From Alan's Heart to yours

[swishnev]

Straight from a YMMSS Moderator:


Ever wondered why negative attitudes and disrespectful words are deleted in this YMForum? Is it just because we do not let people to say bad things about YMMSS or other affiliates? Well it is partly that.

The real reason is -

Negativity is a destroyer. Negativity is a vision stealer.

People who are being negative have lost their way and their joy. Without joy people lose the ability to be anything but negative, unless they are acting. Their negativity is real and their point of view is sincere. We may question their loyalty when they are negative about something we like or love but being disloyal is usually the furthest thing from their minds. Negativity has entered their hearts and will not release them from that type of thinking. They cannot look and see anything positive. It’s like everything is viewed through grey sunglasses and the world is a very dull and dead-end place to be.

Most importantly, negativity is contagious. A very dangerous disease.



Then the other side of the coin is the behaviour.

A Proverb says

Where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained,
But happy is he who keeps the law.


At times we have witnessed users in this forum, not only being negative, but waging an all out attack on YMMSS and on individuals. Then they cry "foul" when they get suspended. There are other websites that have gone completely anti-YMMSS crazy. Usually because they don’t get away with it in here.

This type of unrestrained behaviour is typical of the ‘lost vision’ people.

There are individuals who have one calling in this life, and that is to destroy. Some people are visionaries and builders but others can only tear down and criticise.

Look in the town and city centres where you live. Watch a big building going up and in the mid process of construction. If you pass it on the bus or the train you will hear people say, “it’s ugly”, “It’s not very practical” etc etc.

Little do they know about the visionary that first saw the building in his head, the architect who turned a notion into a series of drawings, taking into account the ground where it is to be built, the surroundings, the weather, materials, the practicalities of usage. Then there is the budget and the finances to arrange. Then there is planning applications and amendments to be made. Then there is a main contractor to employ. Then there are the sub-contractors to employ. Then there is the site management. You have every trade under the sun, crane drivers and toilet cleaners. Catering, joiners, bricklayers, plumbers, electricians, glaziers, roofers, ground workers, steel erectors, scaffolder’s … the list goes on.

And yet, people have the nerve to walk past and say, “It’s ugly” just because they cannot see where the project is going.

All those people making a living and making a dream come true and the arrogance of those who are negative standing back making rotten comments.



How do we regain our vision?


There is another old Proverb that goes

Men prepare a meal for enjoyment, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything


Would you be less negative about YMMSS if you received a payout? Maybe?

There is only really one sure way to reverse the negative thoughts in your mind and replace them with positive ones and that is to regain your vision.

What was it that attracted you to YMMSS at first? Be honest. Money is the answer. Lots and lots of money. You may have imagined getting out of debt. Getting your family out of debt. Showing your old school buddies that you’ve arrived as you drive by the bus stop in your new Mercedes. Maybe you want to help the poor.

Whatever the reason, those enticing thoughts were YOUR VISION.

Now, it will undoubtedly be a factor that rising cycle times has contributed to your negative feelings. Yep, mine too.

But let’s not forget, circumstances should never rob us of our vision. What is it that kept people alive in the deserts or frozen wastes of this world as they struggled to stay alive against the odds? Maybe the victims of a plane crash or explorers who lost their way. What is it that kept them going until they reached safety? Vision. The vision of their family, there homes, their friends.

Let us recapture our vision.

This incredible business is going to work. Maybe not the way we anticipated or the way even Kim anticipated, but it will work. If we remain focused and remember why we came here to begin with. To change our lives for the better and to impact the lives of those around us.

Guy’s like Kim, Mike, Esto, Mark, Jim and lots of others need our support. They need to know that we are behind them and not standing back spouting negativity like those who criticise the new buildings in town.

The buzzword of today is - Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Am I saying that negativity has contributed to Cycle times? Yes I am.

Why?

We have an army of people in internet land who are completely over the moon when internet business’s fail because that is their fetish and the death of YMMSS would see them split their sides with glee. They pride themselves in tearing down but have built nothing themselves ever. Except a bad reputation.

However the vision thieves will be disappointed.

YMMSS / STA is going to become so massive that negativity will be marginalized completely.

Are you buzzing about this biz? Let’s get back to the excitement we had before and brush off any thoughts that seek to take us down rather than up.

We are on the way up.

Believe it.

Alan

[swishnev]

I'm going vote for not believing it, sorry Alan

[MatrixWatch]

So, anyone with honest and straightforward questions or comments about YMMSS are now "vision stealers"? This whole thing is beginning to sound a lot like Kim Jung Il's rhetoric in North Korea (He he.. Isn't it funny that they share the name "Kim") lol

What about confronting the brutal facts? Isn't that part of vision building too? :confused:

And how does "Alan" respond to the fact that all of the ponzi/pyramid scams out there build a "US" vs. "THEM" cult within their ranks when things begin to go sour? How is this much different from that phenomenon? I'd venture to say that Alan's most recent statements are simply a way to shame people into not asking certain questions that YMMSS doesn't want to deal with. At least, it is obvious to me that this is what he is trying to do.

After all, what proof does he have that negative comments and questions "steal" the vision of an organization? If anything, these comments should contribute to that vision, since it presents a challenge whereby the organization can organize itself in response to. You see, what Alan really means by "vision" is "enthusiasm". I'd agree that negative comments can halt the enthusiasm of the members at YMMSS, but it is important to note that this enthusiasm was once shared by many of those who are now "being negative". These members are now being negative because they have realized that YMMSS cultivates an environment of blind-faith excitement, yet it can't deliver on it's promises.

And what happens when these members realize that they've been duped? Are they invited to ask their questions and dialogue openly about their concerns? No. They are instead made to feel guilty and shameful on account of their "stealing from YMMSS' vision". Oh brother.... :shake:

[Leonidas]

I find it very amusing that Alan is quoting the bible in YM Forum and is very rude when he speaks here. :nono:

Here are two questions for Alan's vision.

1. If the 90 million that is claimed to have cycled is actually the same as being paid out since it is claimed that real money was used, then how can taxes not be paid on this "real" money?

2. If an EPC is an actual product with a real value of $10 then why are there no refunds? Seems to me that if you have never cycled and never used your EPC's for advertising you have gained no service from YMMSS and therefore should be able to return your EPC. If they are actually worth something, then why wouldn't Kim be happy to take them back and refund members money??

L

[swishnev]

Just wanted to mention so my friends still in YMMSS don't catch backlash from this, that this post did not come from them. It actually came from a YMMSS Member who was checking out this site and passed it along to me. I know that YMMSS Mods will read this thread and I just wanted to make sure that they knew it wasn't from anyone I personally know in YMMSS.

[lionking]

I really like the way Alan used poverbs...

lol lol lol

I reply to his post adding some more proverbs, but my post was
deleted...probably not all proverbs are created equal...

Here is MY proverb list:

1. SEEING IS BELIEVING!

2. IT'S BETTER 1 TIME TO SEE THEN 7 TIMES TO HEAR!

3. TALK IS CHEEP!

4. SHOW ME THE MONEY!

:D :D :D

Alan wrote:

We are on the way up.

Believe it.

Alan

lol lol lol

SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!

[brenda]

Lion King, be careful. I don't want to see you kicked out of YM for coming over and saying "bad" things. :nono: We would really miss you, even though you don't get to crack jokes over there any more, at least we know you are there. :)

[lionking]

Dear Brenda,

to use proverbs is NOT AGAINT TOU!

lol lol lol

[brenda]

I like your proverb # 4 above. :rolleyes: Money would be good.

[lionking]

That is why we joined YMMSS for...don't we?

:D :D :D

[brenda]

that's what I joined for. I certainly didn't join to advertise. they told me to join and double my money every 60-90 days.

[Leonidas]

Dear Brenda,

to use proverbs is NOT AGAINT TOU!

lol lol

[brenda]

I guess you find that "amusing" :crazy:

[brenda]

well, we do have "freedom of speech" here. (I guess) I haven't been deleted "yet". :)

[Dreamer]

sv and anybody else for that matter,

If your concerned about a post being under your name, that it might affect your participation in ymmss, or might bring friends down, I'll be glad to post it for you. I want everybody to be able to express their opinions about anything without fear of retribution.

But, thats not my point.

Alan,

Put differences aside, and all that fun stuff. Truth of the matter is this. We both have visions for ymmss, both at the extreme. I think alot of people here at MW probably see that it will fail soon, and frankly, some of us has seen that it has already failed. You see it as being the best thing in the whole wide world.

I suppose the difference is, we have facts to back up our opinions. We have watched the lies and the failures of ymmss, so we are just drawing it to its logical conclusion. The fact is, advertisers are not in the business to give people money to read ads. Even if they are conned to try for a few week, it will crash big time because, frankly, most people of ymmss are now broke believing in the lies, and when they are getting $1 or less per position after the new system kicks in, their attitude will be to try to recoperate their losses, rather than buying a car, like you think they will want to.

While we have solid ground to stand on basing our opinions on, you are simply using blind faith as your proof, but where has this blind faith taken you so far? Lies and broken promises.

I personally dont want to destroy ymmss. I hope it makes everybody very very rich and solves world hunger and end wars. But, the problem is, advertising budgets are designed to increase sales, not to end world hunger. I stopped believing in the easter bunny many years ago. Hopefully one day you will stop believing also.

[concerned]

Since when did YMMSS become a church that preaches in proverbs? Oh, maybe it became a church when they began to ac like a cult.

[Leonidas]

Since when did YMMSS become a church that preaches in proverbs? Oh, maybe it became a church when they began to ac like a cult.

It must have been when Kim stated the matrix was a vision from God. That alone made many people buy epc's the first 2 years :shake: Last time I looked, God wasn't in the Scam business. :nono:

[AvidA]

Alan,

What are you talking about "lost visions" for? I have an old song for you called "amazing grace". Since we're in "church" here I think I will sing a few bars for you....."I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I see."

I don't need that kind of vision back. Allelujah, I can see, brother! YM robbed people, robbed me and God had nothing to do with it.

Stay away from the purple kool-aid at Kim's outings....*snicker*

[Dreamer]

What made Charles Ponzi such a likable and trustworthy guy...he handled criticism wonderfully. Not only did he answer fully any questions about his business that ANYBODY had, but he did it in such a grandeur way to make sure everybody around heard his answer.

When 12 year old kids asked to invest with him, he proclaimed loudly that ANYBDOY can invest with him, not just the rich.

When a lady went to the police and said she felt scammed by ponzi, and the police went with her there, he offered a refund. When she saw how easy the refund was she no longer wanted the refund, but he refused and refunded the money right than and there.

What is my boring point? Negativity actually promotes positivity in this regards.

Looking at YMMSS, it looks like a ponzi to me. It just doesnt add up. But, I do my own research. I'll listen to the folks at MW because they seem to know what they are talking about. I'll also listen to folks at YMMSS since they are part of it. But, in regards to this one question of a ponzi, which is important to me, the folks at MW have actually answered it alot better than the folks at YMMSS, because I can read all the arguments here and make up my own conclusion, whereas when I go there, i doubt that I can find any arguments suggesting its not a ponzi, except, perhaps, one flawed on by Esto.

Now, if this is such a concern with people that it is argued, debated, or even discussed with people discussing ymmss. Now, why doesn't ymmss address this in their forums? If its a concern of potential members, it would be good publicity to tackle it head on. To answer fully any questions regarding this matter, it would become a non-issue. And, if its a concern of mine, as a potential member, and any question that I have has already been answered to my liking, well...it would sell me.

Same thing about cycle times. Ok, its not 90 days anymore, but the focus of the business is to get retailers not cycle times. Again, let the negative posts stay and address all concerns with well thought out logic so if its a concern of mine, and I find the answers satisfactory, i might be convinced to join.

So, negative comments can actually lead to more and more sales and confidence so long as they can be argued successfully and shown where the flaws are. So, I can only assume that negative posts are deleted because there arent any good arguments to counter them.

[Deso]

:crazy: But if they left all the negative comments in from their own members, then that would damage the number of potential new members and thus, no more fresh meat for the vultures. lol

[concerned]

:crazy: But if they left all the negative comments in from their own members, then that would damage the number of potential new members and thus, no more fresh meat for the vultures. lol

Actually, if they could answer the negative questions, and keep them up there, they would get MORE customers because customers would trust them more for leaving negative comments and responding to them. For example, when I shop on ebay, I look at the negative comments more than the positive ones. If they are dumb negative comments and the person responded well, that is better than a bunch of "great job" comments. Trust me, in business, negative comments that can be addressed properly are better than positive ones.

[esto]

One gets a little tired of saying this. Negativity is not the problem. Violation of our TOU is. Our TOU is modeled on the Webmaster World TOU btw. That is one difference between our forums.We have clear limits and mods are charged with observing them.

This forum allows highly damaging and unsubstantiated statements by its members to hang out twisting in the wind for all to read. Despite good faith efforts to try to get a reasonable response.

On another matter:

It is against our terms of use for a YMMSS member to copy and post a note by another member without that member's permission. But I suppose what is a reasonable rule in our forums can be ignored with impunity. I am used to impunity -- in Sudan.

How bout this? We'll watch our own house if you'll watch yours. Nah. We do watch ours. How about you do the same?

Best, S

[Candyman]

Esto, if you and Kim and the rest of the YMMSS leadership are convinced that your business model is sound and that retailers will pour millions into STA, why all the concern about this site? I'm sure eBay, Yahoo and Google had their detractors but they did not whine about negative comments on Internet bulletin boards.

If YMMSS is all that you say it is (legal, innovative, etc.) then the Truth will Set You Free. The fact that you keep showing up on Matrix Watch to defend YMMSS demonstrates that you are concerned that YMMSS affiliates are coming to the same conclusions as the members here have realized months ago. Otherwise you and Alan would be ignoring this site altogether.

In my opinion, the more you post here the closer YMMSS is to going out of business completely.

[concerned]

One gets a little tired of saying this. Negativity is not the problem. Violation of our TOU is. Our TOU is modeled on the Webmaster World TOU btw. That is one difference between our forums.We have clear limits and mods are charged with observing them.


So when someone voices a concern that they don't think they will ever get paid, what rule did they break? It must be the "please don't effect our profits rule." Of course you have clear limits. The limits are to delete any post that effects profits.

This forum allows highly damaging and unsubstantiated statements by its members to hang out twisting in the wind for all to read.

Please explain what statements are highly damaging? I didn't know any statements could damage Matrix Watch. And by the way, we have decided to model our forums after the First Ammendment of the United States. It allows for freedom of speach.

Despite good faith efforts to try to get a reasonable response.

All commenst have had reasonable responses, the problem is you don't accept the responses.

On another matter:

It is against our terms of use for a YMMSS member to copy and post a note by another member without that member's permission. But I suppose what is a reasonable rule in our forums can be ignored with impunity. I am used to impunity -- in Sudan.

What a silly rule. Once the comment is made in a publically viewable website, it is public information. If you want to enforce that silly rule, then do so. Why are you telling us about this rule?

How bout this? We'll watch our own house if you'll watch yours. Nah. We do watch ours. How about you do the same?

What or who is the comment directed at? What is the meaning of this comment?

[Dreamer]

There is clear logic why we pull off posts there and bring it here...for longetivity. Almost 100% of the time the person who pulls the quote also links to the original page so they can see how it is written.

The truth of the matter is most members here are following the guidelines that are needed to pull quotes from copyrighted information, books, papers, etc.

The only point that can be made is personal communications from ymmss. That is usually a no-no to post without the permission of the author. If I send a private email to concerned and he goes ahead and posts it without my prior permission, than that is a problem, because the original was meant for private consumption, not for public disclosure.

[websurfer03101]

One gets a little tired of saying this. Negativity is not the problem. Violation of our TOU is. Our TOU is modeled on the Webmaster World TOU btw. That is one difference between our forums.We have clear limits and mods are charged with observing them.

This forum allows highly damaging and unsubstantiated statements by its members to hang out twisting in the wind for all to read. Despite good faith efforts to try to get a reasonable response.

On another matter:

It is against our terms of use for a YMMSS member to copy and post a note by another member without that member's permission. But I suppose what is a reasonable rule in our forums can be ignored with impunity. I am used to impunity -- in Sudan.

How bout this? We'll watch our own house if you'll watch yours. Nah. We do watch ours. How about you do the same?

Best, S

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Hey Esto you said you model your forums after Webmasters World. I guess you never read them. I copied and pasted it here. Maybe you should read it again, such as #29. I could be wrong, but where does it say one can't be negitive?

[Leonidas]

Esto,
Since you stopped by, would you do me the honor of answering the questions I posted earlier in this thread? Here they are again.

1. If the 90 million that is claimed to have cycled is actually the same as being paid out since it is claimed that real money was used, then how can taxes not be paid on this "real" money?

2. If an EPC is an actual product with a real value of $10 then why are there no refunds? Seems to me that if you have never cycled and never used your EPC's for advertising you have gained no service from YMMSS and therefore should be able to return your EPC. If they are actually worth something, then why wouldn't Kim be happy to take them back and refund members money??

I look forward to your reply.

Also, there have been many threads a quotes taken from this forum and posted to YM forums. You have even used what is said to kick members out. Talk about minding your own house. :nono:

L

[Deso]

Actually, if they could answer the negative questions, and keep them up there, they would get MORE customers because customers would trust them more for leaving negative comments and responding to them. For example, when I shop on ebay, I look at the negative comments more than the positive ones. If they are dumb negative comments and the person responded well, that is better than a bunch of "great job" comments. Trust me, in business, negative comments that can be addressed properly are better than positive ones.

I fully understand that Concerned, being self employed myself I know just how much negativity dealt with correctly can turn it into a great positive. :) However, my point is that they cannot answer the negative questions, thus making their business show just how amateur it really is. You cannot run a business with the "Wait & See" attitude. If you wait, in business terms you're history. :nono:
I know Ill get lots of flack about how they have produced millions etc etc, and they are in their 4th year but to me it doesnt cut the mustard. To me thats been 2 maybe 3 yrs building their ponzi and now its got too heavy to sustain. Word is out and everyone wants paying. :mad:
They might as well go into the bookmaking industry as all they seem to do nowadays is speculate about the restructuring, now I know financial institutions speculate also, but they post their annual accounts to every shareholder so they know where the money is going and coming from. Cant say I can ever recall hearing anyone from YMMSS who can say that they do that.
And they say they are legit? Businesses also restructure too, I can accept that but usually they give reasons why? And make clear how they intend to restructure to avoid the situation that caused it the reason for doing so in the first place. Again.. YMMSS? :shake:

[Dreamer]

You know what I dont understand? Ok, I admit, lots and lots of stufff. But, Kim is such a great wonderful person.

As it stands right now, Kims current liabilities, according to his numbers, stands at $93million - $120million. Thats the amount of money that still needs to double. But, by quickly changing the payment plans in the middle of the game to convert ymmss from a doubler into a profit sharing, he has erased that $120million in liabilities. How honest of a guy is that?

If people are going to get involved in a lawsuit, they should start it now before he changes the game.

[AvidA]

And they say they are legit? Businesses also restructure too, I can accept that but usually they give reasons why? And make clear how they intend to restructure to avoid the situation that caused it the reason for doing so in the first place. Again.. YMMSS? :shake:

And they never gave any notice that there was to be a restructuring. Let's don't forget that up until the weekly conference call right before the "new plan", Kim was saying the system "was working as it should be".

Also, as I had stated before, what is up with Mike Hamilton not being able to tell us which Fortune 20 company he worked for? His testimonial in the YM testimonial section is indicative of a man who was nothing more than an internet marketing junkie. Why would anybody who really worked for a Fortune 20 company leave to work with a failing YM? Also, I noticed that he was one of the very first in YM. :shake:

[bowmaker]

So when someone voices a concern that they don't think they will ever get paid, what rule did they break? It must be the "please don't effect our profits rule." Of course you have clear limits. The limits are to delete any post that effects profits.



Please explain what statements are highly damaging? I didn't know any statements could damage Matrix Watch. And by the way, we have decided to model our forums after the First Ammendment of the United States. It allows for freedom of speach.



exactly right , and here on matrixwatch we didnt have to pay to become a member and are allowed to post our concerns about ymmss freely

[swishnev]

esto, don't come in here and tell MW how to run its forum. you have enough problems over there with yours. once again, you are trying to control all information in, out and about ymmss. that never works.

If you think we don't know what's going on in the YMMSS Forums just because we aren't members anymore, you are wrong. We still have ways of getting all the information a member does, just like you can come over here and read the things in Matrix Watch.

"It is against our terms of use for a YMMSS member to copy and post a note by another member without that member's permission"

Fortunately I am no longer a YMMSS Member so the only Forum rules I need to follow are the rules for Matrix Watch.

Maybe if you got all your mods together and came up with a standard answer for this, and other issues, you wouldn't have to worry about things like this happening. Seems like all of your mods, except one, can keep their wits about them. That's a bit of advice from me, and it's free.

[brenda]

Soon there won't be anyone left in the YM forums. They have been over there deleting posts and locking threads since early since this morning.

[lionking]

Sure Brenda,

they banned me from the YM forum again!

[brenda]

what did you get charged with this time? I was trying to answer that post of yours where you had that delicious chocolate cake and ice cream for the bunny to eat, and the thread had been locked. hmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder, I guess I better not say anything bad. somebody over there might come over here and read it and kick me out over there.

[concerned]

On another matter:

It is against our terms of use for a YMMSS member to copy and post a note by another member without that member's permission. But I suppose what is a reasonable rule in our forums can be ignored with impunity. I am used to impunity -- in Sudan.

How bout this? We'll watch our own house if you'll watch yours. Nah. We do watch ours. How about you do the same?

Best, S

I almost forgot. I have more news for you. I never signed up for YMMSS or their forums, but I can read them, so if I were to copy a post, I wouldn't be breaking any rules, since I never agreed to them in the first place.

[esto]

Esto, if you and Kim and the rest of the YMMSS leadership are convinced that your business model is sound and that retailers will pour millions into STA, why all the concern about this site? I'm sure eBay, Yahoo and Google had their detractors but they did not whine about negative comments on Internet bulletin boards.

If YMMSS is all that you say it is (legal, innovative, etc.) then the Truth will Set You Free. The fact that you keep showing up on Matrix Watch to defend YMMSS demonstrates that you are concerned that YMMSS affiliates are coming to the same conclusions as the members here have realized months ago. Otherwise you and Alan would be ignoring this site altogether.

In my opinion, the more you post here the closer YMMSS is to going out of business completely.

Interesting. Actually though I enjoy this. But I see your point and it's probably true in terms of the big survivors you mention. I came initially because of the trashing of Kim with unsubstantiated charges, then I thought I could maybe answer some questions but most people rejected what I felt were reasonable and truthful answers, now I come for various reasons, most recently to suggest to any YM members here who are disaffected but still in the YM forums that I will be perfectly happy to try to answer questions via pm in our forums. That creates a more civil relationship than in forums where TOU's come into play. Or don't as the case may be.

I would add that your YM members have few compunctions about posting in both forums. I assume there is no rule here against that. Cheers, S

[esto]

I almost forgot. I have more news for you. I never signed up for YMMSS or their forums, but I can read them, so if I were to copy a post, I wouldn't be breaking any rules, since I never agreed to them in the first place.

I am not sure if that is correct in terms of our public forums, but it certainly is not the case with our member only forums. Notes copied from there would clearly be covered. I assume you do not read there. Cheers, S

[Leonidas]

Esto, You keep ignoring me :confused:

L

[swishnev]

esto, do you really think the only way into your member forums is to buy epc's and become a ymmss member? come on, you seem like a smarter guy than that

[brenda]

Dont look at me, I didnt give it to him.



Just wanted to mention so my friends still in YMMSS don't catch backlash from this, that this post did not come from them. It actually came from a YMMSS Member who was checking out this site and passed it along to me. I know that YMMSS Mods will read this thread and I just wanted to make sure that they knew it wasn't from anyone I personally know in YMMSS.

[lionking]

Brenda wrote:

what did you get charged with this time? I was trying to answer that post of yours where you had that delicious chocolate cake and ice cream for the bunny to eat, and the thread had been locked. hmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder, I guess I better not say anything bad. somebody over there might come over here and read it and kick me out over there.

I have no idea! But I know for sure, I DID NOT BREAK TOU!!!

Just had a little fun, that is all...

lol lol lol

As I said before: EVERY thread with some argument WILL BE LOCKED
ASAP an sent to archives...

[MatrixWatch]

I am not sure if that is correct in terms of our public forums, but it certainly is not the case with our member only forums. Notes copied from there would clearly be covered. I assume you do not read there. Cheers, S

Posts can be copied from one forum to another, and if there are any caveats about copyright, then the original author or location of the post should be cited.

If I can type an entire chapter of Harry Potter and post it on this forum (with proper citations) and not be subject to legal action from J.K. Rowling's publisher, then we can certainly copy a post from the YM forums to here (and vice versa).

All of this talk about copyright from the YM supporters is just a futile effort to put the members here on the defensive while not answering the real issues at hand.

Remember this... They have more to fear in the legal realm than any of us do. So, just keep speaking the truth about YMMSS, and don't worry about any of the threats they try to hash out in the meantime. The very fact that they are reading posts here and trying to intimidate MW members shows that your efforts thus far have been successful.

I'd venture to say that the members here are only getting started.

[brenda]

exactly right , and here on matrixwatch we didnt have to pay to become a member and are allowed to post our concerns about ymmss freely

are you sure concerns can be posted freely? I read a post earlier this evening where they had forgotten to quote the Addendum to Estos post of Negativity, where they can kick members out and NOT refund their money if they track members down over here and catch them in the act.

[weirdid]

brenda,

there is no way you can be tracked by YMMSS staff, here on Matrixwatch. Your ISP and IP address cant be found by anyone searching on here.

Just use a differant ID, and dont leave clue's as to who you are.




weird

[AvidA]

are you sure concerns can be posted freely? I read a post earlier this evening where they had forgotten to quote the Addendum to Estos post of Negativity, where they can kick members out and NOT refund their money if they track members down over here and catch them in the act.

Can you imagine the communistic attitude it would take to do that? Taking away our freedom of speech as well as expression? I am pretty sure we could sue the crap outta them for that.

As for you, Lionking. I see you there quite often. I never noticed that you did anything wrong! Imagine! I hate the forums, anyway. I don't post because they're cliquish and never answer. They say they welcome people...and maybe they do at first--but then they just shut them down later on. If you're not royalty, or embassador or some garbage like that, you're plain NOT WELCOME--no matter what the doormat says :mad:

[lionking]

AvidA wrote:

As for you, Lionking. I see you there quite often. I never noticed that you did anything wrong!

I know that...All I did was having a little fun...

lol lol lol

They just don't have sense of humor! They did not let me have my sig:

SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!

because it is not "enough positive"...

:D :D :D

[Mat_Watcher]

AvidA wrote:



I know that...All I did was having a little fun...

lol lol lol

They just don't have sense of humor! They did not let me have my sig:

SEEING IS BELIEVING!!!

because it is not "enough positive"...

:D :D :D

LionKing,

You posted concerns about archiving threads and when Mods explained WELL that You should contact Admin or PM the mods ,You followed again the wrong way to keep posting Yours opinions.
You were not having funny,You've been keeping to hit the wrong way whatever Mods asked You to follow the rules You agreed to keep in mind.

This is what I think caused You've been banned again.

Many thanks

[AvidA]

LionKing,

You posted concerns about archiving threads and when Mods explained WELL that You should contact Admin or PM the mods ,You followed again the wrong way to keep posting Yours opinions.
You were not having funny,You've been keeping to hit the wrong way whatever Mods asked You to follow the rules You agreed to keep in mind.

This is what I think caused You've been banned again.

Many thanks

So what you're saying is that the Nazis only want good posts and nothing negative to their point of view. Wow! Even Ebay knows better than this rule. Yea, keep it up Mat-Watch. Pucker up and keep kissing ***! lol But it won't make you any richer.

[bowmaker]

there isnt one person on the ym forums that i would like to know personally, however there are several i'd like to meet.
they say there family , but i say i have family now that i cant trust.

go ont there and psot something like ," hey i just purchase 10 $10 epc's " and the response you'll get will be sickening.

on the other hand if you make a post saying , " when will my 10 $10 epc's cycle?" ..., the the response to that will be sickening as well , just in a different way.

[brenda]

It seems to be against the law over there to ask or say the "wrong" thing. I wish they would compose a manual of Prepared and Proper Statements and Questions to Post, PPSQP101, then members over there would know what is "socially correct".

[Mat_Watcher]

It seems to be against the law over there to ask or say the "wrong" thing. I wish they would compose a manual of Prepared and Proper Statements and Questions to Post, PPSQP101, then members over there would know what is "socially correct".

There is already,its called TOU.
Understanding it is another question.

Many thanks

[brenda]

of course, the interpretations vary from minute to minute, all depending on varying moods.

[jokach]

There is already,its called TOU.


So you're saying then that the TOU states what can and what can't be asked in the forums? Thats the craziest form of censorship i've ever seen. The purpose of having a forum is to allow people to openly ask questions and gain insight from others. If the right questions can't be asked, there must be something to hide, wouldn't you think? This sounds exactly like what Greg over at Gotmatrix did when people were on to the fact that he was running a scam. He came up with crazy rules and terms to purposely ban and delete posts ... basically censor things for his benefit, let me quote the great writer Henry Steele Commager: "The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion. "

I'm not sure what country you are from Mat_watcher (by your poor use of English grammar and sentence building), but the interpretation of the 'rules' seem pretty clear, and regardless of what interpretation you take of it, theres definitely something wrong there. :nono:

jokach

[bowmaker]

since my last post on this thread a few people on the ym forums have already started private messaging me in ymmss wanting to fight . so i gave them my home address.

[Mat_Watcher]

Sorry MatrixWatch TechieDog,

My poor english is my limit and I know it.
The TOU simply say HOW You should post,and not WHAT.
Its completely different.
Many concerns were been addressed,
who's keeping posting the same over and over simply didn't like the answer they had.
As nothing more can be done ,they have been invited to contact YMMSS admin.
Its not too difficult to understand,if I can,everybody should.
I'm sorry if I confused some of You.

Many thanks

[Arzel]

Sorry MatrixWatch TechieDog,

My poor english is my limit and I know it.
The TOU simply say HOW You should post,and not WHAT.
Its completely different.
Many concerns were been addressed,
who's keeping posting the same over and over simply didn't like the answer they had.
As nothing more can be done ,they have been invited to contact YMMSS admin.
Its not too difficult to understand,if I can,everybody should.
I'm sorry if I confused some of You.

Many thanks

I really don’t see what the difference is Mat_Watcher. In any case it doesn’t seem the YM even follows any TOU.

For example, one of the terms is that no post including speculative information will be allowed. This term is (was) used to delete posts regarding cycle times or estimated RTF payments, and they are deleted almost immediately on the public forum, that is the if the post looks negative. Posts predicting a reduction in cycle time or high RTF payment are (were) routinely left in, but any post predicting the opposite is quickly deleted.

I don’t even know why you are debating this. It is common knowledge that YM will delete anything that they view even remotely negative. There have been threads here discussing just the length to which posts will be deleted or edited by the mods in the public forums. To say otherwise is simply delusional.

[brenda]

it doesnt even have to be negative for them to delete it. if you are one of the ones they are stalking, if you are the stalkee of the day, then they will delete anything you say, even if it is benign or neutral.

[lionking]

Brenda is correct!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[AvidA]

Ym ad forums are a real pain for me. Even if Kim is a great guy, he has nothing but snobbish, nasty people working for him over there. If you don't kiss up..you're ignored. If you ask a question like I did that went something like this: "If there are no caps put in place won't we become weighted down with the same existing problem?" That, to anyone in their right mind, is a perfectly good question. I waited and it took less than five minutes to be deleted and for me to be PMed. I can't remember for sure but I think it was Adolf Hitler who deleted me! lol lol lol

So I would love to ask our English challenged friend, Mat_watcher what part of the TOU did I violate with a simple question? :rolleyes:

[bowmaker]

i have had over 50 post deleted and only got a pm once out of all 50 telling me i violated the tou .

[brenda]

They are pretty wierd. Doesn't it seem like they would realize that by not allowing questions and opinions, they are forcing people to go elsewhere to voice their opinions and questions. I guess they will figure it out after more of you come over here to ask questions and get things figured out.

[lionking]

At last I got my signature...in this forum!

lol lol lol

It was not allowed in YMMSS forum, not "positive enough"...

:D :D :D