PIPS People in Profit System - Consumer Movement?

[mercinary]

I need to get an idea of how many people would be interested in starting a new consumer movement for PIPs victims. For those of you not familiar with how these work, see our main menu link titled Get Justice! (http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=15)

The main idea is getting lots of vicitms together, who then file complaints with major government agencies. When everyone acts as a group, notice gets taken by government groups, who are in a position to help the victims of PIPs!

Vote now so I know what the level of interest is.

-Merc

[SANDSTER]

I need to get an idea of how many people would be interested in starting a new consumer movement for PIPs victims. For those of you not familiar with how these work, see our main menu link titled Get Justice! (http://www.matrixwatch.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=15)

The main idea is getting lots of vicitms together, who then file complaints with major government agencies. When everyone acts as a group, notice gets taken by government groups, who are in a position to help the victims of PIPs!

Vote now so I know what the level of interest is.

-Merc

How do you mean they help PIPS Victims. How so? Can you give an example please? :confused:
Thanks for your help
Sandster

[mercinary]

Government agencies can take various actions against fraud. For instance, if 100 customers all wrote to the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC might launch an investigation, from which a criminal or civil lawsuit could arise.

-Merc

[sisco50]

Government agencies can take various actions against fraud. For instance, if 100 customers all wrote to the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC might launch an investigation, from which a criminal or civil lawsuit could arise.

-Merc

Totally understand the concept, Merc. :) But what exactly can people from the USA expect of the FTC when dealing with fraud in another counrty? Will they send their top man to Malaysia and straighten out this mess? The only people that have jurisdiction in Malaysia are the ones investigating this program now. Where does the Federal Trade Commision fit in there?

[SANDSTER]

Totally understand the concept, Merc. :) But what exactly can people from the USA expect of the FTC when dealing with fraud in another counrty? Will they send their top man to Malaysia and straighten out this mess? The only people that have jurisdiction in Malaysia are the ones investigating this program now. Where does the Federal Trade Commision fit in there?

My understanding was, the states that filed the complaints only did it because the Security Commissions does not allow this kind of trade agreement. But,,,,just like the Swiss bank situation,,,they say to the US...Too bad so sad when it comes to US trying to get info on US citizens having accounts in the Swiss Banks. There really isn't anything the states can do to keep people in US from investing in Foreign funds is there?
Sandster

[mercinary]

There really isn't anything the states can do to keep people in US from investing in Foreign funds is there?
Sandster

I think you are making an assumption that is beyond your ability to legitimately back-up. Unless you have some kind of training in international law of course....

FYI: That certainly isn't to suggest that I am qualified to make any assumptions either. In the case of PIPs, I think it would be better for the victims to get together and TRY to get some justice. It will do them a lot better than just sitting on their collective hands and doing nothing.

-Merc

[sisco50]

I think you are making an assumption that is beyond your ability to legitimately back-up. Unless you have some kind of training in international law of course....

FYI: That certainly isn't to suggest that I am qualified to make any assumptions either. In the case of PIPs, I think it would be better for the victims to get together and TRY to get some justice. It will do them a lot better than just sitting on their collective hands and doing nothing.

-Merc

Justice can come in many forms but in this case it is being handled by the authorities that have jurisdiction and we will have to see what form it takes. I don't have any international law training either but I am taking the common sense approach here. If "TRY to get some justice" equals refund, then there will be no justice. No money = no refund. My brand of justice is being handled by the proper authorities.

[SANDSTER]

I think you are making an assumption that is beyond your ability to legitimately back-up. Unless you have some kind of training in international law of course....

FYI: That certainly isn't to suggest that I am qualified to make any assumptions either. In the case of PIPs, I think it would be better for the victims to get together and TRY to get some justice. It will do them a lot better than just sitting on their collective hands and doing nothing.

-Merc

No assumption Merc. It was a question. Is there something the states can do? I was told that the states look down on these types of investments and
I understand why,,,because the money isn't in US banks. Does anyone know what the US can do for sure about the PIPS deal? I'm just curious. I know nothing, nada, nitch about International Laws. Maybe we should all read up
on the International Laws. May take a few years.
Sandster

[ycchen]

I support Merc's idea. There are many ways to get justice (refund is just ONE form of justice, but not necessary the only one) in the PIPS scam. Unless you think PIPS is not a scam but a failed legit business, otherwise, there is no harm for victims (of cause, if you do not identify yourself as victim, then this thread is probably not speaking to you) to get together, to brainstorm any effective way to fight back (include getting some sort of compensation and send Bryan and his gang to justice).

If there are proper authorities outside U.S. handling the case, then PIPS victims could at least find a way to assist the investigation by providing evidences of their PIPS account information. Many at Talkgold suggest that victims file complain to Bank Negara in Malaysia, which might be a good way to begin. There are probably other means of getting justice, but first, we need victims to take the initiative, come together, and start brainstorming about various possible ways of getting justice.