Need Info to Report YMMSS STA Kim Inman Scam to sec.gov by email

[Ferret]

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2006-26.htm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 2006-26

Washington D.C., Feb.27, 2006 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced the filing of securities fraud charges against the operators of www.12dailypro.com, a “paid autosurf program” that in fact was a massive Ponzi scheme which raised more than $50 million from over 300,000

The Commission alleges that the defendants defrauded investors by operating 12daily Pro [ YMMSS / STA ] as almost a pure Ponzi scheme — using new investor monies to pay the promised returns to existing investors — in violation of the federal securities laws.

In fact, at least 95% of 12daily Pro’s [ YMMSS / STA ] revenues have come from new investments in the form of membership fees from new or existing members. The other “multiple income streams” from advertising revenues or off-site investments touted by the defendants were either negligible or non-existent

This matter was referred to the Commission in early February by several members of the public. Complaints and tips from the public are vital to the Commission’s mission to protect investors, and the Commission staff reviews each and every complaint it receives.

I just talked to Kelley Bowers about ymmss / sta
He was involved in the shut down of 12dailypro and mentioned in the above article

Kelley was unfamiliar with ymmss / sta so I briefly filled him in with some details about the nature of the Ponzi scam

Do not call him as he is a busy guy and this will not further any investigation

What is needed is a complete package of info to be emailed to him

Info on how ymmss / sta is in violation of the federal securities laws

Math proof that it is a ponzi scam

History of the scam

Website URL's

How much money involved

List of people with large dollar losses

Number of people involved.... 24,000?

Main players and contact info

etc (this list needs to be expanded and revised )

The ONE email needs to be presented in a Clear, Concise and easy to read format

Kelley made no promises that they would take action on ymmss / sta but said they consider all complaints based upon certain criteria

The better the emailed info the better the chance of action being taken
If sec.gov closed down 12dailypro.com so fast, why not YMMSS STA Next?
Get to it ;)

[drankoolaid]

We need ONE person to a.k.a. be the point person ..

To Send ONE email -- Let's not mass eMail
the guy -- killing our credibility //

It's all right here -- just need to put it together -- Thoughts?

Info on how ymmss / sta is in violation of the federal securities laws

Math proof that it is a ponzi scam

History of the scam

Website URL's

How much money involved

List of people with large dollar losses

Number of people involved.... 24,000?

Main players and contact info

I can write -- we need hard facts ..
Specifically the things outlined by Ferret

Great Post and Thanks Ferret!

Best Regards,
Michael

[Ferret]

We need ONE person to be the point person ..

To Send ONE email -- Let's not mass eMail
the guy -- killing our credibility //

It's all right here -- just need to put it together -- Thoughts?
Definitely, That was the point, ONE eMAIL that will be honed, refined and APPROVED before being sent

It could have a list of "Victims" with contact info at the bottom for credibility

Even if this email does not bring results it can be sent to other agencies

Time to stop fooling around and get YMMSS / STA shut down before it collapses and the money and criminals disappear

Johnson and 12dailypro [ YMMSS / STA ??? ;) ] have consented to the entry of a court order that permanently enjoins them from future violations of the antifraud provisions of the federal securities laws, imposes a freeze on their assets, prohibits the destruction of documents,

[Golfer2]

I agree on one email. If you need names & addresses of people, just let us know.. I may know some people who will join in that are not on MA.

I never did get excited in YMMSS, but starting to feel a little excitement now.. :applause: :applause:

[drankoolaid]

I have already given my personal details to Yeppers
through PM .. for prior reasons re; STA / YMMSS

A suggestion would be to use one person (yeppers if she agrees)
for us to send personal details via private communication ..

Personal Details

Real Name
real Physical Address
real contact Phone
real email address
straight skinny --- HOW MUCH Have You LOST?

Various folks could be utilized for the various other components,

Arzel for example doing the Math proofs ..
Someone else for HISTORY
so on and so forth ..

THen have a edit review of say four members

And Get That Puppy Sent!

Michael

[Ferret]

Various folks could be utilized for the various other components,

Arzel for example doing the Math proofs ..
Someone else for HISTORY
so on and so forth ..

THen have a edit review of say four members

And Get That Puppy Sent! Michael
The personal details are probably the least important if at all for the first email
Lets stick to the BIG PICTURE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Info on how ymmss / sta is in violation of the federal securities laws

Math proof that it is a ponzi scam

History of the scam

Illegal and impossible guarantees made by YMMSS / Kim Inman

Website URL's

How much money involved
Where did the money go

Bogus 1099's

List of people with large dollar losses, Victim of YMMSS? $120,000

Number of people involved now.... 24,000? Total # affected but dropped out?

Main players and contact info

What else?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The email to needs to be presented in a Short, Clear, Concise and easy to read format

A lot of the info needed is in MatrixWatch already
Arzel has already done the Math proofs and some nice graphs (picture is worth a 1000 words ;) )

I remember a post(s) about how ymmss / sta is in violation of the federal securities laws

Just needs to be found and compiled

I would like to see this email sent by Friday so Kelley can think about it over the weekend

[drankoolaid]

Understood Ferret,

Looking For Arzel info and graphs as we speak ..

Also just a thought ..

Maybe the email addy for your contact guy should
be taken down so it doesn't get spammed and misused ..

Here are some numbers to crunch
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/myincome/

Best Regards,
Michael

[AvidA]

Good point about the email addy. I can get history if you like...??? I can have a nice package of it for us, lamenated and ready.

[Ferret]

I can get history if you like...??? I can have a nice package of it for us, lamenated and ready.
The history needs to be as few sentences as possible that can inform Kelley what has happened with this Ponzi Scam and how it has changed

Short and concise is the aim like a job resume

You have to get their attention fast and within one page
The details can come later.....

You need to say everything in the fewest words that get the point across

I think the most important part is;
Info on how ymmss / sta is in violation of the federal securities laws
That is how sec.gov busted 12dailypro

Math proof that it is a ponzi scam with no outside income sources

Kelley needs to be convinced that it is worthwhile pursuing YMMSS / STA / Kim Inman

Make his job obvious and easy ;)

[ymmss_victim]

As hard as it is leave the emotional side out of it(at least for now). Facts and figures is what these people want.

[AvidA]

Here's a fact: You can't double money forever as stated in the original agreement which I have.

Figures: Keep trying to double your pennies forever...you get the gist. It really shouldn't be that difficult.

[yeppers]

I have already given my personal details to Yeppers
through PM .. for prior reasons re; STA / YMMSS

A suggestion would be to use one person (yeppers if she agrees)
for us to send personal details via private communication ..

Personal Details

Real Name
real Physical Address
real contact Phone
real email address
straight skinny --- HOW MUCH Have You LOST?

Various folks could be utilized for the various other components,

Arzel for example doing the Math proofs ..
Someone else for HISTORY
so on and so forth ..

THen have a edit review of say four members

And Get That Puppy Sent!

Michael

as always, i would be honored to compile the info and/or send the ONE email.

[mercinary]

It sounds like you all have this moving in the right direction. Get one representative (yeppers?) to preesnt the info. Work as a team to compile the data. IMPORTANT: Post the data here for review!

You should divide up the work. Each person should sign up to work on a selected pieces.

-Merc

[yeppers]

i have given permission to 'somebody' to send me 4 profiles she's gathered, so this is a great start.

of course this applies to everyone. send them and i'll put them into a database.

[Ferret]

It sounds like you all have this moving in the right direction. Get one representative (yeppers?) to preesnt the info. Work as a team to compile the data. IMPORTANT: Post the data here for review!

You should divide up the work. Each person should sign up to work on a selected pieces.
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3904&page=1&pp=25
Is Victim of YMMSS the largest dollar loser that has posted on MW?
$120,000

Does anyone know of "victims" that have lost as much or more?

What other high dollar "victims" have come forward?

We need this info for this sec.gov complaint

You can PM the info to Drankoolaid as he is the main man putting this email together
PM Drankoolaid (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=3775)

[Ferret]

My apologies to Salsa as he was the one that did the graphs on YMMSS (Not Arzel)

YMMSS Annual Report with Graphs
http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?p=37331#post37331

To help wind up 2005, I've made some updated graphs similar to earlier ones sprinkled through the YMMSS Cycle Times Explanation thread. It will be interesting to see how the charts compare with the ones that YMMSS will publish in the official Annual Report

[yeppers]

merc, thanks so much for the encouragement and the invaluable advice. not to mention making this place available for us to organize. :bow:

TO ALL: i'm getting a spreadsheet ready for names, contact info and net loss. would you mind confirming some guidelines? trying to keep it as KISS as possible. thanks in advance... :D

obviously, real name, real mailing address, real phone number, real email address, and net loss (total spent minus total received). ym usernames can be gathered later so as not to touch off 'issues with trust.'

and 'total spent' should include costs associated with purchase of the debit card, since it is available ONLY through STA, right?

and 'total received' would include monies from anything sold through sta advertising. cost of epc's for particular ad, minus amount rec'd for the product, info, whatever. even if you didn't show a profit for a particular ad, whatever money rec'd still counts 'against' our loss.

do not include the cost of items, if any, we purchased because of advertising seen in the safelist or the new link/banner farm.

A - TOTAL SPENT directly to sta (for EPC's or debit card),
MINUS B - TOTAL REC'D as a result of our involvement with sta.
(if 'A' equals less than 'B,' we've gained and not lost and basically have no business being here. lol )

regarding the value of doubling positions, unless we have actually received dollars (or pennies) for them - or a 1099. if we owe taxes, that counts toward 'net loss.' and, if our 'earnings' have been placed on hold, we haven't rec'd them so they don't qualify as 'rec'd.'

eventually, hard documentation and exact figures will be needed, so i'd like to take this chance to remind all participants to start gathering and compiling hard copies of bank/cc statements as proof of purchase and receipts directly from ymmss/sta and from any sales made from advertising, etc. make a designated file on our computers AND print/compile hard copies, too. a summary sheet would be very helpful, i'd think.

if any of this seems obvious or repetitive, i apologize. i just want to get this right! am i forgetting anything?? after i receive additional info/corrections, i'll start a new thread emphasizing these guidelines. THANKS AGAIN for contributing your expertise. :applause:

[Ferret]

Remember, this complaint is to sec.gov
They are primarily interested in........and will take action because

We allege that Kim Inman (YMMSS) defrauded investors by operating YMMSS / STA as almost a pure Ponzi scheme — using new investor monies to pay the promised returns to existing investors — in violation of the federal securities laws.

In fact, at least 95%??? of YMMSS / STA revenues have come from new investments in the form of membership fees from new or existing members. The other “multiple income streams” from advertising revenues or off-site investments touted by Kim Inman were either negligible or non-existent

Could Arzel, or someone? please rewrite this to apply fully to YMMSS / STA with mention of EPC's etc

PS: I have lost no money or have any involvement with YMMSS / STA so I
will not be doing any writing of this complaint

[drankoolaid]

Apologies In Advance For Double Postings
Just trying To Get It All Together ...

Excerpt and Quoted Material Courtesy of:
American Criminal Law Review, Georgetown University Law Center,

When to go criminal.

"The SEC focuses on two
factors in assessing the desirability of criminal
prosecution, which requires proof of willful intent
beyond a reasonable doubt (not the mere recklessness
that suffices for civil enforcement).

The first is clear
evidence of intent—sometimes the plotters even admit
their intent, thinking that carefully using legal methodology
will excuse them.

The second factor is the magnitude of
the harm to investors. The SEC looks at the care and
deliberation with which defendants constructed and implemented
the wrongful actions, the defendants’ *recidivist proclivities AND
the degree to which they personally profited,

and whether
they directed misleading statements specifically to
investment-related Internet audiences.

The profit motive
is less important than one might think; in several cases,
the defendants saw no profit.

Other common schemes. The SEC has pursued other
deceptive practices perpetrated by using the Internet.
Chief among these are fraudulent offerings
(Ponzi and pyramid schemes, phony bank instruments,
ethnic and other affinity-group targeted frauds) and
exotic offerings entailing bizarre offshore businesses or
even fictitious countries."

American Criminal Law Review, Georgetown University Law Center,
600 New Jersey Avenue, N.W., Washington, DC 20001.

End Quotes

*recidivist proclivities -- the likelihood of re-offending.
[This is where knowledge of "prior bad act's" would come in handy.]

source: http://www.bowne.com/newsletters/newsletter.asp?storyID=313

I found the bold highlighted text especially relevant ..
Also Note: I have learned that 20 million more or less
meets the prosecutorial / we are keenly interested in you sniff test --

Mr Inman's take is reportedly 30 Mil ?

Michael

Call me silly but IMHO --- YMMSS / STA is a real no brainer for SEC

[Ferret]

Prior to the fall of 2005 STA RETAIL was
formerly YMMSS a.k.a. Your Money Machine Success System

It was said (then) that these EPC's were the 'valuable' advertising product.
Not only could purchasers use them to post 'advertising' to any number of confusing (member only) message boards .

the EPC's value would actually DOUBLE in reasonable 'cycle' times.

In other words my single EPC purchase at $10.00
would give me a return of $20.00 dollars in 90 days.
Now WHERE else could one get a return on their money like that!!?

Valuable advertising PLUS double your money

YMMSS had a few rules however.

EPC purchase's are wholly non-refundable
(It's valuable advertising after all.)

Another RULE was we NEVER refer to YMMSS or EPC's as an INVESTMENT ..
That would be asking for trouble with the authorities.

The first is clear
evidence of intent—sometimes the plotters even admit
their intent, thinking that carefully using legal methodology
will excuse them.
This also needs to be re written to be clearer and more to the point
Please add to this and refine it
Can someone supply where YMMSS said:
Another RULE was we NEVER refer to YMMSS or EPC's as an INVESTMENT ..
That would be asking for trouble with the authorities.

[Ferret]

*recidivist proclivities -- the likelihood of re-offending.

This is where knowledge of Kim Inmans "prior bad act's" would come in handy.
Another task:

Someone please find and post here Kim Inmans known "prior bad act's" before YMMSS
I remember reading here and seeing old websites where he was promoting "Gifting Schemes" and some other stuff

Just provable facts please

No speculation

[drankoolaid]

I suppose in all fairness to those who have made
a lot of money with the YMMSS STA Ponzi it must be said.

You are INDEED liable in as much as your ill gotten gains
are now fair game. We can now take that question off the table.

Heavy hitters and big money winners can (and will) be
required to forfeit their excessive "profit's" -- it's the law.

This of course would be bad news for the big players ..
So it probably would not be to their advantage to join us.

On the other hand it's great news for all those whom have
lost money (both large and small) on ths little gem called YMMSS
/ STA / a.k.a. Success Through Advertising..

It's also good news for those still hanging in there hoping
against hope that you will one day get your money out.

Better to join us now and cut your losses on both the
financial AND legal side as well ..

Thanks,
Michael

[Ferret]

This link or a similar one should be included in the email ( It has been saved )

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/retirement_income/

It shows how the Ponzi was promoted and includes The Guarantee

With YMMSS, you are guaranteed to make a profit

Double your money back guarantee

"If you join our $10.00 a week or higher program and your commissions don't at least double your out-of-pocket expense at the end of 24 months, we will refund you double your total purchase amount."

Triple your money back guarantee

"If you join our $10.00 a week or higher program and your commissions don't at least double your out-of-pocket expense at the end of 36 months, we will refund you triple your total purchase amount."

-- Quoted directly from the YMMSS website

Where else do you see confidence like this?


Turn $10 into $640 in about a year.

Where else do you get interest like that? Not from ANY bank!

[AvidA]

I just spoke to an attorney who deal with Ponzi's and affinity fraud schemes from G2llc. His name is Rich Douglas and this is what he said:

He said we would all be best off licking our wounds and walking away. He said "I don't want to be banging my chest here but if there were a way to get swift justice I would tell you. But there's not. This con man has made provisions for people who he knew before hand would file against him. I won't take the case and I would suggest that you don't contact the SEC for your OWN GOOD. Because they will just drag you into it as well since you've paid into it. It's called "illgotten gains" to which you will have to pay back because there really is no business so there really is no business money. Only shuffled money. And anyone who files the SEC will look at as an "order of discorragement(sp?). And that means that if you paid in 3000.00 and Kim paid you 600.00, you will have to pay the 600.00 back because it came from the next Ponzi person. This is a nightmare! I deal with multi-million dollar companies, and am dealing with two right now that are also Ponzi's and there's no where near the 24,000 people in these two. This man has set up his game quite nicely so it's best to walk away and let the people who have paid in and made the most file the lawsuits against him after the Ponzi fails, and they always fail as you know because they're not businesses."
He went on to say that class action lawsuits would be the best way to go, but knocking on everyone's door, be it the Department of Justice or the Attorney General's office will do no good for us who want justice as we will be the first they look at and that's how we'll get dragged into it. He also stated he's been doing this for years and that he's heard of STA and it is, indeed a Ponzi and those who say that it isn't are in denial and are probably still searching for the Holy Grail", (lol) < that one made me laugh. But in short, there's not much we can do or even should do according to Rich Douglas because it could backfire terribly. The only thing that sounded remotely good to him was the class action lawsuits.

[itstheone]

Avida,
I hate to say it but Kim is probably grinning like a cheshire cat now.

[drankoolaid]

Hello All,

In this thread I stated clearly ..

IF one has made A LOT of money via the YMMSS Ponzi ..

They are going to be held accountable in terms of GROSS
profits and or gains .. as per the law.

I am like others here 'putting myself out there.'

WHY?

It certainly isn't because of my own great loss.

I just spoke by telephone with a member here who
INDEED is the real deal -- has LOST over $120,000 dollars
is in process of loosing his home -- and has lost his family.

He was 'sold' by Kim Inman personally. He will make a great witness.

He has come forward -- he had lodged formal complaint
with serious government agencies (as an individual)
and has come here to Matrix Watch for help.

He also knows of other 'large donors' who have simply walked
away. He will be contacting them to see if they may change their minds.

Imagine what he will think reading what you have written!

I am not trying to be harsh. No one (certainly not me) thought
this process was going to be easy. I do think however it will be
worthwhile. Ultimately however I will leave that for others to decide.

Frankly I do not care about this lawyers opinion.
He certainly has no interest (that I know of) in the case.

If we can get the SEC - FBI - Postal People or Whomever
to ACT then we are making good progress ..

If we can bring LEGAL action -- then we are certainly that
much closer to bringing CIVIL Action and getting MEdia Attention.

If some made a few bucks and are now worried I am sorry.

If the majority feels / felt this way then we can simply
fold up shop and forget it -- stop cryin and move on ..

I won't however until the majority tell me too or until
all avenues have been exhausted ..

Michael

[ymmss_victim]

I've seen this before:

What you paid in will be treated as a separate issue from what you got out. They will say "sorry" on the paid in part, but then nail you on the paid out part.

Would it be better then to only have people who have never received a dime out?

The people then who have received could only take comfort in his prosecution.

[hub1]

Avida, just one lawyer's opinion. not carved in stone.

Find a lawyer who is hungry, and has a real low tolerance for con artists

[Arzel]

Don't give up, I propose this lawyer figures the work is not worth the gain (to him). Do as Hub mentioned, you are bound to find a lawyer that would be willing to take this case, and don't listen to him about not filing with the SEC. Furthermore, here is a lawyer who states he knows that YMMSS is a ponzi scheme, doesn't he have some responsibility as a lawyer to report this himself?

Most of the people here have had nothing returned, and are in essence out everything they have put in. To these people there is no reason not to file. Don't let Kim get away with this, you know he will just do it again.

[AvidA]

I thought about that. But if it's true I don't want him to cause even more poverty because of this.
And there's always class action lawsuit ;)
Posting now...sorry about that, I was on the phone.

This attorney that I spoke to alluded to the fact that there's only two people in his firm and they're already working on two other Ponzi's. I got the distinct impression that it wasn't the money that he didn't think it was worth it but rather the amount of people. He told me 24000 people was a huge undertaking and asked me if I was prepared for it because people can become obsessed. I just laughed--but he mentioned the amount of members again. So I think it would be worth looking into a bigger firm, perhaps??

[Somebody]

Hello All,

In this thread I stated clearly ..

IF one has made A LOT of money via the YMMSS Ponzi ..

They are going to be held accountable in terms of GROSS
profits and or gains .. as per the law.

I am like others here 'putting myself out there.'

WHY?

It certainly isn't because of my own great loss.

I just spoke by telephone with a member here who
INDEED is the real deal -- has LOST over $120,000 dollars
is in process of loosing his home -- and has lost his family.

He was 'sold' by Kim Inman personally. He will make a great witness.

He has come forward -- he had lodged formal complaint
with serious government agencies (as an individual)
and has come here to Matrix Watch for help.

He also knows of other 'large donors' who have simply walked
away. He will be contacting them to see if they may change their minds.

Imagine what he will think reading what you have written!

I am not trying to be harsh. No one (certainly not me) thought
this process was going to be easy. I do think however it will be
worthwhile. Ultimately however I will leave that for others to decide.

Frankly I do not care about this lawyers opinion.
He certainly has no interest (that I know of) in the case.

If we can get the SEC - FBI - Postal People or Whomever
to ACT then we are making good progress ..

If we can bring LEGAL action -- then we are certainly that
much closer to bringing CIVIL Action and getting MEdia Attention.

If some made a few bucks and are now worried I am sorry.

If the majority feels / felt this way then we can simply
fold up shop and forget it -- stop cryin and move on ..

I won't however until the majority tell me too or until
all avenues have been exhausted ..

Michael


Michael, I do NOT care about the money, for myself, there are others I do care about the money for. This is NOT about money for me, it is about TRUTH and JUSTICE. This is my vote, please do not stop, Yeppers, this is my vote do not stop; hub1 keep working, you all have my moral support. so far i have gotten one victim to sign up, more are on the way, these things take a few hours for each one... TRUTH, :flame: JUSTICE :flame: AND THE AMERICAN WAY. :flame: :flame: maybe Johnny Cochran would take the case. I KNOW there is some lawyer out there that would LOVE this case.

[Somebody]

Don't give up, I propose this lawyer figures the work is not worth the gain (to him). Do as Hub mentioned, you are bound to find a lawyer that would be willing to take this case, and don't listen to him about not filing with the SEC. Furthermore, here is a lawyer who states he knows that YMMSS is a ponzi scheme, doesn't he have some responsibility as a lawyer to report this himself?

Most of the people here have had nothing returned, and are in essence out everything they have put in. To these people there is no reason not to file. Don't let Kim get away with this, you know he will just do it again.


RIGHT. DONT GIVE UP. I BELIEVE IN TRUTH :flame: JUSTICE :flame: AND THE AMERICAN WAY :flame: AND REVENGE FOR ALL THOSE RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS MODS OVER THERE WHO WERE RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS TO ME AND OTHERS. :flame: :flame: :flame: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE F666ING MONEY FOR ME :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

[yeppers]

I'M STILL HERE!!

it's not about the money for me either. it's about wiping the grin offa that evil cheshire cat, and keeping him from eating more birds.

[yeppers]

I'M STILL HERE!!

it's not about the money for me either. it's about wiping the grin offa that evil cheshire cat, and keeping him from eating more innocent birds.

I WANT TO SEE KIM INMAN BEHIND BARS. ESTO, MIKE H. ALL OF 'EM!!

charis johnson seemed really nice, she wanted to issue refunds. maybe she could help us??

[Ferret]

The title of this Thread still is

Need Info to Report YMMSS STA Kim Inman Scam to sec.gov by email
I would like to get it back on track

Drankoolaid has been doing most of the work.......

If you don't want to help or have something to offer please don't post here

This is a focussed thread that doesn't need any atta boys or cheerleading or other diversions

There are many questions that need to be found and put together before Friday because the email is going out on time

Thanks

[AvidA]

If Johnny Cochran defended us that would be a bad omen since he's dead. lol

Tomorrow I call the Department of Justice. I already mailed them but I am better with the phone. I will also storm the castle for another attorney firm that wants to invest time in 24000 people. I wonder why that worked him up?

[Ferret]

Another task:

Someone please find and post here Kim Inmans known "prior bad act's" before YMMSS
I remember reading here and seeing old websites where he was promoting "Gifting Schemes" and some other stuff

Just provable facts please

No speculation
Lots of new YMMSS people here......
Feels like a party ;)
Is anyone working on this?

There are more questions buried on the first page

[AvidA]

Ok, most of these are old sites leading up to YM. Notice the guaranteed returns everywhere. The other "fly-in Ads" is something else he was involved in but there's more! Give me a little time. I didn't notice that you wanted this stuff or I would have been looking. I save everything, love.

http://www.flyinads.com/home.php?rid=6879&tracker=self2

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/freedealsonline/message/13453

http://www.wealthsecret.net/ymmss.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/your_free_money_machine_safelist/


I am still looking. ;)

[Ferret]

http://ymforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=29852

thank you Antonio for your reply.I'm still waiting for the right time to get in due to my experience with other programs.another thing thing is the negative feedback from other forum ;) keeps me from commitimg my money and time here.but still I'm being neutral since the nature of online programs are really confusing.

Hi again andang, Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:52 am

Certainly my friend.

We are currently running at around 27,000 members????, and growing fast :confused: ! but we will keep a place for you and Alice anytime you're ready.

Cheers.

Antonio.

Everyone asking the "wrong questions" gets disappeared fast

Moved: Checking it out Said his friend had $6000 with no pay and had lost his house
Moved: Not Getting Payments
Moved: I've been gone a long time !
Moved: Explain on an example!
Moved: Kim's message in today's newsletter
Moved: How to advertise STA , or tell a Friend
Moved: Buying EPC's
Moved: quick questions :)
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