the information here they will not join YMMSS. This hurt him under the old commission structure, but might actually benefit him under the new structure.

Any thoughts?

[concerned]

Drzod, you make sense. I personally don't find it puzzling because this is classic brainwashed activity that these supporters always do. He isn't the first person to get banned multiple times, and he won't be the last.

By Alan constantly showing up here, he ishelping us prove that it is a ponzi. He is truely worried about not cycling his spots, and he knows the only way to cycle is to get new members, prving that it is a ponzi. His only defense of his pocketbook is to try to say that YMMSS is not what we say it is. I wish he could just give facts as to why it isn't what we say it is, so that he could move on, but the lack of facts is another part that strengthens our case. Finally, his constant re entry as a new member helps our case, because potential customers might see the cultish behavior and not want to get involved.

[Kolotwicz]

I just cycled, thought you might like to know. You might want to comfort yourself by making up theories about me, the way you do about YMMSS, but thats all it is, theories.

And some bitter and angry people who had 'zero' patience and screamed and stamped their little feet until YM gave them their money back. Now they will be as sick as parrots that they missed the big picture.

Funny, I have my routines when I get online. I read some ad's. I attend to my other biz's. I check the YM Forum. I have about 6 chess games going, I check them. Then, when all the housework is done, so to speak, I come here to play.

It's a bit of recreation. MY mother always told me to stay away from the bad boys, but like a moth to flame - I just gotta!

You guy's lay down before you hurt yourselves.

[bowmaker]

I just cycled, thought you might like to know. You might want to comfort yourself by making up theories about me, the way you do about YMMSS, but thats all it is, theories.

.

you mean theories like ,,
ymmss cant sustain itself with promises of cycling your money over and over for ever . that theory turned out to be fact.
most of what ive seen on this site is fact , not theory.
examples , kim lied about 90 day cycle times , kim lied about putting in reserve money to keep 90 day cycles. i could keep going on and on but you wouldnt get the picture . the only theories ive seen come from you .

[ycchen]

I just cycled, thought you might like to know. You might want to comfort yourself by making up theories about me, the way you do about YMMSS, but thats all it is, theories. If you have taken out your profit, it simply means the majority of the "affiliates" will not be paid no matter how long they wait. Time is not an issue for a dead ponzi (and YMMSS is a dead ponzi) because as long as there are no EPCs purchase, the bottom 80% will never get pay.

We have seen these happen again and again. Many victims keep their mouth shut because they are afraid that they will be kicked up if they ask too many questions; or they are told that negativity will hurt the sales of EPCs and slow down the program even more.

However, when a debt-driven program (or ponzi) collapse, these "victims" will start talking, but then, it will be too late.

For me, YMMSS has already collapsed, just like IT4US.net or PIPS. New rules or new system simply means the money game ends, and they have to find a way to divert the anger, and drag until everyone gives up eventually.

In the diverting attention process, the army of loyalists will continue to recruit and donate to the program. This is a typical way how ponzi/pyramid works.

[Deso]

Hence, Alan and aliases are here trying to discredit the ymmss knockers.
Never thought of that before.
Thanks for that Ycchen

[surfer]

All people like Alan care about are themselves
and every dollar they can milk out of any scam
they get in early enough to profit from.

Alan's first post on these boards in the IT4US
forum (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=21895#post21895) pretty much said it all:
Originally Posted by 200_K_already
I've already been paid.

Im using mostly their money, how can I lose?

El Escocés
His initial post was at the end of April, but he
went in and edited it in June. I replied two
posts after his, quoting his original post.

Just like Arzel's friend who thinks stupid/naive/
ignorant people should be taken advantage of (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=24916#post24916),
people like Alan don't care how many others
get hurt when companies like IT4US, PIPS,
YMMSS etc. collapse. Their only concern is
that they get into profit.

Their only way of defending these scams is to
come in hurling insults, name calling, "baiting",
and everything else except addressing the issues.

He states that our info is outdated or inaccurate,
yet he provides nothing to contradict it.

He's also the quickest mod to delete posts and
lock threads in the YMForums. Alan's version of
"helping" others is by controlling the info they get
so he can make more profit from the ponzis.

[ycchen]

We have seem this type of super-promoter regularly in our matrix world, and of course, ponzi/pyramid world. As I have said many times, they are crucial part of the "scam infrastructure". Kim needs them.

Any successful con artist needs a few spoke persons to do the dirty work, so he can look good and impartial. Most spokepersons (or super moderators) benefit directly from the scam, but a few of them simply TRUST their savior. And Alan is in the first category for sure ..:)

And believe me, Alan will come back to delete or revise all his current posts when YMMSS is finally gone for sure. We have seen this happen before and we expect it to happen again. These people are so perdictable. ;)

Thus, it would be nice to quote their whole post if we want to keep a record of what they said.

MatrixWatch is not just a consumer advocacy website. It is also a website that we document valuable documents and dialogues. However, many of these super-moderators do not like to be archieved (or remembered) as liar, they will come back and re-edit their posts when things turn really bad.

For me, YMMSS is a dead ponzi and I am surprised that Alan still come here to defend it. Most promoters will abandon the sinking ship and go for the next one.

Sorry to divert the thread, let's get back to the topic about our real spokeperson -- Mike Hamilton.

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And believe me, Alan will come back to delete or revise all his current posts when YMMSS is finally gone for sure. We have seen this happen before and we expect it to happen again. These people are so predictable. ;)

Isn't one of our benefits of banning an occasional username of Alan's that he can't then come back to edit or delete his posts under that username?

I mean, I rather like having Alan come back again and again, as all he does is to make YMMSS look bad, but a banned username can't edit or delete his posts, can he? One of my biggest worries about Alan is that he will wake up one morning, realize how stupid he is, and delete his posts.

If I'm right, it seems about time to ban Alan's current username again. He technically shouldn't have been allowed back at all. After all, the one and only Alan has been banned (for good reason) many times. Why is it necessary to ban him more than once? Sure, I know he will come back, but each time he does he will become even more powerless.

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Isn't one of our benefits of banning an occasional username of Alan's that he can't then come back to edit or delete his posts under that username?

I mean, I rather like having Alan come back again and again, as all he does is to make YMMSS look bad, but a banned username can't edit or delete his posts, can he? One of my biggest worries about Alan is that he will wake up one morning, realize how stupid he is, and delete his posts.

If I'm right, it seems about time to ban Alan's current username again. He technically shouldn't have been allowed back at all. After all, the one and only Alan has been banned (for good reason) many times. Why is it necessary to ban him more than once? Sure, I know he will come back, but each time he does he will become even more powerless.

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No, he cannot edit posts under the previous alias that have been banned, so all of those posts are locked.

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I personally think its great to have a ymmss mod here posting...i just wish they chose somebody with a little more insight and information and alot more maturity. I can no longer ask questions there because they are so quick to delete my posts. My last question was simply what if people dont want to participate in the new payment system, can they opt-out? I think thats a valid question since the rules have changed drastically.

So, back to the subject...any updates on what mikey is doing? Has he been able to get a retailer yet? Somebody with his credentials should be able to do it within a couple days, no?