amount of time spent on Matrixwatch

[BroomHilda]

I have been on this site a few times recently (as well as YMMSS) to research YMMSS. What I absolutely cannot get over is the amount of time the regular posters must spend on these forums! Do these people not have jobs or families or some type of hobby that will contribute to society???? I'm sure the MatrixWatch people feel that they are helping steer people away from a scam, but they just say the same thing over and over and over. Why do you feel the need to keep arguing when you have made a clear argument? How do you possibly have the time to do so? And I'm sure YMMSS posters feel it is part of their job to promote the business. But they must spend HOURS each day on those boards!!! And the people that are apparently posting both places?? Are these boards your only social outlet? Honestly, I have a hard time taking advice from either place, as I'm worried about the wisdom of people whose top priority in life seems to be spending time on these boards. I feel sorry for any spouses/children/friends being neglected because of this addiction. I'm sure you all love your families more than life itself. How about you get off the computer and show them?!

[Dreamer]

I work 2 jobs, about 13-15 hours a day, 7 days a week (ok, i have 2 days of the first job, but the second job is 7 days a week). My time here has helped me to research laws of my own state and fight my first employeer about the laws they are breaking, and fight for what it mine based on their own hanbook.

Some finghts need to be fought until the end.

[swishnev]

broomhilda, welcome to matrix watch. it is my understanding that most people in here post while they are either a) at work, or b) in their spare time. on top of that the reason why you see some people post often is because they are upset that they were scammed by ymmss and/or have friends that have been or are being scammed by ymmss. when people put thousands of dollars into a company only to see no return at all, i think they have the right to speak their mind. since they are not allowed to do that without retribution on the ymmss forums they come here.

i understand your concern, i don't think anyone should be spending time on here instead of with their families. but, i don't think that is happening very often, if at all. thanks for your concern though and welcome to matrix watch.

[surfer]

I have been on this site a few times recently (as well as YMMSS) to research YMMSS. What I absolutely cannot get over is the amount of time the regular posters must spend on these forums! Do these people not have jobs or families or some type of hobby that will contribute to society???? I'm sure the MatrixWatch people feel that they are helping steer people away from a scam, but they just say the same thing over and over and over. Why do you feel the need to keep arguing when you have made a clear argument? How do you possibly have the time to do so? And I'm sure YMMSS posters feel it is part of their job to promote the business. But they must spend HOURS each day on those boards!!! And the people that are apparently posting both places?? Are these boards your only social outlet? Honestly, I have a hard time taking advice from either place, as I'm worried about the wisdom of people whose top priority in life seems to be spending time on these boards. I feel sorry for any spouses/children/friends being neglected because of this addiction. I'm sure you all love your families more than life itself. How about you get off the computer and show them?!


lol lol

Thank you for your concern BroomHilda. :)

I do a lot of work online and always have several
browsers open, so it's not that difficult or time
consuming to pop in and respond a couple of times
per day to posts here, and elsewhere.

As for taking advice from any of us internet junkies ;),
at least you can do whatever you end up doing after
seeing both sides of the story.

You can read the sanitized YMForums where posts
are either edited, deleted, or archived if they go too
far south of towing the company line and you can
read the mathematics behind our views here at MW
in addition to the laundry list of false promises, hype,
missed deadlines, lies, errant predictions and everything
else that Kim Inman and Co. have been spewing for 3+
years.

Then you can make a much more informed decision.

All the rah rah cheerleading in the world won't make
an unsustainable business any more sustainable in the
long run.

The fact that internet advertising is a multibillion dollar
business doesn't guarantee any success whatsoever
for YMMSS. The business model they are using is already
a proven failure. If Mike Hamilton can achieve even
modest success I'll be impressed, but that still won't pay
people what they were promised.

[concerned]

I have been on this site a few times recently (as well as YMMSS) to research YMMSS. What I absolutely cannot get over is the amount of time the regular posters must spend on these forums! Do these people not have jobs or families or some type of hobby that will contribute to society????

As the person with the 4th most posts on this forum, let me just say that I never post on my free time. I always post while I am at work. You see, there is this thing called multi-tasking that you should look into. It is a great and effective tool. What happens is that I do more than one think at a time. I do a lot of work on computers, and when I have a report running, or I am waiting to install software on a machine next to me I have several options.

1) I can sit and do nothing while watching the screen.
2) I can do something else while waiting for the process to run.

I just happen to chose to be efficient and do something else while waiting.

What is wrong with that?

Oh, and by the way, since I am in the top 5 in posts, I don't spend very long on the forums. Maybe the longest I spend was 2 hours in one day a long time ago. Normally it is 15 minutes.

[jokach]

What I absolutely cannot get over is the amount of time the regular posters must spend on these forums! Do these people not have jobs or families or some type of hobby that will contribute to society???


We are contributing to society, maybe you don't see it our way. I spend alot of time here, and I have for a long time now (in spite of being chief admin), but every minute I spend here is worth it when it comes to providing REAL information to consumers about the fraudulent programs they can get involved in. Unfortunately, the internet is full of too many 'pie in the sky' reviews of getting gifts cheap and quick or making money fast websites. A source like Matrixwatch is needed, and people who spend time here and voice their opinions day in and day out are the main reason for the success we've had with advising consumers.

If for all the time I spend here, it saves one single person from being scammed. I say its worth it. Definitely.

jokach

[mercinary]

BroomHilda,

Rather than re-hash, I will just say that I personally share the same view as Jokach on this matter.

Take a look around the internet and you will find many forums where people are spending considerable amounts of time posting. Those forums might be about anything (cars, books, movies, TV, sports, and on and on and on). For us, this is our "thing", and I feel proud to be a part of it. We aren't just rambling on for the fun of it, but rather, we are helping people.

And as far as the whole topic of family time, you shouldn't worry yourself with that. I too do most of the matrixwatch work on the side, which virtually never interferes with my home life.

-Merc

[BroomHilda]

I can definitely understand choosing message boards over staring into space. And I think this forum is far more worthwhile than one that argues the validity of the wardrobe of specific Star Wars characters. So none of you are doing this at work when you're supposed to be doing something else? No one has any tension at home from spending too much time on the internet? And I asked why, once the main argument against YMMSS has been made, it continues to be repeated over & over & a couple of the replies were to again repeat the argument! ??? You know the stereotypes of the internet forum people: 30-year-olds in their mother's basement - never had a friend, never kissed a girl (well, outside of cyberspace) or people completely disconnected from their families spending every free moment at their computer or people bored with their job wasting company time on the internet. So we're all responsible users with no computer-related relational disfunctions? (I know this has nothing to do with YMMSS, I've just always wondered about things like this & finally decided to ask.)

[BroomHilda]

Oh, and Concerned,

I am a mother of 3 with a full-time job. I think a know a bit about multi-tasking.

Thanks for your honest replies. Good luck in your "fight for justice since 2003". I've got to go fold laundry while I grade papers while I pack lunches while I straighten up the house while I phone my parents while I walk the dog while I do lesson plans while I talk with my husband etc etc etc.

[Arzel]

Hi Broomhilda,

As another big poster, at least for YMMSS. I also do computer programming so I have free time just as concerned, but also live a very active outside life, in fact just returned from a long camping trip with family. I also don't watch much TV, and when I do I usually am on the computer anyway. In fact right now I am watching the Twins beat Chicago, catching up on a few posts, cleaning from my camping trip, checking work email, and just threw in a load of laundry.

In my experience everyone is capable of doing tremedous multi-tasking....if it is something they believe in, and I for one believe in trying to remove matrix/ponzi scams from the internet. :)

[mercinary]

Since there is apparently some interest...

I have a wife of 2 years.
I have a 12 year old little brother through the Big Brother Big Sister program (7 hours a week I hang out with him).
I watch very little TV, unless it is Red Sox games or the History Channel
I am a WW2 buff and spend many hours each week reading non-fiction WW2 books
I'm an avid poker player
Heavily active in the church
And I work 45-50 hours a week as a software engineer

I don't take work home with me.
I don't have any kids of my own.

I find time to squeeze in about 15-30 minutes for M.W. each day.

-Merc

[Dreamer]

The benefit of 2 monitors. I can do something productive on one monitor and read interesting debates/forums on another monitor. Ok, usually I just watch tv on my second monitor.

Working 2 jobs, still a student, and studying chess in any spare time I have, I usually devote 30 minutes a day before and after I wake up to online stuff like this.

Why do we repeat the same thing over and over and over again? because no supporter can come up with a valid argument that our logic is flawed. This is not to say that we know everything...there are plenty of members here like me who are still learning about the sites we discuss. I was hoping esto could provide a decent argument against ymmss being a ponzi, but his arguments, in my opinion, are so flawed.

So, if you dont like our arguments, why not send over somebody who is very knowledgeable in whatever your interest to teach us the truth and show us our logic.

[BroomHilda]

You don't understand what I'm saying. Your arguments are fine. Your logic is fine. It's the repetition. You're beating a dead horse.

[Dreamer]

So, would you suggest that we just leave the horse alone and just ignore it since we are repetative?

Here is my problem...i haven't read about 95% of the threads since before I became a member. And, since becomming a member I read about half of them. I think the people who are first finding out about MW would rather leave current debates or opinions so that they may jump right in with their own idea. I've posted to a few threads that was over a year old, and its just not the same. Yes, people responded to me if I asked questions, but chances are...people arent as interested in the older threads as the newer threads.

Thats my thoughts anyways. I like going to ymmss and people asking questions and all the answers are...read this thread, than read this thread, and read this thread. When you are done with those, check out this thread and that thread. No, just give me the answers.

My view of referencing threads is that the original thread was so well written that there is no way to rewrite it to make it better. Some cases thats the point, here and there. Instead of rehashing things, just point to another thread.

Either way, ymmss is not officially dead just yet, so I'm not going anywhere just yet. People can see my pretty picture and chooe to ignore my posts if they like.

[sisco50]

You don't understand what I'm saying. Your arguments are fine. Your logic is fine. It's the repetition. You're beating a dead horse.

LOL I can agree that there is a lot of "beating a dead horse" here. I have posted exactly that statement here in the past. When it was just a matrix thing, the "dead horse flogging" was much more evident than it is now. Maybe that is why I now spend less than an hour per week here now. Ten to fifteen minutes a day, four or five days a week. When one is busy, repetitive statements are pretty much a waste of time. But some believe that is how to get a message across. Each to his own. :)

[mercinary]

In our defense, you also have to be aware that there are dozens of "newbies" to our site each week. Many times, a "newb" will post a question or comment that constitutes a similar reply to what we have been posting for years now. Rather than scoffing at the poster, we typically choose to reiterate the point.

-Merc

[Salsa]

I have been on this site a few times recently (as well as YMMSS) to research YMMSS. What I absolutely cannot get over is the amount of time the regular posters must spend on these forums! Do these people not have jobs or families or some type of hobby that will contribute to society???? I'm sure the MatrixWatch people feel that they are helping steer people away from a scam, but they just say the same thing over and over and over. Why do you feel the need to keep arguing when you have made a clear argument? How do you possibly have the time to do so? And I'm sure YMMSS posters feel it is part of their job to promote the business. But they must spend HOURS each day on those boards!!! And the people that are apparently posting both places?? Are these boards your only social outlet? Honestly, I have a hard time taking advice from either place, as I'm worried about the wisdom of people whose top priority in life seems to be spending time on these boards. I feel sorry for any spouses/children/friends being neglected because of this addiction. I'm sure you all love your families more than life itself. How about you get off the computer and show them?!First, I think that it probably doesn't take as much time as you think. For example, BroomHilda, your current average of four posts per day here is much higher than anyone else in this thread! Four times as great as mine, and six times greater than even our forum moderator, Arzel. Be careful to not become obsessed! ;)

Personally, I moderate myself to an average of about one post per day, and it's very affirming to me how the good consequences of that sort of gradualism adds up over time.

You might also want to consider that opinions may vary as to what constitutes a "contribution to society." I can't say that I know what that means to you, but I don't see how it can be argued that the work done at Matrix Watch is not such a contribution--and a very important one in this day and age, at that.

I do agree, however, that having to present the same arguments over and over again can be tiresome for many (including me!). As long as a debate must go on, however, it's often necessary to remind people of what has been said before. There is also the problem of people jumping in with "new" information or objections without having read the many times they have been addressed before, and they must be answered yet again.

It's also important to recognize that each of us has different approaches for solving problems and reaching conclusions. Dreamer, for example, says that he hadn't read 95% of the posts before joining in--which would make me nuts if I let it. Personally, over the course of a few weeks, I read every post in this forum before posting anything. Then, after posted a couple of little ditties, it was about my third post that was somewhat more comprehensive.

By the standards of my own mind, that was the last post ever needed to be made about YMMSS, anywhere. :) ;) In my ideal world, people doing due diligence on YMMSS would find there way to Matirx Watch, read that post and say, "There's no way I am joining the YMMSS scam!" Active members of YMMSS (especially family members of mine) would also find their way here and realize that they shouldn't throw additional tens of thousands of dollars away on it.

I did receive several thank-you notes from readers who were positively influenced by that post, but it simply doesn't work that way for all. Not only do dishonest and misguided YMMSS proponents remain to attempt counter arguments (which then must be countered again), but my own approach to countering YMMSS may not appeal to all its prospective victims.

For example, BroomHilda, what leapt out at me in your first post was your comment, "I have a hard time taking advice from either place." The reason that leapt out at me is that you are in a very bad situation if you can only make a decision about YMMSS based on other people's advice. I think it's important that each person understand, first hand, for himself why YMMSS can't work. Only then can one know, with conviction, what is right. All that we can do here is to present the facts and provide a "map" that will lead you to the correct conclusion on your own.

It's YMMSS's style to expect you to make a decision based only on personal advice divorced from facts. Their arguments, like the continuing classic, "There's no better time to join than now. If you don't, you'll be sorry," are pure personal advice, based on no facts. My favorite in this category was from my wife's brother, when he was trying to recruit us into YMMSS: "Don't think about it, just do it! Trust me!" Of course, that's their style because, if you do think about it very deeply, you won't join!

My only advice is not specific to YMMSS at all: Do think about it. Look at the facts and assimilate them so you can draw your own conclusions without having to depend on anyones advice. You'll know what to run from all on your own!

Salsa
_________

[sisco50]

In our defense, you also have to be aware that there are dozens of "newbies" to our site each week. Many times, a "newb" will post a question or comment that constitutes a similar reply to what we have been posting for years now. Rather than scoffing at the poster, we typically choose to reiterate the point.

-Merc

Well aware and agree! :)

[happy]

Broomhilda,
Don't let them fool you. They can say all they like about not spending much time here. They may not "physically" spend all their time here but they are in the YM forums trying to gather info to put here and listening to the conference calls either live or taped which is time consuming or they are copying posts from YM members and using them here. Or in some cases they are listening to the taped conference calls and transcribing them to put here again very, very time consuming. Then there are all of their charts and graphs and calculations and very long posts. These take time also. Besides just reading the posts. And this is not the only topic they are posting in nor is it the only website they are involved with. Are they doing these things on some companies time??- who knows. I don't think any business advocates using company time for internet use. I don't care if you do have to sit there and stare at a blank screen while something is loading. If they are not at work doing these things then they are spending a lot of time at home doing it. I'm not saying that its right or wrong. Thats their business. But they can't come here and say it doesn't take up much of their time. It has to.
Happy :)

[swishnev]

broomhilda and happy, you've caught me. i use company time to surf the internet. i'm so ashamed of myself, i'm not sure what i'm going to do next. anything else you'd like to talk about?

[sisco50]

broomhilda and happy, you've caught me. i use company time to surf the internet. i'm so ashamed of myself, i'm not sure what i'm going to do next. anything else you'd like to talk about?

LOL I too spend a few minutes at a time on the net while at work. But seeing as how I own my business I figure I can do what I want with my time. BTW happy, I have never been to the ym site, forum or whatever. :) Sorry to disappoint you. :(

[Arzel]

Broomhilda,

Happy is just unhappy that the YMMSS ponzi collapsed and now has to try and hype the future system to try and get some money back. It really doesn't take that much time. Most of us here are quite good with math, so it doesn't take a great deal of time to put together estimates or build models, which kind of makes you wonder why Kim is so bad at estimating anything, when he is supposed to be some kind of math genious.

It does take a while to listen to the phone conversations, but I haven't listened to many of them lately, and have only transcribed a couple.

I am also not a member of YM so I don't read the inside forums, and there is not much to read on the public forums, the mods there do a pretty good job of deleting just about everything, leaving very little new to read. I was only partially surprised to return from a 5 day trip to see less than a dozen new posts on the YM forums. And most of those posts are the type of "Good Post!" "Welcome to the cult!" type stuff which doesn't take very long to read anyway. :)

[happy]

Broomhilda,

Happy is just unhappy that the YMMSS ponzi collapsed and now has to try and hype the future system to try and get some money back.


Not unhappy at all Arzel. The YMMSS non-ponzi has not collapsed. Funny thing... I didn't mention a single thing about the future system in YM or getting money back in this thread. You did. Thats not what this thread is about. Stick to the topic. See you can't even help repeating yourself. You have to throw things in whether its appropriate or not. You sound like a broken record. We all know your opinions by now. You even bring them up when they have nothing to do with anything. I think you like to hear yourself "type"!!!
Still Happy as always :)

[MatrixWatch]

Your arguments are fine. Your logic is fine. It's the repetition. You're beating a dead horse.

Yes, yes... You've mentioned this a few times in this thread already. Why do you keep on repeating yourself? :cool:

[swishnev]

happy, happy, happy, who cares? does the thread topic even have anything to do with YMMSS and Matrix Watch? If I were you, which I'm not, and I read these threads I'd sit there and say, "Well, we'll see" if I really believed in my product. You're posts are just showing me that you are also not 100% that YMMSS will produce the results they once expected. Why are you so worried about this? If you get your money back, you get it back, if you don't, you don't.

[happy]

Oh Swish,
Once again you've misread. It's your friend Arzel that got this thread off topic not me. I didn't mention the "ponzi" theory or getting money back or "my product". Go back and read the posts. You are so quick to jump all over me. It wouldn't matter what I said. Go jump on Arzel. Enough of this thread, who really cares what anyone does with their time.
Happy :)

[swishnev]

"does the thread topic even have anything to do with YMMSS and Matrix Watch? "

happy, when i mean off topic i meant the topic of the thread in itself. you are the one to misread. why is this thread even on here? you are the one to misread kind sir, not me

[Salsa]

Enough of this thread, who really cares what anyone does with their time?For one, the people who come here doing DD on YM and leave saying stuff like, "I really appreciate the research that you folks at Matrix Watch have done on YMMSS. I was about to join just before I found this site. Wow! What a huge mistake that would have been! Thank you so much!" They seem to care.

At the other end of the spectrum, there are folks like you who wish we didn't spend the time on YMMSS that we do because you feel that it jeopardizes the little cut that you might take from the scam.

Salsa
_______

[Arzel]

Oh Swish,
Once again you've misread. It's your friend Arzel that got this thread off topic not me. I didn't mention the "ponzi" theory or getting money back or "my product". Go back and read the posts. You are so quick to jump all over me. It wouldn't matter what I said. Go jump on Arzel. Enough of this thread, who really cares what anyone does with their time.
Happy :)

Happy,

You were the one to mention YM as a source of information as to how we were not completely honest about the amount of time we spend at MW. My comment was a direct response to your first off topic lead, and now you are really leading this off topic.

[Dreamer]

What I meant about 95% of the threads is this. When i first found MW, all I knew was theimatrix. I'm not sure if I knew of gotmatrix yet. I found a few other random matrix sites that seemed deader than theimatrix so I figure those were probably dead. So, I browsed thru the old threads to see if any of those sites were discussed, and I read what I could. But, for the most part, I still havent read most of everything since before I joined.

Now, for YMMSS, I probably read 99% of the posts here because thats a site im interested in. But, maybe I might have a question that was answered in the applematrix (or whatever that was) section...never read it.

So, that is what I meant. I try to read everything posted before I respond, unless something just irks me and I need to post my response right away before I forget it, but I try to read everything in a thread before posting.

[happy]

"does the thread topic even have anything to do with YMMSS and Matrix Watch? "

happy, when i mean off topic i meant the topic of the thread in itself. you are the one to misread. why is this thread even on here? you are the one to misread kind sir, not me

Well Swish,
I don't know why I bother but I don't like being accused of changing topics. The very first post in this thread is about YM. And most of the ones after that (including yours) mentions YM. I didn't post here until #19. I DID NOT START WITH THE YM STUFF. Go back and reread. I
only mentioned the amount of TIME that was spent researching YM. I would not have even found this thread had it not come up on my search of YM topics in this forum. Get your facts straight.
Happy :nono:

[happy]

Happy,

You were the one to mention YM as a source of information as to how we were not completely honest about the amount of time we spend at MW. My comment was a direct response to your first off topic lead, and now you are really leading this off topic.




FROM POST #4

You can read the sanitized YMForums where posts
are either edited, deleted, or archived if they go too
far south of towing the company line and you can
read the mathematics behind our views here at MW
in addition to the laundry list of false promises, hype,
missed deadlines, lies, errant predictions and everything
else that Kim Inman and Co. have been spewing for 3+
years.

Then you can make a much more informed decision.

All the rah rah cheerleading in the world won't make
an unsustainable business any more sustainable in the
long run.

The fact that internet advertising is a multibillion dollar
business doesn't guarantee any success whatsoever
for YMMSS. The business model they are using is already
a proven failure. If Mike Hamilton can achieve even
modest success I'll be impressed, but that still won't pay
people what they were promised.



Please enlighten me Arzel. Show me exactly where I got this thread off topic.
Check the post from surfer below...off topic. Check also the post from salsa #17 also off topic. Why do you all insist on blaming me. You are the ones who like to dig at YM every chance you get whether its asked for or not. Broomhilda was only wondering how some people spend so much time on this stuff and look what happened.





By the standards of my own mind, that was the last post ever needed to be made about YMMSS, anywhere. :) ;) In my ideal world, people doing due diligence on YMMSS would find there way to Matirx Watch, read that post and say, "There's no way I am joining the YMMSS scam!" Active members of YMMSS (especially family members of mine) would also find their way here and realize that they shouldn't throw additional tens of thousands of dollars away on it.

I did receive several thank-you notes from readers who were positively influenced by that post, but it simply doesn't work that way for all. Not only do dishonest and misguided YMMSS proponents remain to attempt counter arguments (which then must be countered again), but my own approach to countering YMMSS may not appeal to all its prospective victims.

For example, BroomHilda, what leapt out at me in your first post was your comment, "I have a hard time taking advice from either place." The reason that leapt out at me is that you are in a very bad situation if you can only make a decision about YMMSS based on other people's advice. I think it's important that each person understand, first hand, for himself why YMMSS can't work. Only then can one know, with conviction, what is right. All that we can do here is to present the facts and provide a "map" that will lead you to the correct conclusion on your own.

It's YMMSS's style to expect you to make a decision based only on personal advice divorced from facts. Their arguments, like the continuing classic, "There's no better time to join than now. If you don't, you'll be sorry," are pure personal advice, based on no facts. My favorite in this category was from my wife's brother, when he was trying to recruit us into YMMSS: "Don't think about it, just do it! Trust me!" Of course, that's their style because, if you do think about it very deeply, you won't join!

My only advice is not specific to YMMSS at all: Do think about it. Look at the facts and assimilate them so you can draw your own conclusions without having to depend on anyones advice. You'll know what to run from all on your own!

Salsa
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Please enlighten me Arzel. Show me exactly where I got this thread off topic.
Check the post from surfer above...off topic. Check also the post from salsa #17 also off topic. All made before I joined this thread. Why do you all insist on blaming me? You are the ones who like to dig at YM every chance you get whether its asked for or not. Broomhilda was only wondering how some people spend so much time on this stuff and look what happened. I was replying to her.
Happy :)

[Arzel]

Happy,

This thread is about how we can spead as much time as we do on MW (yes, some of it was YM related). Until your post claiming that we are lying, every post was a response to that question. My response to you may have been a little harsh, but it is a fact that you are upset with us discussing YM, and I am pretty sure you wouldn't be here if YM was doing well. My response was to contrast why you would say we were lying with your motivation behind that statement, and to restate my position on the time I spend on MW.

So while YM was mentioned in post one, your first post was an off topic interjection saying that we are not telling the truth. If you don't see it that way, fine, but quit the continual off-topic talk.

[Salsa]

Check also the post from Salsa #17 also off topic. All made before I joined this thread. Why do you all insist on blaming me? You are the ones who like to dig at YM every chance you get whether its asked for or not. Broomhilda was only wondering how some people spend so much time on this stuff and look what happened. I was replying to her.
Happy"Happy," I'm not sure if your problem is that you do not use your capacity for reason and therefore cannot follow a rational argument or you are just being willfully obstinate--but every single point of my post that you quoted as "off topic" was a direct response to BroomHilda's original post in this thread. Some of her points I agreed with and some I didn't, and I offered explanations and examples to support my position--entirely on topic.

It appears that another misperception that you have is that we are here simply to make "digs" at YMMSS. I, at least, am here to show that YMMSS is a scam by providing evidence and rational arguments to that end. The evidence against YMMSS is overwhelming, and I think it is a very worthwhile endeavor to reveal it. That's why I choose to spend what time I do defending victims against the YMMSS scam, and that's what I told BroomHilda.

On the other hand, you and other "defenders" of YMMSS have never been able to provide a single rational defense of YMMSS, so the only thing you are left with is to make "digs" against us. Please don't project your own weakness into us. You are the one who is wasting your time here as you continue to speak while having nothing to say. I don't want you to go away, however. Like Alan and esto, you make a useful example to our ends, yourself, further expediting our goals here.

Salsa
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[AvidA]

Peronally, I don't feel a need to tell Broomhilda what I am doing here. It's none of her business and for that matter what is she doing here? Besides establishing herself as an officially "better person" than the rest of us.

Broomhilda? Don't you have some laundry you could go fold? Bugger off as it is really NONE of your business what people are doing here. Your self righteous attitude is transparent and so are you..............

[mercinary]

AvidA:

Please read the forum rules. We do not allow personal attacks on M.W.. I would have to agree with your view that it really isn't any of her business, but that isn't an excuse for personal insults. We appreciate everyone's input, so please try to stick to the rules.

-Merc

[AvidA]

Mercinary,

While I appreciate that you didn't delete me here like they would have in the YM forums; why do you say "we" appreciate everyone's input? I didn't appreciate hers and she never really made it clear what she was doing here. If she has some solid imput I will read it. After all, I look at esto's postings everyday. But she had nothing to say. She manipulatively put everyone on the defense and we should not be on the defense to anyone! We are the ones who are doing the right thing here. We are on the offense. I know I sure am.
Thank you.

[MatrixWatch]

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