An Analysis of Kanosis from a user standpoint

[vliscony]

I've been reading up on Kanosis on this site lately, and have followed some of the lively discussion...

Different from some people here, I signed up for Kanosis a while ago, and have incrementally become more impressed.

I did an analysis of the user features, including some that have not yet been delivered, but basically taking into account the underlying technology, and the overall direction. As is becoming evident in recent discussions, it's not the matrix payment system per se that is a problem, it's all a matter of how it's implemented. To me it comes natural that I'm the best sales person for a service I'm clearly willing to buy myself - what is easier but to sign up the next person?

So here goes with my analysis of user features:
quote
What makes Kanosis compelling? Or even a "killer" application in the ASP
model? (IMNSHO)

Jim Southworth - see www.southworth.com - who is Kanosis' Chief
Technology Evangelist, and surely a technology leader on the Internet
for many years, essentially nailed it when he observed that 99 out of
100 ASPs failed, so clearly some innovative thinking was warranted. He
believes that it is the integration of features, as well as the
business model which make Kanosis unique and compelling, not to
mention likely to be financially successful for its members and owners.

Kanosis is in effect a private community on the public Internet, which
offers its users:
- Contact Management
- Scheduling/Calendaring including shared calendars
- Project Management (simple, but quite sophisticated, including shared
projects)
- Secure email, secure chat, and recording ability, VOIP telephony, with
recording ability also, and video conferencing.
- freedom from advertising
- ability to store files securely
- platform independence across WinTel PCs, Macs, Linuxboxes or any
terminal with Internet access, soon including your cellphone.
- ability to share files by point and click
- and upcoming: music downloads and video rentals, as well as other products
- the ability to reduce your cost permanently by selling others on the
benefits of this unique service, or even to make quite a bit of money if
you want to keep referring others - and effectively to be financially
independent.
- cut-rate international money transfer over the net
- simple currency hedging through the ability of managing 12 currencies
in your Uniclear account.
- sufficient infrastructure to run a small business globally

Can you do all this today? Yes you can, with multiple log-ins,
applications, and at least partially supported by ads you have to look
at all the time. AOL means you pay to watch advertising. MS means you
pay through the nose, and you're subject to viruses and frequent
rebooting, Google means your data is harvested for targeted advertising.
MySpace likewise, for all the cutesy stuff basically renders its users
hostage to advertisers - leave it to Rupert Murdoch now. And so on.

Kanosis cuts across all of these lines, and offers one simple interface,
accessible from anywhere, and a community which any one can choose to
belong to.
unquote

[concerned]

If it is as great as you say it is, why ruin a good product with a bad marketing plan? That is the only question I have.

[Ferret]

I've been reading up on Kanosis on this site lately, and have followed some of the lively discussion...

Different from some people here, I signed up for Kanosis a while ago, and have incrementally become more impressed.

I did an analysis of the user features, including some that have not yet been delivered, but basically taking into account the underlying technology, and the overall direction. As is becoming evident in recent discussions, it's not the matrix payment system per se that is a problem, it's all a matter of how it's implemented. To me it comes natural that I'm the best sales person for a service I'm clearly willing to buy myself - what is easier but to sign up the next person?

- simple currency hedging through the ability of managing 12 currencies
in your Uniclear account.

- the ability to reduce your cost permanently by selling others on the
benefits of this unique service, or even to make quite a bit of money if
you want to keep referring others - and effectively to be financially
independent.
Everyone here would love to get some unbiased reviews of COIL as it presently exists (not future promises)

Your post seems more like an infomercial that you copied

Do you even know how much the fees from Uniclear are?
It seems unbelievable to me that maybe 5000???(still waiting Jim) have already signed up without this info available to them
There is no other way to get paid that I know of and the card will not be available for 60? days so there will be no payments for a while

It sounds like the Uniclear fees may wipe out the commissions of most users

I have a PayPal debit card and there is NO charge to withdraw money
There is also NO charge to do a wire transfer to my bank (takes 3 days)
There was NO charge to get the card
They ONLY charge to send a check which I never do

Is Kanosis getting a cut of the money from Uniclear?

Your claims of financial independence are unsubstanciated and highly unlikely
if you understand basic math
It is a cheap ploy to get people to sign up

How long have you ben a member?
How many users have you signed up?

How much are you making?

Please give us some real answers
Thanks

[vliscony]

Hi - no, that's not a commercial, I wrote that from my own experiences. And in terms of the announced features that are not available today... well, you might want to call that a commercial, but I've been watching this since early January, and I've seen a steady pace of features and functionality being added, so I'm reasonably confident of features that have been announced.

I've been through some of the Uniclear fees, and I knew them a year before I knew Kanosis. I don't have the fees handy, but when I did see them there was nothing there that concerned me especially. Paypals is effectively a US only phenomenon, and they've had their own set of problems, including class action suits from people whose money mysteriously disappeared. I don't know the truth of any of that, but to me they're not a benchmark of how I would want to handle my money on-line, nor are most of the banks. Uniclear's security features are among the better ones from what I can tell.

The details of the commercial relationship between Kanosis and Uniclear I don't know, and I don't really care as long as the whole thing works for me, which so far it has every appearance of doing.

In terms of signing people up, I have deliberately waited initially though two people signed up with me right away, and I've been doing my due diligence on the whole thing. Also, I've been watching how the company delivers new features, and as that seems to have a satisfacory pace, I'm more and more confident that the company is on the right track. So, very conservatively I've signed up a few more people, and this month I'll sign up a lot more people.

I have at least from time to time made money in network marketing, though stupidity in management is as prevalent there as it is in the corporate world. So nobody has the exclusive on that. The difference is in network marketing you hire the company, so if they start doing stupid stuff, you can go find another company, and still be in control of your destiny more so than in the corporate world.

The math however works, and $1.10/mo times 32,766 is some number that's enough for me to pay the rent. I've been signed up since Jan 10th 2006, so I've had some time to watch things.

[Arzel]

Hi - no, that's not a commercial, I wrote that from my own experiences. And in terms of the announced features that are not available today... well, you might want to call that a commercial, but I've been watching this since early January, and I've seen a steady pace of features and functionality being added, so I'm reasonably confident of features that have been announced.

I've been through some of the Uniclear fees, and I knew them a year before I knew Kanosis. I don't have the fees handy, but when I did see them there was nothing there that concerned me especially. Paypals is effectively a US only phenomenon, and they've had their own set of problems, including class action suits from people whose money mysteriously disappeared. I don't know the truth of any of that, but to me they're not a benchmark of how I would want to handle my money on-line, nor are most of the banks. Uniclear's security features are among the better ones from what I can tell.

The details of the commercial relationship between Kanosis and Uniclear I don't know, and I don't really care as long as the whole thing works for me, which so far it has every appearance of doing.

In terms of signing people up, I have deliberately waited initially though two people signed up with me right away, and I've been doing my due diligence on the whole thing. Also, I've been watching how the company delivers new features, and as that seems to have a satisfacory pace, I'm more and more confident that the company is on the right track. So, very conservatively I've signed up a few more people, and this month I'll sign up a lot more people.

I have at least from time to time made money in network marketing, though stupidity in management is as prevalent there as it is in the corporate world. So nobody has the exclusive on that. The difference is in network marketing you hire the company, so if they start doing stupid stuff, you can go find another company, and still be in control of your destiny more so than in the corporate world.

The math however works, and $1.10/mo times 32,766 is some number that's enough for me to pay the rent. I've been signed up since Jan 10th 2006, so I've had some time to watch things.

What number signup were you?

[gtspr]

I think, that when entrusting your personal files and bank details over the internet trust has to be the most important feature.

1) Check out KANOSIS. (One page of product description.)

2) Then check out WebEx - http://www.weboffice.com/. (All kinds of help features and an impressive customer list.)

Would you trust KANOSIS, or WEBEX?

Me? WebEx. They're going to look after my data and there is zero element of 'you make a fiver if you sell this to ten people and they all use this debit card ten times a year etc etc.'

As has been said, the selling model brings into question the legitimacy of the software.


Ta-ta, gtspr

[sisco50]

WebEx is $59.95 per month? :(

[gtspr]

Yoiks! I know. What price security though? That's up to the individual of course. I'm sure there are others that are based on Exchange which offer similar for less. Hey ho, I'll watch this one with interest.

[Ferret]

WebEx is $59.95 per month? :(
That is a FIVE User price

Kanosis would charge $110 for 5 users if you need that many

Can you share your Kanosis service?

I would still like to know how much the fees from Uniclear are?

I thought Jim said the Website was to be upgraded by now ?????
Looks the same to me

[emanuel]

I wonder why Kanosis would use Uniclear after this fiascal.
I know I will never use them again. I had an account and
now the feds in Canada have all my info and I was not even
involved in the scam that Uniclear was handling the money for.


SEE THIS EMAIL I GOT :head:

Dear UniClear client;

On Friday afternoon, January 27th, 2006 our offices were raided by the RCMP with a search warrant investigating Platinum Choice International (PCI). They alleged that it is an illegal pyramid scheme and said that PCI was being charged with fraud, money laundering and promoting an illegal pyramid scheme - though to our knowledge no charges have been laid.

UniClear is not under investigation here but because it was the intention of PCI to use the services of UniClear's payment system, we were required to comply with the warrant.

Regrettably it appears that they believed it was their right under this investigation to demand from us transaction details on every account belonging to UniClear clients who had also signed up to PCI. Many of you had accounts with UniClear prior to PCI and many had told us that you wanted to continue using the services of UniClear. Despite this, we were required to provide your confidential information to the RCMP, freeze your UniClear account, and turn over the funds held in your UniClear account to the Receiver General of Canada.

Sgt. Chuck McDonald of the Vancouver RCMP (Integrated Illegal Gaming Enforcement Team), received a cheque from us representing the total of funds still on deposit by UniClear clients who had signed up to PCI. We are to advise you that the RCMP will, over the course of the next while be contacting you individually and will return your funds.

If you have any further questions or concerns please either contact us or the RCMP. We're sorry for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,

Ken Crause CEO
UniClear Express

[vliscony]

Well now, this last post makes no sense to me in this thread. Clearly it refers to a problem not with Uniclear, but with PCI. RCMP apparently went after the accounts of people who dealt with PCI, which seems to be under investigation. Evidently that has no bearing on Kanosis, and for Uniclear it is merely an annoyance.
Back to Kanosis, the question about the 70% rule is interesting, but I'm not a lawyer and would not have any way to answer it. However, what does make intuitive sense to me is the notion that under the Kanosis system as it is the distribution cost is no more than 70%. Having been through a business plan in consumer goods once, I remember that the investment bankers were looking for 3-4 times cost of goods sold for a distribution margin.
Besides all that, to me it makes sense that as a customer I'm more qualified to sell a service than anyone else. I personally trust advice from a customer more than from some salesguy who most of the time does not even understand what the product does. So to me network marketing makes more sense than traditional sales, which I've done most of my life. This goes to the heart of the questions of "references" which you always need to produce in sales, for the exact reason that your customers don't believe a sales person, unless they hear from another user of the product or service. In a network markting I can be a customer and sell the service, and to me that makes sense. No doubt there are bad companies out there. I try to avoid them...

[concerned]

Well now, this last post makes no sense to me in this thread. Clearly it refers to a problem not with Uniclear, but with PCI. RCMP apparently went after the accounts of people who dealt with PCI, which seems to be under investigation. Evidently that has no bearing on Kanosis, and for Uniclear it is merely an annoyance.

If the authorities can determine that Uniclear has aided and abeded a pyramid scheme, they might look at all their accounts. Either way, all their records can be seized and frozen. You still want to use them if they are involved in illegal activity?

Back to Kanosis, the question about the 70% rule is interesting, but I'm not a lawyer and would not have any way to answer it.

Why do you need to be a lawyer to answer this question?

However, what does make intuitive sense to me is the notion that under the Kanosis system as it is the distribution cost is no more than 70%.

70% test is ONLY about the customers. Not about cost or anything else. If 70% of customers are NOT members, then it can be a legitimate MLM.