The Country Club a scam or huge thing?

[lobster]

https://thecountryclub.us/ the link.
This things really make me confuse. U see the idea is very good, online game MLM is new and has huge potential in it. But after u see the payout, it means that they doesnt earn a cent nor pay a cent to member if it is true. They claim that they earn from adver posted in the game by 500 fortune company. This program is owned by MVP online. I have tried the game and it seeems ok to me.

I have been trying to gather legit info to proof that TCC is not a scam or ponzi but failed to gather so far. Any1 has info to share on this? thankx!

[emanuel]

This was the famous Golf game that YMMSS / STA had last year that went no where. It was called YMMSS Golf and was introduced as the greatest income stream besides the YM Auctions.

Thanks
:applause: lol

[lobster]

oh edited by mercinary - please read forum rules regarding cursing, then u mean it is part of YM? Do u mean that MVP online is from YM too? and what about the 11years old and financial strong claim? are those false claim?

[neighbor]

Of course all of those are gone now ....FOUR

[matol-km.com]

Hello,

I was contacted by a family friend and I was asked about joining bizbuzz.com (selling online marketing tools), that just joined their matrix with a company called The Country Club (selling online Golf game). All owned by Online Exchange Inc (Also known as - MVP Online).

Back in Jan, 06 Bizbuzz said they are going to start adding 1000 people per day into their Matrix from their sister companies, and people wanting to take part in this, must be at Silver level ($99 investment) or higher.

As far as I can tell The Country Club is a Pyramid scheme.

The compensation plan is paying for the mere act of recruiting. No retailing requirement.

You buy into the next level with your own commission checks, that you use to purchase products and recruit to move up.

It goes something like this, you get 3 to join at level A, you then take your recruiting bonus for getting those 3, give it back to the company and then you move up to level B. You then find 3 who will do what you did, and then you move up to level C.... And this roll-up keeps going and promising specific and greater income the higher you go, until you stop. This is all date and time sensitive.

The people that own Bizbuzz and The Country Club run another company call MVP Network, which has its own opportunity for selling and making money off of getting people to advertise on the same online game.

I count three companies/opportunities you can join to make money off of this online game. MVP Online also runs another company called eGolfInternational, another way of making money off this same online game.

MVP Online also have a web site called weeklytournament.com and you can buy tickets to play the Weekly online Golf Tournament. You pay $90 for five tickets or chances to win the $10,000 prize. This is not apart of the other opportunities.

MVP Online run other online opportunities not talked about above.

Online opportunities run by the Online Exchange Inc
(Also known as - MVP Online)

Links and opportunities for the Golf game opportunity:
Links Removed By Webwatch. Reason=Under Review

[matol-km.com]

This was the famous Golf game that YMMSS / STA had last year that went no where. It was called YMMSS Golf and was introduced as the greatest income stream besides the YM Auctions.

Thanks
:applause: lol

WoW, The GoldenFairway online Golf game was carried by another company before, called Your Money Machine Success System (YMMSS), which changed to Success Through Advertising/STA.

This keeps getting better and better.

This old url myymgolf.com used by YMMSS, now points everyone to goldenfairwayfx.com by MVP.

What can you tell me about GreatShot.com sounds like it may use the same game.

[jokach]

wow, they have alot of URL's (i consider it bait) pointing to the same scheme.

I'm a little confused on how they implement the 'golf system' into the whole scheme. I certainly see that somehow they are keeping score, is it some sort of thing where the score is based on the number of recruits, or the amount of money made?

I guess i'm trying to understand exactly what the impact is to consumers in this scheme, and how the people at the top are getting rich. I doesn't seem clear to me .... (or maybe i'm not getting something here.)

jokach

[matol-km.com]

wow, they have alot of URL's (i consider it bait) pointing to the same scheme.

I'm a little confused on how they implement the 'golf system' into the whole scheme. I certainly see that somehow they are keeping score, is it some sort of thing where the score is based on the number of recruits, or the amount of money made?

I guess i'm trying to understand exactly what the impact is to consumers in this scheme, and how the people at the top are getting rich. I doesn't seem clear to me .... (or maybe i'm not getting something here.)

jokach

I have also been told that it could be a Ponzi scheme!
It has parts of both types of schemes.

[matol-km.com]

In my first post I was wrong about MVP running bizbuzz. As you will see in some of my new posts, that a TCC distributor that was not making money as first as he wanted developed Bizbuzz to transfer people to TCC.

WoW, boy was I wrong. Bizbuzz is run out of the same office, my bad, Sorry.

[matol-km.com]

Let me give you a Checklist, for the information I have on the TCC opportunity, which joined pay plans with bizbuzz.

If my information is wrong please correct it in detail.
As in my first post, my information maybe wrong, I am very open to the idea.
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Is the product proprietary to the company, and available only through its distributors?

Answer is yes and no. MVP has more then "ONE" company with an opportunity with the Golf game as a product. So, only MVP Distributors can sell the game, but they have more then "ONE" company doing it.

Can you participate in the company's program without having to make any investment other than purchasing a sales kit or demonstration materials sold at company cost?

Answer is yes and no, unless you only want to stay on the first level. You can not participate in the program without an investment.

Can you become a distributor or sales representative without having to fulfill a minimum up-front purchase or inventory requirement? Does the company's compensation plan discourage inventory loading?

Answer is yes and no, other then the first level, you need to purchase products to move up, not sell them. So, the plan does not discourage inventory loading.

Are sales commissions paid only on actual products or services sold through distributors in the network to the end-user or consumer? (This means that products don't end up in basements and closets. They are used, because they have genuine value.) Does the compensation plan avoid paying commissions or bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting? (If it pays headhunting fees, it is illegal.)

Answer is just no.

Will the company buy back inventory and sales kit materials from distributors who cancel their participation in the program, as long as these items are in resalable condition? (This policy is required in states that have adopted multilevel distribution statutes.)

I don't have an answer for this one, I am hoping you do.

Is there an emphasis on actual retail sales to end-consumers? Can the company demonstrate efforts to market products to the consumer? Do the company's distributors have ongoing retailing requirements to qualify for commissions? What is a "retail sale?" The industry and many MLM statutes include both sales to nonparticipants and purchases in reasonable amounts for personal use by distributors. Some regulatory groups, including the FTC, have historically rejected personal use as a legitimate retail sale.

Answer is no. MVP has no retailing requirements to qualify for commissions.

Are distributors in the company required to actively participate in the development and management of their networks? (Many of the MLM statutes require that distributors perform bona fide, supervisory, distributing, selling, or soliciting functions in moving product to the ultimate consumer.)

Answer is yes and no. Other then soliciting distributors to get bonuses for the mere act of sponsoring or recruiting, I would have to say no. But again, I am unsure and hope you have an answer.

Do the company's literature and training materials scrupulously avoid claims of income potential that is promises of specific income levels other than demonstrations of verifiable income levels within its program? (The Federal Trade Commission, attorneys general, and postal inspectors all have their eyes on the matter of earnings representations. The acceptable approach emerging is that there should be no earnings representations unless they are based on a verifiable track record of the average earnings of distributors. For instance, a company should have statistics to show the percentage of active distributors and the average earnings of active distributors.)

Answer is no.

Does the company offer its independent distributors solid training opportunities in sales and recruitment? Are different levels of training offered to match the increasing levels of experience and responsibilities of distributors?

I don't have an answer for this one, I am hoping you do.

This is a good checklist with respect to legitimacy vs. pyramid, but it is just a checklist. Again, how can MVP do things other "real" mlm companies can't?

[matol-km.com]

"Mark Petchel is the first Country Club distributor to get paid $218,700. Mark earned this in less than 4 weeks."

EDITED BY ADMIN: Note that personal information cannot be posted on these forums for legal reasons, and therefore have been removed.

If you want this information please PM the poster. We have no problem with this information being transmitted via private medium.

[matol-km.com]

EDITED BY ADMIN: Note that personal information cannot be posted on these forums for legal reasons, and therefore have been removed.

If you want this information please PM the poster. We have no problem with this information being transmitted via private medium.

[matol-km.com]

Here is a cool little reading.


09.02.2006 - 18:07h
Announcing Our Joint Venture Partner
PixAdsPay is pleased to announce its Joint Venture with BizBuzz, the marketing portal that is revolutionizing online marketing.

Kurt Neufeld, owner of PixAdsPay, along with Mark Petchel and Ted Robbins of BizBuzz made the announcement at 8pm EST tonight.

Through the joint venture, BizBuzz will enroll its members into PixAdsPay when they reach a given performance level. In exchange, PixAdsPay will provide BizBuzz brand
awareness to visitors on the PixAdsPay site.

Further details of the joint venture will be given on BizBuzz's Tuesday night call at 9pm Eastern. The number for the BizBuzz call is 641-793-7500 Pin: 147410# Call in early, the lines will be packed. BizBuzz regularly has between 8 and 10 thousand people on per call.

This is a joint venture of great magnitude, and we hope you will extend a warm welcome to the vast number of new PixAdsPay members that will join through this partnership.

The PixAdsPay launch is beginning to take shape, and we are glad to have you along with us!

[matol-km.com]

Here is another little cool read, I found on a web site.

The Story of Mark Petchel
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Thanks so much to Sheri Bonay for providing this information from a phone conversation she had with Mark.

Mark told us he had joined the original country club and sponsored 128 members. Things were not moving as fast as he thought they would and so to help his members; he devised his OWN matrix and comp plan and came back in leading a forced 3x matrix and we are the ones benefiting from this.

Draw a triangle, and that is the main TCC. Then, draw a triangle inside that triangle that is the MARK PETCHEL COUNTRY CLUB BIZ MATRIX we are all in and THAT is a forced matrix.

The problem with going "wide" in the matrix is now you have too many levels to fill and it will take forever to do so. Each one of those personals is another personal to fill under and it just wasn't happening. Also if any of those members decide to cash out instead of rollup....guess what? It stops your entire line and this is what happened to Mark. He asked Paul Schneider, CEO of TCC, if he could come back in designing his OWN 3x forced matrix. Paul agreed, and Country Club Bizz Matrix was born.

Spillover counts as personals in the ROLLUP MATRIX of the CountryClubBiz so that everyone is concentrating on ONE line under them to get to that all deserving level of $218,700 alot quicker than if you have several front line matrices.

In Mark's mind, he was thinking "OK, this forced matrix needs to allow for spillover to count as personals so we all reach that $218,700 level faster but we still need to reward those who are giving up their personals to help qualify those in the rollup matrix. So that is where the equity bonuses and unilevel come into play.

Once you have 3 personals tied to you directly then you not only qualify for the rollup matrix but the unilevel and the equity bonuses too. This is your reward for sponsoring so many personals. Every 3 members you sponsor, you are awarded another position in the equity bonuses...and this will build as your personals start sponsoring people too.

But, then he said...but you know what...not everyone is going to be able to sponsor 3 members all by themselves so this is why Bizbuzz was created.

Now all of these members who are in the rollup matrix benefiting from spillover but panicking cause they don't have their 3 to be qualified for the other 2 streams of income will be imported into bizbuzz as founding members.

Given a week to upgrade to a silver which in turns rewards you by placing you in the company rotator that will be viewed on billions of sites around the world.

If someone comes to bizbuzz and lands on your page and signs up... guess what??? You just got yourself a personal and guess what? That personal becomes your PERSONAL IN TCC if they elect to get the free position once they cycle and guess what that does? 3 of those and you are qualified not only for the rollup matrix but now the other 2 additional streams of income and for every 3 people who see the value in bizbuzz as you did and upgrade to silver as you did, that promotes you to gold and gives you yet ANOTHER position in the countryclubbiz matrix. Do you know where that position is going to go??

Mark is brilliant! He wants to make sure he gets to that $218,700 level too right? He can't do that if there are holes all over his matrix can he?? Once you cycle in Bizbuzz and get that new position; that new position falls on the first available open slot in the highest position in the bizbuzz matrix. That could be on the 4th level when your main position may be on the 8th level...that one the 4th level could cycle faster than your main one depending on under who and where you land.

Lets not forget the 14 top marketers that are coming into bizbuzz and will be placed throughout the matrix. I'm looking at our matrix and I am seeing a very wide gap on level 5 in the center....I bet you one of those top marketers are going to fall in our matrix somewhere cause mark is going to be looking at the matrix and trying to decide what is the best approach for filling it even....see what I am getting at??

So you people worried about getting your 3 at this stage in the game. Don't be! If you are really concerned about it then do what a few other members have done sponsor your 3 positions under yourself. You've been seeing luk01, luk02 luk03 and even luk09....these guys are not hurting for cash but see the value of what we have here and are maximizing on it now creating their own positions under themselves and qualifying fast for all income streams.

If you can afford it, go for it! The only thing that will be a hindrance is the time factor. If you don't get your 3 right away; you may miss out on commissions in the short term but eventually this matrix is going to be filled by these extra positions being created and nothing is going to stop that. Everyone has a goal to get to that $218,700 level and if we have holes in our matrix then guess where the concentration is going to go?? You guessed it!

[matol-km.com]

And more cool reads from a web site.

Our Main Business TCC
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For all practical purposes, our business actually consists of three different business models rolled into one. Our "core business" is The Country Club or TCC as we call it.

TCC is an online golf game (not gambling) distributed both on CD as well as by online downloads. The company is currently developing other games to add to the line-up for those who are not so golf friendly! Your customers can play online tournaments, win prizes and cash and participate in live chat, all while playing a game they love. You earn money not only be selling the CD's or downloads, but also by introducing others to the business opportunity. There are a few income streams that you can participate in, and those will be explained later... this is just an explanation of the business itself.

The Country Club is a subsidiary of MVP online, which is an 11 year old company based in St. Louis, Missouri. The Country Club hasdeveloped a method for us to profit from the online game industry. We make money through the use of a family-oriented, online golf game. You don't have to be a golfer, a gamer, or a technician to make serious money with this business, which is what makes it so successful. You have a very wide market of people to sell to!

It's management is top notch too, and they are very involved in the business and communicating with us daily. You can find detailed information on them at thecountryclub.us/company.cfm.

Folks, this is the core business, and it is a fantastic one at that. But, for most people, any online business can be very hard to operate if you do not:

1) Know the business forwards and backwards
2) Have a warm market of people ready to enroll with you
3) OR know how to advertise the product and get people to respond and sign up beneath you.

The number 1 we are taking care of as we speak. It is your responsibility to know your business in and out so that you can market the information properly to those you are marketing to. No one can do it for you, because if someone asks you a question and they feel you do not know enough about the business you are promoting... why one earth would they sign up? Granted, there may be times when they ask an off the wall question you may have to search for the answer for, but for the most part, you need to know your product.

The last two issues are really one in the same. It all involves marketing, getting your business in front of as many people as you can. Some people are quite skilled at it, and can do it with no help at all. The methods on doing this will also be addressed later. But for those of us who may not be so skilled with the silver tongue, we have our two side businesses which will help us out quite nicely.

BizBuzz and Official Game Center are our two arms, if you will, and these arms will provide the tools necessary for us to succeed in this business. Each of them have their benefits, each marketing to a very distinct group of marketers, all feeding into TCC. It is the perfect marriage of tools, as I will explain in the next topic, BB and OGC.

BB and OGC (Our advertising arms)
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BizBuzz (BB) and Official Game Center (OGC) are the two arms of our main business that we will use to advertise the business and bring people into our downlines. (A downline is simply a word we use to describe our entire team that falls below us in the business. This would be anyone whom you sign up as well as anyone they sign up and so on, straight down the line. When we refer to our upline, we are referring to our sponsor, or the one who signed us up… and their sponsor, all the way up the line.) These two “portals” as we will call them will each market to different types of people who will become our customers, or perhaps distributors under us. Both of them are excellent resources for us to tap into, especially if we are not that skilled in attaining distributors underneath us. Given that we need three personally enrolled distributors beneath us in our main business to qualify for all three levels of income we can derive from it, this is extremely important. The faster we introduce three people to this business and TEACH them how to introduce three people themselves, the faster we will all succeed. In this business, and particularly on this team, we do not intend to leave anyone behind. We are here to make sure you get the information, training and support that you need to get this business started right… because when you succeed, we succeed.

BizBuzz is the first arm I will discuss. It is this business that has intrigued me most in this scenario, as although our main income will come from TCC at first, BizBuzz has the potential to not only help us introduce TCC to the world, but to also allow us to build many different income streams to go right along with it. And, BizBuzz has a compensation plan all it’s own! So, we can make money while advertising TCC… or any other business we may be involved with for that matter. BizBuzz will off a suite of marketing tools such as blasters, submitters, email, etc. that we can use to advertise any business with, including TCC. They will also off paid sign-ups for those of us who want to be completely passive, although that would never be my first choice, and they will rotate all silver members and above with their own company mass advertisements. They have contracts with 14 of the internet’s top marketers to begin bringing their downlines in after our prelaunch is over, which is coming up shortly… so don’t delay! You will definitely be happy you were in before the rush! You will need to see your upline to see if they have a position in this business and make sure you sign up under them if they do. If they do not, have them pass you upline to someone who does, and we will still be building under our own team!


BizBuzz will also be offering more tools in the future, as well as it’s own ISP and many other services. It is set to become the internet’s next big thing, and we are all founders. Can you imagine if you have been involved with yahoo or something of the like at the very beginning? WOW! And, you guessed it folks; we will be earning commissions on all of these things, plus any future endeavors and partnerships they take on. For a closer look, please see Referal Id Removed. This company was developed by a man named Mark Petchel, and for more about him, please see the topic The Story of Mark Petchel.

Official Game Center is the newest member of our trio, and it is developed by our very own upline, for the use of OUR TEAM only! Anyone coming into our business through our entire line may use it, but if they were involved in another team of the company they would actually have to buy a new position in order to benefit from this one. It was developed by our own upline, Curt and Stefan and their partner Clint, who are also awesome team players! The developed OGC to ensure that everybody gets three people beneath him or her in the rollup matrix. Within this program lies the P.A.C., which is an Advertising Co-Op. All members of the Official Game Center are entered into this advertising co-op and continue to receive FREE advertising until they have three members on the first level of their Rollup Matrix. There are also other benefits to this program, as it will advertise not only to marketers, but also to the gamers who will like TCC for the game alone, let alone the business opportunity. It will also enable you to sell the downloads, as up until now, this was just a side thought! The first 500 positions in this system will be sold for only $29.95, so be sure to get in as soon as possible! After those first 500 positions are gone, they will go up to $49.95, which is still very reasonable considering it will get you your three and qualify you for all income levels. You can see why this is also a valuable tool and one that might interest anyone who signs up below you! You will need to see your upline to see if they have a position in this business and make sure you sign up under them if they do. If they do not, have them pass you upline to someone who does, and we will still be building under our own team!
To learn more, just go to Referral ID Removed

[matol-km.com]

Since Mark started Bizbuzz, does that mean everyone that joined bizbuzz, would go under him in the TCC?

Who developed the golf game?

I was reading on a web site that MVP started out in Domain Hosting, and then moved to Online Game Hosting.

It may have always been MVP's game, but YMMSS did the selling. So when YMMSS had to change everything, and redo the company, MVP was left with the game and no one selling it. So, they had to start-up their own opportunities. But this is all a guess.

[matol-km.com]

wow, they have alot of URL's (i consider it bait) pointing to the same scheme.

I'm a little confused on how they implement the 'golf system' into the whole scheme. I certainly see that somehow they are keeping score, is it some sort of thing where the score is based on the number of recruits, or the amount of money made?

I guess i'm trying to understand exactly what the impact is to consumers in this scheme, and how the people at the top are getting rich. I doesn't seem clear to me .... (or maybe i'm not getting something here.)

jokach


Maybe some my new posts will help.

[Webwatch]

Thank you matol-km.com for the extra information.

I have removed most of your links from previous posts as some lead to referral sign up pages (see forum rules) these will be reinstated if we feel they are beneficial to the discussion, The link at the start of the thread is sufficient for now.

Thank you for taking the time to do further research on the Country Club
and from what I have read shows this as another Matrix/Pyramid scheme, which I personnaly would stay away from.

But before I am accused of jumping to conclusions I will give the country club some more attention when i get time.

Apart from the virtual golf game and the usual freely available e-marketing products is there any other products or services available that you know of.

[matol-km.com]

Thank you matol-km.com for the extra information.

I have removed most of your links from previous posts as some lead to referral sign up pages (see forum rules) these will be reinstated if we feel they are beneficial to the discussion, The link at the start of the thread is sufficient for now.

Thank you for taking the time to do further research on the Country Club
and from what I have read shows this as another Matrix/Pyramid scheme, which I personnaly would stay away from.

But before I am accused of jumping to conclusions I will give the country club some more attention when i get time.

Apart from the virtual golf game and the usual freely available e-marketing products is there any other products or services available that you know of.

The Country Club right now does not have anymore products other then the Golf Game. I have heard talk about them adding more Online games - racing, soccer. There is also talk about adding the Golf game to playstation. But in TCC fashion, no real information is given and it is hard to get a reply from the company.

I have no problems with you removing parts of my posts.

I would be greatful if you would share what you find out about the MVP compaines. I start this topic to find information, and hear from others.

[matol-km.com]

Here is another e-mail from my friend in TCC/Bizbuzz

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Don't lose this number!

20-Minute Opportunity - ???????: Phone Number Removed

Read on!

Hi Everybody,

We are fast approaching the first Diamond Eagle worldwide 3 x 3 enhancement CHECKS! $$$$$$$!!!! Checks from the only company paying 101% of collected revenues!

People will be walking away with $25,960 and their prepaid enrollment into the Double Eagle worldwide 3 x 3.

Then, with a push through from 39 people worldwide, they will walk away with $117,000 cash and their prepaid enrollment in the worldwide 3 x 3 Presidential which, with another 39 people worldwide pushing them through will pay them $402,000! -- Check us out ... it's true!

This all starts with your own $99 purchase. This, plus your monthly AutoShip of $19.95 is your ONLY PAID-OUT! EVER!

When we complete our first 3 x 3 Country Club matrix which is dynamically compressed (meaning we earn, 3 wide and as deep as each line has to go to earn the equivalent of 3 + 9 + 27 ... we all know that people do not grow 3 lines in balance 3 deep! ) -- once we have proven our ability to grow just THIRTY-NINE SALES -- we have earned entry into the Diamond Eagle Club. From here on, it is not up to us and our own personal group ... from here on, we get pushed through 39 places in this worldwide 3 x 3 from sales throughout the world (we are in 42 countries already) and come out with over $25,000 and our prepaid entry into the Double Diamond which in turn pays us $117,000 with prepaid entry into the Presidential which pays us $402,000! ... Yes, cash to us in our pockets!

If you think this sounds too good to be true ...

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Don't kick yourself later because you THOUGHT you knew better!! Sometimes we can be our own worst enemies! Remember ...

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of folly!"

Business decisions are made through due diligence.

Just LISTEN! 20-Minute Opportunity - ???????: Phone Number Removed

NEVER have any of us seen this kind of income opportunity ... for just $99! The key is 3 SALES ... at ... $99 each! How hard can that be?

Invest enough time out of your life to listen to the above 24/7 recorded call. Have your friends listen with you. GET ON BOARD!!

MVP Network

MVP Network Game demos
is the 12-year old parent company that has closed $150 million in contracts with Fortune 500 companies ... Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, Land Rover, AOL, MSN, McDonalds, Burger King, United & Continental Airlines just to name a few. These corporations have entered into advertising contracts with our parent company over the last 60 days representing a revenue stream of over one hundred fifty million dollars over the next three years. Those corporations entered into those contracts so they have the opportunity and privilege to advertise their products, their goods, and their services with your new business opportunity.

Imagine being involved with the world’s leading charities, which will use your business as a platform for fund raising for all the great work they do in our communities and around the world. Charities that read like, NFL through the United Way, The Juvenal Diabetes Foundation, The American Cancer Society and The Heart Association -- again, just to name a few.

HOW CAN THEY PAY US 101%??

With income from contracts like these, this company is able to pay their distributors 100% of all collected marketing revenues plus 1% of all collected advertising revenue! Tell me ... HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A COMPANY PAY OUT MONEY LIKE THIS?

IS THIS A VIABLE INDUSTRY??

Folks ... this is the $24.5 billion online, interactive gaming industry! It is so big and growing so fast, it has almost tripled the worldwide movie box office revenues, and is projected to hit $55 billion within 24 months. THIS is our window! -- We are bringing people together from countries throughout the world ... playing golf together ... racing together ... playing soccer together! Playing in tournaments together and WINNING CASH AWARDS! We are the peacmakers!

Want to check it out further? Here is the

Infomercial now airing on Fox Sports Network:

The Country Club - Infomercial Google Video

Listen and hear more ...

20-Minute Opportunity - ????? Phone Number Removed

about additional pay structures for on-going residual income.

Haven't we all seen $99 almost evaporate from our wallets?

THIS $99 can provide all your dreams come true!

IT IS SO EASY!!

Here’s my website:

??????

Click on my link above.

Drop down 2/3 on the left to: Sign-up

AND SIGN UP!!

Whew! “THAT WAS EASY!”

Now , just USE THIS EMAIL AND THIS 24/7 RECORDED CALL!

Your work is done!

If you are already enrolled ... make sure you have your three $99 sales!

Just replace my web address with yours -- copy and send this email!

Within the next few days the Diamond Eagle will open and start filling with thousands of people worldwide. People will be receiving those checks. We will hear about their checks. We will hear their excitement.

We are al\ also in a worldwide matrix ... we get one position for every 3 sales. This pays on worldwide sales, up to $88,000 per position. When the checks start getting announced, the matrix will be so hot, we will wish we had gotten in early!

And, we have our own 10 deep unilevel for regular monthly residual income! This can be huge!

Now ... don't be overwhelmed ... be grateful!

It's your turn now, to win on a worldwide scale!

And by the way ... our marketing support partner has gathered marketing tools, systems, phone room enrollers for us ... so that we can grow as large and as fast as we choose!

Are you weary from all the detail? What something fun and easy? Want programs to do it for you?

[Arzel]

There is way to much hype and suggestion of huge money returns to not be a scam. I removed the phone numbers because I don't want these scammers to get anymore advertisement than they already have.

[matol-km.com]

Here is a question & answer from a Bizbuzz Q&A message Board.
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I don't know about anyone else,but,I am getting a little discouraged.They keep saying "For A $99 Investment".It is turning out to be a lot more.First the $99,then comes the other little charge for tax or service or whatever,then comes the $19.95 per month,if you want the "Set It & Forget It"recruiting system that is at keast $49.95,then comes BizBuzz,another $99,then comes SpeedyWallet,
$10.00 initial connection fee for the first time a payment is made from BizBuzz to Speedy Wallet.
$ 3.00 card load fee for every time a payment is made from BizBuzz to Speedy Wallet.
$ 4.95 monthly fee for using Speedy Wallet.
$ 1.00 inital card activation fee from Speedy Wallet.
And now the "Promote 2 All" another $29.95 per month,then another,at least $29 for leads.
What happened to the free tools and the $99?
So far any of the tools worth anything cost quite a bit more.
Is it going to be like all the rest?The little person just gets shoved out,because it costs too much to keep going.Around each corner is another cost.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong, ( I sure hope, I am )Could you,Please explain it to me?

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I'm sorry you're so frustrated! Believe me when I say that you will be very happy soon, BUT I understand your frustrations and I'll address your issues below:

* First, the $99 investment will start bringing you assisted sign ups when we launch in a few days, which will in turn bring you commissions from both BB and TCC.

* As for the $19.95 per monthly charge from TCC, this is a very affordable montly cost compared to other network marketing companies, ensuring that you qualify for commissions in the company wide and unilevel plans. We just need to get you to three personals so you can begin receiving commissions. Three is your key!

* The "Set It & Forget It" recruiting system is a TCC product that BB has never endorsed because of the system and tools they provide. It's a system for TCC-only members. I haven't heard how this system is working for people. I'd actually transition away from this system because of what BB provides.

* As for the BB Promote2All system and the $29 per month there, this is a real bargain. If BB wasn't able to leverage their massive membership, this system and tools would cost you thousands of dollars. The leads you can purchase are what's going to fuel your business building. We have to remember folks, this is a business and there are cost involved if you want to optimize your success more quickly. BUT remember to, there is a 3 million dollar system that will be provided to Silver BB members for free in the coming months. Remember that it is not essential for you to participate in everything. It's BB's job to provide you the best systems and tools at the best price points, some with cost and some free, and enable you to choose which ones you want to participate in. It sounds like you've been very proactive to participate in anything that will build your business. That attitude will soon pay off now that BB is ready to go and launch in just a few days away.

* The small Speedy Wallet fees will become nominal once you start receiving commissions from BB, whether be from BB assisted sign ups or your own marketing endeavors. This is a very powerful account, enabling you many features to effectively run your business; again at an incredible price point.

I feel very strongly that the "little person" and the marketing pro will have great success with BB and their partner program. Remember, we haven't even fully launched with the masses yet. That's coming here in a few days. Hang in there and watch what happens, you'll be very happy. In the meantime, we need to get you to three personal enrollments to start the TCC commissions coming in for you.

[matol-km.com]

I woud like to thank everyone who posted in this topic and helped me to understand the opporunity better.

I don't plan on looking into this opporunity any more, because I noticed that the more I look into it, the more problems I saw and the more I am sure it is a scam.

The reason for this topic was to find answers, and to see if I hand my information wrong. Some of the facts I hand wrong, but I also found out more of what is wrong with this opporunity.

Again, thank-you.

[matol-km.com]

Here is a e-mail about Paul Schnieder's other company Online Exchange. It is one of the compaines I listed in my first post and then the links where removed By Webwatch.

Warmly,
Brad

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Complaints.com received the following e-message on April 23, 2001:

From: Pauls A Thief [PaulsALiar@thebigscandal.com]

Sent To: pauls@onlineexchange.com; bcrawford@epenzio.com; Wendy.Cunha@leasecomm.com
WeeBeJammin1@Juno.com; complaints@complaints.com

RE: MakingMoneyOnTheInternetIsA MLM Scam! ONLY SIGN-UP QUALIFIED PEOPLE...


Dear WeeBeJammin1@Juno.com & Complaints@Complaints.com

We are part of yet, another group of distributors who got duped! We have
met some of the over-priced computers & $1450.00 software group, who
ended up signing a contract for well over $3,000.00. But at least they
have a computer!

We are the last group, who signed up for a over-price eCommerce Merchant
Account, which they no longer offer. We are paying $89.95 per month for
48 months to lease a "password" that goes to virtual software to receive
credit cards on the Internet. At the end of the lease, we will be given
an opportunity to purchase this password. When we attempted to use the CD-
ROM to create our websites, they do not work! It is 1989 testing-software
(WeeBeJammin1@Juno.com check out your package and &
Complaints@Complaints.com a copy of the 20-page & 100-page cd-roms are
available upon your request.

Our hook was that you could get a Merchant Account, regardless of credit
background. The way it is marketed is that you are paying $89.95 for a
merchant account & a 100-page website for 48 months! We could sell this
concept with the 100-page website to small business owners who wanted to
accept credit cards, as well as put their businesses on the Internet. The
Multi-Level Marketing appeal boasted for every 6 people that get signed
up under you, you get $5,500.00, which required you to be signed up under
someone as well. You HAD to have a checking account to allow them to do
automatic withdrawals.

With the hype of the $5,500.00 per week, it was suggested that we use a
warm market, such as our family, friends, co-workers, and church members,
as we want everyone to make money, right?! Over the 8-month or so period,
the hype was on signing everyone up and not on the products. Eventually,
the Credit Card Merchant eCommerce Exchange.com (now d.b.a. as
Epenzio.com) changed to Bankcard Services as the Credit Card Merchant,
who then change the credit requirements from any type of credit for
financing to good credit only. As it became tighter to sell the eMerchant
accounts to now, only credit worthy persons, the collection problems
began. First, the bankcard servicing fees which were being charged when
we were not using the merchant account. Paul then had them send some the
credit card machine, and when this did not fly, he suggested that we
write eCommerce Exchange to request a suspension of bankcard servicing
fe4es ranging from $10.00-$25.00, as we did not have a working website
with a shopping cart to use credit cards. Then distributors began to
close their checking accounts and not paying the $89.95 per month to
LeaseComm! Hence the fall-out: No more merchant accounts & charge-backs
to all who had signed up the non-paying Multi-Level Marketers! They
dropped the $5,500.00 eCommerce Program and turned to selling two website
packages for $5,5000.00- the 100-page website for the 1989 CD-ROM, as
well as a 10-page website that you build online! Why would you need two
different types of websites??

Worse yet, Paul Schnieder, President on Online Exchange, refused to
discuss the issue with us on the phone, stating we are calling to
recruit, not air problems. Paul has Online Exchange setup at little to no
expense to his company. He does not provide a 1 800#. When you have a
conference call with the rest of the distributors throughout the USA, it
is public and at your expense. If they do not cover your topic or you are
in a long line of others, who wish to converse, you have to call during
office hours (and usually placed on hold) or wait until the next
scheduled conference call. Paul does not mail out any correspondence, you
must have an email or fax machine, and then it is not promised you will
get policy changing info, we never did! He only sends you info to buy
from him or how to sell for him. Paul slyly introduced the latest scam to
sign up your family, friends, and ill-informed community, as the Internet
is almost FREE! Because a lot of people in ethnic & poor communities do
not know anything out the Internet, that is his target group! Paul has
failed to respond to our emails and his employees' answers crazily via
the phone & BBB inquiries. Most of the time, they tell you anything you
are willing to accept about why they are no longer offering the credit
card services, problems with getting your website up, etc. They must be
paid well to shield Paul, as he has not responded to us at all. they even
refuse to take a message for him by referring you to Tim Smith, who will
not talk your calls, either.

Which leads us to believe, Paul knew what he was doing when he influenced
us (he introduced us and provide the paperwork)to sign up with our
financier/collector, LeaseComm. Paul was paid up front, then LeaseComm
collects over the next 48 months. Surely Paul knew the predatory collect
reputation of LeaseComm! Paul made a deal eCommerce Exchange Credit Card
Services by having them charge us over-inflated prices(a regular account
with eCommerce Exchange is only $495.00 for credit worthy individuals,
then $25.00 monthly bankcard servicing fees, far from the $6,000 we were
set up to pay). When eCommerce Exchange bailed, the program changed, and
we are left holding the bag! Now, to continue with Online Exchange to
sell their 2-Websites Package, we must sign up for the 10-page website
package for $39.95 per month for 36 months!

Lastly, that "making money on the Internet" statement is genius. I can
promise you, less than 10% of those we signed up actually have websites
up. They do not know what they are doing & need professional consulting
or learn on their own! You just can not put up a website, can you? Since
you all are now signing up people for the Internet(it is really, the MLM
aspect to get the money) are you REALLY making money during the Internet
Explosion? Do you have your two websites up? Please email me the
addresses.

Thanks for reading as we must get the word out:
To the NEWEST set of distributors-If You Are Going To Sign Up People For
The Two Websites, ONLY SIGN-UP QUALIFIED PEOPLE , Businesses & those who
can afford to give away $99.00 for 36 or 38 months!
To complaints@complaints.com, please post & follow-up with all of us
concerned.

Sincerely,
Pauls A Thief

CC:
pauls@onlineexchange.com
bcrawford@epenzio.com (use to be eCommerce Exchange)
Wendy.Cunha@leasecomm.com

BCC:
a growing list of cheated distributors

[concreteman]

psssst, hey dude its a scam...... next:crazy: :crazy:

[mcalistorm]

This might be of interest to you guys. I was researching this scam for my friend and I pulled a lot of interesting info off the SECs site. The company has BTW declared no profits and no employees for 3 years. The previous company Oasis Oil has fraud lawsuits against it. They are running about 30 internet companies selling air as far as I can tell. Log onto the SECs web site and check out all the comapny documents..it is a laugh and a half. They claim to be a medical & surgical instruments supplier. The CEO of the company does not exisit as far as I can tell. Stay tuned More to come I have access to a real thourough background checker and all the principals are going be run through it.

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[mcalistorm]

This might be of interest to you guys. I was researching this scam for my friend and I pulled a lot of interesting info off the SECs site. The company has BTW declared no profits and no employees for 3 years. The previous company Oasis Oil has fraud lawsuits against it. They are running about 30 internet companies selling air as far as I can tell. Log onto the SECs web site and check out all the comapny documents..it is a laugh and a half. They claim to be a medical & surgical instruments supplier. The CEO of the company does not exisit as far as I can tell. Stay tuned More to come I have access to a real thourough background checker and all the principals are going be run through it.

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[Arzel]

I haven't had a chance to really look at this, but it is interesting. Thanks.

[72603164]

Hi all. I've just joined, and thought I would weigh in on the Country Club/BizBuzz discussion, as I 'was' a member of both! Supposedly in the initial batch of members who got in very, very early too, I might add! In fact, I was with the '14 super duper master marketers' that were joining and going to explode the program etc etc!
Boy, where do I start!
My current situation is simply that I have given the program away, after simply getting sick of the BS! I have never come across so much BS/lies, call them what you like, in my almost 20yrs of being involved in MLM and the like. I can be totally honest though and say, regardless of whatever has happened, or does continue to happen with both of these programs, I did get lucky enough to actually be paid around $1400! or thereabouts. A lot of it I simply passed on to benefactor other people into the programs anyway, so, I didn't really pocket all that much when all is said and done, BUT, I DID get paid!
It is so good to actually come to a forum like this and finally hear people saying what I have been saying all along about these 2 programs! The people I have been involved with in the programs are sick to death of hearing me 'complain' or 'whinge' or ask questions, raise issues etc etc.....I have never been so frustrated in all my life as I have been since my involvement with these programs! Any time I ask a question, or raise (what I consider a blatantly obvious point) I am called a whinger, and told 'just wait and see!' 'this is the real deal' 'things are coming, things are going to happen'....the list is long! The thing that I find most disturbing about this is, the people I am working with (one or two who I have known for quite a number of years!) seem to be following this so blindly it's scary! These are not stupid people! One of my close friends who I joined with, is a very successful businessman offline. So, to see him being sucked in by this is nothing short of astounding! What is going on here people??? Can someone help me with this?
All in all, as much as I would like to personally see 'Mark Petchel' strung up by the 'short and curlies', at the end of the day, as much as what he is doing is simply WRONG, he's also brilliant! I know that may sound odd, but the simple fact that he can still be delivering the rhetoric well after 12 months of this program of his in 'pre-launch'...and people are STILL waiting for the launch! Just as it is about to launch, there is a 'programming glitch' or, there is a hardware problem, the list goes on, and on, and on, and on! Then he adds another part to the program (to increase the earnings for the program members) and funnily enough, ones that cost another $19.95 a month, or $49.95 a month, BUT, they will all help to increase our earnings....blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The latest genius idea is 'paid signups'....this is pure genius by this Master Crook!
Check this out: (this is part of an email I received from one of the 'Top Members' above me:

Understand this...if everyone just buys 2 personals for just $30...everyone`s matrix will fill up solid and we will all be making at least $16,000.00 per month and then some...plus you will get $25 fast start bonuses on both personals that you purchase x 2 = $50...and you will qualify for matching bonuses, etc.

Continue to buy more sign ups with your fast start bonues money and you have just created another income source. 'Brilliant"

Is the light bulb coming on yet!!! I thought so! So, plan your work and work your plan. You have what you need here to be successful now let`s all purchase at least 2 sign ups.

Get 20 signs ups and you will be a Diamond sharing in all the company bonus pools and bonuses of both Platinum and Diamond.

You will get back fast start bonuses of $500 on your $300 spend for 20 personals. Hope this excites you as much as it does me!

Now you have a reason to up grade if you haven`t already. Spread the word and let`s get our team back on track again.

Thanks as always for your support...it`s been a long ride and now it`s time to get paid!!!

and this:

We will be starting in 3 weeks an advertising promotion that will yield paid signups into our BizBuzz Program.

We are offering these signups to our existing BizBuzz members at a price of $15 per member signup. The signup will be placed in the next available position in the matrix UNDER YOU as YOU as the sponsor. This will return you a $25 fast start bonus for every member and they will be placed in your downline. Since this signup is going to be your Personal Signup, this will also count toward the bonus pools.

Every person participating in this program will be put into a rotator.

Once the program starts it could take 90 days or longer to fulfill the member order.
These orders are for guaranteed members. There is no guarantee how long the members will continue to pay the monthly BizBuzz membership fee.

So, you can buy all of these paid signups now, but 'once the program starts' (mind you, I have been in for about 14 months myself!!) it may take 90 days or longer to fulfill the order!

UNBELIEVABLE!

I have raised this with the close friend of mine who is right up there with Petchel himself, and, of course I am being once again told that I am just whinging....etc!

I hope my personal opinion adds to the already interesting reading about the Country Club, and BizBuzz!

I am more than happy to share any more info that I receive, or answer any questions that anyone else may have regarding these 2 programs, and Paul Schneider, or Mark Petchel!

Regards
72603164

[legsmail]

This is a forum i am a part of as i am a member of bizbuzz i am not a member of TCC but may join in the future My sponsor knows Mark petchel personally and this is his forum. anyone interested to find more info it dates back to the end of 2005 when he was first initially involved only in the country club. It has loads of info about the stages these companies have been through to become what they are now.

http://www.phpbbserver.com/waynesworld/

If anyone wants more info pm me
Bizbuzz still hasnt re launched but is very close and will be spending millions in a few weeks on advertising including infomercials, magazines, newspapers radio etc its a very good time to learn more.

[72603164]

With all due respect legsmail, I am very aware of your sponsor and his forum, as well as all of the other members of that particular forum. Your sponsor only knows Mark Petchel as well as everyone else in the forum does. He hasn't met him in person, so can only go on the same information that everyone else receives from BizBuzz and Mark Petchel himself.
Your sponsor is one of the long-time cheerleaders of Mark Petchel and the BizBuzz bandwagon, so any info that you bring to this discussion will be in the same vane, no doubt.
Just out of sheer curiosity, I am wondering why you joined this forum, and your first post should be replying to a post about the program you are in. What brought you to the forum?

As I said, my question is out of curiosity more than anything else!

Regards
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[legsmail]

Ok i hear ya i posted the forum because if you have a look back down the track it shows when many members where very skeptical but they came through i was trying to help anyone who wanted more information i understand that it seems like a long ****ing wait Im on the edge of my seat too. how come you stayed so long and are giving up now do you know something i dont? i didnt even read your post also before i posted mine

regards kerry