Telling it how it is...

[Bulldog]

Hello to all of you,

I have been lurking on this board for quite some time and it is about time I stepped in. Over my stay here at these forums I have had the opportunity to witness some very level headed and intelligent posts, while also seeing some posts that represent a grade two level of education.

Since I have some spare time on my hands I felt the need to address some issues that are taking place. That being said, its about time that some of these owners close up shop and start the refund process. Yes, I know you have heard this over and over - but face it people, the matrix scene is a "has been". And after Watchdog is through, it will be a "never again".

Here is what I suggest: site owners better take a close look at their business practices - and they better do it soon. Why? Because the number of people that are against matrix sites are growing. As some say, "power to the people". That being said, we need to shut these sites down. I am going to start by reporting some to the hosting companies and other various authorities (perhaps the BBB would be a good start). Am I customer? I don't know - or better yet, does it really matter? Site owners - are you on my list? No...not yet, but you will be. Close down now!

Consider this a friendly message and a great big "Hi!" to everyone at matrixwatch.org

[FightingBack]

Well personally I feel it is going to be a lot more difficult than just contacting BBB. When contacting the BBB on a site, you need to state your name, number, and address. The BBB is to help you resolve problems with the site. Most the time the BBB just would like you to work it out with the customer before they get more involved. (This varies from state to state, I know in some states this is the first action.) And then the site owner is probablly just going to refund from there. If your not a customer on a site and you go contact the BBB what are you going to say? "I'm not a customer, but would just like to see this site down." Yeah that doesn't sound good. Matrix sites haven't been made illegal yet. So once they do become illegal, then you can go to the BBB and say "Hey I found this illegal site running shut it down." But for now, if your not a customer. Tough luck.

[Bulldog]

That's nice, Mr. Fighting Back (from China). How is it that someone like yourself is so familiar with state policies, yet hailing from China? I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that you ARE a matrix owner hiding behind the curtain of an alias and a false location...rest assured my dear friend...the BBB is just a start.

Why don't you step up to the plate and let us all know what site you are trying to hide?

[FightingBack]

Well if you must know we own MatrixWatchSucks.Com. Yes we know the site is down right now, the builder is having a few problems with the database. Anyways our location, it was simply a joke. You watch dogs really need to lighten up. You take everything to seriously. Anyways since our site is dedicated to bring the truth to both sides we DO talk to a lot of site owners. And you hear stories all over these forums about BBB, warnings and other things. You can honestly tell your new to the place.

If you would like to become part of our site when it re-opens your welcome to. Come speak your mind and talk about whatever. We assure you wont get banned unless your being obscure and breaking our rules. There you have it our wonderful story. If you would like to know more about our site check out the post we have posted a while back stating our site was open. You will find it interesting.

[FightingBack]

Oh and also you do know you can click the Website button above all our post to locate our site's URL. That's what it is there for. Good day.

[MaxPower]

Welcome Bulldog!

Good to see that you are taking action. The time for debate has been over for a while now... they are almost always one sided when it has to do with logic. Matrix owners had their warnings and it is getting to the point of being too late now... as a few of matrixwatch's members can attest.

The debate is basically over... the action is just begining.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by FightingBack
We assure you wont get banned unless your being obscure...

Obscurity... Now that is an interesting reason to get banned.

[Bulldog]

Gee Fighting Back, thank you for clearing that up for me. It is kind of interesting talking to someone from China. Wait...you are not from China and are pulling a "joke" on all of us. How mature. Now, your wonderful website that you have started (although we cannot see it because it is not up)...what, exactly, is the point of that site? Do the other pro-matrix forums not provide matrix supporters with the necessary "areas" to post about your scams...I mean sites? We all know that the "pro-matrix reasoners" cannot provide straight answers as to why matrix sites should remain legal, so what makes you so special that you need to make a website to tell the same old stuff?

[Bulldog]

Thanks Maxpower!

[FightingBack]

Well first off this site needs some jokes and humor around here. And 2nd the pro spot on this watch site is not enough. The people who want to speak their mind and opinion shouldn't have to have this little section set off to the side for them. It's ridiculous! So someone posts in the general section, speak their opinion, tick off WatchDog and BAMMM! Your banned. Simple as that. It's stupid. Our site is for both sides to come together and debate and talk and not have lies floating around about just one side of the story. *Cough* MatrixWatch.org ... So that's why it was created. yes some people don't agree with the site name, and the site may should have had another name. But we can't do anything now, the builder has been paid and the hosting/domain are bought. Oh yeah, btw welcome.

[northstar5757]

Ya I do kinda find it funny, aside from matrixwatch there arn't any other negative matrix boards i know of. Tons of positive boards but no negative one's. It's nice to see that watchdog was mature enough not to name this site www.matrixsucks.com.

It's kinda hard to attract anyone to your forum when it has such a unmature name.

[FightingBack]

Well were sorry for any pain and suffering this may have caused you. :( But get over it. You'll live.

[northstar5757]

Hey you can name your site whatever you want. I'm not forcing you to change anything. But claiming that your site wants to look at both sides of the story and then naming it matrixwatchsucks is well......ridiculous.

[Bulldog]

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[FightingBack]

Okay that's fine say what you want. But it's still going to post the truth to both sides of the story, and all of Tim's false info and rude things he posts. Look back at his DNS claim. That was ridiculous. He jumps on matrix sites for having false DNS info. But yet his info is fake at the same time. He really should quite contradicting himself.

[MaxPower]

Fightingback...

Who cares about Tim's information? Nobody is doing any business with him here. I'm sure he tell's people the correct information when he is actually conducting business.:)

[northstar5757]

If I was tim I'd keep my info private as well. I'm sure he has received many threats (I have read some of them). Not too mention that he is not running a business, by listing his contact info it wouldn't do any good.

[FightingBack]

So what about the threats happening to these matrix sites we hear about? They should also have a right to block their info. I really think Tim should have layed off on that subject about false info. If people would read Terms Of Service they would know what the site is. You just have to do a little reasearch before purchasing. Like I said before, it's like buying a computer without doing any research or looking at the specs. You need to read every detail first.

[MaxPower]

No Fightingback... if a matrix website wants to represent itself like a business, then it must do the same as all other businesses. Threats go with the territory. All businesses recieve threats sooner or later from an upset customer.

It's not like they have to give their home address... a P.O. Box is OK. Not the best - I am always suspicious when a company that only gives a PO... but at least they are not outright lying to the customers.

[FightingBack]

Yes you are right about that. But for fighting to try and just say something I am not doing anymore. This is getting really old and I have only been a member for so many days. MaxPower this is not aimed at you. (Sorry for posting it right after yours lol) I mean this is dumb. I see a lot of peoples point of views, and I take them into consideration. But it is very hard to try and get some of those watchdogs to even look at your thought. These forums really are starting to tire more out. I'm sorry but it's hopeless to even speak my opinion without getting barked at.

[peterdragin]

Was just looking at some false info myself, FightingBack your from China ? a trace of your ip says south of Alanta GA.

Better to leave it blank ....

[FightingBack]

If you read my previous post I was joking. I am not from China. And hey if people are lying about their location why can't I?

[FightingBack]

Okay let me clarify that up since I might get some hounding on me. If SOME people are lying about their location, Tim site owners, and whoever else why can't I? All's I am is running a forums site to tell both sides the story, and simply posting.

[peterdragin]

I was just messing with you.

I could care less what you put for a location..

[FightingBack]

I changed it to make ya'all happy. :) :D :cool: :rolleyes: :p ;) To somewhere I wish I could visit

[hurley9192]

I want to know how matrixwatchsucks.com is going to tell both sides and "tell it like it is"

With that name, you are just putting on a bad front for people on the fence.

[concerned]

This forum already tells both sides. The problem isn't with the website, or with what side the person running the site supports.

The big problem is that there isn't any real proof to what the matrix supporters are saying.

Without that hard concrete proof, their website will be dominated by anti matrix people because of 2 things.

1. There are a lot more people that DON'T support them.

2. The arguments at their site will be identical to those seen here.


I know that they say they won't do this, but the only way they will be able to keep in control of their forum is to ban the people that don't see it their way. Otherwise, their forum will sound like this forum.

Watchdog doesn't ban people because they don't have the same opinions as he does. He bans them because they break the rules. And even after that, he welcomed them back after banning them and have them another chance. Some decided that they were going to continue to break the rules though.

One matrix supporter and owner recently had his sites shut down and he was reported to the Consumer Affairs authorities in his state. We always welcomed his comments, and we still do. After he broke out with the story about his experience, he was still allowed to carry and debate his own opinions. I know for a little while there was debate about his methods of refunds, but thru all of that, he was never baned, and as I recall, I don't even think I ever saw someone post an "I TOLD YOU SO" type of comment to him. If there was one, I must have missed it.

Because of this, watchdog has been more than FAIR.

Besides, without the opposing viewpoints, this forum would have failed. It wouldn't be interesting when there is no point to argue.

I mean, come on, if watchdog banned people for having an opposing opinion, then he would have baned the person who started this thread, or anyone who posts information about the other forum. He is interested in providing people with ALL of the information, and if he thinks your forum has interesting information, then he will point to it or quote it.

[hurley9192]

Actually, I think Watchdog threw in a mini "I told you so", but it was done nicely.

I think the main thing now is...how can TCB help us to get other customers who may face the same dilemma as TCB's where there is uncertainty in the site, to coach them on what to do so they can be limited on their losses?

Should site owners start contacting their office of consumer affairs and be proactive?

[MatrixWatch]

I agree. In fact, I think that TCB is more valuable to this community than ever before. He has transcended to "peer" status, and he is holding up very well.