Alienware

[hurley9192]

check out this guy...he even states that it is "guaranteed to receive your Alienware"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3426951224&category=46323

Nice try, but you've been reported...

If anyone wants to see the auctions that people are running for this stuff...do a search on ebay for "alienware"

There are only a few left, thanks to PD. It's funny when I report one and it says that someone's beat me to the punch.

[hurley9192]

Also, we need help getting this stopped. I just sent about 20 emails to people that have bought these links telling them what's up. This guy is putting that they are guaranteed to get their laptop through his deal and being very misleading. If you do the search and then on the left hand side, you can search for "completed items", you will see all the ended auctions from the past few weeks. Please help by clicking on the links and telling the people that this is a matrix website and that if they need more info to come here.

These are the people that are getting hurt because they are being mislead into thinking that if they give some clown on ebay $450, they will get a phat Alienware laptop.

Let's go Doggz!!!!

[peterdragin]

hurley9192 the auction you just linked to is a guy I have been hunting for a few weeks now this should be one of his LAST auctions. He has tried all kinds of different ways to get them to stay but,, NOT ! he should get naru'ed soon.

Like 90% of the auctions for alienware computers are just info auctions. I talked to a few honest sellers and they are reporting them also.

[mjkski]

This is a response I got back from one ebayer

[QUOTE]
I already paid the money and I can't get out of it. I basically paid
someone to add my name to the list to get the laptop. The person that I am
going through guaranteed me my money back if it doesn't work out. The only
thing I can do now is if it goes south report it to Ebay, Paypal and my
Credit card company. This is the website http://www.sublimematrix.com/. I
hope it helps someone else not make the same mistake

But if he read the ebay ad correctly it say's
[QUOTE]
Please be aware that due to the nature of this auction there will be no refunds.
Once again, it is guaranteed that you will receive the Alienware.


Poor guy didn't read it correctly. These ebay sellers are definitely crossing that fine line now- with both feet. Hopefully he will come over here and get a little more education.

[concerned]

Talk about a scammer. If this guy is the owner of the matrix site, then this guy is the scum of all scammers. If he is not, then he is still worse than all matrix owners.

sublimematrix.com has 3 prices for their alienware laptops.

They are $600, $295, or $200.

This guy is selling them for $350. He is probably placing their names into the $200 matrix and pocketing the extra $150. I bet he has a few of the first spots on that matrix.

Then sublimematrix has a referal bonus that he is probably cashing in on. For every 5 people he signs up, he gets placed into any list with a value up to $50.

[hello]

These eBay auctions make me SICK. I find it horrible that eBay doesn't kick these people off right away for being such scammers. eBay is also scamming everyone by allowing these people to keep posting, (I think eBay lets these good-for-nothing scammers post upto 6 times, with warnings, before they cut them off).

[hurley9192]

I got some nice 4 letter words back today.

The sellers said they are doing nothing wrong and it's totally legit. And of course, they recieved their product, so it must work. They are indeed putting the people's name on the list, but charging them sometimes $399 or $450 for the right to be on the list.

They've all been reported, but they took a bunch of money off people in the past couple weeks. Hopefully, they'll be NARU'd soon.

[peterdragin]

Where do you think they are getting the info from, The Matrix owners themselfs.

I have talked to many sellers and they honestly think it's ok and there is nothing wrong, I asked a few who said this and it always the site itself!!

[peterdragin]

Bye the way here is an AUCTION by the owner of gotmatrix !!

Here is the description he gives, also his seller id on ebay was canceled !! sorry bout that !!


Ever wanted to get an Xbox so inexpensively that you could afford to buy more than one game? Well, I did too and now I can tell you how also. If you win this auction, you'll get information on a website that will offer this, and many more pieces of electronics including TV's, computers, DVD-burners, etc. for the outrageous price of just $30.00 or less each! FAQ Is this legal? Yes, 100% legal. Whats the catch? Patience! All good things come in time! Please read this auction and know what you are bidding on and above all BID WISELY! You won't be disappointed! I was very skeptical, but I decided to try it since I saw people were bidding the prices of XBoxes above retail on here. I can't understand that, but it's happening everyday. I decided to try this out, and yes you do have to wait awhile (I waited 3.5 weeks to receive mine) but it's a LOT better than spending $200+ for a game machine. Give it a try, I assure you that it is worth it! I only accept Pay Pal.Please log onto Pay Pal and send payment to wholesalemobile@gate811.net.As soon as the payment is received I will send out an email immediately with the info and web address for unbelievable prices on the x box and other electronics.Thanks again for your time and interest in my auctions,Greg Joyner...

here's the link be sure to look at the feedback, he threatens one bidder who complained about sueing her to the fullest extent of the law.

This is a Matrix site owner !!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3539636916

[tnalder]

Well, I totally was sucked into this one. I bid on ebay for a spot on sublimematrix.com and the guy was supposed to buy a spot for me. I won the auction on the 12th and paid with paypal directly the day of the auction. I went all day today without him adding me and now the whole web site is down. I think that I will wait a day or two and see what happens and then file for fraud. What suggestions can you offer to get my money back. I have looked at the suggestions on ebay and will probalbly just do that.

[peterdragin]

I think I would get in touch with Paypal as soon as possible, and explain it to them. the seller was not selling a tangable product and paypal has rules about that.

[tnalder]

The thing is that i don't know if the guy that I won the auction from even knew what he was selling or if he was assosciated witht he website. I looked at paypal's fraud services and I have to have filed with ebay first, and ebay says to check with my CC company for reimbursement.

[tnalder]

I think that I will try tomorrow to contact the seller and see if the website starts back up. Although if by tomorrow I haven't heard anythng I will take steps to get my money back on friday. I know that there were 3 or 4 other auctions for the same thing from the same user that were bought after mine. I need to email the purchasers and see what their experience was.

[mjkski]

He was selling you a bunch of empty promises and guarantees that can't be met...also known as a Matrix. Don't wait to long with trying to get your money back. Time can be crucial on this.

[peterdragin]

I agree, get on it right away.

[tcb1969a]

File a complaint with PayPal, they usually will get your money back.....

[MatrixWatch]

tnalder,
Welcome to the site. I hope that you learn a lot here at Matrix Watch. Everyone is great at answering issues, and most of us have been around the block a few times and are very wise and insightful when it comes to issues like yours.

I think that you are still caught up with the "matrix state of mind". Please don't take offence to this, but you need to forget about your hopes of cycling on a matrix site. That little hope and thrill you get from gambling on that site is what is keeping you from requesting a refund. If that site is up tomorrow, then you STILL need to work on getting your money back ASAP! You are not going to receive what that site is promising you. Come out of the matrix :) Trust us. We don't want to see you back here in two weeks because that matrix site closed down on you and you wish you would have just got your money back.

I hope to see more of you here. Hang around, and ask as many questions as you'd like. If you have a whole other issue you'd like to discuss then just start a new thread.

[tnalder]

Well I send the seller an email requesting a refund of my money. I don't think that he will agree to it but I figured that I needed to at least request it for when I file the other claims and complaints. I also called my CC company thismorning I have to wait untill it is posted on my account and then I have to call them back. It normally takes 3-5 days. The CC company can refund the whole amount and I am going that route first. If the cliam there is denied then I will file claims through ebay and paypal. I know that they both offer 175 and the other 200 so I should be able to get most of it back.

Thanks for the help!

[tnalder]

The email did the trick, the guy claimed that the site was working for him as well as some of his other customers but he sent the payment back immediatley. I am still stuck in the Matrix Mode and wonder "What if I had left it in" But I think that there is a safer way to get a laptop, even if I have to pay a little more for it. Thanks again for all your help and advice.

[Talented Mr Rae]

Sublim's site is down for at most 3 days because of problems with the host (nothing to do with the acutal site).

Can you not claim the money back from PayPal - i.e. reverse the payment, or can you only do that before it has been collected by the seller?

[tnalder]

From what i understand you can only get it back if it has not been collected by the seller but I am kindof new when it comes to paypal so I could be misinformed.

[Talented Mr Rae]

I myself are evens on what I've lost and made. I'd probably be several hundred dollars in profit if I hadn't made mistakes in the beginning by investing in long lists which never cycled.

If you are going to invest, then please please do your research first!

[peterdragin]

If you are going to invest in a Matrix site you NEED to know how long the list is, because if the list is long chances are you will never cycle for a "gift". STAY away from a site that won't let you see the lists untill you pay, sites like gotmatrix, 10dlapotp, etc. There are a few more but theses come to my mind, how can you trust a site let won't let you see what your buying into.

[concerned]

Originally posted by peterdragin
If you are going to invest in a Matrix site you NEED to know how long the list is, because if the list is long chances are you will never cycle for a "gift". STAY away from a site that won't let you see the lists untill you pay, sites like gotmatrix, 10dlapotp, etc. There are a few more but theses come to my mind, how can you trust a site let won't let you see what your buying into.

Since we are speaking of them here, sublimematrix.com was one that did not let you see the lists either.

[mjkski]

Talented Mr Rae---"Invest"???

I guess per the dictionary is might be okay to use that word but on financial level I don't agree with your use of that word. But if you are correct why don't they call a lottery an investment or playing blackjack game an investment? How about "gamble" or "playing the game" or " to throw some money away at" would be more appropriate(LOL), but I really don't believe investing is the appropriate word to use. Yes- I have thrown some money away on stocks, but there is a difference. I do agree with you that if you want to play the game, you better educate yourself first, and be prepared to lose it all.

[hurley9192]

tnalder...with extreme caution, you can wade through the matrix world, but I would recommend seeing both sides, definitely take the time to look through this forum and matrix-sites.net. Ask lots of questions. The ones who are very involved in these sites and will give lots of advice are ones like BigStarr and uwantme and TCB1969 from this site.

But be warned, there is never a guarantee and always read the whole "terms of service" aggrement first. Like any type of thing you are putting your money into, do the research and be very diligent, don't let promises of cheap electronics cloud your mind and realize that unless you are close to the top or in a fast moving list, you probably won't get anything.

Also, avoid people trying to promote their websites with very little posts because they are new and maybe don't have the seasoning that the ones mentioned above may have.

Good luck and thanks for helping us stop this ebay scam. Selling links like this on ebay is the scam part, they are over charging and very misleading.

[poorme]

tnalder
Their TOS or FAQ can be updated every time to cover themselves.
Please stay away from matrix. You have to realise that though you win, the money you take is other's.

[Talented Mr Rae]

and when you play an official lottery, who's money are you winning ;)

I used "invest" because, if the sites do stay open, then you will always have your entry until you cycle and you get back more than you originally invested - just like a savings account.

Whereas with a lottery/casino - you get one chance to place a bet and if it doesn't come up, you've lost your money.

Of course matrix sites cannot stay open forever, and the rate of population growth of the world is definately not fast enough to create a 1 new person - 1 new cycler ratio... so please don't critisice what I have said above - I know matrix sites will not and never will provide a real investment.

[hurley9192]

the difference with a lottery is that everyone knows it's a huge chance that they won't get anything...with a matrix, there are a lot of people that are mislead to believe that they will get something.

[Talented Mr Rae]

very very true for most matrix sites. but there are the odd few out there who are truthful to their customers and tell them that.

[FightingBack]

It seems as if the auction didn't get taken down. Oh well. I guess the reports didn't do anything. Even his account isn't taken away.

[peterdragin]

Is this what your talking about ? The auction on ebay ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3426951224&category=46323



If it is I just checked and it looks like the auction was won by a Vigalante, I checked the buyers feedback and it's NEG.

[FightingBack]

yeah that is the one I'm talking about. Still the auction didn't get taken down. And that buyer will get their account taken away. After so many complaints about not paying you get your account taken away. I should know. LoL happened to me when I use to use ebay long time back.

[uwantme]

Originally posted by peterdragin
Is this what your talking about ? The auction on ebay ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3426951224&category=46323



If it is I just checked and it looks like the auction was won by a Vigalante, I checked the buyers feedback and it's NEG.

I even know its in ebays policies that if you bid on auctions just to leave negative feedback etc, they will cancel that buyers account.

So maybe the vigilantes need to be more careful, and Im addressing all of them when I say this not anyone in particular... Not like it matters but you guys are alot like site owners. If you get kicked off of ebay for violating their policies which for some reason its okay for you to do it and not site owners, anyway you will just open up another account and keep continuing to violate the policies. I just dont get it what makes it right for one and wrong for another if all are in violation of the rules...

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by uwantme
...Not like it matters but you guys are alot like site owners. If you get kicked off of ebay for violating their policies which for some reason its okay for you to do it and not site owners, anyway you will just open up another account and keep continuing to violate the policies. I just dont get it what makes it right for one and wrong for another if all are in violation of the rules...

I agree with this. A while back, peterdragin and I really scolded some of our new members who were doing this. We haven't had many problems since, but perhaps this would be a good time to reiterate that Matrix Watch does not stand behind those who buy to leave negative feedback. We support mass reports to be made against certain auctions and sellers to the eBay staff, but utilizing "Robin Hood" methods is not the ethical standard I want to establish here. The vigilantes who want their desires accomplished through back-door means are not endorsed by Matrix Watch. Not only is the activity non-sponsored, but I condemn it, and I would appreciate that these vigilantes be contacted and rebuked for their actions.

Peterdragin has done a fabulous job in training and mobilizing the eBay Watch Dogs and I do not want his reputation tainted because of a few punk kids out there doing what they think is right.

[peterdragin]

They do not cancel your account for not paying, it takes 3 non paying reports for them to cancel an account, or if your feedback falls to a -4 rating. Also if the person bids on a sellers auctions like 3 or 4 of them at the same time it only counts as one non paying report, not fair you say, sure but this is the way Ebay does it.

I have asked this question before in the safe harbor forum on Ebay, and this was the answer I got back form one of the pinks.

Another point to make is that once school starts these vigalante's seem to go away on the most part, I have seen this before and this is what happens. It's just kids that do this the most.

I do want to point out that alot of sellers are reporting these info auctions also because they want these auctions gone also. They are trying to sell a real product and are not happy with the info auctions at all.

I saw the same thing a few years ago when everybody was selling links to sites like pricewatch, pricegrabber, etc. They were not allowed also and this is another reason ebay changed it's rules concerning info type auctions. When the matrix auctions started showing up they renforced the rules even more to make it easier to report them.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by peterdragin
They do not cancel your account for not paying, it takes 3 non paying reports for them to cancel an account, or if your feedback falls to a -4 rating. Also if the person bids on a sellers auctions like 3 or 4 of them at the same time it only counts as one non paying report, not fair you say, sure but this is the way Ebay does it.

I have asked this question before in the safe harbor forum on Ebay, and this was the answer I got back form one of the pinks.

Another point to make is that once school starts these vigalante's seem to go away on the most part, I have seen this before and this is what happens. It's just kids that do this the most.

I do want to point out that alot of sellers are reporting these info auctions also because they want these auctions gone also. They are trying to sell a real product and are not happy with the info auctions at all.

I saw the same thing a few years ago when everybody was selling links to sites like pricewatch, pricegrabber, etc. They were not allowed also and this is another reason ebay changed it's rules concerning info type auctions. When the matrix auctions started showing up they renforced the rules even more to make it easier to report them.


You are the Ebay King.......:D

[peterdragin]

Just an update..

22,133 Auctions canceled.

352 Sellers licked off Ebay.

As of today.

Things are realy slowing down on ebay, and at least 75% of the info auctions are NOT even getting any bids now. With the bidders getting smarter about these auctions, and the reporting going on it dosen't look good for the matrix sites.

Only spending a 1/2 hour or so the find and report auctions during the week. Sometimes on fri. and sat. Morning there might be a few more but never more that an hours worth of time.

[hurley9192]

well, there are a few who are still scamming people out of $350 on ebay with the Alienware thing. I just emailed about 20 buyers in the past 2 days and have reported all the auctions. However, the sellers are just relisting the auctions. We need more people to report these, because they are guaranteeing that the buyer will get the product, which is the only reason most are buying.

These people need to be stopped.

BTW, I was one of the vigilantes from awhile ago, but have stopped. They never cancelled my other account and I received 8 negatives from sellers promoting this scam. My wife didn't need the account anyways, it just promotes more spending.:D

[Talented Mr Rae]

Just to say that Sublime Matrix has chosen to close its doors but is offering refunds. Maybe you could now demand cash back from these eBay sellers of matrix positions as they have now voided their guarantees.

[hurley9192]

Interesting...I'll email some of these clowns that swore at me and ask them that question. Probably not...they'll probably get the refund and end up pocketing the $400 that they collected.

[Talented Mr Rae]

just an update to say that I have received my refund but they were only willing to send it by www.paybycredits.com, but they did pay $4 processing charges.

Damn annoying though as I cant withdraw it for 30 days and they will only send withdrawals by U.S. business cheque... and I live in the damn UK!

[tnalder]

Boy am I glad that I got out of sublime matrix when I did. Thanks matrixwatch!!

[ashencal]

Hey, i got tricked by this sublimematrix.com thing. I have already gone through my credit card and filed a dispute, what else should I do?

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by tnalder
Boy am I glad that I got out of sublime matrix when I did. Thanks matrixwatch!!

Right on tnalder!!! I'm proud of you bro!



ashencal,
It would really depend. Wait for your CC company to get back to you. Let us know from there.

[mjkski]

tnalder


that was very unethical what they person posted on Ebay. I am glad to see you got your hard earned money back in your pocket.:D

[CodyMac]

Thanks to whoever emailed me about the Laptop scheme. I won the auction thursday and hopefully i can resolve the issue before the $300.00 posts to my account. But with my great research and "hacking" skills =) i found the address and phone number of the person who was doing this on ebay, but... do you guys think i should post it on here?

here was the auction

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3427005523

[hurley9192]

Good to hear Cody...that was me that emailed you. I wouldn't post their info here, just because we've had issues with that stuff before.

However, you can file a bunch of reports to ebay, paypal and your credit card.

We've reported this seller a bunch of times and he hopefully will get kicked off ebay soon.

[tnalder]

Well I have some bad news. The paypal echeck that the guy sent to me as a return failed and so now I am having to file charges with ebay and paypal and my credit card company. I think that the guy was just trying to rip me off. I'll keep you posted on the latest.

[tnalder]

This is what the guy wrote in response to the email I sent him. I wonder if he is trying to delay for 30 days so I can't report him for fraud through paypal or ebay?

"dude, wtf, in my auction i said no refunds, yet u requested one and i tried to go through with it, but because you complained with paypal already, i cant send and recieve payments, hence why that didnt clear. i emailed paypal and asked them to authorize refunds to you and two others, so lets just wait
and see what they say."

I don't know what to think?

[CodyMac]

Well the money posted to my account this morning... im kind of pissed because i thought it wasnt going to happend, i filed a complaint with paypal and my bank and my bank said they are going to try to resolve the issue and give me temporary funds. This loser that did the auction is not responding to any of my emails either. ill keep posted on anything new.

[MatrixWatch]

tnalder,
PayPal is being sued for their support of every matrix site in the country. If we win the suit then PayPal will have to make 100% restitution to the victims, nationwide, in accordance with CA law. Attorney's fees are separate from this settlement. If all else fails then just stay tuned to the announcements on this site. We will help you the best that we can.

Don't hesitate to keep trying though. Go ahead and file whatever reports you need to. If you need advice, then just post a message in the "eBay Watch Dogs" forum.

[CodyMac]

Well, at least he has some kind of heart, he finally gave me a full refund over paypal, but this is what he said in his e-mail...

"I understand its a lot of money, however you would have gotten a laptop. Next time just read EVERYTHING before you bid please. A lot of sellers wont be as giving as I was. Have an awesome day. "

[concerned]

Originally posted by CodyMac
Well, at least he has some kind of heart, he finally gave me a full refund over paypal, but this is what he said in his e-mail...

"I understand its a lot of money, however you would have gotten a laptop. Next time just read EVERYTHING before you bid please. A lot of sellers wont be as giving as I was. Have an awesome day. "

WOW, At least he decided to follow the RULES of ebay ONLY after filing a complaint was filed. If I were you, I would still follow through with the complaint so that he can't scam anyone else.

[CodyMac]

Well i left a very bad feedback on him and he had nothing but positives, so i dont think he will be doing it anymore, if he does hes a moron

[MatrixWatch]

Welcome to the site Cody. Thanks for all of your help lately.

These eBay scammers do not care about positive feedback. They need to be reported.

Furthermore, it seems that our efforts on eBay have not been enough for these site owners. I say we set a new precident..

From now on, whoever lists a matrix auction on eBay gets their matrix site reported to the Better Business Bureau, the Attorney General's office, and the FBI. No questions asked, no prisoners taken... I am not messing around with this. eBay has already established policies against matrix auctions.

[concerned]

Originally posted by CodyMac
Well i left a very bad feedback on him and he had nothing but positives, so i dont think he will be doing it anymore, if he does hes a moron

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that don't know about how ebay works. Most of the time, I see people that are NEW to ebay bidding on these things. One time I saw people bidding on a link to the rsient.com site. The seller continued to sell the information even after someone left a complaint and the URL inside that complaint. You see, new people to ebay don't know that you can read those complaints. At the time I emailed those people to tell them that all they had to do was look at his feedback, and most didn't know that.

You have to do more than just do negative feedback for there to be real justice, or else he will just continue to scam others.

[ashencal]

Hey guys, this guy selling the Laptop just emailed me back that he was able to post my name up on sublimematrix after I got an email from sublimematrix saying that they had no records of any transaction with me and they were shutting down. Screwy. This guy is pissing me off, think I should email him with some confused questions?

[concerned]

Originally posted by ashencal
Hey guys, this guy selling the Laptop just emailed me back that he was able to post my name up on sublimematrix after I got an email from sublimematrix saying that they had no records of any transaction with me and they were shutting down. Screwy. This guy is pissing me off, think I should email him with some confused questions?

You really need to contact ebay directly. File a complaint. Then you need to file a complaint with the pay processor, Paypal is probably who he used is my guess. I an guessing it is the same person that sold to CodyMac. Then you need to file a complaint with the bank. After you have done that, send him an email with all of the information, ie case numbers, emails you recieved from the people that you complained to, etc. Tell him that you are not letting him get away with it. Also post negative feedback in his ebay account. Find out if you can get contact information for this guy. If you can, call the police in the area where he lives. Keep going till you get your money back.

[hurley9192]

There were about 4 of them that were selling the links. Right now, only one is selling the links and I've reported him.

Most of them get kicked off ebay after 3 reports, so the best way to get them off ebay is to keep reporting them.

Also, bookmark the BBB sites and then send them a report as well. The only problem is you usually need an address with the BBB.

[MatrixWatch]

If you need info then just summon our group of members who deal with this issue: The eBay Watch Dogs. They will give you all of the contact info you need to report this guy. Just supply eBay with the auction number, seller ID, and who you are.

However, it is your choice where to go beyond there. Some customers say, "Hey, I got mine..." and they walk away. Others fight to prevent this from happening again, and there are various degrees on how to do that. You have heard a few of our views here, now the choice is in your hands. I suggest that the right thing to do would be to get this guy, not only off eBay, but take him down with the full extent of the law.

My principle with these scam sites has been to not only prevent them from ripping more people off, but to make a public example out of them for those who wish to do the same.