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ycchen
August 23rd, 2005, 04:58 AM
I just hope that the victims of PIPS could recover some of their loses...:( Again, some pipsters might still believe that PIPS is not a ponzi scam, and Bryan is a victim of wrongful investigation. Well, we will let the investigation speaks for itself.

http://www.sitnews.us/0805Viewpoints/082105_david_hanger.html

PIPS: THE END GAME BEGINS
By David G. Hanger



August 21, 2005
Sunday


On the evening of Monday, August 15, 2005, Bryan and Sharon Marsden, the two founding "cockroaches" of PIPS International, were taken into custody by Malaysian authorities. "Cockroach" is the preferred term used by law enforcement types to describe this kind of scammer. The Marsden's passports have been confiscated, and they have been incommunicado since that time. Charges are pending.

At approximately 2 p.m. Malaysian time on Tuesday, August 16, 2005, the main offices of PIPS were raided by "15 to 20" Malaysian Central Bank agents under the command of Inspector Mazlan. The bank agents were escorted by several uniformed police officers. All computers, servers, telephones, other electronic devices, and records were confiscated by bank authorities, and PIPS was shut down.

According to reports from reliable sources on the scene, the Marsdens "are offering all the assets of PIPS to the Malaysian authorities, no doubt in an attempt to bargain their way out of trouble. What this will mean for the members I am unable to predict." "A great deal of the funds appear to have been squandered on" unprofitable projects.

"The Malaysian authorities are hoping to be in a position to bring them to trial some time in October but admit that they are hampered by the lack of adequate records." Malaysian authorities are confident they will get what they need by analyzing the computer records, but acknowledge "some pretty laborious work" will be involved. Likely sentence for this type of crime in Malaysia is seven years. Reports indicate Malaysian prisons are among the most miserable in the world.

Despite the continued wishful thinking of tens of thousands of victims worldwide, PIPS is dead. There yet remain the hundreds, if not thousands, of 'PIPS franchisees', who scammed the scam and their numerous neighbors by sending Bryan Marsden's own funny money, PicPay, back to him and pocketing your cash. Many of these 'PIPS franchisees' have clipped their neighbors for tens and even hundreds of thousands of dollars. This fraudulent activity is felonious in most jurisdictions. The researchers and private investigators have substantiated how this scam operates and who has benefited, and it is now up to law enforcement authorities on all levels to carry the baton forward. Substantial funds are recoverable at the local level.

On or about May 19 of this year Mr. Quinten Warren of the Alaska Banking & Securities Division advised me that Bryan Marsden would be behind bars within two months. In this assessment Mr. Warren was incorrect; it took three months. That law enforcement had next to nothing to do with this result is the interesting aspect of this part of the PIPS story. The investigation that was done which culminated in the arrests of the Marsdens and the shutting down of PIPS was conducted by a small handful of professionals in the private sector. In the end, however, what actually activated law enforcement in Malaysia is what the folks in law enforcement have been asking for all along; a complaint.

Before their story is forgotten in the midst of court cases and the many other actions likely to emanate from this point forward their efforts deserve to be noted. PIPS, a phenomenon of the internet, was brought down in part by the internet, for the parties to this demise reside in all instances literally continents away from each other, and few of these individuals have had the opportunity to physically meet with each other. A writer, an accountant, a private investigator, and a legal team representing a small handful of disgruntled investors were the folks who brought PIPS down.

By the end of June the case against PIPS was moribund. Cease & Desist Orders remained faddish, and after Texas and Alaska started it the states of Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Missouri, and others followed. The FBI has been aware of the situation for quite awhile. For the most part, nonetheless, the efforts of law enforcement were advisory and symbolic. PIPS had not been paying out anything to speak of to its membership since the fall of 2004, had been vilified by the press and by numerous government enforcement agencies, and yet PIPS and PIPSters persisted in believing they were the possessors of special knowledge that would make them all rich, and all the rest of us were just a bunch of fools for not joining in.

For a while some students of this phenomenon were satisfied with the explanation that this seemingly cult-like behavior explained this disconnection; a bunch of 'kool-aid' drinking fools had just gone off the deep end. When Mr. Owen Platt, a successful writer about financial scams, contacted me on June 21, among the subjects discussed was this oddity that PIPSters still adamantly believed in PIPS despite the fact that PIPS by that time had in fact been a dead duck for quite awhile. The 'cult' explanation was just not adequate to justify this level of continued support by PIPSters. Something else was going on.

While there are PIPS clubs all over the world and all over the United States, by virtue of this and that in the way of circumstance the two hot spots of PIPS activity at the local level most frequently discussed were Kells, Ireland, and Ketchikan, Alaska. Kells is a community with an area population of 6000 or so; Ketchikan argues with itself whether its population is 11,000 or 15,000 people, and season by season the population is probably even more variable than that. Both appear generally to be blue-collar communities, albeit the Ketchikan tourist industry might pedantically argue to the contrary on that subject. Both have recently experienced population declines and weak local economies.

No question who put Ketchikan on the map. I put out a 'fraud alert' on Dick Kauffman's SITNEWS intended for local consumption, and because I put it on letterhead it became the first commentary denouncing PIPS that was signed by an accredited professional in the financial field. A far superior article had in fact been written by Mr. Tony Levene in the UK publication THE GUARDIAN in late 2004, but unfortunately not enough people read it. SITNEWS has managed this story very well, and has enhanced its reputation nationally and internationally accordingly, and the commentaries written by such local professionals as Bill Tatsuda, Charlotte Glover, and Mary Lynn Dahl have created what has been described by others "as the most reliable source of information on the subject of PIPS available anywhere." That is probably a considerable overstatement, but it has been a job well handled. The PIPS trolls have found no footing in Ketchikan.

The situation in Kells, Ireland, was brought to the attention of the world by an anonymous young man who hides behind the internet moniker "Paddybawn." He has been howling anonymously for months in internet forums about what is going on with PIPS in Kells. All evidence indicates he is afraid to do anything else. Described by one source as "a young man with a chip on his shoulder" he constantly laments the dilemma of his community, thinks it would be embarrassing for the world to know what's going on there, and then broadcasts to the world what is going on there. Apparently a rather conflicted young man in his mid-twenties, he clangs loudly from the shadows.

His clanging brought attention to a situation where purportedly as many as one out of three residents of Kells bought into PIPS. One out of three is probably another considerable overstatement, but there is no question today that a lot of people in the Kells area got conned.

A graduate of the London School of Economics, Mr. Owen Platt has recently written about bank fraud in Grenada and is highly respected in his field. His recent book is used by many in law enforcement as a guide for dealing with these types of scams. He resides in the Loire River Valley in France. He was asked not long ago by his publisher to write a book about PIPS. Early on in our conversations I pointed out to Owen that the way things were going this was going to be a long, drawn out story, that law enforcement if it was moving at all was moving very slowly, that PIPSters had yet to give an inch; and if he wanted to write the story any time soon, he would probably have to help make some of the story happen. A private investigator was sent into Kells to study the PIPS phenomenon there.

In the meantime Mr. Platt assisted in coordinating activities for a group of disgruntled investors and their legal team. This ultimately brought Marsden down. The details of this story belong to others, but formulating and directing the complaint was not a straightforward endeavor.

By July 21 the preliminary investigative report from Kells was completed, and this was revelatory. Quite a number of individuals and institutions have known for quite some time that with PIPS there has been a lot of scammers scamming other scammers going on. Bryan Marsden invented his own funny money, PicPay, probably not considering initially how imaginatively others would use this worthless, not even existent on paper currency to scam their neighbors and to scam even Bryan Marsden himself. For months people have been trying to dump this phony junk on unsuspecting fools via such things as eBay auctions.

What the Kells investigation brought into focus was why so many people still believed in PIPS in the last week of July 2005. By this point in time Bryan Marsden's PIPS had already fallen apart. His key people had all walked out on him, and his house of cards was crumbling around him; and still PIPSters believed in PIPS.

There is certainly a 'nut' factor involved, but the more startling reality remains how many individuals all over the United States, all over Europe, and all over Australia, just to name a few places, decided to become in effect "franchised" scammers and began stealing from their friends and neighbors and pocketed all of the proceeds themselves. It is very possible that these individuals stole a lot more money than did the Marsdens.

The method in fact is quite simple. I labeled it "couponing"; others call it the "cloning of PIPS accounts." The label does not matter. Some jolly PIPSter convinces a new victim that PIPS is a great deal, and the new victim pitches anywhere from $500 to $5000 in real cash money into the deal. Our jolly PIPSter uses his 'PicPay' to sign you up with PIPS and sticks your $500 to $5000 in his pocket. He rips you off, and he rips Marsden off at the same time. And cheeky, cheeky, he blames Marsden for his crime. The justification for this conduct is self-centered and bizarre. Our jolly PIPSter sent Bryan Marsden some money, then watched numbers progress on a computer screen: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128. It is literally that lame. So some months later our jolly PIPSter actually wants to believe that his $500 has grown to $150,000 or more because of a bunch of fictional numbers on a screen. When, therefore, he can no longer withdraw his "money" from PIPS in Malaysia, he goes into business for himself: Cash in, nothing but 'PicPay' out. He is not stealing, our jolly PIPSter will insist, for he has provided you with exactly what you paid for, a PIPS membership starting out at such and such a number, whatever you put in. There are, of course, the even more unconscionable individuals who do not need any self-justification whatsoever for their stealing; they just enjoy doing it.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of these individuals out there; PIPS franchisees. They've put together their little PIPS hamburger stand on the corner and are doing their best to steal the neighbors blind. PIPSters still believed in PIPS the last week of July 2005 because many were still contentedly stealing from their neighbors; other PIPSters just did not want it to be understood how much they had been stealing. In Kells, Ireland, that became clear when it was established that about a half-dozen individuals in Kells were the primary beneficiaries of a scam done in PIPS name where very little of the money left town.

By the last week in July all the pieces were falling into place. There was a lot of hard thinking involved before anything was done; and then methodically PIPS was taken down in less than three weeks. The commentary in SITNEWS on August 2, 2005, had one simple purpose: To set Kells, Ireland off at that moment in time. It blew sky high. There is everything but blood in the streets right now in Kells, Ireland. The locals know they've been conned, and that a lot of the con is local. They also know who conned them. The Irish branch of the PIPS family has some interesting days ahead of them.

This was not done callously, but rather as part of a concerted campaign to insure this thing is eradicated at all levels. To take out Marsden and to leave these local scammers untouched is not even a half-assed job. In many instances it looks like locals took considerably more than Marsden, which makes them naughty enough to be sure, but it also provides the opportunity for the recovery of a lot more of the stolen money. We have verified beyond question in the field that the PIPS fiasco morphed some time ago into a massive endeavor involving an incredible number of people engaged in criminal activity. Local law enforcement now has a serious job of work on its hands in numerous localities, whether it wants it or not. PIPS International is already dead and gone; the PIPS locals are about to follow.

Again, by virtue of nothing more than circumstance the road to Ketchikan, Alaska, led through Kells, Ireland. There appear to be significant differences in the PIPS phenomenon in each of these two localities. In Kells it seems to have started in the pubs, "lottery tickets and PIPS memberships," as one of my friends described it; and in terms of local population it does appear to be widespread in the community. Now that the folks in Kells are aware they have been ripped off, they are really pissed. Some of the 'baddies' have already sought the advice of solicitors, and it looks to be pretty much unraveling at this time.

In Ketchikan it seems to have run through a couple of the local churches, the winter basketball leagues, and reportedly some retirement plans by individuals.* (*This sentence has been edited to ensure that legitimate business retirement plans -- for example, such as Madison Hardware has -- aren't confused with individual investments in PIPS that might be made by employees.) At most a few hundred locals have gotten involved, and the total local financial loss could be as low as several hundred thousand dollars and not likely more than $2 million on the outside. Even the low end is a serious chunk of change. How much of the local loss has been the result of some 'pied piper' leading the gullible over the cliff by sending the money to Marsden, and how much of the local loss has ended up in the hands of local scammers, I do not know with certainty. Lew Williams, Jr. has reported that there is at least one local PIPS club with more than 50 local members, and as recently as last weekend there are at least 100 hardcore PIPS supporters having a grand old time here in Ketchikan. All of that suggests the likelihood of a considerable amount of local stealing going on here. Game called, folks. PIPS has been toast for a while now, so if you still believe in it, you're dumber than a rock, or you're stealing from somebody.

In Ketchikan stealing or conning locals out of their money is not viewed fondly. Not long ago a prominent local did Federal time for conning a bunch of Russians, which demonstrates we don't like locals conning folks from somewhere else either. Kathy Blauser and Ron Wendte both did time for their embezzlements. Until now, unfortunately, we have had a major disconnect with our local police force. One lieutenant even observed to me that one of his friends had made thousands of dollars from PIPS. What was wrong with it?

To which I submit you haven't put your friend in jail yet. He has probably confessed to a felony.

A similar problem emerges in Kells, Ireland. Apparently there, at least one cop has invested money in PIPS (is a victim, not a scammer), and the badge carriers are being slow reacting there, in part as consequence. Meanwhile, there have been numerous calls for vigilante justice.

Until recently it has been convenient for law enforcement to sit on its hindquarters and wait for someone to come and complain. Marsden's in Malaysia, the money's gone; nothing we can do. If there are complaints, we'll look into it. The recent $75,000 fines on the Cease & Desist orders is a positive and commendable development that has generated considerable news coverage in the state, but this action is largely a symbolic gesture. As the fines from other C&D's in other states pile up, the gesture will be more telling; but the plodding nature of law enforcement's effort makes a lot of that effort somewhat meaningless. The fox cleaned out the hen house and split a long time ago.

In a more tranquil time the nonchalant attitude of law enforcement toward this type of crime has a certain legitimacy. In a large city on any given weekend there is enough violent criminal activity to keep 1000 law enforcement types busy for a month, and there's three more weekends before the end of the month. It is not top priority stuff, and the law's limited resources usually get used for other things. Why should some fool's greed cost them money and time? By directing as much of this stuff as possible to the civil courts it becomes a profitable endeavor for the law, or at least for the legal profession, and, frankly, I see nothing illogical about creating a positive economy out of a negative one. Thus from the standpoint of traditional law enforcement efforts respective this type of crime the concerted efforts of state authorities against PIPS and the extensive statewide media coverage of those efforts is already in fact beyond the norm. Considerable credit is due, therefore, to Assistant Attorney General Ed Sniffen of the AG's office, to Mr. Quinten Warren of Alaska Banking & Securities, and to the District Attorney of the City of Anchorage whose name is not right handy (my apologies, sir). In the media the efforts of Paula Dobbyn of the Anchorage Daily News and the efforts of Lew Williams, Jr., retired former owner of the Ketchikan Daily News, have been notable. Public radio has consistently reported the news about PIPS, and there has been at least one television story on one of the Anchorage stations. (Sorry, folks, I don't live in Anchorage.)

In the case of PIPS to an extent such consideration is logical. There is no evidence to date that any of the scammers in PIPS, including the chief honchos in Malaysia (a Muslim country in substantial measure, I am told), are anything but the scamming selfish "cockroaches" that law enforcement assumes. PIPS, unfortunately, is just one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of these so-called High Yield Investment Programs (HYIPs) offered on the internet. They are all scams. Called High Yield Investment Frauds (HYIFs) by the Feds, they are an unregulated financial disaster. PIPS is probably the "Big Daddy" of these things, and, as such, should be used as a harsh example. The PIPs Ponzi and its multiple franchise spinoffs has conceivably gone through several hundred million real dollars, and I would estimate the Marsdens saw only a small part of the total take.

All of this nonsense is, of course, tied into identity theft and other major problems our contemporary society is experiencing, and thus its seriousness is compounded. In the case of PIPS it's the madness of the thing, the widespread nature of it, and the amount of money involved that requires a more serious response from law enforcement. The FBI has formed an entity called ECON that is designed to be more 'pro-active' in dealing with these scams. To be 'pro-active' is to stop them as they start, or to stop them before they start; and I do not think law enforcement has a clue how to do that. They can clean up after the fact, but to be 'pro-active' is in fact an undeveloped concept.

These HYIPs or HYIFs as things currently stand can clean out the henhouse for seven-, eight-, or even nine-figure money. Many are run from Muslim countries, a very convenient way for stupid Westerners to support Islamic terrorists. If it is not happening already, it will. HYIPs should be outlawed, period.

The greatest debt of gratitude for the rapid conclusion of the PIPS fiasco is owed to Mr. Owen Platt. He has endured a lot of grief in the course of this endeavor. His experience made a considerable difference in bringing together in a coordinated effort the work of several individuals who would otherwise have operated totally independently, and that I assure you made a world of difference. His exuberance was infectious, his tolerance generous. He pressed the right buttons. Buy the book.

My work on this project is now concluded.

David Hanger
Ketchikan, AK - USA

sisco50
August 23rd, 2005, 09:54 AM
Yes, only time will tell. Too bad some people have not the ability to wait and see but have to speculate at will. lol First four paragraphs of David Hanger's "PIPS: THE END GAME BEGINS" is a prime example of this speculation and spreading of misinformation. I seriously doubt that PIPS will recover from this last setback as PicPay was probably not legal in the way it was structured and operated. PicPay is the entity which is under investigation, not PIPS. BoN has no interest (jurisdiction) in PIPS. If PicPay can not be restructured than I believe that PIPS will be gone as well. Only time will tell, not misinformation by people with a personal agenda. :)

jokach
August 23rd, 2005, 09:03 PM
PicPay is the entity which is under investigation, not PIPS


Are you just speculating that its PicPay under investigation or do you know for a fact? I know that since PicPay was based in Malaysia, theres a good chance that its being taken through the ringer, but that may not be all they are looking for.

I'm just curious I guess ....

jokach

sisco50
August 23rd, 2005, 09:44 PM
Are you just speculating that its PicPay under investigation or do you know for a fact? I know that since PicPay was based in Malaysia, theres a good chance that its being taken through the ringer, but that may not be all they are looking for.

I'm just curious I guess ....

jokach

I am not speculating at this point in time. I hate the thought of being the person that spreads misinformation as there are far too many of those already.

The investigation of PicPay can eventually tie in to PIPS program because the same individual owns and operates both. BoN is only investigating PicPay. They have no jurisdiction over PIPS. They are not the Malaysian SE and PIPS is a Panamanian corporation anyway. If the BoN finds wrong doing with PicPay, it could possibly start a domino effect. They could very well pass data to the people with jurisdiction and interest in PIPS. This would not be unusual. Will this happen? Don't know and will not speculate. Only time will tell what will happen. :)

Pips believer
August 23rd, 2005, 11:15 PM
Post removed by moderator, please do not spam the same post to multiple threads. Since this post was identical to your post on the other thread I deleted it.

ycchen
August 24th, 2005, 12:32 AM
sisco50,

Since you like to claim to be objective (with no personal agenda) and have all the correct information while everyone else is spreading the misinformation, may I ask if you know why picpay is been investigated? If it is a wrongful accusation, we might need to urge Amnesty International to look into this "illegal investigation" immediately to prevent any torture to our honest business colleagues? :)

Here is the official page of Amnesty International, www.amnesty.org

Let me know if you need personal contact of the human rights lawyer in Malaysia or Amnesty International, I could probably help, just PM me. ;)

sisco50
August 24th, 2005, 08:12 AM
sisco50,

Since you like to claim to be objective (with no personal agenda) and have all the correct information while everyone else is spreading the misinformation, may I ask if you know why picpay is been investigated? If it is a wrongful accusation, we might need to urge Amnesty International to look into this "illegal investigation" immediately to prevent any torture to our honest business colleagues? :)

Here is the official page of Amnesty International, www.amnesty.org

Let me know if you need personal contact of the human rights lawyer in Malaysia or Amnesty International, I could probably help, just PM me. ;)

No thank you! I don't need any further info.

BTW Who said anything about a wrongful accusation of PicPay? Certainly not I as I do know why they are being investigated. :)

ycchen, maybe you can send your Malaysian contact to PicPay and sort this thing out for all the crazy people that spent more money than they could afford to lose? Wouldn't that be great? :)

Arzel
August 24th, 2005, 11:25 AM
ycchen, maybe you can send your Malaysian contact to PicPay and sort this thing out for all the crazy people that spent more money than they could afford to lose? Wouldn't that be great? :)

I wish people would stop blaming the victims of these things. For the most part people involved in these scams cannot afford to lose anything. The scammers play off the desperation of the victims, who are trying to get themselves out of debt, or pay for some other neccessity.

So please stop that condensending attitude. I suspect almost everyone at some point in their life has taken a gamble they could ill afford to lose.

sisco50
August 24th, 2005, 03:41 PM
I wish people would stop blaming the victims of these things. For the most part people involved in these scams cannot afford to lose anything. The scammers play off the desperation of the victims, who are trying to get themselves out of debt, or pay for some other neccessity.

So please stop that condensending attitude. I suspect almost everyone at some point in their life has taken a gamble they could ill afford to lose.

Well, you would be half right! I have taken many gambles over the years but have NEVER spent more money than I could afford or was willing to lose. I don't see the condensending attitude at all. What I do see are the real world facts about people and their money and have a problem in understanding the why. That is not about blaming victims at all.

Sorry about getting off track. Not meaning to hijack the thread. :(

Arzel
August 24th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Sisco50,

Read my other post, I basically answer the same question.

sunnyd
August 25th, 2005, 12:13 PM
There is certainly a 'nut' factor involved, but the more startling reality remains how many individuals all over the United States, all over Europe, and all over Australia, just to name a few places, decided to become in effect "franchised" scammers and began stealing from their friends and neighbors and pocketed all of the proceeds themselves. It is very possible that these individuals stole a lot more money than did the Marsdens.

The only way to make money from pips is to steal from others by "helping" them start accounts and "paying" with their picpay with money they "earned" from thier own investment.
These people are criminals- worse than Marsden- because they are stealing from friends, family, co-workers and then getting those people to get there acquaintances to join. I personally know people who got scammed this way and wish there was some way they could get these people to pay for what they did.

ycchen
August 25th, 2005, 12:51 PM
The only way to make money from pips is to steal from others by "helping" them start accounts and "paying" with their picpay with money they "earned" from thier own investment.
These people are criminals- worse than Marsden- because they are stealing from friends, family, co-workers and then getting those people to get there acquaintances to join. I personally know people who got scammed this way and wish there was some way they could get these people to pay for what they did.

Yet, for sisco50, it is not Marsden's fault. Marsden is just a honest businessman who borrows money from rational individuals (who of course lend their money to Marsden knowing the risk involve, and will not invest more than they can lose lol) and pay a 2% interest for every working day. Sure, what's wrong with this? lol sisco50, just my curiousity. Are you still pro-PIPS, or have you shifted to PIPS-neutral. :D

I actually begin to respect you for your continuous support of Marsden and PIPS! So, stick with pro-PIPS stand, okay?! If Marsden is lucky enough to escape jail time this time, I will remind him to put you in the front row seat when he starts another honest ponzi again. ;)

sisco50
August 25th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Yet, for sisco50, it is not Marsden's fault. Marsden is just a honest businessman who borrows money from rational individuals (who of course lend their money to Marsden knowing the risk involve, and will not invest more than they can lose lol) and pay a 2% interest for every working day. Sure, what's wrong with this? lol sisco50, just my curiousity. Are you still pro-PIPS, or have you shifted to PIPS-neutral. :D

I actually begin to respect you for your continuous support of Marsden and PIPS! So, stick with pro-PIPS stand, okay?! If Marsden is lucky enough to escape jail time this time, I will remind him to put you in the front row seat when he starts another honest ponzi again. ;)

If that is your sense of humor showing, it leaves a lot to be desired. :( Actually is looks more like your inner child than anything else. I have never been pro PIPS but I have stated what I found to be facts whenever I found them. I also tried my best to not speculate very often as there are plenty of people like you to do that for me. :) You truely are a piece of work! lol

tjoffen
August 25th, 2005, 10:37 PM
this is the latest update 23.08.2005

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I wanted to get this out to you quickly because so much speculation and
misinformation tends to keep floating around regarding PIPS in it's
current state. Some information says that Bryan and Sharon have been
arrested and is totally negative,, while others were putting out
information that they though PIPS would be back online and operating early
this week... and have a new payment platform ready to start and hundreds of
millions of dollars that they are about to have released to them to get
members paid... WRONG WRONG WRONG... people on both ends of the extreme
tend to be just that..... EXTREME... I just wanted to give everyone a
brief update.. and then again we hope for the best..plan for the
alternative.. and move forward knowing that if Bryan manages to pull PIPS
forward in one way, shape or form, it will still be in our group of
programs.. but we will have enhanced it with diversification and if the
worst happens.. we are moving forward and it becomes more of a
disappointing annoyance rather than a devastating blow.

Anyway..rather than saying that I have it from a knowledgeable source...
I will start with this .....Bryan Marsden called me last night. Yes that
is right and it was a surprise..but I got to speak with him for a while.
We had a reasonably good conversation and he gave me an update on where
everything stands and wanted members to know that he is working diligently
this week to see what he can do to get things done to preserve what can be
preserved and see if he can get a restructuring approved by Bank Negara so
that the enterprise can move forward in an altered form with the
permission of Bank Negara.

As I said. the conversation was a bit generalized but I anticipate being
able to speak with Bryan again this week to follow up and try to keep
informed on what is going on. This email will be general and later this
evening I will try to give a bit more specific information but that
information will need to be private and will therefore only be able to be
placed in the members area of the BreakThroughs site. However this email
and other follow ups WILL be enough to keep you pretty much up to date on
what I learn from Bryan if he continues contact with me.

OK.. General update... Again.. to be simple about it.. it is that my
updates of the 18th and 19th ( actually both the 18th I think) were on the
mark and a good summary of what the current status is. Here are some
other Facts as Bryan stated them

1. He has not been arrested . When I asked if he had been arrested. he
said "Well I bloody well couldn't be calling you right now if I had"

2. The servers have been taken...and PIPS and PicPay and PIPS AID are all
down... Negara wants to go through the records on the servers to see
if there in fact have been any violations or anything to validate
claims made in Letters to Bank Negara. Bryan was looking to meet with
them today and throughout the week to show cooperation with the
investigation and also to see if the servers could be put back online
during any investigation so that other areas of the business will not be
negatively impacted as PicPay and PIPS would be thoroughly gone through.
No new members taken and those areas staying down while Bryan could work
with Bank Negara to answer questions .. make sure they fully understand it
and then explore the restructuring that he would like to propose to see if
it could meet approval.

3. Some people were reporting that PIPS would be back online this week I
asked Bryan and he said that is highly unlikely. He would hope he got get
them to put servers back online this week but he will not venture what the
odds would be and said that we can't count on it.

4. He was terribly upset at the prospect that after speaking with me ..the
next thing he had to do was meet with the staff and furlough them until
further notice

We talked a bit about the various divisions and I asked him about the
restaurant development and real estate purchases etc about funds frozen
with processors and banks etc and in general terms that is still a
problem and as he saw it was still the primary problem that exists that
hampered getting payments to members. I also addressed the PicPay and
merchant problems that had caused some of this action and how just more
communication could have possibly prevented a good amount of this.. but
that was more conversational rather than a "tongue lashing" of any sort.
I would like to see something salvaged of this so a restructured business
could continue and provide benefit to the members.

5. Bryan hopes that in meeting with Bank Negara and answering questions
and educating them as to all the details of how funds were spent/invested,
the problems and challenges faced, the viable and profitable divisions
that have been built and how everything at present could be restructured
to satisfy the issues and solve the problems that had been Plaguing PIPS
that and do it all with the approval of Bank Negara. However there is no
telling at this point what will happen.

It is in Bank Negara's hands right now.. Bryan said it could take
weeks.. it could take months depending on how meetings go with them and
what they decide is their posture on what they desire the outcome to be.

So don't look for any quick solutions.. don't believe that there is a
payment platform ready to go .. with funds soon to be released.. ( Bryan
said that he doesn't know where that information or any of those figures
are coming from and that it is total misinformation)..

Bryan said that all that can really be said is that things are in Bank
Negara's hands right now and he is working diligently to resolve the
issues.. get the servers back online even if only to serve the related
businesses so that they their records and operating systems. and that he
will do everything in his power to work see if the enterprise can be
preserved.

It is my opinion that if a restructuring, compliant with Bank Negara and
requiring no further funding from members could be put in place, and that
Bryan is convinced he can do it.. under the supervision of Bank Negara I
would like to see him get a shot at it. As we know, that would probably
require the assistance of consultants, possibly new management etc.. all
things put in place to ensure compliance etc. Actually it is possible
that if members were to dash of a quick note to Bank Negara in support of
some bank supervised restructuring in the interest of members recovering
losses and and having some ongoing enterprise that is transparent and
compliant and can be structured to the benefit of all involved, perhaps
there is positive that could come from all this. Those who had real
problems got to write Bank Negara and rightfully so. but perhaps those
who support restructure should have voices heard with them too. Always
good to get both sides right?

I will see if I can provide the appropriate information later this
evening in the members area or more likely the FORUM of BreakThroughs
later this evening. Please don't write me and ask me for it as I have
been receiving hundreds and hundreds of emails lately and cannot respond
to any request if you do make one..

Now remember.. even if you choose to dash something off in support of
restructure or read this and get concerned.. do it and then GET OFF IT
and move to productive things.. IT IS WHAT IT IS and we have to
continue to diversify...

ycchen
August 25th, 2005, 11:43 PM
IT IS WHAT IT IS and we have to
continue to diversify...

Thanks for the update, tjoffen. Can anyone help us with anything concrete about PIPS's diversitying strategies? Buying more restaurants is not diversifying as far as I am concern. Diversifying in a real business sense is about getting more diverse outside revenues, and not rely entirely on the current one. (of cause, the current one is a ponzi, plus the income (or expense) from the bristo or fashion design ;))

I wonder which one if more real, or looks more real, the diversifying strategy of IT4US, YMMSS or PIPS? :rolleyes:

sisco50
August 26th, 2005, 01:06 AM
Thanks for the update, tjoffen. Can anyone help us with anything concrete about PIPS's diversitying strategies? Buying more restaurants is not diversifying as far as I am concern. Diversifying in a real business sense is about getting more diverse outside revenues, and not rely entirely on the current one. (of cause, the current one is a ponzi, plus the income (or expense) from the bristo or fashion design ;))

I wonder which one if more real, or looks more real, the diversifying strategy of IT4US, YMMSS or PIPS? :rolleyes:

Well... that's interesting material for sure. It would appear to be the exact same email I received a few days ago and the first portion of it has nothing to do with diversification in regards to PIPS. It is regarding a totally different entity altogether. But ofcourse you already knew that; right ycchen? lol

How about this for concrete? As far as I know, there are no diversification stratigies being discussed regarding PIPS. The only real issues at the moment are being handled by BoN and PicPay management. These issues are concerning possible restructuring in order to comply with regulations previously not adhered to.

Some speculation for those who might lean more in that direction. I believe that the startup businesses such as the bistro, fashion clothing and the kids bible series will at best just break even if managed properly. At worst, they will become a money pit and will not be counted on as streams of income.

tjoffen
August 26th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Referal info removed

Please do not post your referal info on this forum.

ycchen
August 26th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Well... that's interesting material for sure. It would appear to be the exact same email I received a few days ago and the first portion of it has nothing to do with diversification in regards to PIPS. It is regarding a totally different entity altogether. But ofcourse you already knew that; right ycchen? lol

How about this for concrete? As far as I know, there are no diversification stratigies being discussed regarding PIPS. The only real issues at the moment are being handled by BoN and PicPay management. These issues are concerning possible restructuring in order to comply with regulations previously not adhered to.

Some speculation for those who might lean more in that direction. I believe that the startup businesses such as the bistro, fashion clothing and the kids bible series will at best just break even if managed properly. At worst, they will become a money pit and will not be counted on as streams of income.

Why are you repeating something everyone knows already? What's new? ;)

sisco50
August 26th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Why are you repeating something everyone knows already? What's new? ;)


Opps, sorry! I forgot that you already know eveything about everything. My mistake. :) It is rather comical that you can repeat the same tired old crap forever with the excuse that it is for new people that come by the site but no one else can do that! Actually, it's not comical at all, but sad! :( Carry on and forget I even stopped by today. I can probably carry on a more intelligent conversation with a brick wall. :) Have a nice day! :)

tjoffen
August 26th, 2005, 01:15 PM
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Hi,

I spoke with healer Kathrine Gyldenrose the 31.august. I asked her some questions and she channeled the following from her spiritual guides.

"First, I asked if Bryan had full control of today's situation, that is as much as is possible to have under the current circumstances. She replied that Bryan does not have 100% control. He is probably calming both himself and us when he is telling us about the situation now. However, he is filled with optimism and believes that everything will go well. Bryan works for the good forces in the world and he is filled with idealism.

There is inertia in the system before break through and Bryan needs to keep the energy up until they can rise again.

There are negative forces that wish to destroy PIPS. They want to maintain control and do not wish to have a free flow of money. They are sowing fear and suspicion. It is important that these negative energies/negative persons do not influence us.

PIPS should break all contact with the Malaysian bank (when they have the opportunity to do so). There are some bad energies there.

It is important that we send light and good thoughts to Bryan and to PIPS and help them to maintain the energy. This is not the time to lie down and give up. On the contrary, PIPS has to get rid of some negative things now and Bryan does have some challenges he needs to face. However, everything will end well.

On a deeper level, it is light and darkness fighting now.

It is therefore so important that you show support and send good thought/energies to Bryan and PIPS. Imagine PIPS being shrouded by light. It will all end well. The main challenge for PIPS/Bryan right now is to have guts, meet the challenges and solve the problems." This is what Kathrine said.


MY OWN COMMENTS:
What Kathrine says above feels right to me.

PIPS is the only social investment company that I have ever met. For a very long time I have been looking for a financial self-help programme which can assist many people in solving their own financial problems. I should also like to do something about changing the power balance in the world. More money to more people, also to the little ones and not only to the big ones. I should also like others to have a financial opportunity to start their own business or to invest in other items they wish to have. I wish for people to be happy with their work without having to work so hard for financial reasons. PIPS is a good place to get capital and extra income.

We all know that right now there are people who wish to destroy PIPS. I believe it is important not to panic or have fear, but realise and understand that Bryan and PIPS have some real tough challenges ahead of them. They have to sort out the problems wit the authorities, the banks and individuals in addition to clear up the payment situation and probably establish a completely new bank. On top of that all the changes that must come because of the company's financial situation. Indeed, Bryan has plenty of issues to spend his time on.

My suggestion to you is therefore to join hands in our minds and send some heartfelt and good thoughts to PIPS and Bryan and pray for them to have strength and guts to do the job ahead of them, thus letting them understand that they have our support.

To those of you who knows anybody who may know Bryan or who may have any contact with him, send him our regards

Kind regards from Gunn Randi Eriksen, Norway

IamWezal
August 27th, 2005, 12:21 PM
x

IamWezal
August 27th, 2005, 12:21 PM
Well at least it was a dream. Too think that I could have made a difference in the world with the money I could have gotten and earned. That alone is enough to make me realize my closeness to God. I was going to start a foundation in my wife's honor who died of cancer at a young age. A foundation to help those that are terminal and their families and loved ones (paying for support, medical supplies, homes for the terminally ill that are poor and help their loved ones with the financial burden, etc). Not to mention other good things that would have come out of this foundation.
Though many will suffer now from the lack of my help, I will still try to help others and make this world a better palce. I may have to crawl now but at least I'm facing the right direction. And that's all God expects us to do. Our best at any speed.
Man, the world is going to miss a wonderful effort. The world loses too. What a bummer. Not for me but for everyone. :(

http://griefnet.org/memorials/1permanent/jan25-483515439.html

maouse
August 29th, 2005, 04:14 PM
Me? I was going to buy a planet. And move all the homeless there so they have a new place to live, eat, and be happy. Ah. But alas, Mr. Marsden was a lying British weasel. I guess the numbers don't lie after all...

-Marcel

sisco50
August 29th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Me? I was going to buy a planet. And move all the homeless there so they have a new place to live, eat, and be happy. Ah. But alas, Mr. Marsden was a lying British weasel. I guess the numbers don't lie after all...

-Marcel

Some might think you want to get rid of all the homeless by sending them off to another planet, but I know better. You just want to help them.

tjoffen
September 15th, 2005, 09:44 AM
From A Close Contact Of Ours At CIN:

This is a message from Keith, head of ICT at Pureinvestor:

1) Information from one of the executive staff at National Bank of Malaysia just clears that PIPS is free from scam, ponzi or fraud. They will be released as soon as reports of investigation will be sent to Finance Ministry.

2) All back logged payments must clear by Picpay before starting the operation again.

3) PICPAY are to be charged by National Bank of Malaysia because of not following LOFSA.

4) PICPAY will become PSK finance, registered in Vietnam.

4) Some of the PIPS website will be up again soon.

5) PSK Finance is in the process of being structured by Bryan.

Update: Also for those who don't know, Bryan has acquired the domain name www.pskfinance.com. Which means things are looking good in my opinion.

One point to mention is, the domain above has recently been registered. If this was a scam, why on earth would Bryan register it at this moment in time?

Thumbs Up!
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Arzel
September 15th, 2005, 10:07 AM
From A Close Contact Of Ours At CIN:

This is a message from Keith, head of ICT at Pureinvestor:

1) Information from one of the executive staff at National Bank of Malaysia just clears that PIPS is free from scam, ponzi or fraud. They will be released as soon as reports of investigation will be sent to Finance Ministry.

2) All back logged payments must clear by Picpay before starting the operation again.

3) PICPAY are to be charged by National Bank of Malaysia because of not following LOFSA.

4) PICPAY will become PSK finance, registered in Vietnam.

4) Some of the PIPS website will be up again soon.

5) PSK Finance is in the process of being structured by Bryan.

Update: Also for those who don't know, Bryan has acquired the domain name www.pskfinance.com. Which means things are looking good in my opinion.

One point to mention is, the domain above has recently been registered. If this was a scam, why on earth would Bryan register it at this moment in time?

Thumbs Up!
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Pure speculation, and that pskfinance link is dead. How can you say things are looking good? Or are you just trying to make things sound good for your own personal benefit?

dre77
September 15th, 2005, 10:46 AM
PIPS Has a trust in newzealand

I know a few members who have made alot of money with pips and they stand to make alot more very soon as pips is coming back to start paying members,

Bryan is the MAN no doubt about that,

PIPS LIVES!!! Get used to it

concerned
September 15th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Update: Also for those who don't know, Bryan has acquired the domain name www.pskfinance.com. Which means things are looking good in my opinion.

One point to mention is, the domain above has recently been registered. If this was a scam, why on earth would Bryan register it at this moment in time?


Registering a domain means things are looking good?????? Where do you get that from? Are you talking about how hard it is to get a domain? Cause last time I checked it only takes about 5 minutes. Maybe you are talking about the acquisition of the domain meaning things are looking good financially. Is that what you mean? Cause the last time I checked, you can register any domain name for $10.

SANDSTER
September 16th, 2005, 03:20 PM
From A Close Contact Of Ours At CIN:

This is a message from Keith, head of ICT at Pureinvestor:

1) Information from one of the executive staff at National Bank of Malaysia just clears that PIPS is free from scam, ponzi or fraud. They will be released as soon as reports of investigation will be sent to Finance Ministry.

2) All back logged payments must clear by Picpay before starting the operation again.

3) PICPAY are to be charged by National Bank of Malaysia because of not following LOFSA.

4) PICPAY will become PSK finance, registered in Vietnam.

4) Some of the PIPS website will be up again soon.

5) PSK Finance is in the process of being structured by Bryan.

Update: Also for those who don't know, Bryan has acquired the domain name www.pskfinance.com. Which means things are looking good in my opinion.

One point to mention is, the domain above has recently been registered. If this was a scam, why on earth would Bryan register it at this moment in time?

Thumbs Up!
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Corporate Investors Network

I heard about this website just this morning. I tried to get in but it won't let
me. :head: Anyone know why? :confused: Is it not up and running yet?
Please advise the Sandster.

SANDSTER
September 16th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Well, you would be half right! I have taken many gambles over the years but have NEVER spent more money than I could afford or was willing to lose. I don't see the condensending attitude at all. What I do see are the real world facts about people and their money and have a problem in understanding the why. That is not about blaming victims at all.

Sorry about getting off track. Not meaning to hijack the thread. :(


No.....not hijacking. It would be called Threadjacking is that is what you
were doing. But I don't think you were. I try to understand all the things
us humans do but I don't pretend to understand it at all. What I do know
is...............if I make a money mistake 1 time I make sure I don't do the
same mistake again. If I do,,,,,,,,,,,,then I'm a fool.
Sanster has commented. :crazy:

maouse
September 16th, 2005, 05:21 PM
From A Close Contact Of Ours At CIN:

This is a message from Keith, head of ICT at Pureinvestor:

1) Information from one of the executive staff at National Bank of Malaysia just clears that PIPS is free from scam, ponzi or fraud. They will be released as soon as reports of investigation will be sent to Finance Ministry.

2) All back logged payments must clear by Picpay before starting the operation again.

3) PICPAY are to be charged by National Bank of Malaysia because of not following LOFSA.

4) PICPAY will become PSK finance, registered in Vietnam.

4) Some of the PIPS website will be up again soon.

5) PSK Finance is in the process of being structured by Bryan.

Update: Also for those who don't know, Bryan has acquired the domain name www.pskfinance.com. Which means things are looking good in my opinion.

One point to mention is, the domain above has recently been registered. If this was a scam, why on earth would Bryan register it at this moment in time?

Thumbs Up!
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Question: If PIPS is legit, why is it needing to be totally scrapped and rebuilt?

Anyone?

Second question: Does the "soon" you mention in the second #4 above mean the same thing it meant in January of 2005 in regards to December Withdrawal requests from PicPay?

-Marcel

SANDSTER
September 19th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Question: If PIPS is legit, why is it needing to be totally scrapped and rebuilt?

Anyone?

Second question: Does the "soon" you mention in the second #4 above mean the same thing it meant in January of 2005 in regards to December Withdrawal requests from PicPay?

-Marcel

Here is the meaning of 'Soon' to PIPS. :weep:
January, we will be handling the transfers from November & December soon.
February, we will be handling the transfers from November, December and Jan soon.
March, we will be handling the transfers from November, December,January & February soon.
April, we are having a difficult time finding a banking organization that can handle the volumn of withdrawals.
Yeah?!?!?!? So what's their point? This went on until July. Then the site was down and the excuse was, we are upgrading our site, software, security, etc.
The site never came back. Hmmm! Someone has a big fish on the line. :crazy:
Sandster spoke again! :applause:

maouse
September 20th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Yeah?!?!?!? So what's their point? This went on until July. Then the site was down and the excuse was, we are upgrading our site, software, security, etc.
The site never came back. Hmmm! Someone has a big fish on the line. :crazy:
Sandster spoke again! :applause:

I mean, the most humorous part is that this guy can't even count to six correctly in his post. If that isn't classic PIPS style I don't know what is.

LOLROTFLMAO!

-Marcel

SANDSTER
September 21st, 2005, 01:03 PM
I mean, the most humorous part is that this guy can't even count to six correctly in his post. If that isn't classic PIPS style I don't know what is.

LOLROTFLMAO!

-Marcel

Oh wow! I didn't even notice that. That is way toooooooo funny!
I guess I would have more luck in Bow Hunting October 1st in Michigan
even if I don't get a deer, than I would to depend on what PIPS is going to do. Promises Promises!! :eek: LOL!
Sandster not holding breath...... :(

demitri22
July 28th, 2006, 06:46 AM
every thung on pips is from last year does no one have the true latest news i am thinking every thing will be good in the end

surfer
July 28th, 2006, 08:32 AM
every thung on pips is from last year does no one have the true latest news i am thinking every thing will be good in the end
Nothing really new that I've seen.

I'm not sure what you mean by
"every thing will be good in the
end".

Marsden was 9 months behind
in paying people when the scam
was shut down.

The only good thing will be if
he is sentenced to a nice long
jail term and as much money as
they can find is returned to his
victims.

sisco50
July 28th, 2006, 10:06 AM
every thung on pips is from last year does no one have the true latest news i am thinking every thing will be good in the end

The only lastest true news there has been lately is that Bank Nagara is still investigating. Not finished yet! In my opinion, the longer it takes the worse it is. Not likely to ever return in any form.

demitri22
July 30th, 2006, 10:33 AM
I just hope that the victims of PIPS could recover some of their loses...:( Again, some pipsters might still believe that PIPS is not a ponzi scam, and Bryan is a victim of wrongful investigation. Well, we will let the investigation speaks for itself.


has pips really been shut down ihave not seen any newspapper or any thing to say it was a scam from any goverment or court only that it under investigation when the investigations are over it could well be back so i am told by the people i gave my money to i only seem to see things about pips back in september 2005 has anyone got the latest the true latest or where could i get this information i am told pips will be back its not a scam it is just taking time for the investigation

mercinary
July 30th, 2006, 05:38 PM
has pips really been shut down ihave not seen any newspapper or any thing to say it was a scam from any goverment or court

We've seen over 500 matrix sites shut down...rarely anything from a government or court claiming they were scams. Often times, these scams go bankrupt (due to the impossible nature of the mathematics behind them). Once bankrupt, they dissappear!

-Merc

ycchen
July 31st, 2006, 12:17 AM
PIPS was a scam and it will not come back. Period.

BUT, Bryan Mardsen "might" come back with a new scam (not the same PIPS that is million dollars in debt) to feed his loyal fans.

demitri22
August 8th, 2006, 08:12 AM
We've seen over 500 matrix sites shut down...rarely anything from a government or court claiming they were scams. Often times, these scams go bankrupt (due to the impossible nature of the mathematics behind them). Once bankrupt, they dissappear!

-Merc
if pips is still been investigated we must see what the out come will be how do you know it is a scam or has the investigation finished and if so where is the report or where could we find out

ycchen
August 8th, 2006, 11:15 PM
if pips is still been investigated we must see what the out come will be how do you know it is a scam or has the investigation finished and if so where is the report or where could we find out Sure, you can rely on the investigation result to make up your own mind. ;)

demitri22
August 13th, 2006, 08:25 AM
as you seem to know so much please tell us what is happining or has everything gone and if not when will thing be back



thanks:nono:

surfer
August 13th, 2006, 08:51 AM
You're barking up the wrong tree
demitri22.

If you're so interested, why don't
you contact Bank Negara Malaysia (http://www.bnm.gov.my/)

The last info they posted was
February 22, 2006--Info on PIPS,
PureInvestor.com & related companies (http://www.bnm.gov.my/alert/pips.php)

All we know is that it was another
scam promising impossible ROI and
before it was shut down they were
9 months behind in their payments.

Bank Negara has had them shut
down and have been investigating
for nearly a year now.

What does your common sense tell
you is the likelihood that they'll be
back?

And as they were already 9 months
behind in payments when they were
shut down, how likely do think it is
that you will be paid even if PIPS
were to come back?

:head:

sisco50
August 13th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Nothing has changed lately. Bank Negara is still performing their investigation. There is nothing to indicate that pips will be back. I believe that pips will never be back and that BM will probably be charged under the money laundering act in Malaysia. That whole scenario was originally about picpay and never was about pips. It was just a case of the pips data being stored on the same server as the picpay data. A leased server at that. :) So much for a billion dollar company with a million dollar server. lol

demitri22
August 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM
as a close contact what is to days news not last years news

sisco50
August 18th, 2006, 08:33 AM
as a close contact what is to days news not last years news

Todays news is last years news. Nothing has changed since August of 2005.

sisco50
August 30th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Todays news is last years news. Nothing has changed since August of 2005.

Well maybe something has finally changed.

Nation
Wednesday August 30, 2006


Couple charged with money laundering

SEREMBAN: A couple was charged with 41 counts on money laundering involving more than RM26mil at the Session Court here in the first such case investigated by Bank Negara.

Bryan John Marsden - a 58-year-old British national - and his Malaysian wife Phan Sew Ken, 50, allegedly committed the offences by receiving money that were proceeds of unlawful activities in between Aug 12, 2003 and Jan 4, 2005.

The transactions, amounting to USD 7,020,887.25 (RM26, 679,371), were done through their company - New Mark Business Centres Sdn Bhd - account with EON Bank Group in Nilai, Negri Sembilan.

The couple were charged under Section 4 (1) of the Anti-Money Laundering Act 2001, which read together with Section 87 (1) of the same act, separately before Session Court judge Mohd Zaki Abd Wahab yesterday.

If convicted, they can be fined not more than RM5mil or a jail term of not more than five years or both.

They claimed trial to all charges.

Mohd Zaki set bail at RM500, 000 in two sureties for both of them separately. He also ordered them to surrender all their travel documents.

He fixed Sept 13 for mention.

mercinary
August 30th, 2006, 05:43 PM
Sounds worthy of front page news. Could you provide us a link to credit?

No mention is made of PIPS in the article. I haven't been following this thread very well....is "New Mark Business Centres Sdn Bhd" PIPS?

-Merc

sisco50
August 30th, 2006, 06:59 PM
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...020&sec=nation

It has always been about PicPay and the fact that it wasn't licensed properly with the authorities in Malaysia. The rest (pips) was on the same confiscated server and will probably be dealt with later on down the line. So much for a billion dollar company and their million dollar server which turns out was leased anyway. lol What a joke! :)

littleroundman
August 31st, 2006, 05:10 AM
Further news and pix:

http://www.utusan.com.my/pix/2006/0831/Utusan_Malaysia/Mahkamah/ma_01_big.jpg

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20060831083938/Article/local1_html

http://www.nst.com.my/Thursday/National/20060831083938/picture

http://www.utusan.com.my/pix/2006/0831/Utusan_Malaysia/Mahkamah/ma_01_big.jpg

sisco50
September 4th, 2006, 10:05 AM
ycchen,

Don't know why you included the below paragraph in a ymmss thread. Doesn't appear that they are getting away with anything at this point in time. :)

"PIPS ponzi will not fall without the collective action by the victims in filing complaint to the Bank Negara in Malaysia. Without collective action, Bryan and his wife will continue to manufacture "excuses"(fictional stories) until they can get away with all the scammed money safely."

demitri22
February 5th, 2007, 06:18 AM
anyone has the latest news on the court case with the marsdens the case was to be jan 4th o7 has pips finished now


thanks dimitri

sisco50
February 5th, 2007, 09:02 AM
anyone has the latest news on the court case with the marsdens the case was to be jan 4th o7 has pips finished now


thanks dimitri

Last I heard it was to be the 27th of January and that was just the beginning.

I may try to find out today if time permits and will report back here.

Death by shadow
February 24th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Fantastic article, it may verywell restore some hope in all off us. Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts. Hats off too you mate.........


Sincerely,

Shadow

demitri22
February 26th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Fantastic article, it may verywell restore some hope in all off us. Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts. Hats off too you mate.........


Sincerely,

Shadow

do you have any further information thanks dimitri

sisco50
February 26th, 2007, 09:16 AM
Doesn't appear to be anything new yet as the 27th is tomorrow. There may be something by then.