light in the tunnel, not oncoming train?

[yeppers]

mgmtpro may join admin. or already has?

in one thread, esto claims to have an EXtensive legal background, but refuses to go into it. he does kinda talk like a lawyer, but is that a good thing?? :rolleyes: i digress ...

simontemplar suggests that sta become membership-only buyers club with discounted merchandise which could be sold to create members...

esto: "We have 24K more or less -- the bulk of whom, numerically, may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return. At one end of this group there are clearly some for whom this was and is the only motivation and this does not do much at all to help us prove our concept to advertisers."

esto, that would be us'ns over here, who cannot forget ymmss' 'moon and stars' promises, who (forget 'numerically') ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY joined because of promises and GUARANTEES of HUGE financial returns. MAY HAVE?? :rant: :head:

you wanna get away from 'clicking for coins' image? it's EASY! just give us refunds - i personally could be 'paid to go away.' :applause: - the way i see it, it's the ONLY way for sta to make a truly clean start. hey, maybe i'll even join your club, but if i do, i'd like to do so without the financial chains.

and to mgmtpro: i suggest that your first move as part of admin. be to move exto to the back of the room - make him sit on his sticky hands and then put some duct tape over his mouth. he is doing more to hurt your image than anyone here could possibly do.

insert billy jack chant here - "all we are saying... is give peace a chance... all we are saying... is give peace a chance...

[AvidA]

lol that was funny, Yeppers!

esto: "We have 24K more or less -- the bulk of whom, numerically, may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return. At one end of this group there are clearly some for whom this was and is the only motivation and this does not do much at all to help us prove our concept to advertisers."

This part here is sickening. What a hipocrit! lol As if he would have stayed anywhere near YMMSS if he hadn't made THOUSANDS!!! He takes the cake of all creeps!

I am with you, Yeppers. I can be paid to shut up.

[drankoolaid]

esto: "We have 24K more or less -- the bulk of whom, numerically, may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return. At one end of this group there are clearly some for whom this was and is the only motivation and this does not do much at all to help us prove our concept to advertisers."

"may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return."
-- No sh_t Sherlock!

Stunning hypocracy combined with bad story telling makes me cringe.
Wasn't the whole "join us" buy, buy, buy EPC's campaign based upon
YMMSS's own statements of guaranteed financial return?

"prove our concept to advertisers"

Would that be the get paid to read concept or get
paid to click .. or the doubler model?

Should not the 'concept' have been proven before it was implemented?

I joined YMMSS intially for BOTH reasons's -- to advertise AND to
double my cash outlay in said advertising -- yes I know the
horrible word 'investment was frowned upon .. (wonder why)

but it was a reasonable to expect that my money would double
when YMMSS approved websites and literature stated
unequivocally that everyones money would in fact double ..

The 'advertising' that was being offered I quickly determined -- was a sham.

YMMSS Advertising ..

Mostly and presumably good Christian folks writing things like
'I got paid!" with followup response 'advertising' ... like "God Bless You"

AND

"buy more EPC's so we can decrease cycle times!."

This was their idea of advertising?

I mean if it weren't so sad it might be funny.

No the 'advertising' -- was used to tout the flawed money scheme
YMMSS so that more money scheme (victims) could be
infused into the matrix -- and as we now know with the regard
of paying those first in --

When I realized that the 'advertising' was a sham ..
Essentially ANY credibility of then YMMSS was destroyed.

My hope was that I could get back the (real) money I placed
into the 'system.' It becomes more and more obvious --
that this will never happen at least not in any forthright or
voluntary way by Mr Inman and company.

YMMSS (now STA) has
defaulted and defrauded broken its agreement with me
and justify's doing so with the 'we never said this or that' defense.

If I were in the exact same place as back then knowing NOTHING about YMMSS --
looking ONLY at what is now the STA RETAIL site --
reads - a cheesy un-professional link and banner farm ..

I would have NEVER repeat NEVER signed up in the first place.

If YMMSS is not guilty of misleading and FALSE advertising
I don't know who or what would be guilty of such.

The bait and switch to the STA RETAIL 'model' was/is obviously a diversion
and bad faith attempt to fix "make legitimate" the previous doubler scheme
-- and comes complete with double talking from those who
benefited most from the sham - scam - doubler - matrix - YMMSS whatever

The out and out sheer stupidity of the above
"ESTO" quote requires only grade school comprehending skills.

Did not Esto ALSO join YMMSS now STA with the primary
and reasonable expectation of a financial return?

One difference between myself and ESTO is that he RECEIVED his
financial reward (ie: profited from the ill gotten gains of conned members.)

The bigger difference is that I am thankful I never have.

Good God these folks really need to learn the 'art of the spin ..'
which must contain at least tiny specs of truth to
have the slightest chance of being believed whatsoever.

I would suggest STA hire brighter shills and even better liars

If in fact
ESTO has been schooled in legalese it is plain to see why
his new profession is 'flim flam man' un - extrordinaire

with sub title

failed
mouthpiece for failing Get Paid To Read STA RETAIL SITE
formerly known as the YMMSS money doubler system.'

[AvidA]

I thought he was a published writer and retired from the U.N. ..Just like Kim supposedly. Wow! The lies get bigger on down the line.

[ymmss_victim]

esto: "We have 24K more or less -- the bulk of whom, numerically, may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return."

May???? have joined to get some financial return.


Ludicrous statment. If you put out catnip and get cats do you say the cats "may" have shown up for the catnip.

[Ferret]

I thought he(ESTO) was a published writer and retired from the U.N. ..Just like Kim supposedly. Wow! The lies get bigger on down the line.
http://www.epinions.com/user-renewal2 aka Stephen Rose aka Esto

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Writer, participant in a major Success Program which I commend to all, creator of a growing personal site integrating various writings and other compositions with selected health and wellness products and online shopping opportunities.


Author of several books, including Jesus and Jim Jones, Sermons Not Preached in the White House, Alarms and Visions and The Grass Roots Church.

Composer of various genres of music ranging from popular songs to the Musical Narrative for the Bicentennial of the United Methodist Church in America. Poet, currently writing sonnets and doing a theological exercise in relation to Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

Married to Kathy Rose, a newspaper editor and my love.
Recent:

Editor, CHOICES, the flagship magazine of the United Nations Development Program (UNDP). Writer/Consultant, Human Rights and Development Section, United Nations Secretariat, New York.

Writer/Editor/Consultant, Media Section, UNICEF NYHQ dealing with debt relief and other issues. Responsible for press releases, statements q and a's, talking points and writing and editing essential communications. Evenly divided between Web and print publication.

Have written more than 300 crappy reviews at http://www.epinions.com under the username renewal2.

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Nine published books
Speechwriter, the Hon. Carl W. McCall, Comptroller, State of New York
Executive Director, the Albert Schweitzer Center
Speech writer, the Hon. Joe Duffey
Faculty, Simon's Rock of Bard College
Professional song writer
Founder-editor, Renewal Magazine
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Phillips Exeter Academy
Williams College (Phi Beta Kappa)
Union Theological Seminary (MDiv)

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[AvidA]

Sermons Not Preached in the White House, lol Yes, esto. Like none of yours about YM/STA. lol

[Somebody]

mgmtpro may join admin. or already has?

in one thread, esto claims to have an EXtensive legal background, but refuses to go into it he does kinda talk like a lawyer, but is that a good thing?? :rolleyes: i digress ...

simontemplar suggests that sta become membership-only buyers club with discounted merchandise which could be sold to create members...

esto: "We have 24K more or less -- the bulk of whom, numerically, may have joined because this was a way of getting some financial return. At one end of this group there are clearly some for whom this was and is the only motivation and this does not do much at all to help us prove our concept to advertisers."

esto, that would be us'ns over here, who cannot forget ymmss' 'moon and stars' promises, who ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY joined because of promises of HUGE financial returns. MAY HAVE?? :rant: :head:

you wanna get away from 'clicking for coins' image? it's EASY! just give us refunds - i personally could be 'paid to go away.' :applause: - the way i see it, it's the ONLY way for sta to make a truly clean start. hey, maybe i'll even join your club, but if i do, i'd like to do so without the financial chains.

and to mgmtpro: i suggest that your first move as part of admin. be to move exto to the back of the room - make him sit on his sticky hands and then put some duct tape over his mouth. he is doing more to hurt your image than anyone here could possibly do.

insert billy jack chant here



they paid MECHANIC to go away and shut up. that's discrimination if they don't pay us to go away and shut up.

[yeppers]

:p :p :p :p :p

i have a suggestion for esto's next book: "how to be a wolf in sheeps clothing." Or, "inside story: fox hired to guard the hen house."

[yeppers]

they paid MECHANIC to go away and shut up. that's discrimination if they don't pay us to go away and shut up.

damn right! ok, that's ponzi investment fraud, bait 'n' switch, discrimination, click fraud, money laundering, tax evasion ... uncle sam, where are you??

[AvidA]

"inside story: fox hired to guard the hen house."- an autobiography. lol

I have a feeling the IRS is not that far behind.