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jokach
August 20th, 2005, 01:48 AM
This article is based out of Ireland, however the feeling seems to be the same across the globe about what the "PIPS" program is really all about.

Reposted from:
http://www.unison.ie/meath_chronicle/stories.php3?ca=34&si=1451811&issue_id=12875



Some say they have been ripped off

Paul Murphy

A KELLS investor in a controversial “get rich quick” pyramid-style scheme said this week that there was nothing sinister about the scheme and that reports of being “ripped off” were exaggerated.

The Consumers Association last week issued a caution about the scheme called the People in Profit System (PIPS), which has been the subject of alerts in two US states and in Australia.

One person who contacted a national newspaper claimed that he had lost E5,000 and was now anxious to warn people against the scheme.

Another investor said the scheme is a “scam” that has swept Kells and was beginning to do the same in Navan. He said that 10-12 individuals had “blown this scam up by constantly preaching about its great rewards” and claimed that many people in Kells had put in E1,000-5,000.

He claimed that many people who had been pursued to join the scheme had borrowed money from the credit union and would never see their “investment” back unless they got a relative or friend to join the scheme.

It appears that initial investors in the scheme have received pay-offs but there have been recent reports of people waiting on a return on their investment since last November.

The scheme, which has its own website, claimed it was ‘designed to ensure members achieve the financial independence they desire’.

The site says ‘members can take comfort in the fact that they will be providing urgently needed aid to underdeveloped countries and will also be assisting in the building of a sustainable world environment’.

Under the terms of the scheme investors are asked to ‘loan’ $460 to the company. A sum of $35 is retained as an account set-up fee and the remaining $425 is characterised as a loan to the company for 180 days.

PIPS agrees to pay the investor with interest under a schedule depending on the type of plan the investor chooses. The interest payments on the loan can be as high as 5,000 per cent, with a $460 dollar loan purported to return over $8,000.

US and Australian officials have warned that the system was essentially an ‘illegal Ponzi scheme’. Named after US swindler Charles Ponzi, the scheme uses money from later investors to pay early investors, the US officials say.

One Meath investor claimed that the scheme worked initially but soon the payments had dried up and his E5,000 investment had now disappeared.

A Kells investor who has defended the scheme denied that he and a small group of people in the town were organisers or agents for the scheme. He said there had been a lot of talk about people being “ripped off”.

As a result of “sinister” messages posted on a website noticeboard, he and the others had consulted a solicitor. “First, there were a lot of people coming on to the website saying they could not get their money out of the company. Then it got a bit more sinister. People were being mentioned, not by name, but by their street addresses.”

The investor, who did not want to be named, said: “There’s nothing sinister about this. PIPS Incorporated is based in Malaysia. I joined up for $460 and I mentioned it to a few friends. I would explain to them what was involved but none of us were agents for the scheme.”

It was his belief that about 80,000 people worldwide were in the scheme, using 2,000 accounts. He said that he had spoken to “about 60 people” about the scheme. “On the website there are details of the terms and condi-

tions before you join. The type of investment would be termed high risk. There’s no guarantee of a return. It warns you not to invest if it is going to have an adverse effect on your life.”

Asked if people would be advised to borrow from a credit union or bank to go into the scheme, he said that it was up to every individual to decide what they should do. “It’s not something I would do but it’s up to every individual,” he said.

“The scheme has been okay to me. I was told that from November last the payments have been slow coming through but I think they were sorting that out. I think there was trouble getting the banks to forward the money for the scheme.”

The man said that some people thought that he and others got commission for getting people into the scheme or that they were agents for it “but that is not the case”.

He said the interest paid on the amount invested amounted to two per cent gross per trading day. “I was one of the first people to join it and when people heard about it I was getting calls night and day. I must have spoken to about 60 people. It just snowballed.”

He had put in no more than $2,000, he said.

Dermot Jewell, chief executive of the Consumers Association of Ireland (CAIU), said the reality was that reports of this scheme were just “variations on a theme” of schemes from which few, if any people, benefited.

He said that the number of these so-called ‘pyramid schemes’ were on the decline and the CAIU had not received any reports of the PIPS scheme to date. However, he said that the fact that this scheme was the subject of alerts in the US and Australia should put Irish consumers off getting involved.



jokach

sisco50
August 20th, 2005, 09:33 AM
This article is based out of Ireland, however the feeling seems to be the same across the globe about what the "PIPS" program is really all about.

Reposted from:
http://www.unison.ie/meath_chronicle/stories.php3?ca=34&si=1451811&issue_id=12875




jokach

It appears that a vast majority of the town of Kells had joined PIPS due to someone there promoting it heavily. From what I have read at other sites, that scenario has become an ugly mess. Or soon will be. :( Promoting is never a good idea when dealing with a money making program on the net no matter how good it may sound at the time. The high risk factor seems to elude those with greed in their eyes and people end up spending more than they can afford to lose. Not a good thing! :(

surfer
August 20th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Apparenty, Bank Negara is now investigating PIPS,
seizing their computers and shutting down their
websites.

At least that's the scuttlebutt around the net on a
few other forums.

sisco50
August 20th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Apparenty, Bank Negara is now investigating PIPS,
seizing their computers and shutting down their
websites.

At least that's the scuttlebutt around the net on a
few other forums.

Yes, it is true that an investigation has started. It is anticipated that all will be back on track early next week. So, we have another instance of wait and see. Not much else can be done. :)

Pips believer
August 23rd, 2005, 11:25 PM
Post removed by moderator, Please do not spam the same post to multiple threads. You have the same exact post on more threads than I care to track anymore, so the extras have been deleted.

maouse
August 29th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Yes, it is true that an investigation has started. It is anticipated that all will be back on track early next week. So, we have another instance of wait and see. Not much else can be done. :)

Anticipated by whom? Waiting... not seeing much... since December of '04...

-Marcel

ps. the PIPS Trust fund was worth 1.7 billion in January... its value doubles every 4 months... that is a total paid out (via PicPay) and/or net (PIPS Trust fund) worth of 6.8 billion today... bets anyone?

sisco50
August 29th, 2005, 04:57 PM
Anticipated by whom? Waiting... not seeing much... since December of '04...

-Marcel

ps. the PIPS Trust fund was worth 1.7 billion in January... its value doubles every 4 months... that is a total paid out (via PicPay) and/or net (PIPS Trust fund) worth of 6.8 billion today... bets anyone?

Interesting math. Where does this info come from?

maouse
September 7th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Interesting math. Where does this info come from?

Well, that's truly interesting is... here we are, past "early next week" and no news...

The math is based on 2% daily ROL. Over the course of six months that amounts to 1.4x the original investment for the investor - but the money in the system has doubled. In just four months, there is double the money in the system (no units have expired). At six months, there is less in your account, but not less in the system. There is 2.4x the original loan in the system after 6 months. 1.4x to investor and 1.0x "expired" to Mr. Marsden.

Where do the expired units go? Well, if it weren't a ponzi scam, where would they go, I mean.

-Marcel

SANDSTER
September 8th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Jokach,
Just wondered if anyone knew anything about the PIPS Bistro and clothing stores and the Real Estate businesses? I actually saw the photos of the PIPS Bistro. But I think that Ponzi hire people to act like they are investors etc., etc., Check out the links regarding PIPS Bistro etc..
:shake:
www.talkgold.com/forum/history/topic/29972-1.html
www.foodvenue.com/content/news/n040001_PIPS_Bistro.asp
www.whydowork.com/forums/about1231.html
www.hyipinvestment.com/pureinvestorspecial.php

Who knows! Again, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. :nono:
Sandster

SANDSTER
September 8th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Don't believe what you hear about everything being back on track next week. That is all they have been saying since January, "things should be back to normal soon, we are looking for a bank that can handle the volumn of transactions that we have."
I have a friend who belongs to Pips and invested $2000 :head: . This person would be considered a late investor as they invested in February of this year. I have a family member (shame on them) :nono: that invested in December of 2003 and of coarse they made out like a bandit....but..............someone has to look for a job now because...dah! they don't have an income coming in now. Never count your chicks before they hatch.

God I love this show!!!!! :D

SANDSTER
September 8th, 2005, 08:11 PM
he's getting this information from the members area on the "once was" Pips site

sisco50
September 9th, 2005, 08:09 AM
he's getting this information from the members area on the "once was" Pips site

I thought that site was still down? Haven't tried to go there in some time now.

dre77
September 14th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Asic found nothing on pips!!!!!!!

they apologised to them , pips is starting to pay again,

i could say alot more but no extras needed :)

people who stayed on this ship are very happy now


Andre
konstancek@optusnet.com.au

sisco50
September 14th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Asic found nothing on pips!!!!!!!

they apologised to them , pips is starting to pay again,

i could say alot more but no extras needed :)

people who stayed on this ship are very happy now


Andre
konstancek@optusnet.com.au

It would indeed seem that someone is reading very old information and relaying it as new. :(

maouse
September 14th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Asic found nothing on pips!!!!!!!

they apologised to them , pips is starting to pay again,

i could say alot more but no extras needed :)

people who stayed on this ship are very happy now


Andre
konstancek@optusnet.com.au

What are you smoking/injecting/taking? And where can I get some?

Personally, I still get a "server not found error" whenever I try to get "paid".

Why don't you try it for yourself www.pips.pipsinc.com/index.php

-Marcel