Can i make money without investing

[kennethtan]

Lots of people are trying to earn money from internet these days. The net itselfs provides so many ways of earning. Some of them are free, others need taxes/fees/investments to join. The question is - can you make money, without spending a penny?!

The first 2 levels of building a bussiness are:
1st - invest/pay with your time
2nd - invest your money

The point is you can make money for your time, you can spend all day working on Paid to Read, Paid to Click, Paid to Promote sites, you will earn money, but still not a big amount.

People say: "Money makes money" or in my country it sounds like "Money goes to money"!
It means that, if you want to earn big, you have to give something from yourself.

Lets say you have a great browser-based online game (such as darkgalaxy.com as example). It is already online and you decide that you want to earn from it. You put some advertisements on. Well the site is not promoting itself, so you have to advertise it to other sites. You promote a lot, then visitors start joining, they invite their friends. With the members comes more people that want to advertise on you site. At this point you will start working from your investment(and time of course, but image what will happen with the site if you dont promote it).

It is the same way with the Get paid to industry. Let's compare the 2 "levels"

You register in couple ot PTR, PTC and PTP sites, you click work 'em few hours a day. And in the end of the month you earn 20$ - 80$ and this is only if you are constant and motivated to it.

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[Webwatch]

Hello Kennethtan and welcome to Matrixwatch,

Thankyou for posting the article but you missed out the last few paragraphs which are:
You research the net and find some good autosurf/HYIP sites, you invest 200 bucks, you don't work hours a day for it, and at the end hopefully you earn your money. Lets say you invest in 12dailypro.com, you surf 12 pages a day (10 minutes) for 12 days and you get yourself 44% of the money invested - 88$, that you can reinvest and earn even more!

Personally, i try to do it both ways, in the beginning i concentrate on investing my time. I was not able to invest. Later on i have invested what i have earned. It was risky of course, but i was happy of the results, actually i still am!

Thanks for reading!

Note: You may copy, print and republish this article but please make sure to give credit to the author.
Thank you immortal (Credit Given).
The article does have some interesting points but as it mentions the 12dailypro scheme it might need a rewrite or better still deleting.
I have also removed the link from your post as the full article can be better viewed here: http://hoprofit.com/index.php?topic=1340.0 without the need to register.

[kennethtan]

Thanks Webwatch and i am deeply sorry for any inconvenience caused. :)

The internet is rife with websites offering in depth information and opinions regarding the different kinds of HYIPs/Autosurf Programs. But, in general, most of HYIPs/Autosurf Programs claim that they gain profit by investing member fees in actual business ventures while they are actually using new investors’ deposits to pay previous investors, as in a Ponzi scheme. Veteran online investors recognize that ~99% of these programs are, in actuality, barely disguised ponzis. The main question here is: Can I make money with HYIPs/Autosurf Programs?
Answer: Yes, if you learn how to invest wisely. The following guiding principles in online investing are essential to your success:
1) Timing - The early bird often catches the worm, but you must join at the perfect time, not too early and not too late.
2) Diversity – Selecting more than one paying program minimizes the risk of a negative balance in the end.
3) Research – Program investigation and observation is essential when choosing programs to invest in.

Another important article for your perusal : Get Paid to Autosurf Traffic Exchangers

Quote from http://hoprofit.com/index.php?topic=1307.0
1. What is an Autosurf Program

Basicly, there are two types of memberships:

Free Member - You automatically view other members or advertisers sites, in exchange for hits to your page.

Upgraded Member - You get paid every day when you do your daily surf minimum. But to get paid, you have to invest, buying units? The prise of an unit varies with the different sites!

2. But can you really earn from Autosurf Sites?!

Researches shows that 95% of the people investing earn very little amounts, don't earn ot lose money.

But still with the right plan and researching you can earn from autosurfes...a lot!

2006 year started on many closing, slow paying or not paying at all sites. Mostly, because 2005 was the big BOOM of the Autosurf Industry. Why?
Everyone can spare few hundreds of dollars and start an Autosurf program. But with the lack of plan, many sites turn out to be SCAM, or are Ponzies prom the beggining.

What is a Ponzy. This is an investment program, that puts member investments in to a "pool", and then pay with the same funds to the members, as long as it can. Don't expect long term payments from Ponzies, because only the first ones get paid!

You can benefit for investing in an Autosurf Program. To be sure in the site you want to invest - do this:

1. Check the Autosurf Monitor sites (like autosurf.com), see how much the site owners have invested in the site, Check out the votes/comments. If it satisfyes you...

2. Do a research yourself - Try to find the owners name! Check out the site, the forum (if there is), attemp a "whois" search on the domain, contact the owner! This is important, because you should NOT put your hard earned money into the hands of people that can't even show their names. Something smells right...

3. Remeber the maxima - Don't invest money, you can't afford to lose! This is the nuber one rule in this industry!

4. Read the TERMS , so you don't get suspended

3. What sites to invest in?

There are lol % sites, that assure stable invest. You can get 3.65$ from 1$ as the Webmasters have the time to reinvest the money...

The high % sites, offer you more money in shorter amount of time, but the stakes are higher...

So you must decide carefully,
see if you have more time,
or need/want to make money faster!
My suggection is to make both kind of sites work together, you have to build a plan!

As long as you invest wisely you will earn

[sisco50]

Thanks Webwatch and i am deeply sorry for any inconvenience caused. :)

The internet is rife with websites offering in depth information and opinions regarding the different kinds of HYIPs/Autosurf Programs. But, in general, most of HYIPs/Autosurf Programs claim that they gain profit by investing member fees in actual business ventures while they are actually using new investors’ deposits to pay previous investors, as in a Ponzi scheme. Veteran online investors recognize that ~99% of these programs are, in actuality, barely disguised ponzis. The main question here is: Can I make money with HYIPs/Autosurf Programs?
Answer: Yes, if you learn how to invest wisely. The following guiding principles in online investing are essential to your success:
1) Timing - The early bird often catches the worm, but you must join at the perfect time, not too early and not too late.
2) Diversity – Selecting more than one paying program minimizes the risk of a negative balance in the end.
3) Research – Program investigation and observation is essential when choosing programs to invest in.

Another important article for your perusal : Get Paid to Autosurf Traffic Exchangers

Quote from http://hoprofit.com/index.php?topic=1307.0

If 99% of net programs are ponzis in disguise then your three points are rather moot and you can not invest wisely at all using them.

Timing. Getting in early in a ponzi is no assurance of getting a return in a ponzi but is certainly better than getting in late.

Diversity. Why bother to diversify if you are joining ponzis? All of your diverse positions will lose.

Research. Investigating a program and observing it takes a lot of time. This means that timing is no longer an option.

Those three points are excellent advice for a legitimate investment program that will be around for a long time.

[Litigator]

In my years watching and looking, I have found several good ideas that

turned out to be more than a good idea. A couple of them were certainly

worthy of attention. And, I can attest to them.


What most of the post refer to and talk about are doomed for failure. So, it

appears to me from my point of view that most do not know where to look. I

would guess, the problem is that almost no one knows what a real program

looks like because they have never seen one or been in one that was real.


Some myths are that it takes millions to join a trading venture which is not

true. But, it is true that the United States citizens can not enter a trade.

It's just the nature of the beast.


About the only way for the average United States citizen to get involved is

to find a way to join with someone already involved. Then, you have to

worry about money laundering. You have no idea how far a "litigator" will go

to convict someone when it appears that person has found a loop hole

in the investment area. I've seen claims that are of pure stupidity to convict

someone who can not afford an attorney with any gall.


In the past few years, I've seen some "litigation proof" programs energe.

And, they are still around.

This is my observation.

[Arzel]

In my years watching and looking, I have found several good ideas that

turned out to be more than a good idea. A couple of them were certainly

worthy of attention. And, I can attest to them.


What most of the post refer to and talk about are doomed for failure. So, it

appears to me from my point of view that most do not know where to look. I

would guess, the problem is that almost no one knows what a real program

looks like because they have never seen one or been in one that was real.


Some myths are that it takes millions to join a trading venture which is not

true. But, it is true that the United States citizens can not enter a trade.

It's just the nature of the beast.


About the only way for the average United States citizen to get involved is

to find a way to join with someone already involved. Then, you have to

worry about money laundering. You have no idea how far a "litigator" will go

to convict someone when it appears that person has found a loop hole

in the investment area. I've seen claims that are of pure stupidity to convict

someone who can not afford an attorney with any gall.


In the past few years, I've seen some "litigation proof" programs energe.

And, they are still around.

This is my observation.


So you say you have found some illegal ventures which are immune from prosecution, specifcally how to launder money without getting caught. You do realize that is very dangerous teritory....

[Litigator]

You misunderstood the post.

How can you think everything on earth is illegal?

If you do, you are mistaken. Not me.

Have you spent evan an hour in court without being a defendent watching litigation in the area you are speaking? I think now.

I have and do.

[Webwatch]

Hello Litigator and welcome to Matrixwatch.

To clarify could you expand on this paragraph a bit:About the only way for the average United States citizen to get involved is
to find a way to join with someone already involved. Then, you have to
worry about money laundering. You have no idea how far a "litigator" will go
to convict someone when it appears that person has found a loop hole
in the investment area. I've seen claims that are of pure stupidity to convict
someone who can not afford an attorney with any gall.What I can gleem from this is that with any large return by an investor will bring questions of legality and money laundering and that any Litigator worth his or her salt will be succesfull in getting the operation in question shut down.

AlsoIn the past few years, I've seen some "litigation proof" programs energe.

And, they are still around.Could you name these programs to help clear up any missunderstandings.

I think it was the mention of money laundering that may be causing the confusion a bit.

[Litigator]

I'm not one to mention programs or names. So, you will have to forgive me.


Money laundering is not an issue with those I have in mind. All of the

documentation was presented and was in place and verified.


Another one is being looked at by the SEC, but I suspect it to will be resolved

before it goes much further and will pass early inspection. I know about this

one first hand.


I'm not a promotor of any scheme and will not mention the names or the

name of the program in question. Most programs that pass the SEC

inspection will show up some place gloating over it. Just keep watch and

If you specifically ask me if "xxx" is it, I'll tell you in a private PM. I'm not

going to promote it by mentioning it on the web.


Today the definition of money laundering is often expanded by government

regulators (such as the United States Office of the Comptroller of the

Currency) to encompass any financial transaction which generates an asset

or a value as the result of an illegal act. This creates the need for individuals

who use the banking system to not run their illegally derived funds through

any bank. And, even legally acquired funds may appear to some regulating

agencies as being illegally derived. Since it is the gain, growth, or added

value that makes it appear illegal, it is very important that the victim, which

is usually the principal of the funds, that he has documentation that proves

how the cash flow moves. If that can be proven, everything resolves itself

to the benefit of the "innocent victim" of the allegation.


Over 98% of all money laundering cases after the Patriot Act was initiated,

are cleared. It's sad, but true. But still most never get their funds released

in full. The times are changing and if you don't protect your assets by legal

means, within the next 20 years, one small misunderstanding could wipe your

financial future out over night. It's no wonder that the general public does

not have faith in the leadership. And, the laws are becoming crazy in every

area of life.


Protect yourself,

[rrgnacianceno]

To MatrixWatch. I hope you can give me saome legit sites who are really paying home-based/om-line job seekers like me. I am from the Philippines and have kids.Currently unemployed that is why I've been searching the web for something Legit and scam-free.Tired of sites which promises legitmacy and all, just to find out that they stashed the money nside their pockets and living people like me searching for on-line jobs to make a living and feed the kids.Thanks.