Why Can't I have a Sig???

[Matrix-Support]

Watchdog, I know you delete alot a topics, Please don't delete this one.

You say I can't have a sig with matrix-sites link on there because you was not able to on matrix sites, Yes you can. All the forums are the same. Many people even put banners in there sig. What's the big deal of a small link?? That's all you would talk about on matrix-news was your site and all IM doing is putting a link so people can hear both sides. Not that they need your traffic.

I am a nice person that stays in the rules and not letting me keep the link in my sig seams your trying to hide something.

By the way I can't even put a sig now, it's blocked...

Again I did not say anything wrong in this post or flame. There is no need to delete it.

[Matrix-Support]

Lot of people will agree we should be able to have a sig on how we feel.:)

[hurley9192]

putting your website is fine, but check the spelling and wording in your sig...it doesn't make sense

what does "the all know" mean?

Also, it's spelled feel and the number 2 is two, not to

I don't mean to be a stickler on stuff like that, but it gets annoying.

[Matrix-Support]

LOL

"You all know" Not "the all know"

I didn't check the spelling in my sig because it was blocked anyway. How can you see it? Are you a MOD?
I know all of that...

[MatrixWatch]

Matrix-Support,
I have the deepest respect for the club over at matrix sites. All the members here are allowed to have a signature, but I removed yours not because I don't want everyone to know both sides of the story, but rather because I am not giving them free advertising.

When I was a member there I placed a link to Matrix Watch in my signature and a brief description of our site. It was something like "see what all the controversy is about", or something like that. It was removed within 48 hours. I never said a thing to the admin, or the rest of the members on the forums. Why? Because it is THEIR site, and they can do whatever they want. Recently, you guys have taken a different view toward the decisions here.

For your sake I even added a new area in the Rules forum where you could go to get a detailed account of when and why a member was warned/suspended. Even with this however, some of you come here and question matrixfriendly's suspension, completely ignoring his subsequent attitude.

Since the close of matrix-news.net's forums, you and I are two of the largest and most active forums (our's has been 500% more active lately). You guys are feeling the heat so you came over here to encourage more traffic for your site. If you think I am going to let you do that for free, you are kidding yourself. You want Matrix Watch's traffic, then PAY for it! Have one of your gurus make up a couple banner templates and talk with me about it via email (the way I initiated this discussion with your owner).

Don't come over here and try to advertise your site in the name of free speech. I can see right through it. You want traffic, then pay for it.

Also, if you add that signature again (a third time) then I will place you on suspension.

[Matrix-Support]

First I don't think admin would do that. Anyone can have a sig with a banner or a link to any site. Maybe it was a MOD, I would email admin to check. As for you saying we all need your traffic, No we don't. It's only a sig for people that want the other side, Everyone has a sig.

[MatrixWatch]

Then let it stay between me and the admin there.

[Matrix-Support]

So, Maybe you can work things out then?

[MatrixWatch]

They want to "open up" their forums because they realized that by banning me and closing their forums to non-members they were not getting the kind of traffic and discussion that we have here at Matrix Watch. With the exception of a few disrespectful matrix supporters (whom the pro-matrix side didn't respect much anyway) our forums have been an awesome place to be lately. I have enjoyed the conversation and debate with the two sides, and tcb, uwantme, and BigStarr have been both respectful and clear in their posts. The members here have been superb in their efforts to prevent discussions from getting off track, and the conversations have been great.

So, what has the other forum done? They copied the idea, and stopped being so bitter toward all of our members' opinions. Their forums are still pretty null though, so they encouraged you guys to come here and promote their site. If they are going to do that then they can pay for advertising in order to fund our site's future.

As it was said in another post, "why have two sites debating either side, when you can have one site encouraging both opinions to be shared?"

[Matrix-Support]

You have some kind of problem.. Why the flame? You guys bend your own rules.

Most of us are here to just show our matrix support! Not because we like dogs..

[MatrixWatch]

Well.. Perhaps I was harsh, I apologize. I should be glad that our free speech here enabled another forum out there to overcome their reservations toward allowing other opinions in. If I saw it that way, then perhaps I would have allowed you to keep your signature.

But then I go over there, and I see that all they do is trash the way we do things here. It is a matrixwatchsucks.com forum, and everyone is sick of that. All we want to hear is coherant, logical arguments that would convince people. So far, I haven't seen much from the other side, and if there was anything it would be here since you are all welcome here. I don't want to have to go here and there and then another place to see what is new.

I have made a lot of executive decisions lately and I am sorry if it seems harsh. Perhaps we should let our members decide on this one...

What do you think everyone? Should we charge them, or let them advertise their forum for free? Please don't start new threads and polls. Keep your answers here.

[uwantme]

to be honest having a link to another forum in a signature in my opinion is not free advertising. I hardley ever even read peoples signatures let alone click on the links to them. I think that as long as the signiture is repectful, not lewd, etc basically following your rule #1 of the forum then I think you should be allowed to put whatever you want in your signature and without having to pay to do so...

[Matrix-Support]

You know what? I think I finally get it.. You think this is all a game on who's forum is better and why yours is so fun and cool. Just to let you know there's no best forum game going on.

And now you want to charge to have a link in your sig:confused:

[mikv]

First spiritual postings and now posts regarding people paying for advertising?? This site is losing way too much focus!!

[hurley9192]

I actually could see the sig for awhile, but now it's gone.

I don't mind some of the other conversations...that's why there is a general discussion area.

[mjkski]

I think it is free advertising- and I really don't want to see it. I really don't feel that it is the purpose of this forum and I think it should be left off. But I am also for free enterprise- So if you want some extra cash- charge them for it dog.

[Matrix-Support]

Of course a donkey will agree with a dog..

I think everyone should have the ability to place what they want in there sigs. You say that this forum is free to say the other side. Well, you are keeping the other side out. I think people need there sigs. Every other forum you can.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Matrix-Support
Of course a donkey will agree with a dog..

I think everyone should have the ability to place what they want in there sigs. You say that this forum is free to say the other side. Well, you are keeping the other side out. I think people need there sigs. Every other forum you can.

Then go to another forum. Nobody is making you come here.

[Matrix-Support]

I am here for Matrix Support and that's all. Not for fun.

[MatrixWatch]

Then support the matrix side of the argument 'till your heart's content. You are allowed to do it here, and the rules here are the same there. The site you want to endorse however, has NOTHING to do with "the other side". It has to do with all the advertisers that pay you guys. You have seen a huge dip in traffic and you cannot charge as much for advertising without that traffic. If you want to advertise a site in your signature, then I believe you should pay us a fee to support the upkeep of this site. Please though, don't make a signature such a big issue of free speech. That is an outdated argument.

[Matrix-Support]

So what now your trying to make some fast cash? lol

All the forums are doing good without your advertising. Go to top-matrix or anywhere. Top matrix charges like $200 and there still getting banner ads. So I don't know where you come up with that.

[CaktusJack]

Originally posted by watchdog

Since the close of matrix-news.net's forums, you and I are two of the largest and most active forums (our's has been 500% more active lately). You guys are feeling the heat so you came over here to encourage more traffic for your site. If you think I am going to let you do that for free, you are kidding yourself. You want Matrix Watch's traffic, then PAY for it! Have one of your gurus make up a couple banner templates and talk with me about it via email (the way I initiated this discussion with your owner).

Earlier Watchdog Quote:

" The "cause" of MatrixWatchSucks is severely tainted by the fact that they they offer advertising. It will eventually cause people to question the true motives of the site, and it will result in a conflict of interest between the site administration and the advertisers."

Just another discrepancy.

[mjkski]

Matrix-Support
Yea I knew that would come from someone like you. But I am one cool good looking donkey with a good sense of humor and the babes love me. At least I am not some blue hair rat! LOL

Why is it such a big deal to you? If they are doing so well in advertising without the Dog's site then why bother to even argue this point.? He lets you talk and argue your points within his rules. But he is suppose to let you or someone else make money off his site and charge you nothing for that? I don't think I would if it was me.

[Matrix-Support]

Yea I knew that would come from someone like you. But I am one cool good looking donkey with a good sense of humor and the babes love me. At least I am not some blue hair rat! LOL

It was only a joke, I had to say it, It was so funny.

"At least I am not some blue hair rat!"

That was another good one! LOL:D

You know what? He is a rat! I never seen that.lol

[mjkski]

I knew I opened the flood gate for abuse to me when I put it there- but I can take it and I thought it would be fun. Nothing like a little banter about some stupid pictures we post to make me laugh. Just a little humor just to lighten things up a little. Now that I think about it, I would probably guess that pretty much nobody wants a donkey agreeing with them. Sorry Watchdog. I can see it now- oh no- "please no!!!! donkey person please don't post a message agreeing with me!" LOL

[Matrix-Support]

So it all comes down to the dog's, donkeys and rats!
All we need is some pigs for a farm..lol
Anyone up for it?? :D Anyone seeing this post don't get any new site ideas, hint "MatrixWatchFarm".lol

[MatrixWatch]

very funny.. Just to let you all know, Sonic is not a blue rat, he is a hedgehog.

CaktusJack/matrixfriendly,
Don't think you can just change your user name after being suspended and come in here to fool everyone with your new identity. I do not even have a page on this site where I solicit advertisements. What you bring up from another discussion is completely different to what is going on here. If I want advertisers, then I will seek them out, not make some new anti-matrixwatch site and do so for the sole purpose of getting advertisers. You are comparing apples and oranges. If some members of the other forums want to come in here and follow their site owner's orders to advertise here in these forums, then they can pay for it. Many people have joined matrix watch in the past few days to serve as advertisers/salesmen for the matrix-promotion sites and I am wise to that plan. Tell your site owners that if they want the valuable attention of our members, then they can pay for their time. I will not allow you advertise for free. Now, matrix-support, you are welcome to share your opinions here, but if you bring this issue up again then I will issue you a warning.