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[Dreamer]

Be expecting more posts here from YM members. More posts are getting edited and deleted and no reason given.

[Leonidas]

You are exactly right

L

[Dreamer]

If any YM members come here to post and dont want to get deleted there, you are safe here.

1. Choose a nickname that wont link you there.
2. Try not to submit any identifying details that would link you to your YM account.
3. If you want to say something, but still afraid, send me a private message and I'll post it under my name for you. I personally dont care if I agree with what you say or not, I just dont like censorship. Of course, I wont post things that goes against MW terms, which, for the most part, is personal info, and attacks against members.

Whether you are a supporter of ymmss or are starting to ask questions that they dont want you to ask, your welcome here.

[jokach]

I just want to second the notion that YMMSS members are safe here, regardless of what they tell you. If you follow what Dreamer has mentioned, there is no way to link you back to your YMMSS account. If you still have concerns or specific questions, you can also either PM me or send me an email at jokach@matrixwatch.org, and your voice will be heard.

There are many questions that need to be asked and brought forth, for the good of everybody, so please post your concerns. You have a voice here! :cool:

jokach

[Dreamer]

some reasons YM are giving for deleting posts is that they are not "supportive" and they are not "articulately worded"

[ymmss_victim]

i think it is pretty clear on the ymmss forums that you can say whatever you want even if it is against the TOU as long as it supports ymmss and/or attacks those who ask too many questions.

[AvidA]

If you cross them one time, the gestapo will follow you around the forums and delete everything you say no matter how relevant and/or polite it is. Let me say here: I would love to meet some of them in person.

The other day I kept a thread for Kim Inman's eyes (if he were to give a damn) so he could see how one guy called everyone "stupid, inane and ignorant...particularly a person who goes by the name dbmata. He was never deleted, pmed, edited nor was the thread. I was amazed when just a couple of days before, Esto threatened a woman. Ahh but if they KNOW you you're in.
If you're a newbie and err then you're a gonner! Let me say again..I would love to meet them in person. There would be hell and the devil to pay me.

[mercinary]

This is a trend we tend to see with scams. We have always heard the same complaints from matrix scheme victims in particular. When things get ugly, the forums of the scam site start being heavily censored in an attempt to "stop the bleeding" so to speak. If a scam is destined (mathematically) to fail, you can bet that no level of censorship will save the website forever!!!

-Merc

[ymmss_victim]

yeah, viper is one of the worst. i guess he picked the right name and avatar. he is a snake in the grass all right. :mad:

[concerned]

That is one of the tell tale signs that a site is a scam. It is funny, because it is the way negative comments are dealt with that help me make a decision about a company, or an ebayer. I like to look at the negative comments, and see how they were handled. If they have a few negative comments handled professionally, I side with them more than the person with "Great guy" in their feedback.

[AvidA]

If you cross them one time, the gestapo will follow you around the forums and delete everything you say no matter how relevant and/or polite it is. Let me say here: I would love to meet some of them in person.

The other day I kept a thread for Kim Inman's eyes (if he were to give a damn) so he could see how one guy called everyone "stupid, inane and ignorant...particularly a person who goes by the name dbmata. He was never deleted, pmed, edited nor was the thread. I was amazed when just a couple of days before, Esto threatened a woman. Ahh but if they KNOW you you're in.
If you're a newbie and err then you're a gonner! Let me say again..I would love to meet them in person. There would be hell and the devil to pay me.


A member being scared of the inquisitors asked me to post this for him:

Avida, you can meet them in person if you want, but I would not want to meet them in person. They are way too dangerous for me.

Now they are making whole threads disappear. The threads are not move to Archives, they are sent into oblivion never to be seen again, like the victims of Sadam's regime.

If they can vaporize a whole thread while a person is posting to it, think what can do to a person in the flesh.

If your posts are not WASP oriented, they are especially targeted

[bowmaker]

i have recieved a few threatening pm's in ymmss . one guy wanted to fight me . he told me it was two faced to be nice in ymmss then come over here and talk badly of ymmss . i told him to look through ymmss and read my post and then tell me if he still thinks im nice at ymmss.

[brenda]

i believe you. i hope you kept copies of the threatening pm's, if for nothing else - future reference. those people over there get very nasty when you rock their boats and say anything that interferes with their cherished beliefs.







i have recieved a few threatening pm's in ymmss . one guy wanted to fight me . he told me it was two faced to be nice in ymmss then come over here and talk badly of ymmss . i told him to look through ymmss and read my post and then tell me if he still thinks im nice at ymmss.

[mercinary]

That brings up a good point. For anyone who has received emails from YMMSS (regarding anything), save those away. Should lawyers (or a government agency) want some evidence, the more you all have saved away, the better off you are.

-Merc

[ymmss_victim]

looks like more and more people are getting unhappy and expressing it over there. pretty soon it will just be the mods posting ;)

[brenda]

I am more unhappy with the deletions than I am with not making money. Money is not always the most important thing, although when we don't have it, it is important. But squelching freedom of speech is, in my opinion, more evil and diabolical than "stealing" money. after all, money is just money.

[BTCohen]

I dont think freedom of speech is as free as it could be, as it is a private forum but it doesn't seem as bad as some of you make out.

I hear a lot of talk about wasp's from some of you. I am not a wasp but always get shown respect in the ymforum, on the occasions when I post. I am politely outspoken but do not get deleted. I think some of you need to learn to be 'free speakers' without being too confrontational and critical. Try being subtle.

I have also read bad report here about Viper. I just want to say that he is actually a really nice person and a very hard working one too and it is unfair to attack him. Actually in spite of everything, I have never had a problem with any of their mod's. Just my opinion.

[AvidA]

I hear a lot of talk about wasp's from some of you. I am not a wasp but always get shown respect in the ymforum, on the occasions when I post. I am politely outspoken but do not get deleted. I think some of you need to learn to be 'free speakers' without being too confrontational and critical. Try being subtle.


Nope. I disagree. I am not a WASP either but I have intelligently posted my concerns which were viewed as negative. I was deleted and hunted down and deleted for DAYS, sir. And I am telling you that I said NOTHING OUT OF LINE. I am just not well known or one of the "rat pack". Meanwhile, (and I have the threads) mgmtpro blatantly calls all of the people in the YMforum "stupid, inane and ignorant" and he was never deleted. Don't tell me there's not bias. Steve Rose threatened a woman. The post went undeleted for over two hours. Finally, because some men were irritated at that, Newbody1 first defended him as a "good man" and then said she edited it because of the "dissention IT was causing". Not Steve Rose...IT was causing dissentions. Sorry, but you're wrong. I wish you weren't but you just are.

[gypsy]

i have never had trouble in the forums, i have posted negativity, concern, confusion and many other posts...none deleted, none edited......i guess it all comes down to your manner....if you have a gripe with something your more likely to let go....and " Have a go "....smile
this could be seen as going against the tou.....and therefore deleted

i had one episode where i was really angry and i posted a not so nice post....it wasnt edited or deleted yet again......but i did get some supportive responses.....i read back over it and saw how bad my post would look to others......

now when i get angry....i wait for a bit....count to ten so to speak and then i post a constructive piece of writing.....i tell you what....that approach certainly gets you further than a nasty piece of writing.....

so i guess my advice if anyone cares to take it......(lets see how mature we all are)......is to be constructive in your writing...not destructive and see if that gets you a better response......smile

Gyp

[AvidA]

i have never had trouble in the forums, i have posted negativity, concern, confusion and many other posts...none deleted, none edited......i guess it all comes down to your manner....if you have a gripe with something your more likely to let go....and " Have a go "....smile
this could be seen as going against the tou.....and therefore deleted


Gyp

Nope. Again I have to disagree. Maybe you're one of the "rat pack". Maybe you're in the clique. I don't know but based on your comment the TOU is open to interpretation. I think that's just wrong. I think the TOU is just that and should be seen as the TOU, regardless of who is going against it...not just PERCEIVED to be going against it. As I stated before, Steve Rose is no different from anyone and being abusive is against the TOU. Now you tell me why YOU think he wasn't deleted?

[gypsy]

Nope. Again I have to disagree. Maybe you're one of the "rat pack". Maybe you're in the clique. I don't know but based on your comment the TOU is open to interpretation. I think that's just wrong. I think the TOU is just that and should be seen as the TOU, regardless of who is going against it...not just PERCEIVED to be going against it. As I stated before, Steve Rose is no different from anyone and being abusive is against the TOU. Now you tell me why YOU think he wasn't deleted?



lol...talk about closed minded......if im in the "Rat pack " as you say....geez ide be priviledged......lol

you know what if your that closed minded on this then i pity any associates you may have and i pity you that you cant see anything other than the nose on your face....no vision, no perspective of anything more than the doldrums.........enjoy life...... lol lol lol lol
oh and by the way......i think im way to new at internet working to be even asked to be part of the rat pack......

oh pity pity you

[gypsy]

oh i missed one bit......why wasnt steven deleted......

maybe because he has the respect of the mods....maybe because although you perceived him to be abusive, his manner was more like....constructive criticism....there is a difference between constructive and abusive....
besides how can i even comment on this....im speculating......

i have no idea what your talking about.......

what the CENSORED are you talking about


see......now there is nothing worth deleting/editing in my post cos i censored it myself

[bilim]

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Annie. I just deleted your post. I feel like saying, Wanna make something of it?

I also recommended that the thread you referred to be archived. In both cases the actions had nothing to do with suppression of discussion or unwillingness to discuss feasible options.

It was because the edginess I sense around this transition was degenerating into repetitive negativity and personal back and forth.

Edgy we all are perhaps. But mods have a job and do the best they can. Post away, but if what you want to post about is essentially a person complaint or a procedural issue with mods, then hit pm.

I am probably just as irritated by certain things ars you are. They just may not be the same things!

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Annie. I just deleted your post. I feel like saying, Wanna make something of it?

I think by saying you "feel like saying", you've actually said it. That's just rude, dude! Not to mention, you're threatening a girl. That's just plain cowardice.

How could anyone call this constructive?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

[brenda]

it all has to do with who your friends are. i am followed from forum to forum and deleted because i stick up for "certain" people whose posts get deleted; although something really funny is happening over there now. since they have been coming over here to spy on their members griping over here, they seem to let non-wasp conversations continue longer than before. :bow:




i have never had trouble in the forums, i have posted negativity, concern, confusion and many other posts...none deleted, none edited......i guess it all comes down to your manner....if you have a gripe with something your more likely to let go....and " Have a go "....smile
this could be seen as going against the tou.....and therefore deleted

i had one episode where i was really angry and i posted a not so nice post....it wasnt edited or deleted yet again......but i did get some supportive responses.....i read back over it and saw how bad my post would look to others......

now when i get angry....i wait for a bit....count to ten so to speak and then i post a constructive piece of writing.....i tell you what....that approach certainly gets you further than a nasty piece of writing.....

so i guess my advice if anyone cares to take it......(lets see how mature we all are)......is to be constructive in your writing...not destructive and see if that gets you a better response......smile

Gyp

[bowmaker]

gypsy reminds me of deborah19 in the ym forums . wouldnt doubt if thats who she is... same character.

[Gringo]

you know what if your that closed minded on this then i pity any associates you may have and i pity you that you cant see anything other than the nose on your face....no vision, no perspective of anything more than the doldrums

Please enlighten us all with your expanded "vision" and "perspective" on the following:
1. Why did Kim create a matrix that is mathmatically impossible to perpetually double everyones money, yet claim he could in fact do so?
2. How is it that Kim could not see the impossibility of doubling a pool of money every 90 days? Something that a 10 year old can understand.
3. Why did Kim promise to keep the cycle time at 90 days by putting in his reserve money, then as soon as it came time for him to actually do it, he suddenly decides it's not a good idea?
4. Why does Kim claim to have started the paid to read model, when in fact it's been around for years before YMMSS?
5. Why do you and Kim think a huge income stream will be generated from retail paid to read advertisers when this type of business model has never succeeded in the past?
6. If advertising in the forums is so effective why does a $10 EPC sell for less than 10 cents on the YMMSS auction?

[AvidA]

gypsy reminds me of deborah19 in the ym forums . wouldnt doubt if thats who she is... same character.

Is Deborah19 illiterate and foolish, too? lol

Yes, gypsy *snicker*..please enlighten us with the above by Gringo. You're sooo open minded. I am sure you have a full understanding. We're waiting on pins and needles to hear this. lol lol lol lol lol

[gypsy]

Sorry Avid....as per merc's instructions......i think all answers should be PMed.....after all i dont want to be kicked out.....

i am a person who abides by the rules......smile

[AvidA]

I think this is an answer better put out in the open, Gypsy. Everyone will want to hear your answer on this. Go ahead.

[AvidA]

Please enlighten us all with your expanded "vision" and "perspective" on the following:
1. Why did Kim create a matrix that is mathmatically impossible to perpetually double everyones money, yet claim he could in fact do so?
2. How is it that Kim could not see the impossibility of doubling a pool of money every 90 days? Something that a 10 year old can understand.
3. Why did Kim promise to keep the cycle time at 90 days by putting in his reserve money, then as soon as it came time for him to actually do it, he suddenly decides it's not a good idea?
4. Why does Kim claim to have started the paid to read model, when in fact it's been around for years before YMMSS?
5. Why do you and Kim think a huge income stream will be generated from retail paid to read advertisers when this type of business model has never succeeded in the past?
6. If advertising in the forums is so effective why does a $10 EPC sell for less than 10 cents on the YMMSS auction?

In case you forgot the questions I am posting them again.

[mercinary]

I agree with AvidA here. My intentions were to keep threads on topic and limit personal attacks in public. The points that Gringo bring up are valids points worth discussing in pubilc.

-Merc

[ycchen]

Just in case gypsy misses Gringo's questions in the previous page. Here you go again, gypsy. ;)

Please enlighten us all with your expanded "vision" and "perspective" on the following:
1. Why did Kim create a matrix that is mathmatically impossible to perpetually double everyones money, yet claim he could in fact do so?
2. How is it that Kim could not see the impossibility of doubling a pool of money every 90 days? Something that a 10 year old can understand.
3. Why did Kim promise to keep the cycle time at 90 days by putting in his reserve money, then as soon as it came time for him to actually do it, he suddenly decides it's not a good idea?
4. Why does Kim claim to have started the paid to read model, when in fact it's been around for years before YMMSS?
5. Why do you and Kim think a huge income stream will be generated from retail paid to read advertisers when this type of business model has never succeeded in the past?
6. If advertising in the forums is so effective why does a $10 EPC sell for less than 10 cents on the YMMSS auction?

[gypsy]

Cool then here are my answers.....but your not going to like them....smile....

but remember Merc gave the go ahead.......smile

Question

1. Am i Kim?....No....so how can i answer a question about why kim would do something...why dont you ask him

2.how can i answer why kim cant see something....ask Kim...he might have the answer

3.Again....ask Kim....how would i know why he makes promises

4.Again....another Kim question....please....ask ME something

5.Woohoo...ok this one asks me....lets see now......this is an internet advertising business......if you read fortune magazine you will see that internet advertising is the way of the future....more and more people are going to want to utilise the net for their advertising......now im not saying that YMMSS is going to be the greatest advertising concern on the net....but....and this is totally my opinion only and i dont want ANY of you putting down my opinion....you are entitled to your own opinion and i wont degrade it....so give me some respect here......my opinion is that YMMSS deserves a chance to make this work......yes people are interested in having a designated number of people who are guarenteed to read their ads in return for a fee to advertise.....how do i know this......i have spoken to businesses in my immediate area and many are very interested in the concept.......its now up to the sales team of YMMSS to follow up those leads and make the sale....which im sure they will get SOME positive responses.....you cant say its failed til it fails.....IM giving it a chance......so bowl me over if you will....it wont change the fact that IM giving it a chance......
As for the statement " this type of business model has never succeeded in the past?"....im not sure i can comment on this either....im not qualified to as i dont know of any other business model thats been set up as this one has....

6. As for the auctioning of EPC's ive never been to the auctions....ive never sold an EPC......i dont know why anyone would....after all if it only gets you 10 cents as you say.....what a waste of time and effort......i tell you what.......let me hold off on that answer....ill go to the auctions and have a look for myself and get back to you on that one.....smile

Now.....im all for answering questions that are directed to me......however be warned....if all i get in return is attacks and degrading comments......i wont repost again....thats not why im here......as soon as i came in here i was attacked......NAMED OFFENSIVE......then the poster says they didnt name call....yeah right......

Please keep your responding posts constructive otherwise dont say anything at all......i think thats fair....wouldnt you say Merc???

[surfer]

Here's a simple question for you gypsy.

How have your results been with your EPCs?

And what are you using them to advertise?
Products, services, opportunities, happy grams?

Very few mention any success with what YMMSS
claims its product is. From our YMMSS visitors
here, I only recall lettie giving any type of positive
results. And that was advertising health products.

[AvidA]

Gypsy, you came right in and WERE OFFENSIVE. You offended Bowmaker right off the get go. I didn't want you to get away with that one. :) Now let's get beyond that.

What if--just a supposition to YOU--we're right and you're hunch is wrong. I understand you giving YM a chance. Absolutely! But I feel that you're pro-YM and that being said, I am curious as to what action you will take if you find that this business DOES fail and your money is lost. What will you do? Will you just be really angry (and rightly so), or would you consider filing a law suit?

I am curious as to how many people would actually try to fight this thing.

[Gringo]

Gypsy:
You criticized people here for not having "vision" and "perspective" so I was hoping that you would be able to answer the simple questions that I posted since you have such a much greater "vision" and "perspective" than the rest of us. Guess I was wrong. To put it more simply for you:
1. Kim create a matrix that is mathmatically impossible to perpetually double everyones money, yet claim he could in fact do so. Please explain how you think is it possible to pertpetually double an amount of money without it eventually becoming larger than the sum of the total wealth of the entire planet.
2. Do you see that is impossible to double a pool of money every 90 days forever? Start with $10,000 in just 30 cycles it becomes over $5 trillion. Do you think that is realistic to promise to deliver $5 trillion to people?
3. Why do you believe in someone that promised to keep the cycle time at 90 days by putting in his reserve money, then as soon as it came time for him to actually do it, he suddenly decides it's not a good idea? Doesn't this look suspicious, self-serving and dishonest?
4. Kim claims to have started the paid to read model, when in fact it's been around for years before YMMSS. Do you believe him?
As for the statement " this type of business model has never succeeded in the past?"....im not sure i can comment on this either....im not qualified to as i dont know of any other business model thats been set up as this one has....
Then you need to expand your "vision" and "perspective" a little, and do some research. You will find that there are and have been many paid to read companies set up. None have attracted major advertisers. You can easily buy the scripts to set up and run these types of websites. This is old stuff.
As for the auctioning of EPC's ive never been to the auctions....ive never sold an EPC......i dont know why anyone would....after all if it only gets you 10 cents as you say Probably because 10 cents is better that nothing, which is what the value is of posting a classified ad that is only viewed by people that are paid to read it.
what a waste of time and effort Exactly. People are spending $10 for advertising that they could buy for 10 cents.

[brenda]

I advertised magazine subscriptions with my epcs and didnt sell any. i sell subs VERY cheap.

As far as what I am going to do, I am in the "wait and see" mode. I am certainly NOT going to buy any more EPCs. I have told all the people that I signed up to NOT buy any more EPCs, and they are all claiming via website. (trying to claim via website) But I do not believe that any of us will every get to claim via website. we cannot see behind the scenes, but i feel that what is happening is that YM is now controlling the payouts so they don't have to pay out Claim via Website, because when you CVW you get out $640 instead of $320, and they want that money to stay in the system.

BUT, in spite of it all, I am still waiting and hoping. Call me stupid, a fool, a moron, an idiot (you people from here at MW :) ) I am not in denial, I can see clearly what is happening, but I still hope. You know what they say, Hope Springs Eternal.

Maybe the $19,000,000 will come in, Maybe the retailers will advertise, Maybe we will make some money, maybe, maybe, maybe.........

I do not hate YM, all I hate is the nazi, taliban, waspy methods they use to shut us up.

[AvidA]

As far as what I am going to do, I am in the "wait and see" mode. I am certainly NOT going to buy any more EPCs. I have told all the people that I signed up to NOT buy any more EPCs, and they are all claiming via website. (trying to claim via website) But I do not believe that any of us will every get to claim via website. we cannot see behind the scenes, but i feel that what is happening is that YM is now controlling the payouts so they don't have to pay out Claim via Website, because when you CVW you get out $640 instead of $320, and they want that money to stay in the system.
I do not hate YM, all I hate is the nazi, taliban, waspy methods they use to shut us up.
You got that skippy! :shake:

[ycchen]

brenda, thanks for sharing. I don't think any real MW members would insult a victim of a scam.

Our enermies are speculators/opportunists, promoters, recruiters, and owners. These are people who exploit or run illegal ponzi scams in the expences of misinformed or less informed newbies. Ideally, they should all be sued together with the owners. Well, unfortunately, our law is far from ideal at this point. :(

This is what I think many -- YM analysts or YM critics (or ex-members) -- are trying to do here at YMMSS subforum.

1) To warn newbies of riskfree donation to YM at this stage

2) To convince YM members to not reinvest a dime in this dead illegal ponzi (I am glad that you are not investing anymore! That's a good begining) through explosing the lies of Kim Iman and his gangs, and mathematical imperative of the YM ponzi to crash to the ground.

Trust me, YMMSS had already fallen on the ground for a long while! What Kim is doing with STA is to wrap the original dead doubler-ponzi into another fake advertisement scheme. The purpose is never about generating extra income, but to divert your attention away from the the lies and ponzi -nature of YM. To certain extend, Kim, Esto and the gangs have already successfully convert many YMers anger and confusion into another round of "hope" and "wait and see". If Kim can at least convince most people to "wait and see", he has already succeed.

3) To convince victims (those who has decided not to "wait and see") to take all the possible ways to fight back. (i) get refund; (ii) file complaints to authories; (iii) file classlawsuit against Kim and his gangs.

In the meantime, please stick around and keep the conversation going. We are here for all YM members and victims, (well, may be not including those hopeless diehard supporters. ;) )

[brenda]

thank you, i will stick around and and "keep the conversation going". I know that others are seeing the light. I have ragged enough about them being nazis and wasps, but the FUNNY thing about it is, now that I have shut up, another member at YM likened them to the "Taliban" this morning. :D :D I havent checked in the last few minutes to see if that one got deleted. I think they are scared to delete us any more, so they just sit there and hope we will go away... we may go into the catacombs, but we wont go away :)

[BTCohen]

Brenda, you really do go on a lot about wasps.

W.hite
A.nglo
S.axon
P.rotestants

Brenda, I am an adopted Hebrew with fair hair! If anyone should have a chip on their shoulder about nazi's and wasps it should be someone like me. And I do not.

Are you referring to Viper as a wasp? Have you seen his pictures. - He is half Asian. No wasp there.

A few other mod's are catholics and at least one is jewish. Some of the mod's are irreligious.

Please stop infecting all the good work and research going on here with this wasp talk which is not true and really adds nothing to the thread.

I dont wish to offend you but your angst is turning into bitterness.

I do like your avatar though - perhaps a little heavy on the eyeshadow though.