Hello Board

[leak]

I bring inside news for all.

[mikv]

So what "inside" news have you to share with us?

[leak]

A multi million dollar punitive damages lawsuit has been drafted against matrixwatch.org and its major proponents. The suit will be undetaken in a joint effort by three legal representatives hired for the process. The suit will not be filed until after the EZexpo case has settled.

Serveral matrix site owners along with several customers of these sites who has been affected by Matrixwatch.org's anti-matrix site crusade have banded together to get to the reality behing their industry and finaly settle the legalities of their site. The process has been ongoing now for approximately 5 weeks. Initial finding have revealed several pieces of conclusive evidence that will be used to present the case of the suit (including correspondence from 13 state attorney generals, 7 state lottery and gaming comission representitives). The case will also strongly emphasize inside information that has been found on the main administrators of Matrixwatch.org that will negatively affect the case against EZexpo if presented.

The suit will also seek discovery by means of a subpoena to present records of all posts on the site but mainly those of the main administrators.

No additional peices of information will be furnished on this site. Arguments of the suit will be kept confidential until the case has been offficially filed.

Matrix site owners who wish to get information should email leak21@hotmail.com. You will be put through a verification process to validate that you are a site owner. However, please note that not all sites will qualify to join (there are actually bad sites we will avoid) You should also include your username on this site in your email correspondence.

[concerned]

Why should they give you all of their information in order to verify them. Who are you? I see you have a hotmail account. Also, why should they give you their usernames that they use here. How do you know if they use a specific username just to have anonymity while posting here. All I know, is that if I were going to give you information so that I could go through a verification process, and give up my anonymity, I would want to verify who you are first. I am an educated person, and I am definately AGAINST the concepts of the matrix site, but at the same time, I am here because I don't want to see ANYBODY get scammed, and to be fair, that would have to include the matrix owners. How are they supposed to know what you are going to do with their information?

How do they know if you aren't planning something like what uwantme reported about an attack on another matrix owner.

I am not saying that you are a scammer or not, but I am just curious about that.



In addition to those concerns, you bring up a very interesting point. You say that customers are also involved in this suit. I wonder why. I know that when I go to a store and buy something, and the store closes the next day, I still have that item that I bought. My buying something was INDEPENDANT of the stability of that company, or their dependance of other customers. I would hate to go to a car dealership, buy a car, and then have to wait till someone else buys a car before I can take mine home.

The fact that other customers were hurt shows that their dependance of future customers implies that there was a ponzi scheme at work.

[Agent|Star]

Hehehe... like i said everything is a potential lawsuit. I'm curious on this one.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by leak
I bring inside news for all.

Mr. "Leak" just joined this morning. His first post here was at, as you can see yourself, 11:07 AM. We are the first forum on the internet to be notified about these details. I checked every matrix forum out there known to man, but I could not find any details. Well, except for one. EzExpo's old MSN forum "Matrixforum" is a place where Shelby Ware posts almost every other day. Now, this morning this is what he said. Notice that the time is about 50 minutes before the first post in this thread.

From: Admin2 Sent: 8/14/2003 10:15 AM

kunalap, matrixwatch... is not a matrix site. That is Timmy's site. He is the reason you can't get your money. He has sued us on your behalf and the payment company you used. He will be sued later this inidviduals he has harrassed.

Also this forum is no source of information, sorry it is no longer used for that.

Shelby

FROM: http://groups.msn.com/matrixforum/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=8302&LastModified=4675434529302336546


Sued by individuals? Later this year? How did he know that? Remember, this information was not available anywhere else before we found out. So if he couldn't read it here first, how did he know? Also, in "leak's" second post, notice how dependent this lawsuit is upon the EzExpo suit:

Originally posted by leak
The suit will not be filed until after the EZexpo case has settled

Well, why would that matter to anyone? If there are measureable damages as he claims there are, shouldn't the case be filed right now? So, let's get this straight. There will be a lawsuit filed after the EzExpo case, right? Then why does this next statement matter:

Originally posted by leak
The case will also strongly emphasize inside information that has been found on the main administrators of Matrixwatch.org that will negatively affect the case against EZexpo if presented.


How will it negatively affect my case against EzExpo if it is filed AFTER the EzExpo case? Let me tell you what is really going on here...

Now, I could be wrong, but I think Mr. "Leak" is an alias for Shelby Ware and he is trying to solicit information from you. He wants to gather information from you in the name of a big lawsuit, when actually it is for his defence alone.

[MatrixWatch]

And for all of you who have been asking me, No, I am not worried about a countersuit. If the other side goes so far as to pull a countersuit, or another lawsuit, then there is a counterstrategy already in place. I will turn up the heat much higher if I sense that the customer's money is in any danger of not going back to them. Internet-marketing schemes have taken off with too many people's money in the past, and I will not allow this to happen under my leadership as private attorney general for the class.

[concerned]

This is very funny. By the way leek, if you are not really Shelby, then I have news for you. That information is not new. It was posted by you, OOPS I MEAN SHELBY, in another thread.

This is that thread. I started the thread by quoting something Shelby stated in another thread that he was hijacking.

Anyway, in the quote that I posted to start the thing off, he states that he is IGNORING the lawsuit. Then later on, he states that he has 4 lawyers. Why would someone have 4 lawyers if they were going to just ignore the lawsuit. On top of that, if he says that he is ignoring the lawsuit, then why does he mention this countersuit. Filling a countersuit is NOT ignoring this lawsuit.

For anyone that wants to read, here is the link to that thread.

http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=333

[hurley9192]

I agree with Concerned...if the site is really selling ebooks or whatever, then why would a customer be mad that he didn't get the prize?

It shows that whoever is involved is really running a ponzi scheme and that their customers are really buying a spot in line, not the secondary prize given as a decoy.

Good luck Leak, I hope that I can be on the defense side to help value the damages because I'd love to see what you've actually lost solely due to Watchdog's presence. Watchdog...you know where to find me for your damages calculation...

[concerned]

In addition, I would like to add how funny I think it is that he mentions having attorney generals and lottery commission members on his side. We all know that he is really running AWAY from them faster that lightening.

[MatrixWatch]

I never heard of someone who lost a case or defaulted suing the other side for malicious prosecution.

Also, no lawyer would have his client post on a website soliciting support for a lawsuit BEFORE it is filed.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by leak
...(including correspondence from 13 state attorney generals, 7 state lottery and gaming comission representitives).

I don't understand this part. Have they spoken with all these people? Are there really 7 states that have lottery and gaming commission representatives?

[peterdragin]

I wonder if he has ever read the Attorney Genrals complaint form? it's confidential information.

Nice try shelby.

[Agent|Star]

Im curious of the entire thing... Im also wondering why this person adresses all site owners for this case.... I wouldnt say all site owners have been effected by MatrixWatch..

Wouldnt you request only site owners that have bumped head with this place?

[FightingBack]

Geese people you seem uptight about this. You all are all over this. If you really didn't care I don't think you would be posting post after post. I'm not sticking up for this person, nor will I until more info is given. But please give them room to say something LoL!

Anyways, if this is true and this person is filing a lawsuit against MatrixWatch, I hope they do. I can see from their point of view. Anyone could have guessed that there would be a counter lawsuit against WatchDog once he created this site and started attacking matrix sites. He has lost peoples money by threatening some sites to shut down. (This is what it seems like lately, I don't mean your vulnerably threatening sites by just coming out and saying it.) He has also caused freezes in accounts to stop people from even getting refunds when a site shuts down. I am not surprised to read this persons post at all. And I honestly hope this isn't BS and that it really is true.

Even if this is not, I think a counter lawsuit is bound to happen anyways.

I admit that I was a matrix player and MatrixWatch did lose me some money by reporting sites, and reporting merchant accounts. After their accounts got froze they couldn't offer refunds, nor give out the prizes. This is one reason they mention in their posts why their sueing.

Watch Dog I would be careful, because I do see a counter lawsuit coming your way from someone. It's just bound to happen and I'm sure they will get you because you have lost sites thousands of dollars as some claim.

Like I said I am not taking anyones side until real proof is showen.

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by FightingBack
He has also caused freezes in accounts to stop people from even getting refunds when a site shuts down...

...I admit that I was a matrix player and MatrixWatch did lose me some money by reporting sites, and reporting merchant accounts. After their accounts got froze they couldn't offer refunds, nor give out the prizes.

You don't know what you are talking about. The decision to freeze accounts was the choice of the pay companies, and it has been a serious issue since last year, way before I came around. PaySystems froze EzExpo's cash in February, Kagi, CCNow, PayPal, and other companies like them have been doing the same thing for a while. Yes, it was the lawsuit that led the recent pay companies to begin freezing accounts, but that was their decision, not mine. Those pay companies have begun to issue refunds to everyone involved in the matrix sites. It seems that they are rushing to get this done before the court hearing. So, I will challenge you on your claim that I hurt customers who cannot get refunds. On the contrary, it is the lawsuit that has opened the door to easier refunds. Just look at companies like CSI who are not mentioned in the lawsuit. People are running against a brick wall with them. Why? No lawsuit.

I have been through all of this "countersuit talk" before. Like I said, I have already braced myself for this. I opened this site and made legal suggestions completely within legal guidlines. I have daily guidance from lawyers on what I do with Matrix Watch. I also have a few options to pursue if the matrix sites choose to squirm. So far, however, most of the people have been pretty cooperative.

[hurley9192]

once again, how do you lose money from a site closing, when you received the "actual" thing you were there to buy?

You don't get the cake and eat it...if the site is not setup only for the prizes, like has been argued, then you should have received you very overpriced ebook and not worry about the prize, because you weren't going to get it in the first place, right?

Now, you want to complain about losing money? You haven't lost anything according to your previous rules, right?

Just goes to show that they are pretty much ponzi schemes, when people are complaining of losing money because they didn't get their "free" gift.

[mjkski]

Right on hurley. I don't understand why they cant see that!!!!

[northstar5757]

Yes the whole countersuite is just gonna draw more attention to the matrix and result in a faster breakdown. If this post is true I hope they are dumb enough to try it. BTW why not mention the atourney generals and lottery commision members who are on your side? I can understand leaving otu the names of the matrix owners but there is no reason to leave out the others....