Empowerism - OPFM - YMMSS

[drankoolaid]

Hello There,
I've done more reading here than I've done in a long time.
Interesting and informative to say the least.

OK here is my Empowerism/YMMSS story.

Actually I've only "sipped" the Koolaid not guzzeled
it because well heck when one is scammed enough
times on the internet one tends to be a tad more
conservative in at least how much money
they throw at the newest, latest, greatest retire in
90 day success formula that comes down the pike.

Still - being somewhat afflicted with that uglier part of the
human condition called greed I sometimes have not always
used good judgement OR first instincts in resisting temptation
to ahem roll the dice in these internet "opportunities."

OK - Empowerism First - Joined April 2005

Somewhere on this site I read a comment about guru
recommendations of Empowerism and how recommending
scam programs by "guru's" should rightly impair their "credibility."

I couldn't agree more.

That is EXACTLY how I became involved with Empowerism.

I won't name the particular "Guru" as that wouldn't be very nice.
Although for a small hosting fee - $30.00 a month,
you can have a carbon copy of his opportunity website,
he's very plugged in to the warriors forum .. and his
first name rhymes with bone ..

Now then,

My first impression of the Empowerism site when I bought
was the exact same that most folks have described here
ie: "what exactly did I just buy?" Training? Leads? Resources?

Well ok, let's take the 50 leads deposited monthly. Worthless.
God only knows how the leads are derived. The only thing
that is a blessing is the leads are placed in the i-send
auto-responder and not actually coming from my own ip.

One has NO capabilty of editing the responder messages
(other than the footer) so quite naturally they are sent
with the idea of soliciting NEW empowerism recruits into
the "matrix" which thankfully does not happen because
they never join anyways. Sure you can export the leads into
another auto-responder (if you want to again - "roll the dice"
with your host/service provider shutting you down.

Training - Resources? Not impressive
Sophmoric to say the least. The clue for me
is when I arrive at a website that advertises
success training but quickly upsells me on
the "opportunity" and getting others to JOIN
well this is the only clue one needs ..

Reason prevailed and when I saw the
low quality of the monthly leads - I did not get
into the rsvp/mvp and various "advertising double deals."

If one REALLY wanted to have some fun
they could try cold calling some of those "hot" auto
responder "prospects" and attempt to then
explain Empowerism - rsvp and mvp and the
wonderful success "plan" over the phone.

Let's say I have natural curiousity or I am simply
a glutton for punishment so I let my subscription ride
with the auto deduction feature enabled.

Obviously not much happens other than racking up hits
to my Empowerism site from the "leads" and modest
free advertising which never does and will never
"convert."

Roughly I have incurred
$224.95 total outlay - to now and have received $9.00 in Acrued
commissions. Thankfully I am a bit "diversified" and can
cover the monthly loss. The tax write off is consolation prize.

Somewhere else on this Forum I read about
things getting to the point where a NEW scheme
would need to be invented in order for Empowerism
to substain the top percenters - Enter ourpowerforcedmatrix
OR OPFM for short. If you REALLY want to see some hocus
pocus razzle dazzle you must visit http://www.ourpowerforcedmatrix.com/

The BEST part of the website was the picture of
the woman on the front page (testimonial.)
Unfortunately I am afflicted with more than one human
condition ..

The idea is -- someone sponsors you (pays) for your
first month Empowerism subscription and through the
supreme power of numbers and "strength of the OPFM membership"
and POWER Matrix FLIPS so that EVERYONE Wins!

Of course this assumes that the EMPOWERISM member
you pay for sticks around long enough to renew their
sub-ripption (which involves them updating payment info
at the Empowerism site that was just created for them.)

From what I can tell - most never do and in reality
why would they!!? There is virtually nothing there of
Value Unless you consider peeling out your wallet to buy
MORE worthless advertising valuable.

This was a hot button topic at the
OPFM forum .. Great I just spent money signing people
up and they drop out quicker than you can say jack.

The response is of course I feel your pain
hang in there ..

Got a good look at what was
going on with access to the OPFM FORUM,
talk about people turning on each other!

So the bottom line is now BOTH of my Empowerism
Auto subscriptions are now DISABLED.

I will contact
the nice fellow that sponsored me the second time
around to cover his cost for my subscription with
my explaination - I believe he is just a hapless pawn who
also bought a second Empowerism membership trying to
recover losses from the first.

Hmmm come to think of it - the very definition of insanity!

NEXT

YMMSS OR STA or Whatever Newest Non-Sense Joined Nov 2004

I placed $190.00 into this one. I remember at the time
thinking it's not much different that throwing that same
amount into a slot machine. This was not a "business
decision." It was a gambling decision pure and simple.

The thing is - the slot odds might be better.

I simply (once again) left the re-purchase option on so that
the original $190.00 "investment" kept purchasing new EPC's
when I "cycled." On paper (their paper) it is said that
I have now made $920.00 - none of which
I've seen and likely will never see. I have all of
my posting credits EPC's something like 350 of them.

Way back when on the older site I tried posting an
ad but couldn't - contacted the help desk and was
told WELL accumulating EPC's wasn't such a bad thing!

That among other things was my clue to NOT give
them one more dime AND No I do not read ads either.

Who has time to waste on that!?

Thankfully I never revealed my social security number.
I am a bit paranoid when it comes to things like giving
my SSI # all over the internet to people I don't know.
I always figure let's see what's going on first. Until then
I give a dummied up SSI # or none at all .. you can
always list your real number if the thing bears fruit ..

The Forum at YMMSS is fairly Non-Existent.
A few head scratchers - a few faithful yada yada

The member posts are are considerably and not so
conspicuously absent. Really tough to find ANYTHING
of real substance. What a shock.

Yes I would say your evaluation of YMMSS death
is accurate as well as the impending slower death
of Empowerism.

With NEW matrix props like OPFM
Empowerism might hang in there ...

Sales seem to be brisk ..

In no way have I heard that
Janet (owner) has endorsed OPFM but neither has she
disavowed it ..

Question:

Was this the same Janet that was involved
with the internet shyster Cal Cobb of Web Fishermen fame?

I don't know that she was -- was just asking.

For those who jumped into any of these "opportunities"
up to your eyeballs my heart goes out to you. Especially
those who involved family members and loved ones.

Never gamble with more than you can afford to lose.
(money, friends or family.)

NEVER ever, I repeat NEVER involve
friends or relatives in ANY venture that cannot be proved
substainable over the long haul unless of course you can
guarantee their potential losses. If you need to RECRUIT
to "make the system work" for the benefit EVERYONE
i think it's well advised to then stay clear ..

My losses are not great -- personally I prefer
to simply move on .. but if others want or need my
support I will be happy to help.

Thanks,
Don't Drink The Koolaid (just play the slots - it's more entertaining!)

Drankoolaid

[ycchen]

Drankoolaid, welcome to MatrixWatch!

Thanks so much for taking your time to give us testimonial of three pyramid/matrix "scams" sites.

This type of indept testimonial is very very important for potential donors (or Janet would call them "prospects" :shake: ) to use it as second opinion and reevaluate their decision again.

MatrixWatch respects every victims decision to deal with the scams in their own way. Having said that, our "official" line is still: take action, file complaints to the attornel general, FBI...etc. With critical mass, the authorities might take action to shut them down and safe more innocent life from been ruined.

Just a short note on empowerism. The last opportunity to join Empowerism is December of 2004 when MVP (the third matrix/pyramid line) just launched. If you joined in May 2005, you are doomed to be donor. The chance of getting double in matrix/pyramid line is always limited to few "front row seat" (a term I borrowed from Janet directly. What a scammer! :shake: ) opportunists in the first week.

With the monthly subscription fees kicking in, most "member-turn-donor" will eventually lose out and return their doubled money (yes, right, empowerism is a doubler scam!! :mad: ) to the con-artist -- Janet. For those who give up paying subscription fee, your membership is conviniently canceled. :shake:

[surfer]

Welcome to Matrix Watch drankoolaid
and thank you for your story.

Ahhh, the lure of easy money and
"turnkey" systems. :head:

I suppose the "guru" you refer to
is very plugged in to profits, eh? lol
Last name happen to rhyme with
heavens? :evil: :p

As ycchen says, taking action is
always recommended against these
scams.

[minstrel]

Drankoolaid, my expereince with OPFM and Empowersim is much the same as yours.
In fact the forum for OPFM is the biggest laugh around. I have been in unpaid status now for over a month, so will not be joining any "flips" or "megaflips".

The latest in the forum is that thomas is ill, so ill he cannot continue with the flip that ws due to happen yesterday! I was once warned that usually scammers get an illness or a very close relative does, or even worse someone dies just before the S*** hits the fan.

Won't be long now and then I may be able to go in and post a "Told you so" in the forum! I wonder if they will remember me!!

for anybody who would like a laugh the url is: www.opfmforum.com
Mistrel

[drankoolaid]

Hi There All,

Thanks all for taking time out to reply to me.

I find myself coming here on a fairly regular
basis. While it is heart breaking to read about
the lives of so many good folks taken advantage
of -- it is also heart warming to realize the validation
that many find and knowing they are not alone.

There are some great resources here as well.

I run a few websites one of which had Empowerism
and YMMSS outbound links. These will now redirect
to Matrix Watch. It's not much but it may help a few
avoid the money pit that these 'opportunities.'

I received a 1099 from YMMSS -- misc income
-- as they have no SSI # for me. I am currently
drafting a scam letter to be copied to every
suggested resource on this site. For me it isn't
a money issue. My 'donation' has been relatively
small .. the thing that hurts most is being associated
with these bottom feeders in the first place.

Now I'm receiving a 1099 for money i will never
see -- simply so some scum bucket can further
attempt to legitimize a scam that needs ending.

Mistrel thanks for your reply as well. Check back
often .. I will be too!

God Bless All

drinking less koolaid these days

[opendoor]

I feel sorry for all you people. OPFM is the greatest program around.
Just because someone could not take your, mere 24.95 and turn it into millions overnight does not make it a scam.

I will be in here to post my earinings from it very soon, just to put you in your place.

[Ferret]

http://forum.ourpowerforcedmatrix.com/

Due to some people stealing passwords, posting passwords, and abusing the forum rules, communication via the forum is suspended until further notice.

For all updates please view the MEMBER CENTER.

For Communications, please use your Downlines in OPFM, Empowerism, $24 plan and T2G to talk to your up and downlines.

Be on the conferance calls for the most current updates
Conferance call scheduling is in the member center

*** DO NOT EMAIL HELP OR MANAGEMENT ABOUT THIS LOCK DOWN **


I am sorry for what a few do to ruin it for many....


Wayne Merritt
Forum Moderater
Mgmt

[opendoor]

Thanks Wayne for that info, I am glad someone is watching out for us


Laughing all the way to the bank with OPFM

[Ferret]

Thanks Wayne for that info, I am glad someone is watching out for us

Laughing all the way to the bank with OPFM
lol lol That forum lock down wouldn't have anything to do with the huge number of complaints about your OPFM scam would it?
When ponzi site forums get locked it is because too many people have caught onto the scam
Don't worry they will be here on MW complaining very soon ;)

If you are Laughing all the way to the bank with OPFM then you must be
Wayne or one of his friends

[opendoor]

Sorry Wrong again as usual, I don't know Wayne or any of the managers.

Funny how people think that just because it is in print and you say it, that it must be true. Well you have nothing to prove that it was not locked down for the reasons that this Wayne had stated.

Again wrong again

[Ferret]

Sorry Wrong again as usual, I don't know Wayne or any of the managers.

Funny how people think that just because it is in print and you say it, that it must be true. Well you have nothing to prove that it was not locked down for the reasons that this Wayne had stated.

Again wrong again
lol lol lol The reasons for the lock down are ridiculous and so are you

Lots of unhappy people posting here where they can't be censored

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/lofiversion/index.php/t22709-200.html

Apr 15 2006, 02:15 AM
This is a post to the independent Flip Team forum, written by a person in OPFM......

Here are just a few of the many promises Thomas has made and the actual outcomes. I for one have tried to be positive throughout this whole ordeal but am really getting discouraged with the whole program.

I’m also getting very tired of Thomas’ redundancies. I’ve come to the conclusion that we could just listen to the very first OPFM conference call and hear the exact same mumbo jumbo that we’re still hearing today.

The guy rambles on and on without giving us any new information and wasting two or three hours of our time. And he’s totally unwilling to listen to anyone’s concerns or ideas. I could really sense Dwayne’s frustration on the call last night. As a matter of fact, I don’t think Dwayne even stayed on the call for the duration. I can’t say as I blame him for that. Thomas totally dismissed him as he tried to express his feelings.

I also started becoming very suspicious when they locked the Forum down. I don’t buy into this excuse that someone was stealing passwords. I mean maybe that did happen but it sure sounds a bit out there.

Okay, I sent the E-mail that I have pasted below on the 30th March 2006 in response to a PM I received complaining that I was much too critical of OPFM.
Here it is (the names have been changed to protect the innocents!)

Hey Kelly,
I,ve been with OPFM since November, got a downline in
OPFM and 24 plan and have now team2gold.
Am I in profit, NO.
Have I broken even, NO
Am I making a loss, Yes.

I am merely calling it as I see it, nothing more
nothing less. MMG is a public forum where all views on
any program should be displayed, it is NOT supposed to
be a cheerleading forum. The whole point of the MMG
forum is for people to express their views and allows
others to read ALL the views before jumping into any
program. I for one wouldn't tell anyone that OPFM is
the program they need to be in because it will make
them rich, that remains to be seen.
If the idea of making a few $59 payments is gonna make
you rich then that is your perogative but I for one
am yet to be impressed by Mr.Thompson's talk.
Sure he talks the talk and usually way too much but as
yet hasn't shown he can walk the walk.
The whole point of OPFM is that ALL members see the
benefits. Just because a few who were fortunate to be
placed at the top of this matrix doesnt mean that this
program has suddenly become successful.
It was forecast by the OPFM management that $20,000
would be a realistic figure that members could expect
to get after anout 6 months in OPFM, well it's nearly
4 months for me and quite frankly I would be happy to
just see $1000 from OPFM.
What I'm saying is OPFM is not making any REAL money
yet, If you get excited about making a few hundred
bucks that's fine but I'm expecting a whole lot more.
I consider my post in the MMG forum as a whole lot
more useful than any cheerleading post to any
potential OPFM
prospect.

I stand by what I said and even more so now that Team2Gold hasn't turned out the way it was described, yet again by Mr.Thompson, but hey am I suprised?

[Gilbert]

Don't you think opendoor displays that kool-aid kind of mentality associated with the brainwashed brigade of "in-denials"?

Don't worry opendoor, when you finally realise you're being taken for a ride on the idiot carousel, MW will be here for you to come back and air your grievances. We've all been there ourselves don't worry.

Now be a good little victim and run along and take other peoples' money - until somebody comes along and takes yours. That's the way it goes - like it or not.

Oh - and I hope you can actually get at your money - kind of difficult without a payment processor. :shake: :shake: :crazy: :shake:

[opendoor]

You guys are all talk, why don't you put up or shut up.
Where is any of your proof, other than it has not been done in your time.

Please show me some proof that this is a scam, I would like to see it.
Please not your opinions, PROOF. Don't want to hear about all your other programs either, PROOF.

And going by your definition of a ponzi, there are many out there. Why are you attacking the best program out there? Is it hurting your other programs that you are in?. You have no one else at this point and time to slander.

Why don't you wake up, and realize that I am right and you are wrong.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.

[minstrel]

Opendoor

You want proof??

Go to www.flipteam.forumsplace.com

There are 177 users registered in there, of which 99% (including yourself) are bleating and wailing about OPFM.

The other 1% are managers in disguise!

Minstrel

[Webwatch]

Opendoor:

You seem to have a real problem with anyone who disagrees with you, this is a cult mentatlity and does show why you are easy prey for these schemes.

Proof: This forum is full of proof why Pyrmaid/Ponzis/Matrix Schemes fail please take some time to view older threads to see how these schemes collapse. OPFM will just be another failure in a long line of scams, what you should notice is that OPFM is a joke name in my opinion by the founders and what it really stands for is Other Peoples ('F' Word) Money :) .

As you bought this thread back to life you must take the responsibilty for the attack on this Ponzi Scheme as without your post it may have gone unnoticed for a while. Thank you for bringing it too our attention again.

Why don't you wake up, and realize that I am right and you are wrong.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.Surely you can be a bit more original than this, using school childrens expressions in a grown up discussion makes you like a silly billy:) . May as well just wave the white flag now and give up.

If you do ever realise that you are in scam and want our assistance we will be more than happy to help.

Opendoor the phrase laughingallthewaytothebank seems a common expression on a few other forums I visit, your name isn't Shannon by any chance is it (just a guess).

[Ferret]

You guys are all talk, why don't you put up or shut up.
Where is any of your proof, other than it has not been done in your time.

Please show me some proof that this is a scam, I would like to see it.
Please not your opinions, PROOF. Don't want to hear about all your other programs either, PROOF.

And going by your definition of a ponzi, there are many out there. Why are you attacking the best program out there? Is it hurting your other programs that you are in?. You have no one else at this point and time to slander.

Why don't you wake up, and realize that I am right and you are wrong.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.
lol lol lol :p Hi BOB, If you like OPFM so much why are you bad mouthing it on the forum link
http://www.flipteam.forumsplace.com/post-2325.html&highlight=#2325

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 120
Location: Amazing Western Colorado
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:31 am Post subject:

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Rrrogue??? I shall give them rrogue!!! I daresay fair mademoiselle that they would tremble in their boots and run hither rather than pick up the gauntlet that has been cast at their feet! "En garde! Vous menteurs malheureux! Préparez pour se défendre! Tous pour un et un pour tous!"

I really write these just to see how much they are reading and paying attention!

They know who I am and they can email me if they like.

God knows I've written to both of them enough times, begging and pleading for some information! Some answers! Something! Anything! :p

But when you have nothing to say that's believable, you say nothing and hope the person (me) just goes away!

That will not happen! Because I have just about enough left in my e-gold account to purchase a domain name for a special project I have in mind. And you know, I can find dozens of places I can host it for free.

Now I won't be crass and register something like "opfmsucks.com" but I certainly won't pull any punches either. Hell, it just might get enough traffic from all the OPFM web searches to be able to sell some ad space too. Then at least I could finally realize a little income from this whole "affair"!

Anyway, you get my drift. I have a feeling I just might be able to find a few folks out there who would give me testimonials about how well OPFM worked for them and how they were treated by that fine organization!

I have to stop now, because I'm starting to do that evil laugh, you know the one, "muuu-ha-ha-ha"

Bob

[minstrel]

This was posted by opendoor just a few minutes ago in the flipteamforum!!!!

"opendoor



Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 120
Location: Amazing Western Colorado

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Gosh jo, do you think maybe Jafitz made that up! Laughing

A $1,000???? How much is that in pounds Jaf?

Too bad he won't come back in here.....

But you are lurking from time to time, aren't you Jaf? Wink

This is getting funnier all the time!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hey folks, read my lips; "IT'S A SCAM!" Cool
_________________

[Ferret]

You guys are all talk, why don't you put up or shut up.
Where is any of your proof, other than it has not been done in your time.

Please show me some proof that this is a scam, I would like to see it.
Please not your opinions, PROOF. Don't want to hear about all your other programs either, PROOF.

And going by your definition of a ponzi, there are many out there. Why are you attacking the best program out there? Is it hurting your other programs that you are in?. You have no one else at this point and time to slander.

Why don't you wake up, and realize that I am right and you are wrong.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.
http://www.flipteam.forumsplace.com/post-2411.html&highlight=#2411
OPFM contacts me re: pulling out of $24plan
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject:

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Do we all get it yet? I think this dead horse needs to be buried because it surely isn't going to run no matter how long we beat on it!

EVERY move and requirement given to us IS more posturing by the OPFM elite to keep us dragging along for just a little bit longer, spending our money into their pockets.

I can almost hear their twittering laughter as they mandate the next required step to "growing wealth".

Holy crap, you have to call it what it is! A scam! A ripoff!

First of all, look at the so called "products" we are getting in these marvelous companies:

- Advertising ??
- Marketing Training ?? (You have to buy most of the books listed in Emp. That is nothing more than Janet selling a ton of stuff as an affiliate!)
- Leads - HA HA HA HA (has anybody actually been able to contact the great Empowerism leads?)
- Banner Credits ? (I am sure we are all getting rich promoting stuff with T2G banners, NOT!)

Don't you see it my friends? There is nothing of substance here. It is only about the money for recruiting, pure and simple! Sure they have their legal butts covered because they have these "lame-o products", but on closer inspection, these businesses are illegal pyramids by definition and there is nothing that is going to change that. Somebody always loses!!!

Why do we continously believe these bas_____s!!??? Look at all of the businesses we have been led into. They are all so thin it's not funny! The only one that actually has a tangible product is LHN and most of us can't even get close to that because of the Don Garlick wallet cleaning system!!!!!!! And what the hell is the product in the 2x2x3??? And then the OPFM matrices????? There is nothing!! It's only the money!!!

I am cancelling my Emp and $24 Plan immediately now because I just finally convinced myself!!! And, I will also do everything in my power to keep people away from such things in the future!!!

I am going back to promoting my little Jerky :D Direct business http://coxxxxxxxxxx.com/ (Shameless plug! Hell I AM still a marketer! But at least I am honest about it!)
where I actually have a downline and I actually get a product every month that I love! It's not a big moneymaker, but at least I don't have to apologize to anyone I have brought into the fold. I have lots of resources at my disposal that I have wasted since October on this half-a__sed, hare-brained scheme of Thomas Thompson aka "The Great Pretender" and I am going to use them for building real businesses only from now on!

We basically have been victims of our own greed. That's how he convinced us to go along with him in the first place! Don't you see it???

I am embarassed at myself for being so blind! The same thing happened to many of us who were involved in the 12dailypro scheme. We will believe anyone if they say they will make us money for doing hardly any work! That is our downfall. I just look back over my Internet marketing career and see the bad turns I've made by listening to the kind of crap we are being fed here and everytime I lost money.

Yet, when I look at businesses that were legitimate and where I had to work a little to make it happen, I made money, everytime! I haven't gotten rich yet but had I not been sidetracked by every program along the way like OPFM, I just might be getting rich by now. I'll never really know!

I'll stop now because I am almost making myself cry as it all becomes even clearer to me.

God loves you all and so do I! What a darn fine group of people!!!

Good luck in whatever you decide!

Bob
"opendoor"
Bob, Thanks for your testimonial on OPFM
"Some People hate to admit when they are wrong".lol :D :p

[Webwatch]

So is opendoor not opendoor here but someone who opendoor upset on another forum pretending to be opendoor here:confused: .
So if opendoor (the one who is posting here) is a opfm forum mod or another pro opfm cheerleader, why bother coming here to promte a scheme that is already failing and in the last death throws of its existence.

Sure makes for a nice Friday morning (UK Timezone) bit of amusement anyway.

So come on opendoor (the one who's posting here) fill us in whats your objective is it to promote another failing scam or discredit a member of another forum who has upset you.

[minstrel]

http://flipteam.forumsplace.com/message297.html

makes an interesting read ~ note the comments by opendoor!!

[Ferret]

So is opendoor not opendoor here but someone who opendoor upset on another forum pretending to be opendoor here:confused: .
So if opendoor (the one who is posting here) is a opfm forum mod or another pro opfm cheerleader, why bother coming here to promte a scheme that is already failing and in the last death throws of its existence.

Sure makes for a nice Friday morning (UK Timezone) bit of amusement anyway.

So come on opendoor (the one who's posting here) fill us in whats your objective is it to promote another failing scam or discredit a member of another forum who has upset you.
Either way it makes OPFM look bad lol
as the opendoor on the other forum does a great job of summing up OPFM

[Webwatch]

Some excellent posts by opendoor (The real one not our opendoor) on the other forum.

Could the real opendoor (Bob) please join us to defend himself against this imposter who has pinched his username:D

[sisco50]

So is opendoor not opendoor here but someone who opendoor upset on another forum pretending to be opendoor here:confused: .
So if opendoor (the one who is posting here) is a opfm forum mod or another pro opfm cheerleader, why bother coming here to promte a scheme that is already failing and in the last death throws of its existence.

Sure makes for a nice Friday morning (UK Timezone) bit of amusement anyway.

So come on opendoor (the one who's posting here) fill us in whats your objective is it to promote another failing scam or discredit a member of another forum who has upset you.

More likely just too much time on his/her hands. :)

[drankoolaid]

Hmmm Open Door is a closed book
[not OUR open door -- THEIR open door]

Now then if a man never reads a closed book
will anybody ever hear it?

sorry couldn't help myself

[goatroper]

Hello My Esteemed Scam Killers At MatrixWatch! :bow:

I am humbled to know there are those of you who care. :D

I think the "opendoor" in this forum is pretty childish to continue these cheap shots, but then intellectually, I guess that is all he is capable of. I have vowed many times on these forums to never engage in a duel of wits with an unarmed man and I will not abandon that stand now. lol

I just find it extremely amusing that the insider group at OPFM feels so threatened by the truth when it is spoken freely, that they enlist the talents of someone such as this person who first took it upon himself to hack the Independent Flip Team Forum and eliminate every post pertaining to OPFM and the host of illegal programs being touted there.

This is common behavior for those engaging in questionable business practices. Figuring that the fire of dissension and truth-seeking can be put out by their cheap parlor tricks and tacky hacking. But they persist, not realizing that when the leak in the dam has reached the level of discontent present in the OPFM ranks, no amount of forum hacking or fingers plugging holes in the dike is going to stop the truth from being heard and the guilty, if indeed they are, from facing the music.

The biggest downfall of the "plan" as I see it was the total lack of answers to tough questions. When they began to be asked, responsible parties would have stood there and fielded them with honest facts and integrity, but the powers that be in OPFM avoided them and shut people off. That coincided very closely to the lockdown of the group forum. Nice, transparent business dealings eh? :rolleyes:

I hope that those intelligent, discerning souls among you know who I am and that the reason I have been so childishly and maliciously set upon was because of the words I spoke, revealing the devil where he was feeding upon the flesh of the innocent. He doesn't sit tight for that. :flame:

The truth shall reign supreme! :)

Git-R-Done!

p.s. I almost forgot to thank drankoolaid for the slap in the face that woke me up and made me see the light re: OPFM. What an inspiration you have been to me! I saw the post in this thread and the scales fell from my eyes and the denial was lifted so I could be humbled with the truth. It was either that or when my wife slapped the crap out of me when she said, "When are you going to realize that these are ALL scams!??"

[goatroper]

This was posted by opendoor just a few minutes ago in the flipteamforum!!!!

"opendoor



Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 120
Location: Amazing Western Colorado

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Gosh jo, do you think maybe Jafitz made that up! Laughing

A $1,000???? How much is that in pounds Jaf?

Too bad he won't come back in here.....

But you are lurking from time to time, aren't you Jaf? Wink

This is getting funnier all the time!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hey folks, read my lips; "IT'S A SCAM!" Cool
_________________

Just so everyone knows, this is where I p@%#ed off the "NEW OPENDOOR"! :rolleyes:

[Webwatch]

Welcome goatroper

Please feel free to use this thread as gathering place for any members of OPFM who would like to get together in the search for Justice, or simply wish to discuss their experienece.

We also welcome any OPFM founders to come over and explain why they believe OPFM isn't a scam and answer any allegations against them (Yeah like thats going to happen :) ).

Its also unlikely the opendoor impersonator is going to show up again but I would like to thank him/her for bringing this OPFM Scam to our attention.

One downside is that it is often difficult to get any funds back from these scams but the more OPFM victims that can be bought on board (even if its just to share their experience) the better.

Our strength will always be in numbers but even if we manage to stop one person getting involved in these scams our efforts can be considered worthwhile.

[Richynotsorich]

Hello People,
Well the ship has not finally sunk at OPFM but hey Religions are different to Businesses
There are so many things wrong with this one that you could write an E-Book...more than 40 pages of dibble...lol (his latest e-book "How to grow your hair back" something like that)
What does it take for people to realise....life savings, friends and family?
Sure a select few are starting to see some money(and not much by the sound of things) 2 members + 12 Days = $11,776sounds pretty alright doesn't it....yet people have been forking out heaps of money for this, that and the other for nearly two years.
Lets face it Thomas T and Frankie are pros
OPFM=Other Peoples F***ing Money
Would you trust a man that writes a webpage that says this (was a big secret and is now off line as of a few days ago. The lie about this one is unreal to say the least...members where given the most lame excuse and pointed to another site pleasegivemeadollar.com which was not created until late Nov 2006 but where told this site was just used as a test in 2005 (just another big load of rubbish)

Please, Please, Please!!!

I was once very successful.
I worked hard. Made a lot of money for the man. Dedicated my life to the man. And in the end...The man screwed me over.

Please, I will never forget you.

You never know who I am or what could happen if you send me a dollar. If you send me an email I will not give it to anyone, and it just might change both of our lives.

You may be very, very surprised what this act of random kindness may bring.

One day soon I will be on top again.
Hopefully, you won't need my help, but if you do, send me an email.

Today's date is January 23, 2005. Tomorrow I am going to get a P.O. Box
so that you can send me a dollar or a check, or more if you wish. Also, below is an email address so you can write me. If you don't have a dollar to spare and you just want to drop me an email, that's great too.

Got the P.O. Box:
Thompson
#147
7349 N. Via Paseo Del Sur, Ste 515
Scottsdale, AZ 85258-3749
Contact Information
Email :
pleasehelp@ohpleasgivemeadollar.com (don't use this link as it may have a traking cookie)

[Richynotsorich]

OPFM......
"Congratulations - you've been scammed in one of the biggest and ugliest scams ever devised in the Short History of the Internet"


:)

[Richynotsorich]

The of the last posts to the OPFM forum before it was locked up to a so called security breach.(just another lie)early on 10-3-07

Written by someone in Management


PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY -

During the months of OCT and NOV of 2006 the management team of OPFM had a MEETING and was told by Patt Duncanson that Thomas Thompson was VERY ILLand Had Cancer. We were to keep this information between us, as to not scare the "Family" . As time went on (like 24 hours) some of this information leaked out, but obviously not enough to scare anybody from quitting OPFM by thinking that Thomas may be in really bad health.
Recap: Thomas had cancer, management was to keep quiet.
Next: Since that day way back in early October of 2006, suspicion increased by the team members, and management as to what Thomas was really doing. We were told by Patt, through Thomas, that he was going through a NEW TYPE of Cancer Treatment, an experimental cancer treatment, if you will. We were told that he was VERY VERY SICK and this treatment was "BRAND NEW", never tested on anyone before. We were still privy to this information and sworn not to tell anyone.
Recap: Thomas has cancer, and special experimental treatments for first time in history were being done for him, Still Only known by Management, and sworn to keep it that way, per Patt's Instructions.
During some online training or after a conference call, not sure which, through the Online Conference room, one of our managers had a pretty good offer from a Private Investigator, at a good price, who was a member of OPFM. This PI was asked to trace the MAY- NOV time frame of Thomas, based on the strange "experimental cancer treatment" we were told about and never heard of, and then no address ever given of thistreatment facilty so the management team and family can send him flowers or get well wishes. This is strange behavior. Family members were asking for this info, just to send flowers, and nothing was ever given. Not even to the OPFM management team. Never an address or anything.
Recap: Thomas has cancer, he was getting special treatment, never before done, and has no treatment facilty to tell us about. Suspicous PI tells management he can help, and check out MAY-NOV timeframes of where Thomas was during these 2 , almost 2 and a half months of treatment. The Family wanted to send flowers.
Well , this report is in, and below you will see exactly what we found out of Thomas Thompsons where-abouts during his "cancer treatment". in the months of Oct and Nov 2006.
The below map outlines Thomas' Travels during this NEW cancer treatment. You will see Numbers which represent the places he stayed at during this time.
. Right around the Middle Of December, Management received an EMAIL from Patt in a manager update stating that THOMAS said the OPERATION WAS A SUCCESS. Here is an Insert from that 5 Dec Email............
Hi Management Team
We will be having a brief update call tonight.
Thomas called just a few minutes ago, The procedure was a success!!
He is progressing wonderfully and he should be home with--in the next 7 days. :) If everything goes as planned, once he is released; he will be back at home and in the office the very next day depending on flights........

Here is an Insert from Thomas' Email to the OPFM FAMILY (20 Dec 2006)
As the long hours continued, the days began to run together. At first, my body began to defy me in small ways. Massive pain in my back from sitting at my desk, throbbing headaches that would get so bad I would become ill, blurred memories, trembling fingers, and painful insomnia. Still, I never felt afraid. I had a huge task in front of me and my physical body certainly wasn't even in my top ten concerns. All I could think of and all of my focus was to get everything done NOW! All I wanted and all I still want is to do my part to help get our entire OPFM family to that beautiful place that we all want and deserve, and to help get us there as soon as possible. I figured I would get some rest after the work was done. Then, as endless days went by my body began to defy me more and more until finally it failed me. Now and for the first time, I was afraid. Not so much for myself. As I layed there I was tormented. I blamed myself for allowing this to happen. How could I be so weak? How could I let everyone down?
Another insert from one email that you can read that came out on Dec 21st - Thomas is thanking you all again!!!
Dear OPFM Family,
Thank you all for the opportunity that you have given me. I have faced the most challenging couple of months of my life and at the worst time to do so and I do not think I would be here today had it not been for the love you have shown me.
How Thomas will fool you again:
He will send more money to some of you
He Will Claim Rouge Managers (watch the Caine Mutiny - Good Movie)
He will "SWAY" you again on the Tuesday Call
He will have some call the bigger investors of OPFM to "SWAY" them and lie some more.
Cover-ups will be in FULL SWING.


Congratulations - you've been scammed in one of the biggest and ugliest scams ever devised in the Short History of the Internet
Follow the Map From October 13th , Scotsdale AZ to Dec 12th in Las Vegas NV.
The Green Outlineis the approx travel routes outlined with Elite Hotel Stays along the path.

So until the Next Tuesday Hype Call.............
Enjoy the Ride Below, You paid for it.

[Richynotsorich]

I came across this one some time ago and forgot all about it...Do you believe this one..A press release(more like just an ad to several of his seedy sites)http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prwebxml248141.php (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/6/prwebxml248141.php)
The more you look The more you find

Many people put all there hopes and dreams into OPFM and will be deviated I'm sure.

[mercinary]

Richynotsorich:

So has this scheme shut down, or is the site just closed temporarily?

-Merc

[Richynotsorich]

Merc,
The forum at OPFM has been locked down and the member centre (one of the most out of date , extremly hard to navigate and built by a so called programmer(Thomas T) with free software etc etc etc) is sill up With no update on the situation...I can't believe that the Law has not steeped in as yet...time will tell....some more lies, lame excuses. We are talking about a Man that many worship and believe everything he says...this has been going on for nearly two years....

Waco Texas comes to mind

[svenska33]

So...with the OPFM forum finally locked down....does this mean that I now can call my friend and tell her "see....I told you it is a scam... now give me the money back that you "made me" send them.."

My friend must have just downed those shots of Kool-Aid because boy did she go nuts when she met "God" Thomas Thompson and OPFM. He could do nothing wrong, no matter what and the guy doesn't even lie well!!

My friend would not take no for an answer, she was relentless and since I didn't want to lose our friendship over $59 dollar or whatever it was, I finally gave in and joined!! That OPFM was a scam, hello...,, was crystal clear to me and everybody else that she got to sign up but since we always have known her to be a extremely smart and intelligent person with a lot of common sense we thought that maybe, maybe there was a chance that OPFM was not a scam because clearly she could not be that stupid could she....

I am actually going to miss the OPFM forum because I used to go there for a good laughlol and boy...was there a lot to laugh about! Very interesting indeed..

my advice is::nono: stay away from the Kool-aid, drink Vodka instead

svenska33

[Webwatch]

Hello Svenska and welcome to Matrixwatch.
I hope your relationship with your friend is strong enough to recover from this.

When these scams collapse usually the longest lasting effect is the emotional ones through lost friendships.

I have noticed with other scams that a lot of friendships are made in the scams main forum and when these close a lot of those forum friends can be lost.

If you like feel free to start a thread in our off topic section to stay in touch with any old forum friends, just send them the link and you could have more laughs together.

Vodka and Red Bull is my favourite tipple.:crazy:

[ptaylor]

The of the last posts to the OPFM forum before it was locked up to a so called security breach.(just another lie)early on 10-3-07

Written by someone in Management

This is really sad, because there were so many nice people that really had a lot of faith in this man. I hope they will come to this forum where we can get together again.

[Richynotsorich]

svenska33

Hope you haven't lost any REAL friends over the Our Power Forced Matrix program (OPFM Scam by Thomas Thompson) that would be a shame.
I too was warned to stay well clear of it by a family member(real family) not the Thomas Thompson family.
I have lost no real friends as I did not attempt to signup any. Oh except for my very best friend but she never paid any money to Our Power Forced Matrix(Thomas Thompson) and has always said to me "if no one has to pay, where's the money coming from". Oh you do have to pay your initial joining fee and can pay for as many others as you wish top idea that one Mr Thomas Thompson :nono: . So many pay for new members even before they are sure the newbies are interested.
I would like to ask Thomas Thompson from OPFM (ourpowerforcedmatrix) this, "not where's the money coming from" but where is all the money".
Sure a few members have stated to get teeny weeny amounts in the past few weeks just to calm the masses, and all of these where regular OPFM forum users that were strong believers and some even worship the hide away in the cupboard man Mr Thomas Thompson (so busy working for his team/family that he had no time to talk with or answer any of there concerns.)
Remember this "if it sounds too good to be true, it more than likely is not true"

[svenska50right]

Dear Svenska33:applause:
I must say that (insult removed from post by administrator. Please read forum rules!) in your last post...why the hell did you sign up and pay if you knew that opfm was a scam?
How did any body "make you" pay .....
I personally had a feeling opfm was to good to be true but my hope of making money made me stay even after team2gold didn't pay as promised. I figured that as long as I don't have to pay any more it didn't cost anything to sit and wait to see what would happen. I said that ...until I se Thomas Thompson in handcuffs I will have that little hope still flickering. But regarding you and your friends that was "forced" by your other friend to join opfm....well that is what cults are all about. A bunch of people that have (ditto) and need to blame their doing's on somebody else, after the fact. You are like (ditto) following that friend since she is so smart in your eyes. You should call and tell her" I told you so"........but I have a feeling she is above your need to proove your point...
(ditto) oh one more thing....where did she meet Thomas Thompson?
:p

Administrator note: I HATE to edit a post this thoroughly, but it was riddled with insults and personal attacks. All against our forum rules. Consider yourself warned.

[SSJJ]

Just wanted to share a little scratchpad math.

Consider this, OPFM has approximately 89,000 members.
How many have shown commissions or received payment?
And, what percentage?

We see some members posting as paid, and not all who were paid will post.
But based on approximate numbers, maybe 200 or 250 as paid.
250 would be 0.28% of total members paid.

But yes, that not all members will qualify for commissions.

If one third of members are qualified for even minor commissions = 29,666
250 / 29,666 = 0.8% of qualified members have seen payment. Yes, less than 1%

And then consider this calculation,
at only 3 months processing for each 0.8% of the QUALIFIYING members to be paid,
that equals 31.25 YEARS for the first 29,666 to be paid.

Yeah, hold on to your socks!!! WOW, this going to be a ride!!! Remember hearing that?
Who will live long enough?

[Richynotsorich]

SSJJ,

That’s unreal except for one problem it's so much worse than that....you see the 89,000 odd members, is nothing like that amount, because you become an OUR POWER FORCED MATRIX member/number even before you have ever logged into the members center. So I'm not sure how many actually go past that first sign up stage (many wont just because of the security warnings) even thought they are technically members...
now my figures (and I have heaps in my OPFM genealogy, most unpaid and non active) tell me that paid/active members can be as little as1 % of your sign ups..now my math is shocking but you don't need to be a brain surgeon to work out that there are thousands of unpaid, unwilling, unmotivated, non active OPFM numbers/members out there.


Rich

[a_choo]

Dear Svenska33:applause:
I must say that (insult removed from post by administrator. Please read forum rules!) in your last post...why the hell did you sign up and pay if you knew that opfm was a scam?
How did any body "make you" pay .....
I personally had a feeling opfm was to good to be true but my hope of making money made me stay even after team2gold didn't pay as promised. I figured that as long as I don't have to pay any more it didn't cost anything to sit and wait to see what would happen. I said that ...until I se Thomas Thompson in handcuffs I will have that little hope still flickering. But regarding you and your friends that was "forced" by your other friend to join opfm....well that is what cults are all about. A bunch of people that have (ditto) and need to blame their doing's on somebody else, after the fact. You are like (ditto) following that friend since she is so smart in your eyes. You should call and tell her" I told you so"........but I have a feeling she is above your need to proove your point...
(ditto) oh one more thing....where did she meet Thomas Thompson?
:p

Administrator note: I HATE to edit a post this thoroughly, but it was riddled with insults and personal attacks. All against our forum rules. Consider yourself warned.

Yo Einstein - its was another MLM program with promises and Thomas is very good at speaking for 45 minutes and saying nothing. But the ole saying "Hinesight is 20/20" applies to your post quoted above.

A_CHOO

[minstrel]

You are absolutely right Rich......there are many who are unpaid and inactive, and I'm one of them! I have been unpaid and inactive for over a year now and there will be many more like me.

[Brat]

Hi everyone....
Normally I would not even bother to write about all this MLM stuff and scamming ... however I believe that everything should be done to stop it all once and for all.
I joined OPFM only cuz my brother asked me too and really believed this company (company...lololololl) was going to work. He along with many people so much needed the money. I didn't know a thing about this MLM stuff, however was willing to do anything to help my brother our financially.
I have to say this is as evil as it comes... ripping people off for money.
I must say I did meet some great people all around the world.... and will keep in touch with them.
I was warned a couple months back that this was a scam by a couple of managers. I did not WANT to believe that it was. I thought they were just using me because of their disappointments. I had emails telling me they were using me etc. etc. I am SO ashamed of myself that I did not believe them and I even repeated things they said I should NOT have. But in all honesty... I did at the time believe they were using me. There were so many LIES told in OPFM, you didn't know who to believe and who not to believe. I should have went by my GUT feeling when I was told this was a scam and giving facts to back it up. However... I cannot do anything about that now. I am ashamed for the fact that I do consider myself a child of God and I did things I should not have. Truth is ... I got caught up in it! So.... to all those I hurt please please forgive me. I believed OPFM to be REAL! I backed this company (company lololololol) to the very very end. How stupid I was!!!!!
I never thought I could be fooled as such! I will never again do this type of marketing... no way!
Like I said though... I did meet some wonderful good people and I will keep in touch with these people.
I still am in shock in a way.... didn't think people really would steal from the poor! Thomas and Frankie will answer one day to our Lord... that much I believe with all my heart. How dare they steal from those that trusted them.
How in the world do people like this lay their heads down at night?
They are as evil as they come!!!!!
Brat

[goatroper]

Hi Everyone, Goatroper here (the "real" opendoor from the OPFM forum).

I have been trying to come up with some words of wisdom for those who were fleeced by the T.T. and Frankie M. team in OPFM and all I can come up with is "when will we ever learn?"

Matrix schemes, doublers, HYIPs, autosurfs, and the rest of the "quick money" programs floating around the Internet are perfect examples of how the basic human emotion of "greed" is exploited. Charlatans like Thomas Thompson understand the human frailty and exploit that knowledge by appealing to our gut level desires. Any good copywriter does the same thing when preparing a sales letter too. It's psychology folks, and the sooner we all understand that and come to grips with it, the easier we can protect ourselves from it.

Now, I'm not saying it is all bad, because in reality, we are all engaged in that same process as we go through life. We are all selling something. When you write your resume, try to impress a future mate, work hard in school for good grades or any other daily routine, we are working for some kind of acceptance or buy-in to what we are doing. I use it all the time myself and have written many "salesletters" over my lifetime. As long as your motives are pure and honest ;) and that you aren't seeking to pull the wool over someone's eyes, it is all well and good. But, when it takes that nasty turn to evil and untruth :nono: , people get hurt and someone profits from others innocence. People such as that, as we have all said, should have trouble sleeping at night. Alas, it just isn't so. TT and FM are just another couple of shysters in a long, never ending line of con artists that will continue preying on the masses forever.

Fortunately, there exist communities such as this one, that cater to our knowledge needs and where we can support one another as well as warn other fish before they are fried. That is all we can hope for!

OPFM was poorly conceived, horribly executed and unbelievably silly in its content. However, the HYPE was strong enough to cause many of us to buy into it anyway. There were constant signs along the way that should have made us all bail out sooner, but the "ole carrot" of great wealth was still being dangled effectively enough to keep us holding on "just a little longer". I personally suffered a financial loss of around $200 or so which wasn't much, but when I was attacked by someone sympathetic to OPFM through email threats (physical harm) to me and my family and DDOS attacks on two of my domains, I knew these people were clearly miscreants. (I was vulnerable and trusted them so I did not hide my identity or where I was. BIG MISTAKE!) These things happened when I asked pointed questions which were received with hostility and of course when I lit up the forum with my opinion of what was happening. I needed to be silenced!

So, have I learned anything? Darn tootin'! I have never since that time given any credence to any programs of that nature and have immediately deleted any suggestions by friends and others to join them in such ventures. I refuse to be cajoled or tempted any more. There are plenty of good opportunities out there that are legal and honest and with some hard work and a good attitude, can provide an income stream or two. But it isn't magic and it won't happen overnight!

So, bottom line is; "Keep your head up, tune out the baloney and listen to your heart and common sense. If it sounds too good to be true it is! And above all, keep your integrity and honesty intact and you will be rewarded.

God Bless!

Bob

[Brat]

Hi everyone....
Normally I would not even bother to write about all this MLM stuff and scamming ... however I believe that everything should be done to stop it all once and for all.
I joined OPFM only cuz my brother asked me too and really believed this company (company...lololololl) was going to work. He along with many people so much needed the money. I didn't know a thing about this MLM stuff, however was willing to do anything to help my brother our financially.
I have to say this is as evil as it comes... ripping people off for money.
I must say I did meet some great people all around the world.... and will keep in touch with them.
I was warned a couple months back that this was a scam by a couple of managers. I did not WANT to believe that it was. I thought they were just using me because of their disappointments. I had emails telling me they were using me etc. etc. I am SO ashamed of myself that I did not believe them and I even repeated things they said I should NOT have. But in all honesty... I did at the time believe they were using me. There were so many LIES told in OPFM, you didn't know who to believe and who not to believe. I should have went by my GUT feeling when I was told this was a scam and giving facts to back it up. However... I cannot do anything about that now. I am ashamed for the fact that I do consider myself a child of God and I did things I should not have. Truth is ... I got caught up in it! So.... to all those I hurt please please forgive me. I believed OPFM to be REAL! I backed this company (company lololololol) to the very very end. How stupid I was!!!!!
I never thought I could be fooled as such! I will never again do this type of marketing... no way!
Like I said though... I did meet some wonderful good people and I will keep in touch with these people.
I still am in shock in a way.... didn't think people really would steal from the poor! Thomas and Frankie will answer one day to our Lord... that much I believe with all my heart. How dare they steal from those that trusted them.
How in the world do people like this lay their heads down at night?
They are as evil as they come!!!!!
Brat

[minstrel]

Hi Bob,

Nice to hear from you again...

Jilly (minstrel)

[goatroper]

I appreciate hearing from online friends! Glad to know you're around!

Bob