MatrixCom Closes due to attack?

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by uwantme
[B]
Now anyone can easily look up the police reports to see if this is true but I fully believe it is. The world is full of horrible people and they arent all matrix site owners as you like to think... I mean just think about it what if that woman had been killed ...?

I am calling upon the matrix community to show me verifyable evidence of this story. If it cannot be proven true, and this site owner is fabricating this story to cover her site's closure, then it casts a dark shadow upon the matrix owners. If it is true, then I feel horrible for the owner. I have seen a few things in the story that caused me to question the who issue though.

I want to know what city and state this incident took place in, because I would like to personally speak with the police department and press reporters. I am not saying that the story is completely false, but I am not willing to buy into it without evidence. Please provide me with this information soon.

[northstar5757]

I do agree/ I am VERY skeptical abotu the story (I have already posted abotu the various inconsistencies in another thread) but it is unlikely that the police will speak to you. In most states dicussion the case or showing you the police report is illegal. Unless you have a connection at www.thesmokinggun.com good luck.

[concerned]

Originally posted by northstar5757
I do agree/ I am VERY skeptical abotu the story (I have already posted abotu the various inconsistencies in another thread) but it is unlikely that the police will speak to you. In most states dicussion the case or showing you the police report is illegal. Unless you have a connection at www.thesmokinggun.com good luck.

Arrest records are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. Anybody can go and get that information. Besides, watchdog is a lawyer. If the police cannot talk to a lawyer about a case, then who do they talk to?

[uwantme]

I wasnt aware watchdog was a lawyer? if so why did he hire his own?... and police records are not public information when junveniles are invovled as with this case....

Anyway I have had several emailed conversations with the owner, and I do not post all of her responses on here, because to be honest not all of it is public business. However with the full detailed accountings I have got along with court dates etc.. I do not think she is lying. Everyone keeps saying shes doing it so she doesnt have to pay back her members but what most of you seem to be missing is that she has already paid back most of her members. She clearly states that all the high investors have already had their money refunded and she has already started working on the smaller investors. I have yet to see any of the members from her site saying this is untrue and she isnt providing refunds.

Now if she is already provided most of her members refunds and is still working on the rest why purpose does she have to make up this story? I mean its quite an elaborate story just to sit down and make up and if she was doing it for sympathy there are a million other accuses that work just as well. Death in the family, car accident, etc.... I also saw someone say she did it for sympathy so there wouldnt be as many chargebacks, refunds, etc.. but once again she has already provided refunds, and chargebacks do not come out of her pocket, it comes from the payment processors or credit card companies. So she is not really losing to much out of her own pockets on chargebacks....

On top of that she didnt go around posting this story everywhere. Which I would have done if I wanted sympathy. She made one post about it, stated what her next course of action was, and went about her business. At least she told her customers what was going on and what to expect concerning refunds etc... Most site owners do not even give that.. Also her email for the site is still working and she answers those emails because that is how I got in touch with her.....

No one is going to post her city and state here, because they will not find it. What part of she wants to keep her information private do you not understand? Its called respect and I respect her enough even without her site closing not to post information she has specifically requested kept private....

I have also saw many other people make comments on the stories validity with comments like these"

in her first statement she doesnt mention a gun, then she says they have a gun- look shes changing her story"

In her first post all she stated was that she was attacked. She didnt give any details about the situation. Only when I emailed her and asked for the specifics did she tell me a gun was invovled. So her story never changed just the details where given about the situation.

I also saw someone post something about how she said she doesnt live around anyone yet she called her friend down the road. Well lets think about this....

My parents live on several acres of property in the country. No in is around. I mean if you wanted to run through their yard butt naked no one would see you... But she does have nieghbors who live about 1/2 mile down the road. I consider this not anyone living close to my parents but obviouly their neighbor lives down the road...

If you want to try to disprove the story do it with facts not soeculations. And until the time it is disproven I think we should treat it as if it happened and everyone be a little more careful of their actions and posts.

Watchdog if you really want to know more about it why dont you email the woman and ask her and tell her why you want to know and what you plab on doing with the information. Then you talk to her and see for yourself her reposnses and if she wants to share the info with you. I will send you her email she is using for her website inquiries in a PM if you want it.........

[matrixfriendly]

Originally posted by concerned
Arrest records are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. Anybody can go and get that information. Besides, watchdog is a lawyer. If the police cannot talk to a lawyer about a case, then who do they talk to?

This is kinda like the statement "so now theres a gun involved". So now watchdog is a lawyer.LOL. If this was the case he would have just represented himself seeing it is so cut and dried.

[northstar5757]

I know in several states police reports are not open to the public.

[northstar5757]

Actually I should say some are not open to the public. I know some are but not sure which one's. In cases of harassment I'd be skeptical.

[MatrixWatch]

I just wanted to clarify... When we talk about Matrixcom, are we are talking about Matrixcomkits.com? Same thing, right?

[MatrixWatch]

Here is how the owner's letter ends. I think the whole thing is very fishy, and I am still waiting for someone to get to the bottom of it.


That's the reason MatrixCom is gone. I will not put my babies in jeopardy again. It's my fault that they are afraid to go outside now. Isn't that punishment enough? Put yourself in my shoes. Would you want your children to have to suffer from a mistake you made?

To the 2 men who made their visit to me and my children, I hope you are satisfied with your revenge. You are evil men.

As I stated in the first paragraph, I have refunded all big spenders who haven't received a gift. Next, I will start with the smaller spenders, and then last the ones who have received a gift but were waiting for more.
It may take a long time before I get everyone refunded, as it's not coming from anywhere but my own pockets. But at least I'm willing to try. I still have the lists in a database that I am using.


uwantme, please have this owner come here and give us some more details. I think a major string of the Matrix Industry's credibility hangs on whether or not this story is true.

[Agent|Star]

I dont understand why any proof should be given to you or anyone here... What good does it do her or you?

[uwantme]

Originally posted by watchdog

uwantme, please have this owner come here and give us some more details. I think a major string of the Matrix Industry's credibility hangs on whether or not this story is true.

Actually I have talked with the site owner about this she doesnt want to come here. She has read you board and has seen yours and others attitude about her and her private information. To be honest I agree with her. Sometimes talking to you people is like banging your head against the wall. Once you think you are right about something no matter how much proof you have you are unwilling to change your mind. Why should that poor woman come here so everyone can harass her, call her a liar, and pick apart every statement she makes hoping they can "catch" her in a lie. And if she still doesnt show you enough "proof" all of that extra stress and harassment she would have to endure would basically be for nothing. Why would a major string of matrixes cedibility be dependent upon it? Thats kind of dramatic dont you think. No ones creditbility is based upon it. As long as she is and has given out refunds like she claims and have yet to hear otherwise no ones creditbility is in jeopardy and her members have nothing to worry about....

[MrBill]

Whether the story is true or not takes a back seat to the basic truth that running a matrix site has an inherent danger-risk factor, just as dope-dealing, loan-sharking and punchboard lotteries do; namely, that the losers on occasion don't quietly go away. Feeling badly for Zita is a waste of time. You shouldn't feel badly when a crack dealer gets shot for trying to sell in another crack dealer's territory, it's simply part of the risk/reward system for that way of making money.

[FightingBack]

I'm wondering, what is the link for this site? Is there something still posted, or is the site totally down? I have been trying to access it just to see what it is now, but can't find it.

[MaxPower]

Exactly Mr. Bill...

I don't even believe the story is true. It's kind of funny that it came out as the excuse for the site closing. Refunding some customers is not enough. All need to be refunded.

And has anyone heard from any of these "refunded" customers?

Maybe she should be added to the lawsuit in an effort to get the people the refunds that they deserve. There is no excuse that justifies ripping someone off.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by MaxPower
Exactly Mr. Bill...

I don't even believe the story is true. It's kind of funny that it came out as the excuse for the site closing. Refunding some customers is not enough. All need to be refunded.

And has anyone heard from any of these "refunded" customers?

Maybe she should be added to the lawsuit in an effort to get the people the refunds that they deserve. There is no excuse that justifies ripping someone off.

You know its hard for me to write this post and stay respectful to other members.. But..

You want these sites to close and when they do, you complain about it.. Then the sites that do close and issue refunds, you complain about that..

It's kind of funny that it came out as the excuse for the site closing well it seems like a good reason to me to close the site. What difference does it make that they closed the site as long as they closed it? Isnt that what you want for all these sites to close?

Refunding some customers is not enough. All need to be refunded. You know maybe if you took the time to read all of my posts you will see that us what she is doing. She has already refunded all of her high investors and SHE IS STILL refunding the lower investers now as she gets the money to do it. If she doesnt have the money right away to refund some of the customer adding her to the lawsuit isnt going to accomplish anything. You cant get blood from a potato. Also what you seem to forget is that SHE HAS NOT stopped refunding her customers. She is refunding all that is left, she continuously gives refunds as she gets in money.

And has anyone heard from any of these "refunded" customers?

Has anyone heard any complaints from her non-refunded customers? Please your just looking for trouble.

There is no excuse that justifies ripping someone off. You know if you read the reason she started the site in the first place you would know she wasnt trying to rip people off. Many site owners start their own sites after getting frustrated because they arent cycling on other sites and they think they can do a better system to cycle everyone. Not all start sites with the intent just to rip people off. In fact like I have said before nothing justifies illegal activities. Matrix sites have not been proven illegal so you cannot say she deserved it. What those men did to her is illegal and no action justifies that. You guys on this forum are all upset because you "think" or "feel" matrux sites are illegal and you want some kind of vigilante justice. However when something happens like these attacks that is illegal you guys all snub it or approve it.. Does that make any sense? No its being hypocritical.

and this comment "You shouldn't feel badly when a crack dealer gets shot for trying to sell in another crack dealer's territory" is totally irrelevent and just plain dumb to make. Owning a matrix site(something that hasnt been proven illegal) and selling crack are to totally different things. Regardless of that you should still feel bad for someone who gets shot. Taking your own justice is not the way to go reardless if what they are doing is illegal. If they are practicing illegal activities it doesnt make it okay for you to practice illegal activities against them.

[concerned]

Originally posted by uwantme
What those men did to her is illegal and no action justifies that.

Let's just say for arguments sake that there wasn't a law written about beating up people YET. Would you then defend the people that beat her up because there isn't a law against it? Most laws are written to protect others AFTER the bad thing happened. I'm sure that the law about beating up other people WASN'T written before there were people on this earth. I'm sure that someone got beat up one time, and then somebody said that it WASN'T right for that to happen, and therefor the law was written.

All I am saying here, is according to your LOGIC, if there wasn't a law written that said SPECIFICALLY, beating up another person is against the law, then you would side with the two guys in this case.

[uwantme]

No if there was no law against it, I probably wouldnt side at all, or even have brought it up for that matter. Or I would follow my own beliefs of what is right or wrong and go with that. But it doesnt matter because there is a law and that make sit wrong to do regardless.

[MaxPower]

Whoa Uwantme...

When did anyone say that they felt it was justifiable to attack a matrix site owner... Are you trying to lie and twist peoples words again? If you feel that you cannot state your point well enough then do not attack people's character!

[concerned]

Originally posted by MaxPower
Whoa Uwantme...

When did anyone say that they felt it was justifiable to attack a matrix site owner... Are you trying to lie and twist peoples words again? If you feel that you cannot state your point well enough then do not attack people's character!

Actually, I was trying to make a point, which uwantme illustrated so well. She stated that if there wasn't a law in the books, then she would not have taken sides, or would have followed her beliefs as to what was right or wrong. I guess her beliefs are that it is OK for people to get scammed out of their money. If that ISN'T the case, then she would see that running a pyramid scheme such as the matrix sites would be wrong, even though there isn't a LAW that specifically says the word MATRIX in it, even though there ARE laws against these scams.

[uwantme]

First off I didnt attack anyones character and I would like for you to show me where I did.. and here is what the main part of my post was replying to:


Feeling badly for Zita is a waste of time. You shouldn't feel badly when a crack dealer gets shot for trying to sell in another crack dealer's territory

I also think I have made my point very clear very often without attacking anoyones character. In fact you keep attacking me by saying I attack other peoples character but the funny thing is you are the only one who says that and I have challanged everyone several times to find all these posts of mine where I attcked other members characters etc, and no one has yet to show me any...

[uwantme]

Originally posted by concerned
Actually, I was trying to make a point, which uwantme illustrated so well. She stated that if there wasn't a law in the books, then she would not have taken sides, or would have followed her beliefs as to what was right or wrong. I guess her beliefs are that it is OK for people to get scammed out of their money. If that ISN'T the case, then she would see that running a pyramid scheme such as the matrix sites would be wrong, even though there isn't a LAW that specifically says the word MATRIX in it, even though there ARE laws against these scams.


You know how many times do I have to say this. I need to find a wall and bang my head against it..aarrgghhh....

I am not a matrix lover, I see good points and bad points to them. I have stated a million times that my problems with matrixes are:

1. endless lists
2. they do not offer tangible products
3. they do not offer refunds.

I know a few matrix sites that operate without 1-3 above and I do like those matrix sites. Whose legality is deffinately more debatible then most matrix sites. In fact I dont think they are illegal at all, because there are no endless lists(so no ponzi scheme) They offer tangible products( so members would still purchase these products without the free gift invovled) and they provide refunds( jusy a good thing to offer in business ethics) So the sites I deal with are not your typical sites and like I said would be hard to prove they are illegal. I have always stated their are good matrix sites and bad matrix sites. I have also said that this site should focus on going after the bad sites, instead of all of them. Beside that I am not defending the fact that she was a matrix site owner. It doesnt matter who she was she doesnt deserve what happened to her. And just becuase she was a site owner has nothing to do over my opinion on the mens actions to her. I also think that running a matrix site and beating someone up is two different things and would have to different sets of beliefs for them.

[mjkski]

Okay Uwantme- Real simple- if she did not want people to question her story, then she should have never posted it. I know she didn't post it here, but she still put it out there. If you don't want the public skepticism- then don’t make it public

See most people are like TCB-who recently defended himself and posted his financial info to issues that Watchdog questioned. To me, my good name is everything. I would guess most people place a high value to their name and they do not want to be known as a liar, scammer or cheater to their friends, family and customers. So why does she not value this?

And yes- if she lives in Arizona- the information is public record.

Uwantme- I work with fraud every day. It is my job to gather facts on a story and try to determine if it is creditable. I meet with people at their homes and they look at me and tell me their "true" story. Then I just check out some of the so-called facts that they provided and -wow- what do you know- they lied to me on a taped statement.

This whole gun or weapon business does still puzzle me. The reason I am suspect is because I have been threatened with weapons in the past and spoke with people who have been threatened with weapons. I think most people would not leave a detail of that magnitude out of their story. Usually that would be the first thing they would say. Trust me Uwantme- if I brandished a weapon in a threatening way against you or your family, you would not forget that and leave it out of your story.

One question I have for Uwantme. Its really seems to me that "Zita" is only willing to communicate with you and nobody else. So why are you her ambassador? It seems like to me that you know her on a more personal level then just exchanging emails with her. Why does she have so much trust with you? Waz up with that?

[MatrixWatch]

They are hoping that by delaying an answer we will drop the subject. It is a shame though that the customers have not been up and arms about this. She plans to refund the big spenders first, and then go down the line. With the costs that a matrix site must cover for cycle gifts, I do not believe that "Zita" will have the money after the "middle-class" investors are refunded. The trickle down refund plan she has is a stall technique to keep the people from complaining. She probably wants to extend the refund period out as long as she can in order to prevent the possibility of refunds through the pay companies, which in my view is the safest place for the customer's money to be accessed from. Once 30-60 days have passed, those customers will be out of their money unless they file a lawsuit.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by mjkski

One question I have for Uwantme. Its really seems to me that "Zita" is only willing to communicate with you and nobody else. So why are you her ambassador? It seems like to me that you know her on a more personal level then just exchanging emails with her. Why does she have so much trust with you? Waz up with that?

If you got an returned email saying it was an unknown address then you emailed the wrong address. To contact her you need to use the hotmail address listed on the other board. Why is she willing to talk to me? Well I know she reads this forum as well as others and I told her who I was and my userid in my first email to her. She is probably willing to talk to me because she sees how I act, what position I take in this whole matrix discussion, and probably because I have never said anything bad about her or questioned the truth about her story. When you insult and put people down on public forums where they can read it, it doesnt make them want to tal to you or be your friend. I wouldnt talk to you either if it was me in her place, and if I did you wouldnt like my response trust me.....

[uwantme]

Originally posted by watchdog
They are hoping that by delaying an answer we will drop the subject. It is a shame though that the customers have not been up and arms about this. She plans to refund the big spenders first, and then go down the line. With the costs that a matrix site must cover for cycle gifts, I do not believe that "Zita" will have the money after the "middle-class" investors are refunded. The trickle down refund plan she has is a stall technique to keep the people from complaining. She probably wants to extend the refund period out as long as she can in order to prevent the possibility of refunds through the pay companies, which in my view is the safest place for the customer's money to be accessed from. Once 30-60 days have passed, those customers will be out of their money unless they file a lawsuit.

One more time and I will say it slowly:

" She plans to refund the big spenders first, and then go down the line."

SHE HAS ALREADY REFUNDED THE BIG SPENDERS!!! Now she is moving on to refunding the smaller spenders... Please get that right for once Im tired of saying it... And as of yet I havent heard any complaints from any of her member about not recieving their refunds or the amount of time it is taking to get their refunds. You know not all site owners are bad, and unless you can prove she is not paying out the refunds as she says- QUIT SAYING SHE ISNT DOING IT!

[MaxPower]

No... not all site owners are bad...

But what about the people who suspect that they are "big spenders" that have not recieved their refund? I've only seen a couple thus far, but it will probably get larger. One of these un-refunded people said that they spent $2000. Maybe there are alot of higher spenders? But I would guess that $2000 is one of the highest.

[mjkski]

LOL- why wouldn't you want to talk with me? It's because I am a donkey isn't it???LOL. At least I don't owe anyone thousands of dollars- well other then a few creditors for my car and home! I never called her a liar, I never said anything other then I have my doubts and why don't you prove your story. I can't help it if that offends her. I guess some people don't like being held accountable and questioned.

And again- Zita- if you are reading this post- if this did happen to you, I hope the two losers get everything they deserve.

So why did I see posts on other boards about people trying to get their money back and she was not letting them get it through the pay-processor? One person said they tried "But she claimed client fraud". I don't know if that was ever solved though.

She should of sent all her customers an email with her story and promising and telling them ways to get their refund.

[mjkski]

Here is some of the happy customers

From: Spirit-of-Victory Sent: 7/28/2003 9:03 PM
It disappoints me that Zita would do this...I would have never ever expected this out of her...not even a post to explain. I had gone onto her new cash lists to help the site move again, and to hopefully make a little cash. Totslly out the window cause Payrequest will not give refunds...Oh well

: travispeak Sent: 7/24/2003 8:16 PM
I won the March Madness pool and didn't receive my prize either.....


Dragonfly Sent: 7/23/2003 7:24 AM
I was an assistant manager of the FORUM. The first I heard about it not being there was when Rocco posted. I was not given any advance notice, and neither was I given a refund. My emails were returned just like everyone else.

Jacks Sent: 8/13/2003 6:11 AM
what does a big spender mwans for you?? because i spent 2000$ in your web site i never get refunded. and you never ask any of my emails. i am very sad about what happened to you zita but you could take time to answer people who trusted in you enough to put many thousands dollars in your hand!!!

[concerned]

Originally posted by mjkski
Here is some of the happy customers


Dragonfly Sent: 7/23/2003 7:24 AM
I was an assistant manager of the FORUM. The first I heard about it not being there was when Rocco posted. I was not given any advance notice, and neither was I given a refund. My emails were returned just like everyone else.

Was he an assistant manager of HER forum? Boy, if you don't even tell your assistant manager about the attack, then how can you even claim that the story is true. I have found this to be the case with several matrix owners. The only one I have seen so far that hasn't lied about his info was tcb1969a.

I found information that Adrianna of applematrix.us is really Prince instead. You can read that post to find more information about the lie.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=4193#post4193

[northstar5757]

She already refunded the big spenders? Guess a couple grand doesn't count then as a bid spender. Wow people must really be investing a lot of money into these things....