Matrix owners to use PORN for advertising

[MatrixWatch]

That's right. Sagging business is leading some matrix-site owners to use pornograhy in order to jump start their scam sites. They plan to take advantage of those who download pornographic images on file-sharing portals like Kazaa and include the name of their matrix site on the image. Here is an excerpt from the ever-so-ethical "matrix-sites.net":


Yeah, I mean its almost ridiculous how many people want those porn pictures, lol. So just make an image- better than a .doc- and just write on the image (even if it is a porn image). Edit it and write on it. - A great way to get many outsiders. I have heard of this idea before but simply forgot about it!

http://www.matrix-sites.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=498

...and another site owner adds



I learned a long time ago... Everyone has some "secret" stash of porn LOL! Soooooooo porn is a huge way to hit LOL Especially since Kazaa is made up of teens and adults oh yeahhhhhhhh


Have they sunk too low this time?

[Arzel]

I find this somewhat ironic and funny at the same time.

I remember when some of this was first brought up many months ago, and the general concensus from matrix people was that they did not want to be associated with the mostly immoral porn industry. Yet now in desperation mode the idea seems like a good one (to them).

I am curious how uwantme feels about this, or for that matter any of them women in the matrix world.

I think this will only hurt the matrix world further.

[peterdragin]

I agree, this is getting real desperate to advertize along with porn pics. I don't think this will even give them any new bodies.

Without ebay they have no other way to get new bodies.

Link sharing is a joke, banner sharing is a joke, listing on other Matrix forums is a joke. All are not getting any NEW bodies to sign up, just old ones who know better.

Yahoo auctions are covered, I check them about every 3 days and they kill auctions in less than 24 hours.

[FightingBack]

Well well well. LoL I also find this funny at the same time. I mean it is a somewhat smart way for advertising. But it's also drastic at the same time.

[mikv]

I find it amazing that the matrix owners are not looking offline for new customers. Most have no drive to advertise outside of the web. There are alot of people that can be reached on the web, but they aren't all going to visit a matrix portal and find the website. The matrix community sticks to forums and banners and they hope word of mouth reaches outside the web for them. They want the customer to post flyers and do the street promotion. This does nothing to help a stagnant list and they don't seem to even want to look into it.

[sigx97]

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[Agent|Star]

LOL


I learned a long time ago... Everyone has some "secret" stash of porn LOL! Soooooooo porn is a huge way to hit LOL Especially since Kazaa is made up of teens and adults oh yeahhhhhhhh


that is a quote is by me.. only thing is when you took it out of content you made it lOok like i was suggesting something.. nice work... Kinda like you watch Real World MTV and MTV only shows you a person "b*tchin" and they work up an image of this person who might very well be a nice person lol... Yep you did that right here with my quote... Also.. are you denying its truth? Don't be embarrished by your stash of porn or mags or other methods for arousment LOL....

Back to topic (had to comment cause you used my quote) OMG we gotta stop matrix sites they are advertising on Kazza... Whos really gonna do this? and could you stop them? Eeeeek Have you seen those Windows Messangers that auto popup a message on your screen thats scarey!!

My vote you are wondering heheh well..... I cant tell you that!! But my thoughts... a bit of both 2 & 3 haha yeah you like that?

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Arzel
I am curious how uwantme feels about this, or for that matter any of them women in the matrix world.


I can see this from to ways. First I dont really have a problem with legal porn. Believe me I would much rather have my boyfriend looking at that then at the real thing. Now as far as using porn to advertise on kazaa, Im a little confused. I use kazaa to download songs but I have never tried downloading porn so im a little unsure of how that whole putting your site on the porn would work. I also see it like this. If someone is looking at free porn on Kazaa, they probably dont like spending money anyway. Also if they are actually looking at porn I doubt they want to take the time way to go look at some matrix site let alone buy something from it. However i can see kazaa as a powerful advertising tool. And I never really though about it before. But if you have some software like Goldwave on your computer and you get some popular songs right now it would be really easy to edit them on Goldwave and all you would have to do is put your own little intro on the beginning or end of the song like: "want some free "whatever"? just go to_____. So before or after the person who download the song from you hears the song they hear you telling them to visit this site. With the millions of users on kazaa it would be great advertising and if its allowed on Kazaa i dont see why not. I guess the issue with me is not if its morally wrong or right to advertise there or to use porn or whatever to do it. If its within that sites policies to allow ads like that then I think any site owner(matrix or otherwise) has a right to access and use that tool.

[Agent|Star]

Hey Im a female!! :D

[peterdragin]

Bigstarr says: Have you seen those Windows Messangers that auto popup a message on your screen thats scarey!!

If you want to stop them ( those little pop ups that appear by them selfs ) there is a open port on your computer they send them through, it's a plug and play port that is open. there is a little program that shuts it off and stops them. E mail me and I'll send it to you.

You should be running a firewall also if you aren't running one now.

[damion]

Peterdragin
I am running a firewall and those little messages were still getting me. The spammers of the world have found a way around a firewall (using built in firewall in Linksys router). I actually had to go in to my services and stop the messenger service and set it to where it only starts up when I physically start it.
What I find funny is that most of the messages I got were advertising software to stop it, lol - ie. messengerkiller.com, stopmessenger.net, etc.

As far as the porn issue and kazaa go:
I do not see it helping or hurting. There are literally millions of images on the web and you would really have to come up with a creative way to get those images in front of people and would have to do so by some sort of trickery to really make it effective. How many times have you stopped looking at your porn to go visit a website that was listed on it?
I am sure my point is made. Your better bet is to spend some out of pocket money to do a major advertising campaign if you really wanted to get a ball rolling again. I do not know any matrix owners that are willing to do this. From what I have seen - most of the owners now are in it just for the quick money and those days are over. Once they see this, they close up shop and are done leaving a little less credit to the honest sites.

Just my opinion.
Damion

[Arzel]

I agree with a lot of what has been said, but what I was really trying to get at from uwantme and other women was how would they feel about matrix sites using porn.

I am not trying to be an advocate either way, but I do know that there are people involved with matrix sites that are very much against porn. I can see now that uwantme does not care, and neither does bigstar.

Are there any other women out there, or men for that matter, that would find themselves turned away from a matrix site if it suddenly started using porn to advertise?

[damion]

I would not personally do business with a company that used porn as a method of advertising.
You should advertise in ways that are at least somewhat similar to what you are doing or use a marketing company to do that for you. It is unethical to try to bring customers in off of dishonest advertising - not to mention illegal for them to put their name on a picture that they did not personally take.

Damion

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Arzel
Are there any other women out there, or men for that matter, that would find themselves turned away from a matrix site if it suddenly started using porn to advertise?

You see Arzel its like this. Im really selective about any sites I join anyway. But I try to ask questions that matter about them business license, lawyer, future plans, contact info, etc... Not whether or not they use porn to advertise. Second I dont look at porn so I wouldnt even know if a site I was a member of used or porn to advertise or not so why should it bother me. Also as i kinda brought up before porn is not illegal. Yes, there are some who make illegal porn but in general porn is not illegal. So if its not illegal, why should everyone be offended by it? If its not illegal and it is an effective form of advertising, I think its good that some site owners use all of the resources they can to advertise and get out of using the banner exchanges etc.. that dont really work... Also from what I understood on the other board they werent talking about hardcore porn anyway. They said take a picture of someone naked and edit your website across the bottom. I mean its just a picture. I dont know, I just think it isnt as big of a deal as some are making it.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Arzel
I agree with a lot of what has been said, but what I was really trying to get at from uwantme and other women was how would they feel about matrix sites using porn.

I am not trying to be an advocate either way, but I do know that there are people involved with matrix sites that are very much against porn. I can see now that uwantme does not care, and neither does bigstar.

Are there any other women out there, or men for that matter, that would find themselves turned away from a matrix site if it suddenly started using porn to advertise?


Well... I wouldn't personally do business with a matrix site that is hosting poronographiic images on their website... If a matrix site was advertising thru porno methods I probably would not have known without someone pointing it out to me. Bottomline, if I were viewing porno images through kazaa, I dont think a matrix ad would spark my attention lol... It would get an immediate delete...

What i was saying is.. Yes advertising on kazaa is possibly another route for getting their site out to the public as well as are we surpised by this? Hence my votes are 2 & 3 ! :cool:

You sound as if you expected women to be outraged... Why is that?

[Arzel]

Maybe I am not being completely clear.

Lets say that there was a matrix site which was against the porn advertising aspect orginally, and then decided later to use porn to advertise. How would you feel about that? How about if the the advertising worked both ways and some sites advertised back to porn pages within the matrix site (I could see that happen as a logical progression).

I don't mean to point to women specifically, but it is fair to say that the majority of public opinion is that porn objectifies women. And that women are generally the focus.

I have an interesting thought on this whole issue, but as to not stray off track I will post it in the off topic forum.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by Arzel
Maybe I am not being completely clear.

Lets say that there was a matrix site which was against the porn advertising aspect orginally, and then decided later to use porn to advertise. How would you feel about that? How about if the the advertising worked both ways and some sites advertised back to porn pages within the matrix site (I could see that happen as a logical progression).



I think that if a site later decided to use it even if they were first against it makes no difference. Maybe they realized there was some pontential in it or some other factor. I think site owners should take advantage of all legal advertising they can. Now if later a site started linking back to a porn site once again I can see where this would throw people off, but I dont see how that would be a logical progression. They have nothing in commmon and there is no place for porn on a matrix site, it wouldnt go together. Sites use graphic images to advertise because then their site will get seen. However linking to a porn site would serve them no purpose and I dont see it happening in the future. Thats what I also mentioned before. You act like these matrux sites are making their own porn movies or something to advertise their sites. In truth I just saw one person, who I dont even think is a site owner, mention that you could take a naked photo of someone like britney spears(this would be a fake photo anyway) and you could edit your web address across the bottom of the photo or something and then put it on Kazaa so people will see your site. I dont think this is quite the crisis nor do I think its going to blow up to some huge partnership between the porn industry and matrixes.

[peterdragin]

Well if you use a fake photo of a celeb. someone might object, like the guy who did the fake.

Most of these guys take pride in their work and even tho it's a fake it's copyrighted by them and alot of web sites have got into trouble by showing these fakes without permission. Normaly we do not bother the site that is doing it for free, but if it's a pay site we go after them.

I am very well informed on this subject because I am one of these guys that do fake photos of celebs. I will say one thing that I do NOT do porno pics, just the Playboy style of pictures.

I don't know if anybody cares but Allisa Milano won a lawsuit against a few web sites that were charging to view the pictures, she tried to go after the guys who did the fakes but the judge threw that part out, it was considered art.

[tcb1969a]

Just out of curiosity Peterdragin, what programs do you use to do the Celeb Fakes....

[peterdragin]

I have Adobe 4.0 and 7.0,
I use them both, but I am more used to 4.0, still learning where they put all the different tools and such with 7.0.

I haven't been doing alot with fakes as of late, just a few now and then to keep in practice.

[tcb1969a]

Peterdragin,

Thank you for the information....

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by Arzel
Maybe I am not being completely clear.

Lets say that there was a matrix site which was against the porn advertising aspect orginally, and then decided later to use porn to advertise. How would you feel about that? How about if the the advertising worked both ways and some sites advertised back to porn pages within the matrix site (I could see that happen as a logical progression).

I don't mean to point to women specifically, but it is fair to say that the majority of public opinion is that porn objectifies women. And that women are generally the focus.

I have an interesting thought on this whole issue, but as to not stray off track I will post it in the off topic forum.


Well if a site was against porn and later uses porn there is nothing I can do about that. I don't think it will upset me at all unless they had a porno banner within the matrix site. I would probably contact them letting them know I think that is a bad idea.

Using porn as a method for advertising does not bother me, as it is another means of making a site known so be it... I only object to a matrix site posting banners or poorno links within the matrix site...

As far as pornos objectifying women... heheh guys are in porn to right? I don't think sexuality is such a big deal anymore times have changed....

[amagic2u]

arzel I got to say that it would be and is a hugh turn off to me and others its bad enough that they flood the email but if you have kids or in my case grandchildren the way the porn banners work they put their porn on the banner and here is just a short story My 11 year old grandson was using my pc one day and was just doing a little looking around the next thing I here is Nana I think you should come and see this I say what is it he says this guy is peeing in the ladys mouth OH MY GOD I just about died ran over and sure enough as fast as I could it was off my screen I asked him what the heck were you doing he says I was just trying to open up a new game online I say what game it was a banner of some kind that said fun and games cum play with us WOW my point is why if what you are doing is got nothing to do with the porn storm why put you site in there or maybe the matrix commune is just that they make you think your getting something your not and are there just to (EDITED BY ADMIN)

[MatrixWatch]

amagic,

A "-" does not immunize profanity. The rule is NO profanity. Keep it clean.

[amagic2u]

I am sorry you know I flashed on that all day and what was I thinking my bad and I do give my Im sorrys to all please forgive me and I will never do it again :(