Kanosis - pyramid money or coil?

[ycchen]

Here is a piece of advice from a kanosian who claims to have the strongest "pyramid" within the "company" still in the pre-launch phrase!

I thought kanosis is all about the priviledge of using the Coil software that is 2 years ahead of Microsoft? lol lol

"get in first" .. to make easy money is a standard recruiting pitch that drive the kanosis membership, which the kanosis executive (or at least Jim) flatly deny!

http://www.kanosis.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34

How To Build Your Downline : Introducing Potential Distributors to Kanosis

First you must familiarize yourself with the Company, its business model and its product. You cannot sell something you do not understand. Once the release version of COIL is available, I recommend that you move all your contacts and files to it. You have to be able to tell people what you like about the product.
The reason my downline is currently the strongest in the Company is because I mastered the product concept and the advantages of the Kanosis business model.

The easiest way to do this is to go to www.kanosis.com and listen to the online audio presentation and read about the company. That will give you a feel for their product (COIL) and their business model. This document will also help.

It is essential also to listen on the conference calls - they will help you get up to speed. At the date of writing this document, I have been on about 10 calls and I learn something every time. The conference call schedule is as follows (all times American CST):
7:30PM Tuesday
7:30 PM Thursday
4:00 PM Saturday
The telephone number for these calls is: +1 (641) 793-7500
Access Code: 141829

Here's how I sell Kanosis: I ask people the question (in bold below)

•I then tell them to get on a conference call and listen.
•I then ask them if they are ready to sign up now (most are)
•Some have questions - I answer the questions. I don't get into too much detail on the product because it is not finished yet and won't be till early February. Remember, this company is in its pre-launch phase. This is the opportunity of a lifetime to get in first (which is where the easiest money is to be made)
•Then I ask them are they willing to sign up
If they are still not, I move on - not worth taking time to try to persuade someone when there are so many willing folks out there. The reason people hate MLMs (think Amway) is because they won't take no for an answer. Don’t antagonize accept their decision and move on.

I also succinctly present the business rationale for joining by asking a very simple question:
Would you be willing to risk less than US$100 for a chance to be making $US 36,000 per month ($US 432,000 per year) - possibly within 12 months?
It is tough to say no to a proposition like that!

You must also be careful on how you present the product. It is not a get rich quick scheme. It is a legitimate business opportunity and must be presented as such. You must not make financial inducements to people to join the business. For example you cannot say ”if you join this company you will make $30,000 a month”. You can explain the simple marketing plan and show them how much they will get paid on each subscription if they meet the requirements of the plan.

You need to sign up two people to qualify to receive commissions. That is the minimum requirement and you could stop there. It works better however if you sign up more than 2 and put the excess over 2 under people in your downline. It helps those underneath you and it helps you.

[ycchen]

Another kanosian sellling "Google and Napster ..phenomenon" "herbalife" and "join now .... on top". :shake:

http://www.usfreeads.com/454234-cls.html

Security Level the Banks and Federal Government Use

Kanosis is the hottest new online business opportunity on the next today!!!

The Internet is the phenomenon of our time! Companies like Google and Napster started as good ideas that literally EXPLODED on the business scene via cyberspace. Now seasoned executives from the technology, network marketing and service markets have joined together to found a new international company dedicated to serving members. The best thing is, their product rocks!

Think of your desktop (or labtop).... It has all your documents, pictures, movies, music, software, etc... right? Now if you to someone else computer, it doesnt have any of your stuff, of course its not your computer

Well Kanosis offers a product much like a 'virtual computer' which you can store ALL your documents, music, movies, software, etc... and you can access all of it ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD FROM ANY COMPUTER!!!! SWEET!!! Not to mention the security measure of kanosis were developed by the same guy who did the security for homeland security and the CIA!!! So Kanosis also becomes the absolute safest place to do all your transactions (yes the software has its own built in web browser!!! SO you can surf securely!!!) The name of kanosis' priemere product is called COIL.

In summary COIL is an integrated personal desktop interface that
facilitates all of your Communications (like voice, text/SMS, email, videomail etc), Entertainment (audio, movies), Business Management (via an integrated MLM toolkit) just to name a few

The famous former president of Herbalife, Steven W. is heading this Kanosis Enterprise. Right now there are 907,309,130 computers connected to the internet around the world (14% of the world population) and growing.

They conservatively estimate that within a year 10 million people will be connected with Kanosis and then it will explode exponentially in the years to follow !!! With only 2000 members currently signed up during this pre-launch phase and considering there powerful MLM (multi level marketing) 2 x 2 matrix structure, anyone who joins now is SURE to be on top of the pack when the launch at the end February!!!

To tour the website go to http://www.kanosis.com

if you are ready to get started just use the referral name (traveler)

If you have more questions contact me at traveler@kanosis.com

Kim

[ycchen]

"Full featured Movie Downloads", are they for free? :rolleyes:

Passive income ..... sure, only after you get 30 people in your downline to break even.

http://www.join-kanosis.com/

Intro
The Kanosis Opportunity
Pre-Launch

Kanosis offers you an opportunity to develop a global business. A business not bound by geography or by your own personal abilities.
* Are you concerned about the security of your PC?
* Do you need secure access to personal data while on the road?
* Do you need to "speak" a foreign language?
* Want more MONEY and more TIME to enjoy it?
* Are you being paid what you are worth?
* Do you have Multiple Streams of Passive Income?

Think back to 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Are you where you expected to be in life? If everything is great and you are not living paycheck to paycheck, then please close your browser now. Or kindly refer a friend to this web site and give them an opportunity to change their life... they may thank you for it.

If you are not where you expected to be in life, then read on.

Kanosis offers a fantastic product and a great opportunity to develop a global business. A business not limited by geography or by your own personal abilities.

How do we help you achieve Your goals? By doing two things:

First - Kanosis provides a world-class personal productivity and collaboration software tool called COIL®. This software tool delivers a secure place for you to accomplish many routine tasks as well as some cutting edge capabilities like Voice Over Internet Protocol (VOIP), Full featured Movie Downloads, Time Tracking, Project Management, Text Based Language Translation as well as more common things like File Sharing, Email, IM, more.
Get Better Software ! - Tired of Viruses & Spyware?

COIL® is built on Java® code and uses the same level of security that banks use.

Kanosis & COIL® - May soon become household names around the world in the same way that Google® and Skype® have become known.

Second - Kanosis provides you with the opportunity to get paid for something that you already do nearly every day of the week. Most of us tell others about some great place to eat or a great movie that we have just seen. In the same way, you can develop a steady stream of passive income as those that you have referred, in turn subscribe to the COIL® service from Kanosis.
Get Paid ! - Why not get paid for referrals?

Watch a Quick Intro to Kanosis by clicking on this link or for a short four minute recorded phone introduction to Kanosis call: 1-641-793-7509.

Questions or comments? Please write to me at xxxxxxx@kanosis.com

For detailed information about the Kanosis product or opportunity - Click Here

If you are ready to get started now, click on the following referral ID: XXXXXX. If needed, enter "abxxxxxx" on the signup page.

[ycchen]

Another kanosis recruiter ....

http://mjesales.com/kanosis/

An Invitation to Join Kanosis During The Pre-Launch Phase!

Get Better Software ! - Lock out Viruses and Spyware.
The Future of Secure Internet Activity is Here!

Kanosis.com & COIL� - Soon to become household names around the world in the same way that Google and Skype have become known. Kanosis.com offers you a way to use an outstanding, affordably priced, subscription based set of cool web applications in an very secure online environment. Things like VOIP, Music & Movie Downloads, Email, IM, Scheduling, Project Management, Money Management, to name just a few!

knosis: greek for KNOWLEDGE
kinisis: greek for ACTION/MOTION
enosis: greek for UNION

Join Our Fast Growing International Online Community!

Get Paid ! - Why not get paid for referrals too?

Watch A Short Intro To Kanosis By Clicking This Link

If you decide that you are interested in using this product while enjoying the opportunity to make an extra income, be sure to enter the following referral ID: mxxx. You will need this information ( mxxx ) on the sign up page.

Kanosis is expected to have as many as 600,000 members within just a few months of launching. Finding out about this now is like learning about Google before it was a household name. What could you have done with that information if you had known about it in advance?

Watch The Short Introduction To Kanosis Now

Please use " mxxx " as your referrer if you choose to join.

If you have any questions, please email xxxxxx@gmail.com

And Thank You For Visiting.

[ycchen]

Kanosisan top sites!

http://www.kanosis.org/topsites/

For those who are here long enough, you will remember the matrix ranking sites that record more than 300 sites of pyramid-matrix scams. Now the reanking sites were gone when the internet matrix scams falls apart especially in the U.S.. Of course, there are internet matrix scam sites still exist today. Many still struggle to put their illegal advertisements on eBay. :nono:

Take a close look at the kanosis ranking sites as more and more kanosis recruiters are desperately trying to get the first 30 downline to get even.

Soon, the market will be flooded with recruiters and saturated faster than their ridiculous number (1,000,000) and at anytime 94% of the kanosisian will not make enough money to cover their monthly subcription! It is just pure statistical imperative.

[ycchen]

Another recruiter providing interesting information about this money making opportunity. Scroll down to read the "CV" (commission value) of $22 per month if you buy other "stuff" from kanosian store.

In addition to paying $22 monthly subsciption for using a non-beta Coil :rolleyes: , you can build many pyramid by purchasing other "kanosian stuff" and committed to pay $22 CV per month! :eek:

Kanosis is getting more and more interesting each day -- revealing its true color of a pyramid scheme. Let's keep an eye on this latest pyramid scheme as it unfold, and I am sure they are more ways for individual to build more than one pyramids in this scheme. ;)

Like any pyramid scheme, you need to provide more than just one position for those habitual pyramid recruiters. So, buying "other stuff and pay $22 commission value each month" is the logical way to grow the pyramid business. :shake:

By the way, if you recruit 126 people under you, you can make $138 per month! lol (provide that these 126 people continue to pay their subscription ;) ) What if the last 80 members at the bottom of the pyramid fail to make money because they cannot get 30 downline underneath them? They might quit paying the $22 commission, right? So, what happen if 80 of them quit paying commission? :D

http://kanosiswindow.kanosis.org/whatiskanosis.htm

What is Kanosis?

A word from the Kanosis team:

*
Knosis (greek for knowledge)
*
Kinisis (greek for movement/motion)
*
Enosis (greek for joining together)

Right now there are 907,309,130 computers connected to the internet around the world (14% of the world population) and growing. Initiatives are underway around the world to connect more and more people and to bridge the digital divide (UN Initiative to Connect the World).

The power of this worldwide network remains largely untapped. Microsoft, with control of almost every computer desktop, has failed to allow people even a fraction of the benefit that people could enjoy by being connected to a global network. They protect their market position at the expense of the consumer, and pursue with a vengeance any company that threatens the status quo.

They have left people starving for more, as evidenced by the massive success of google, Skype and eBay. Yet even these successful companies are now controlled by corporate investors who are primarily interested in economic gain, and this reality will eventually choke the life out of their innovation and sense of community.

You are hereby invited to change this, and to help unleash the true power of a connected world community. We will do our part by providing you with amazing new software technology and with a business model that shares the economic benefit with each and every participant.

Together, we can change the world.

How The Kanosis Payment Matrix Works

Any individual, company, business may join Kanosis. You will require legitimate government issued ID as proof of Identity. You can register with Kanosis for $15 USD. This is an annual registration fee. There are NO commissions paid on this registration fee. For your $15 you receive your own personal web page, a Uniclear bank account with a debit card attached and a back office for managing your business. The debit card will be delivered to your address within 60 days. Once you are registered you have the right to enroll others in Kanosis.

Once registered you can purchase goods from the Kanosis store. When you purchase a product with a minimum commission value (CV) of $22.00 or more you will be positioned in the Kanosis matrix and you will be positioned somewhere under the person who enrolled you in the company.

To retain this position in the matrix you must purchase product with a minimum CV of $22.00 at least once per month.

We suggest a great way to start your Kanosis business is by purchasing the COIL software subscription for $22.00 per month. This product has a CV of $22.00.

In your back office you will see any commissions you have accrued from purchases made by people placed in your matrix. These commission calculations are run daily.

If you have not enrolled any body into Kanosis who have purchased goods with a CV of $22.00 you do not qualify to collect commissions. The commissions due column will reset to $0 at midnight on the last day of the calendar month. If you have enrolled 1 person by the end of the month the commissions due will carry over to the next month.

When you have enrolled 2 people who purchase products with a CV of $22.00 you will be qualified to collect your commissions. You only ever have to enroll 2 people in total to qualify to be paid commissions as long as they purchase goods each month with a CV of $22.00 or greater.
When you are placed into the matrix you begin building your own 2 by 14 level deep matrix. This means directly under you will be 2 positions. Directly under each of those 2 positions will be another 2 positions and so on.

So the matrix grows like this

* Level 0 you.
* Level 1, 2 positions
* Level 2, 4 positions
* Level 3, 8 positions
* Level 4, 16 positions
* Level 5, 32 positions
* Level 6, 64 positions
* Level 7, 128 positions
* Level 8, 256 positions
* Level 9, 512 positions
* Level 10, 1024 positions
* Level 11, 2048 positions
* Level 12, 4096 positions
* Level 13, 8192 positions
* Level 14, 16384 positions

It is a forced matrix so if your first two positions are filled and you enroll a 3 person that person will be positioned on the 2nd level.

The matrix pays out 5% of the commission value assigned to each product purchased on each level. The maximum paid out of the commission value is 70%.

In the case of the coil subscription this would mean $1.10 is paid out on each purchase each month.
Example: If your matrix was filled to the 6th level it would be a total of 126 people in your matrix. If each position in the matrix was purchasing the Coil subscription each month you would earn a total of $138.60 per month. If other products were purchased in addition to the coil subscription the commission would be higher.

The first person you enroll will be positioned in the first available position on the left side of the matrix. The second person you enroll will be positioned in the first available position on the right hand side of the matrix. After the 2nd person all people enrolled by you will be placed in the first available position on the side of the matrix with the least amount of people.

[ycchen]

Another desperate kanosis pyramid recruiter. Work in your Pajamas?? I really like to hear Jim Southworth's comment on this recruiting pitch. :D

I guess Kanosis does not have enough employees to monitor and ban the advertisements that they said they would. Why am I not surprise? :rolleyes:

http://www.buykanosis.com/opportunity.html

Work in your Pajamas
(Or Whatever you like while making money)
Kanosis is a hybrid form of marketing based on Network Marketing and Viral Marketing, combined into one very simple but powerful business model. After extensive research, Kanosis discovered that the Network Marketing business model had some significant problems:

Problem: Complex matrix structures are not only difficult to start up but also to maintain. These matrices required multiple clients and or sign ups before any commissions would be paid.

Kanosis Solution: A simple 1 x 2 matrix. You sign up two people then they sign up two and so on. This continues until your matrix has reached 14 levels. You get paid on everyone in your matrix including level 14.

We call it a classical pyramid scheme because of its simplicity! :shake:

Problem: Most ventures usually require a significant financial investment up front, from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars, and even more significant time and effort to grow the business.

Kanosis Solution: The initial investment is $59 - A $15 Annual membership fee and the first two months of the COIL subscription fee of $22.

Many pyramid scams start with low investment to lure ordinary people to invest because they are most gullible and often time do not know how to do their DD. And don't forget that you need to pay the subscription fee (forced matrix) to stay in the pyramid-matrix strucutre even if you cannot get enough downlines to pay for your monthly subsciption fee.

Problem: Most people don’t feel comfortable recommending products to others because they are embarrassed or think they are not good sales people.

Kanosis Solution: A compelling presentation movie which tells the Kanosis story. Simply email this short presentation to people who could benefit from the product or may wish to participate in the business opportunity.

If kanosis is that great, why don't it presents it to the expert community and let the third party review it?

Problem: Products that can only be used by a segment of the population and require physical storage, inventory and shipping.

Kanosis Solution: The COIL program is known as a Software as a Service (SaaS). This means the application is hosted on a secure server and not on your PC. In addition, delivering COIL is a simple download via the internet. Many of the large software manufactures are scrambling to deliver their software products in the SaaS environment. Kanosis is already here.

Sure, kanosis is good for those who believe in puting your senstive data on other people's server.

Problem: Geographical constraints - Products were only relevant or available in certain regions of the state or country and it was very difficult if not impossible for participants to expand into new geographical areas.

Kanosis Solution: Since COIL is an Internet based product it has no geographical boundaries and it is already multi-lingual. Anyone who uses the Internet can benefit from its powerful security, communication and organization tools from wherever there is an Internet connection around the globe.

Try www.logmein.com . It provides almost everything kanosis can do and it is FREE. ;)

Kanosis decided to address all these problem areas by creating an extraordinary opportunity with a simple matrix, minimum investment, and state of the art presentation tools. An Internet related electronic product which has no geographical boundaries...other than an Internet connection.

kanosis is a classical pyramid scheme that 90% of the subscribers will not make money. Period.

[Arzel]

One enterprising marketer managed to make himself the number two google link somehow. He is using a very slightly altered link to make it look like the regular Kanosis link, but it is actually linked to his affiliate name.

Just another problem with these kinds of scheme. Jim just do a google on Kanosis and you will see who I am talking about, he seems to be violating your rules about marketing Kanosis.

[JimSouthworth]

Another desperate kanosis pyramid recruiter. Work in your Pajamas?? I really like to hear Jim Southworth's comment on this recruiting pitch. :D

I guess Kanosis does not have enough employees to monitor and ban the advertisements that they said they would. Why am I not surprise? :rolleyes:
You are right..... I am spending too much time answering the complete barrage of BS here..... Oh by the way did you take the time to see the real price page on the the site you annouced as FREE.... besides, it doesn't do ANYTHING THAT COIL DOES..... how could you even think that it did??? VNC is also free and it is nothing more than a PC Anywhere type software system and both have additional security issues that almost require you to NOT encrypt the "Data at Rest" which Kanosis does by each individual customer/member

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[Ferret]

Oh by the way did you take the time to see the real price page on the the site you annouced as FREE.... besides, it doesn't do ANYTHING THAT COIL DOES..... how could you even think that it did???
There is a FREE version
You missed that...maybe time for those glasses?

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[concerned]

besides, it doesn't do ANYTHING THAT COIL DOES..... how could you even think that it did???

Maybe because nobody really knows what COIL does, since a free beta version is NOT available, and there is no documentation available ANYWHERE in the world. Sometimes we just have to assume it is similar from ONLY what we have heard in this forum.

[JimSouthworth]

Maybe because nobody really knows what COIL does, since a free beta version is NOT available, and there is no documentation available ANYWHERE in the world. Sometimes we just have to assume it is similar from ONLY what we have heard in this forum.
Actually several thousand people do because they are using and even telling others about it on this site..... but I guess we are not competent as you anonymous crusaders who are obviously subject matter experts at everything.... even after all the description and content that has been supplied, one of you still thinks it a VPN solution and another shows us how to do another type of "PC Anywhere" solution.... you don't get it that it is a community with lots of integrated aspects to it.... its not just Coil but a series of software packages with more being added almost weekly right now.

[concerned]

Actually several thousand people do because they are using and even telling others about it on this site.....

Please forgive me, but I don't think I have seen THOUSANDS of users telling us about this product here on this forum.

And, if there were thousands of members using it, why does a search for the software come up with ZERO information about what it does? Someone should have posted something on the internet.

Now, all I have heard is that this product is better than sliced bread, but nobody can tell us why. Just like you couldn't just tell us why "it doesn't do ANYTHING THAT COIL DOES". Maybe if you took that statement and said WHY it doesn't do what COIL does, it would be helpful. I have heard:

"It will be the next Google"
"It will be better than Skype"
"It will be better than Napster"
"It will be better than Real Player"
"It will be better than GOLD"

But you never say HOW it will be better. NOBODY has. All we have seen is propaganda about this mysterious product with no real specifications, uses, etc. We have not seen a case study. We have not seen any real world application, just a sales pitch. If you call that information about the product, then you are the worst sales person in the world.

but I guess we are not competent as you anonymous crusaders who are obviously subject matter experts at everything.... even after all the description and content that has been supplied, one of you still thinks it a VPN solution and another shows us how to do another type of "PC Anywhere" solution....

Actually, I don't know if anyone thinks it is a VPN solution, because we can't determine what security is set, and how it is secure. In fact, all I have heard on the subject is that it is this great service where you can store your files on a server. That is when I said you can also do that with VPN, and be safer. If COIL does anything else, I really haven't heard it here.

you don't get it that it is a community with lots of integrated aspects to it.... its not just Coil but a series of software packages with more being added almost weekly right now.

You are right. I don't get it, because you keep contradicting yourself. Sometimes it is a community. Other times it is great software. Sometimes the software is BETA. Other times, the community is BETA (I don't know how a community can be BETA, but you have said it somewhere) and the software is not. Maybe if you could keep your answers straight forward, people would be able to "GET IT".

[nepatriots]

You are right. I don't get it, because you keep contradicting yourself. Sometimes it is a community. Other times it is great software. Sometimes the software is BETA. Other times, the community is BETA (I don't know how a community can be BETA, but you have said it somewhere) and the software is not. Maybe if you could keep your answers straight forward, people would be able to "GET IT".

WHAT?????????????? How can it be so difficult to understand???? It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see what they are offering. The documentation may not be great, and believe me I hope they are working on improving it, but Jim has said on numerous occasions what Kanosis is about. It doesn’t matter how many times you ask the questions, and how many different ways you ask them, the answers are all the same.

I have followed this thread from day one and I have never thought that JimSouthworth has contradicted himself. I am sure you will bring something he said and them mince it up to sound like he meant something else but any partially intelligent person is going to “GET IT”.

Now... will it work in the long run? Who knows… they have a lot of work to do and only time will tell.

[ycchen]

You are right..... I am spending too much time answering the complete barrage of BS here..... Another typical (no) answer that distract the attention, Jim.

The real issue is "what are you going to do with all the desperate recruiters that are given false (or may be you think "working in your pajamas" is not false advertisement? :eek: ) advertisement that you promise to deal with?

[mpatient24]

WHAT?????????????? How can it be so difficult to understand???? It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see what they are offering. The documentation may not be great, and believe me I hope they are working on improving it, but Jim has said on numerous occasions what Kanosis is about. It doesn’t matter how many times you ask the questions, and how many different ways you ask them, the answers are all the same.

I have followed this thread from day one and I have never thought that JimSouthworth has contradicted himself. I am sure you will bring something he said and them mince it up to sound like he meant something else but any partially intelligent person is going to “GET IT”.

Now... will it work in the long run? Who knows… they have a lot of work to do and only time will tell.

I have maintained my status as a skeptical member of Kanosis, and fairly neutral in this debate. I must say that I don't think Jim has contradicted himself at all either. In fact when I had additional questions or wanted a further explanation, I simply called him and he was willing to answer all of my questions. I'm a fairly logical person. I didn't find the concepts difficult to understand.

Are you guys still following Kanosis Part 2? I posted some emails and additional information you might find interesting.

[mpatient24]

Another typical (no) answer that distract the attention, Jim.

The real issue is "what are you going to do with all the desperate recruiters that are given false (or may be you think "working in your pajamas" is not false advertisement? :eek: ) advertisement that you promise to deal with?

Just for the record... I'm a loan officer on a builder account for one of the largest companies in the U.S. And I work from home in my pajamas. Granted.. the main reason I work from home is due to a disability..(femoral neuropathy in right leg & quadricep muscle atrophy complicated by patella tendonitis, chondromalacia patella, and an osteochondral defect in critical zones of the patellar cartilage, if anybody is curious.) I have a very successful Aunt that does medical billing from home. Just because we work in our pajamas, doesn't mean that we don't make money, or that it isn't a legitimate way to make money. It is a business.

[Dramtoomany]

The day of launch grows closer and me for one am excited at the potential Kanosis offers. A trickle cash business and if all the hype is true potentially great tools.

Have to say I have not seen daily improvements and additions yet.

The email is cluncky with no sent box. But its beta. I give it a chance, unlike a lot of the critics here.

[Arzel]

The day of launch grows closer and me for one am excited at the potential Kanosis offers. A trickle cash business and if all the hype is true potentially great tools.

Have to say I have not seen daily improvements and additions yet.

The email is cluncky with no sent box. But its beta. I give it a chance, unlike a lot of the critics here.

What exactly are you excited about?

I keep hearing from various members that there are issues with COIL, still Beta, doesn't have many of the most ancticipated enhancements, is slow, etc.

Which means you must be excited about the money making aspect, and now that it has reached 5,000 members, the odds of any new members making money with this become lower and lower.

[Dramtoomany]

Arzel,

1) I am excited at the prospect of an enviroment that I can do the things that Kanosis tells me it will offer.

2) I have the additional benefit of already earning an income above the subscription of $22.

3)There will be a lot more than 5000 users if the software delivers. And who is to say that it won't. Time will tell.

You it seems focus on the fact that a Matrix system does not work. as it has to max out due to mathmatical impossibilities. Thing is $22 or $264 per year is not a lot to pay if the product delivers what it says it will deliver. And there is a reduction on that figure or even a pay back if it grows through referral.

I look forward to Kanosis launch to see the system working properly.

Arzel what excites you apart from maths?

[Arzel]

Arzel,

1) I am excited at the prospect of an enviroment that I can do the things that Kanosis tells me it will offer.

2) I have the additional benefit of already earning an income above the subscription of $22.

3)There will be a lot more than 5000 users if the software delivers. And who is to say that it won't. Time will tell.

You it seems focus on the fact that a Matrix system does not work. as it has to max out due to mathmatical impossibilities. Thing is $22 or $264 per year is not a lot to pay if the product delivers what it says it will deliver. And there is a reduction on that figure or even a pay back if it grows through referral.

I look forward to Kanosis launch to see the system working properly.

Arzel what excites you apart from maths?

So you are excited about the hype to make money. You are betting that they will be able to produce an end product that many people will use so that you can make money.

To be clear, they really have a pryamid. A matrix is a specific type of pryamid, and Kanosis does not fit that mold.

In either case the model benefits only those that get in early. For you to make any money will require at least 9 more to make nothing. All these systems are faulty in that it is impossible for all that enter to earn any money. Since Kanosis is not selling anything to anyone outside its own membership base, all money coming into the system will be from members. Although they have initiated a way to use the product without being a member of the pryamid, they have made it more expensive to do so, therefore no one will do so.

And to further comment on this, it only further proves to me that they are most interested in building a pryamid.

Nothing excites me aside from the math.

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Arzel,

1) I am excited at the prospect of an enviroment that I can do the things that Kanosis tells me it will offer.

2) I have the additional benefit of already earning an income above the subscription of $22.

3)There will be a lot more than 5000 users if the software delivers. And who is to say that it won't. Time will tell.

You it seems focus on the fact that a Matrix system does not work. as it has to max out due to mathmatical impossibilities. Thing is $22 or $264 per year is not a lot to pay if the product delivers what it says it will deliver. And there is a reduction on that figure or even a pay back if it grows through referral.

I look forward to Kanosis launch to see the system working properly.

Arzel what excites you apart from maths?
Hello Dramtoomany-Nice to see a new member join us.

If i may comment on your points for a second:

1) I am excited at the prospect of an enviroment that I can do the things that Kanosis tells me it will offer. I can already do all the things Kanosis offers and more so its no great pull for me and I'm not the least bit excited about it although the amount of time I spend on Kanosis may prove otherwise :)
I have the additional benefit of already earning an income above the subscription of $22. Thats nice make sure you tell everyone in your downline how much you are earning as they are paying for it.
3)There will be a lot more than 5000 users if the software delivers. And who is to say that it won't. Time will tell.I agree there will be more than 5000 members although how many members drop out due to lack of stability or disgruntlement due to overhyped promises from desparate downline builders looking to recoup funds lost from other schemes as you say only time will tell.

I also think the Pyramid model is doomed to fail and only by continued evolvemment into other marketing stratergies can Kanosis survive in the long run, I wouldn't pay your $264 up front just yet.

I can't speak for Arzel but if your interested i get excited when my partner gives me that knowing smile or the occasional wink (yes i mean wink) sorry too much information.

[concerned]

1) I am excited at the prospect of an enviroment that I can do the things that Kanosis tells me it will offer.


I like people like you. You are excited about what Kanosis SAYS they will do. Well, I am building a machine that will beam you anywhere you want to go. So, if I want to go to Hawaii, I can step into the machine, and in 5 seconds you are in Hawaii. Will you pay me $1000 per month in my pre launch stage knowing I WILL make the machine, even though it isn't done yet?

[Dramtoomany]

Thanks .... but that is a physical impossibility. Of course if you have invented a machine as you say you have, why are you hanging around here.

Do you also have a board for the weekends "The end of the world is nigh"

So superior being are you ever wrong....cos if not there is no point cos its all gonna blow.

Thanks for the concern ..I am prepared to listen and expect what is being offered ..if not then I leave.

[Arzel]

Thanks .... but that is a physical impossibility. Of course if you have invented a machine as you say you have, why are you hanging around here.

Do you also have a board for the weekends "The end of the world is nigh"

So superior being are you ever wrong....cos if not there is no point cos its all gonna blow.

Thanks for the concern ..I am prepared to listen and expect what is being offered ..if not then I leave.

Why is that a physical impossibility? In fact I think it is more plausible than a pryamid scheme that doesn't rip off 90% of it's victims.

Besides, he didn't say he built it yet, but that it will be built soon. :)

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Concerned:

If I may go off topic slightly for a second, I'm intriged by your device but before I invest could you let me know if your machine will offer alternate locations or is it just Hawaii and also will it be similar to the MIT Quantum Teleportation device which according to one report has succesfully transported two white mice, weighing between 87 and 90 grams 13.7 meters through a hydrogen gas tube after being converted to photons of light. They were interstitially reconstituted within 10 seconds and exhibited physical movement 17 seconds later.

I'm no expert in Quantum Mechanics but if it is possible to do the same for a Human Being over long distances, a massive amount of computer power will be required, will your computers be running a Coil based Operating System to accomodate this requirement.

Also will your payment processor be Uniclear, Edalty or Paypal and will i get a free debit card as well.

[concerned]

Concerned:

If I may go off topic slightly for a second, I'm intriged by your device but before I invest could you let me know if your machine will offer alternate locations or is it just Hawaii and also will it be similar to the MIT Quantum Teleportation device which according to one report has succesfully transported two white mice, weighing between 87 and 90 grams 13.7 meters through a hydrogen gas tube after being converted to photons of light. They were interstitially reconstituted within 10 seconds and exhibited physical movement 17 seconds later.

Let me put it just like all the scammers out there. I will create a machine that will do anything you want it to do. Remember, it is your machine. Just pay me some money, but then you have to build it, after I invent the magic that goes behind it.

Just like COIL and Kanosis, will be the next Google, this will be the next NASA. But please remember you need to get in now before too many people pay me, because everyone in the world will want to use this spectacular piece of equipment.

I'm no expert in Quantum Mechanics but if it is possible to do the same for a Human Being over long distances, a massive amount of computer power will be required, will your computers be running a Coil based Operating System to accomodate this requirement.

I wish I could tell you about this, but it is a secret. If I told you, then it won't be secure, and people would rip off the design from me. Security by obscurity.


Also will your payment processor be Uniclear, Edalty or Paypal and will i get a free debit card as well.

I will use Edality, because they use a company they call a scam called Paypal and therefor it covers 2 different pay processors as once. I will also use INTGOLD, and EGOLD. Please look out for my internet comercials on STA.

[concerned]

Thanks .... but that is a physical impossibility. Of course if you have invented a machine as you say you have, why are you hanging around here.

Good question. I have not invented the machine. Just wondering if you are going to give me money for false promises like you did with Kanosis. BTW, the question should also be asked of Kanosis supporters. If there is this great invention of this new powerful software, why are YOU here?

[Dramtoomany]

I thought this was a debate forum, where you asked for Kanosis members to give their perspective.

Just what is the point! Bye
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I thought this was a debate forum, where you asked for Kanosis members to give their perspective.

Just what is the point! Bye
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Please don't be offended, I consider this a discussion forum where differing points of view can come together in an uncensored environment, sometimes to add a bit of flavour to the discussion examples can be used to highlight certain points.

Is Concerned's idea any more far fetched than what we have already heard,
i.e Coil=2 years ahead of microsoft (sometimes 3 depending on where you look) & 6 years in development.

[concerned]

Please don't be offended, I consider this a discussion forum where differing points of view can come together in an uncensored environment, sometimes to add a bit of flavour to the discussion examples can be used to highlight certain points.

Is Concerned's idea any more far fetched than what we have already heard,
i.e Coil=2 years ahead of microsoft (sometimes 3 depending on where you look) & 6 years in development.

I think he is talking about the fact that I said if Kanosis was great, why are YOU here. That was in reference to ALL Kanosians. If they think Kanosis is so great, then I would assume that they would think this website is old technology and not worthy. It was OK for him to ask my why I was here, but got bent when I asked why he was here. Just a little sensitivity going on here I guess.

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Maybe he just got the hump and will be back tomorrow.
I certainly respect him for posting here as this isn't a one sided environment like MMG (go team, I got 2 signups today, wow watch us go, take my money, the waters great, we are the best, etc, etc etc).