I have received 2 mini ipods from this matrix website

[shan]

Hey guys,
I am reading on these websites you have and say that they are scamming, but my name is on the scam name remove by moderator. READ THE FORUM RULES! website more than 4 times, i have already gotten 2 times and ipod nano, and i feel that it is really worth it, paying very little, and then getting things worth a lot of money.. anyone has any thoughts or gotten any problems with this site? as i never did.
my name on there is shan sayed.

[ycchen]

Weclome to MatrixWatch, Shan! :)

I thought ************ (a ponzi and illegal lottery site) is not moving for a long while already. In any cases, it is designed to cycle the least possible number of people as possible. I would consider it as one of the worst design matrix scam on the market right now. http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showpost.php?p=14325&postcount=10

shan, it is useless to advertise on MatrixWatch because MW members know that you are just a lucky early bird. (correction. Shan was the first person to enter the matrix in both mini-ipod lists. He is among the only 2 persons to receive gifts out of more than 160 sponsors). Shan, I suggest that you write a thank you card to all the sponsors below you! :shake:

There is NO way any one can get ANYTHING from this site if you sign up now. It is dead and we strongly encourage U.K. victims to take collective action against the scammer.

[websurfer03101]

Hey guys,
I am reading on these websites you have and say that they are scamming, but my name is on the turbo matrix .com website more than 4 times, i have already gotten 2 times and ipod nano, and i feel that it is really worth it, paying very little, and then getting things worth a lot of money.. anyone has any thoughts or gotten any problems with this site? as i never did.
my name on there is shan sayed.

Do you really think anybody is going to fall for that one. Did you forget what web site you were posting at. I don't think you're going to scam anyone here. Take your scaming somewhere else or better yet be a Man or Woman and earn and honest living.

[shan]

no i really not saying to buy from there or anything like that, but when i was reading the forums, all are saying all these websites are scams, they dont do anything, but i mean i got the ipod, not saying that they are not wrong or anything, but i am just posting a thought.

[shan]

ycchen, thanks for welcoming me :)

[JazzyJazmine]

This is the site that my friend is on! She hasnt got her phone, and doesnt look like she will do.

Shan, when did you get your iPods?

[ycchen]

no i really not saying to buy from there or anything like that, but when i was reading the forums, all are saying all these websites are scams, they dont do anything, but i mean i got the ipod, not saying that they are not wrong or anything, but i am just posting a thought. Hmmm... if you really don't know how matrix scam works, then here is a quick explanation, and hopefully you will understand why it is a scam, and you happen to benefit from a scam. By posting your 'positive testimonial' here, you are promoting the scam despite your true intention.

You pay UK$25 to enter the list

You get a UK$200 mini-ipod. (who pays for it?)

25 "sponsors" who join after you and pay for your Ipod.

Here is the cashflow:

25 sponsors x UK$25 = UK$625 (received by the scammer)

Let say the IPOD was shipped to you for a delivery fee of UK$25.

So, how much did the scammer earn?

$625 - $200 (IPOD) - $25 (delivery) = UK$400 !!!!

The profit rate for this scammer is $200%!! The highest we seen in any matrix-sites in the world. The average profit rate for the matrix scammer is 20-50%

The more the scammer keep for himself, the longer the people has to wait because it need more sponsors.

That is the reason why I classified this matrix-scam one of the worse! It is designed to give the least possible sponsored (not free) gift to its customers, and keep the maximum profit to himself. :shake:

So, Shan, do you still think this matrix is okay because it send you a member-sponsored IPOD? :)

[JazzyJazmine]

Shan, according to websurfer it looks like this is YOUR site!! Is this true? If so, why cant you refund my friend - Ive already sent you emails about this!!

[ycchen]

Shan, according to websurfer it looks like this is YOUR site!! Is this true? If so, why cant you refund my friend - Ive already sent you emails about this!!

It can't be true. If so, then Shan must be a fake name that the owner (scammer) put on top of the list.

Then, this matrix site is not the worst matrix-site but also the dishonest one. That is very sad indeed. :shake:

If Shan is the fake name, then only 1 out of 160 in the mini-IPOD waiting list is considered cycled. :mad:

[Anti-YMMSS]

Where does websurfer say that it is his site?

[JazzyJazmine]

Do you really think anybody is going to fall for that one. Did you forget what web site you were posting at. I don't think you're going to scam anyone here. Take your scaming somewhere else or better yet be a Man or Woman and earn and honest living.
This would seem to indicate to me that websurfer thinks that it is Shan's own scamsite that he is trying to promote. I wouldnt care - if he would just give my friend a refund!!

[ycchen]

I think Shan should be a real customers who bought 5 spots on that matrix. He is lucky to cycled 2 spots out of 5.

[Anti-YMMSS]

That doesn't mean that he owns the site. (Correct me if I'm wrong, web) What he's saying is that this person should stop trying to get people to join that matrix site and focus his/her energy on other money making ventures which don't involve matrix sites or other scams.

This would seem to indicate to me that websurfer thinks that it is Shan's own scamsite that he is trying to promote. I wouldnt care - if he would just give my friend a refund!!

[concerned]

That doesn't mean that he owns the site. (Correct me if I'm wrong, web) What he's saying is that this person should stop trying to get people to join that matrix site and focus his/her energy on other money making ventures which don't involve matrix sites or other scams.


This sounds right to me. Often we refer to the people at the top of the lists as scammers also, because they are equally responsible for people getting scammed. When we tell someone like that to quit scamming people here, we refer to them trying to recruit more people. Now, that being said, it is possible that he is the owner. Owners commonly use fake names to promote their sites. We need more proof before we can say it is the owner or not. Maybe we will look into it.

[websurfer03101]

I never checked to see if he was the owner or not. He could be or not. What I meant was, most of us here know that these sites are scams. Then it seems these folks come here and try to convince us otherwise. Just funny how these folks are one out of the thousands that magically receive these items. From what I've seen it's usually someone on the inside that gets the item and everyone else is stuck on a list that never moves.

[shan]

This is the site that my friend is on! She hasnt got her phone, and doesnt look like she will do.

Shan, when did you get your iPods?

I got one just a week ago, and another one around april, thats like 6 months if i am not mistaking.

[shan]

It can't be true. If so, then Shan must be a fake name that the owner (scammer) put on top of the list.

Then, this matrix site is not the worst matrix-site but also the dishonest one. That is very sad indeed. :shake:

If Shan is the fake name, then only 1 out of 160 in the mini-IPOD waiting list is considered cycled. :mad:

lol, why would you say this is my site? just check out my name is on there, i dont have any contact information with the site owner. i live in florida usa.

[shan]

Hmmm... if you really don't know how matrix scam works, then here is a quick explanation, and hopefully you will understand why it is a scam, and you happen to benefit from a scam. By posting your 'positive testimonial' here, you are promoting the scam despite your true intention.

You pay UK$25 to enter the list

You get a UK$200 mini-ipod. (who pays for it?)

25 "sponsors" who join after you and pay for your Ipod.

Here is the cashflow:

25 sponsors x UK$25 = UK$625 (received by the scammer)

Let say the IPOD was shipped to you for a delivery fee of UK$25.

So, how much did the scammer earn?

$625 - $200 (IPOD) - $25 (delivery) = UK$400 !!!!

The profit rate for this scammer is $200%!! The highest we seen in any matrix-sites in the world. The average profit rate for the matrix scammer is 20-50%

The more the scammer keep for himself, the longer the people has to wait because it need more sponsors.

That is the reason why I classified this matrix-scam one of the worse! It is designed to give the least possible sponsored (not free) gift to its customers, and keep the maximum profit to himself. :shake:

So, Shan, do you still think this matrix is okay because it send you a member-sponsored IPOD? :)


I understand what you are saying, but wouldnt the stuff that you get in the ebook is worth that UK$25? he dont take that money to put you on the list only, you get paid for the CD that he is selling, and you get to put yourself on a list which is just as a gift or something. thats how i thought about it. doesnt seem not bad idea when you think about it this way? let me know.

[shan]

I never checked to see if he was the owner or not. He could be or not. What I meant was, most of us here know that these sites are scams. Then it seems these folks come here and try to convince us otherwise. Just funny how these folks are one out of the thousands that magically receive these items. From what I've seen it's usually someone on the inside that gets the item and everyone else is stuck on a list that never moves.

I am really not promoting this or anything, i am not stupid enough to come to the site where it says matrix watch, the fight for justice since 2003. and come promote it, why would i do that when i am positive everyone around here have a problem with matrix sites, I am just concerned that people say that these are scam websites, but then i get 2 ipods. i do not understand that. moreover, when you go to the site, you are not actually paying for the list, all what you are paying is for that CD. isnt?

[Dreamer]

Ok. Here are a few observations:

1. The simple fact that people have been paid does not prove its not a scam. All good scammers will pay out in the beginning so they can scam more people. Just watch how a pool hustler will pay off a victim the first few games at a buck a piece, than go for $5 and more a game. Simply put, scam is over the minute a "gift" isnt sent out, because thats when newbies stop buying.

2. If the owner was selling laptops at $25 a piece (which should be obvious that the laptops are worth much more), and put the names on a matrix list to give out prizes is still considered an illegial lotto by most states standards. The problem usually is the CDs or eBooks are worthless, so its a dead coverup, but the truth ends up being that when you offer a promotion where not 100% of the people do not get whatever out of it, than its typically illegial.

3. Any promotion , to be legal, needs to offer free entry. Read your coke bottles next time you get a soda to see no purchase necesary.

[shan]

what about lottery? you pay to get in, and you are not guaranteed to win anything.

[ycchen]

Everyone has an equal chance in lottery. Here, the last person who sponsor your mini-IPOD need to wait for > 90 years to get his/her I-POD provided that the list won't die.

Tell me a lottery that is base on "first in first out" logic? :crazy:

Moverover, you need to apply a license to run a legal lottery. :)

Worst of all, did the matrix-site tell us that it is running a lottery? :shake:

Or by the way, tell the owner to add "lottery" and "no garantee" in his FAQ, to make it looks more legit. lol

[ycchen]

shan, if you main purpose is to by the CD with ringtone, then why are you coming here challenge us by showing us that you receive two member-sponsored I-POD?

It does not matter according to your own logic, isn't it? :shake:

By the way, we are also very sure that the owner is waiting to receive a letter from OFT to close his scam site. He has scammed enough money and he is looking for exit.

I am sure he will blame everything on MatrixWatch or OFT letter for closing his site, so he can walk away with all the scammed money. :shake:

[shan]

I dont care what happens, i was just posting the thoughts, and about the lottery thing, it was not ment to you ycchen, it was to the other dude who was saying that all entries to anything is free and you dont pay for it, but i was telling him that lottery you pay you dont get it in for free.

[Ferret]

Hey guys,
I am reading on these websites you have and say that they are scamming, but my name is on the scam name remove by moderator. READ THE FORUM RULES! website more than 4 times, i have already gotten 2 times and ipod nano, and i feel that it is really worth it, paying very little, and then getting things worth a lot of money.. anyone has any thoughts or gotten any problems with this site? as i never did.
my name on there is shan sayed.

I have a very good sniffer for scams and from reading all your posts you
are either the owner of this site or a friend of the owner

No one gets 2 ipods from one of these scam sites and posts so enthusiastically about it
So actually no one got anything, everyone was scammed

You are a joke, who do you think you are fooling? lol

[JazzyJazmine]

OK, now Im confused! Concerned & websurfer 'think' that Shan is genuine, not the scammy owner of the site, although it is possible...Ycchen seems sure that Shan IS a customer....but Ferret thinks that Shan IS the owner of Turbo Matrix!! Im trying to understand all this, but my head is hurting!! :(

I looked at the link to another thread, and it says that the site owner is called Lord....yet the emails I have from him are signed David. Also, I see that this site has had several owners, as it was up for sale on eBay last year. So who DOES own the site??! Is it possible to find out?

I have to admit, my friend still doesnt seem keen on doing anything about getting her money back - in fact, she doesnt seem keen on even talking about it anymore! This is now for me - its annoyed me. I want to find out who runs the site, and ask them face2face for the money back.

Shan, do you know any details to help me?

[shan]

I have a very good sniffer for scams and from reading all your posts you
are either the owner of this site or a friend of the owner

No one gets 2 ipods from one of these scam sites and posts so enthusiastically about it
So actually no one got anything, everyone was scammed

You are a joke, who do you think you are fooling? lol

I am fooling you stupid, I have no relationship with the owner, he is living in UK and i am living in USA, i still have the padded envelope that he sent me the last ipod with, and have the boxes for both iPods, I am not saying to go to there, but i am saying i got 2 iPods and people say that these websites are scams and you dont get anything, that was my main point posting.

[shan]

OK, now Im confused! Concerned & websurfer 'think' that Shan is genuine, not the scammy owner of the site, although it is possible...Ycchen seems sure that Shan IS a customer....but Ferret thinks that Shan IS the owner of Turbo Matrix!! Im trying to understand all this, but my head is hurting!! :(

I looked at the link to another thread, and it says that the site owner is called Lord....yet the emails I have from him are signed David. Also, I see that this site has had several owners, as it was up for sale on eBay last year. So who DOES own the site??! Is it possible to find out?

I have to admit, my friend still doesnt seem keen on doing anything about getting her money back - in fact, she doesnt seem keen on even talking about it anymore! This is now for me - its annoyed me. I want to find out who runs the site, and ask them face2face for the money back.

Shan, do you know any details to help me?

the site owner as i said is in UK. as i got my 2nd mini ipod not too long ago, i didnt even open it from its plastic, and i still have the packing envelope he used to send me it. i have nothing to do with this site. how would you know this was on sale on ebay? i tried to look on his site but couldnt see that he was selling it last year.

[Dreamer]

I think you said you were in florida:

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Florida/

849.09 Lottery prohibited; exceptions.--
(1) It is unlawful for any person in this state to:

(a) Set up, promote, or conduct any lottery for money or for anything of value;

(b) Dispose of any money or other property of any kind whatsoever by means of any lottery;

(c) Conduct any lottery drawing for the distribution of a prize or prizes by lot or chance, or advertise any such lottery scheme or device in any newspaper or by circulars, posters, pamphlets, radio, telegraph, telephone, or otherwise;


Definition of lottery

# something that is regarded as a chance event; "the election was just a lottery to them"
# players buy (or are given) chances and prizes are distributed by casting lots

And, thanks for your responce dude.

[sisco50]

What has the Florida state gambling laws to do with a martix site in UK? Am I missing something here? :(

[concerned]

OK, now Im confused! Concerned & websurfer 'think' that Shan is genuine, not the scammy owner of the site

I never said that he was genuine. I actually think it could be the owner. It fits the pattern of matrix owners. I said that without the proof, we can't say for sure yet. I am still looking for the proof, but nothing yet.

I looked at the link to another thread, and it says that the site owner is called Lord....yet the emails I have from him are signed David.

He calls himself Lord. i guess he thinks he is god. His name is David. If you want some more information on him, send me a PM. I will tell you more about him.

[Dreamer]

The florida gambling laws was in responce to shan who didnt understand what lotto laws had to do with matrix sites.

My argument initially was the fact that just because a matrix site pays out, doesnt make it legit. Every scam needs to pay its early birds so that it can make more money. And my point was that, the problem with matrix sites is you are not guaranteed to get your prize, even if you cycle. Its a chance, and its regulated by most states/countries.

So, I found florida gambling laws to show why states can run lottos and charge for the tickets, but individuals cannot. Maybe it would have been better to quote the UK laws that have forbidden matrix sites?

But, anyways, my point was to show that there are lottery laws out there.

[shan]

I think you said you were in florida:

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Florida/


Definition of lottery

And, thanks for your responce dude.

That not what i mean, i never bought them but they are these tickets that you buy in the grocery store and you might win like the grand prize or something, thats what i call the lottery.

[shan]

What has the Florida state gambling laws to do with a martix site in UK? Am I missing something here? :(

not really.. i dont know what that person is doing, i was just giving an example.

[shan]

Ok guys, talk as much as you want, i am leaving, all waht i wanted to post and say is that some sites might not be scams, like this one where i got 2 of them, it might be a scam but i dont think. and about people not getting their prizes, thats not a guarantee thing as when i read the policy turbo has it says that...

later all, later cchyen

[cmf]

Look, it's very simple. Here's how it works:

There are many fake names on the lists.
Select people will have items sent, and be rewarded for promoting the site further.
You receive your item, and you go and tell the world about it. Great for the scammer. They send out 1 in a 100 items. They refund people who complain, and live off those who forget.

[Tomi88]

this is also i free ipod thingy...

Referral link removed - see forum rules

ses here that it is real...?!?

Ditto