Site owners that lie

[concerned]

We have seen lately that there are several site owners that are telling lies to their customers.

I already found out that Adrianna of Applematrix is really named Prince. Probably doesn't have a sister either. I am curious though, why are they asking for dates?

Anyways, to get back on track, there has been scepticism about whether or not the story told by the owner of matrixcom is a lie. Until there is proof, I will stay neutral on this one.

Now, I just caught another lie.

According to a post that I read at matrixagency by BigStar, the owner of www.25dollar-express.com has a son in the hospital.

Here is the quote


I have spoken to the wife of Tim (the owner of 420moneymatrix & 25dollar-express). There son is in the hospital and we pray he is getting better. She says they hope Tim and their son will be home this Sunday.

I tell her know that customers are upset about the lack of updates and managment of the sites and I asked her to pass the message on to Tim as he needs to return and do something about his site. She was very polite and understood... I guess we will have to be patient here. As it is a tragic situation.

I went to look at their 25dollar website, and it says,



7/17/03---> SORRY I was on a mini vacation, with my wife...



Now which is the lie. I don't believe that you really went on vacation with your wife, if your son is that sick.

So, which is the lie? As far as I am concerned, I really don't care which is the lie. The point is, that he did lie, or he has VERY LITTLE COMPASSION for his child, and left him there sick while on vacation.

Either way, LIER or NO COMPASSION, do you want to let owners like this handle your money?


Please post any information that you have found about site owners that have been caught in a lie.

[MatrixWatch]

I think that that Tim is telling the truth on this one. He is a pretty hard-working guy who has shown a lot of creativity with his sites. I actually respect him a lot. He has kept a couple matrix sites running amidst the stress of a family and an ill son. I mean, can you imagine handling all of those refunds requests, rants, etc. after you've just put the kids to bed. Geez.. He is doing it though, to the best of his ability. As far as my research shows, Tim has not shown himself to be non-trustworthy. I think he is trying to be as honest as he can in this business.

[concerned]

I am not saying that his family situation is a lie, but I can't understand the quote about the vacation.

My point is the lie itself, not what the lie is.

[mikv]

Wow, it seems that nobody wants to believe anything a matrix owner says anymore. Why would you think he was lying?? I see the "mini vacation" explanation as him not wanting to share completely personal and private information regarding his family and their unfortunate situation with his customers. He does NOT need to disclose that to anybody regardless on if he's running a business or not. That is between him and his family. The only thing I see that he did wrong during this time is not getting somebody to run his site while he is away. He should have hired someone to take over while he was out.

[poorme]

Can the matrix owner afford to hire anybody?
It there ever a matrix owner that lies about his death?

[mikv]

Most likely NO, I guess they can't hire anybody being that all owners come into this "business" with nothing but the shirt on thier back. But to keep with the thread, I would say ALL sites should get a complaint because they all lie in one way or another. This brings up a good topic, I'll start a new thread with it though.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by concerned
I am not saying that his family situation is a lie, but I can't understand the quote about the vacation.

My point is the lie itself, not what the lie is.


The way i see it... They go on vacation and return the son becomes ill again. Tim's son has cancer a similar incident has happened in the past with his son becoming ill. With cancer patients they cannot help there severe symtoms come and go throughout their life. So Im pretty sure the last time he updated his site things were fine but soon soemthing occured where he needed to rush his son to the hospital and stay there for awhile.

I don't question Tim's site at all as far as any form of scamming, however I think updates are very important. If he cant be around he needs someone there that can handle things during his absence...

I assure you... There is no lie about his son or vacation..

[Talented Mr Rae]

His vacation news is dated 17th July, this is 16th August... plenty of time to get sick! Have some consideration!

And who says the Gottapay account is in Adriana's name? That guy could be anybody - her boyfriend (very casual one I would hope after her asking for dates on the site), brother, close friend, etc, etc...

[MatrixWatch]

Originally posted by Talented Mr Rae
His vacation news is dated 17th July, this is 16th August... plenty of time to get sick! Have some consideration!

And who says the Gottapay account is in Adriana's name? That guy could be anybody - her boyfriend (very casual one I would hope after her asking for dates on the site), brother, close friend, etc, etc...

I agree with Mr. Rae here. Do we want to call matrix-owner practices into question? Yes. Do we want to do it by scrutinizing every detail? No. It just isn't respectable to go about it that way. The fact that they run and endless-list scheme, and that they are in alleged violation of several state laws is reason enough to bring a message of caution to the public. Let's get back on track. If these sites are to be questioned then we should focus our energy on writing letters to the BBB, the IFCC, the Att. General's office, and possibly the FBI. This would be more effective, and it would lend credibility to our cause. Remember... Evidence and truth must guide our conclusions, not individual perception and unreasonable scrutiny.

[tcb1969a]

Hmm....well, I will comment on this one, and take it as you will.

Tim, is not lying about his son or vacation. His son has leukemia, as if it is anyones business here. Sorry for being blunt, but I am tired of the assumptions. If you have a question, ask him, instead of assuming. Further he did go on vacation when his son was not sick. After he got back his son took a turn for the worse and has been in and out of the hospital recently. Give the guy a break. Also he has not had the time to update his site. I was on his site as a customer and was not worried the least bit about his integrity, he did let me know what was going on about a week ago. Anyways, this thread should end on Tim and his troubles. Have a little compassion for people......

[MatrixWatch]

I agree with you tcb. Hey, just a thought... Would anyone like to brainstorm on how we can be of help to Tim? He doesn't know many of us very well, but perhaps a few of you DO know him and would be able to share how we could take some of the "load" off of his shoulders. Any ideas?

[spydrman]

This person you're referring to, does he run a matrix site? If so, maybe help him close his site as smoothly as possible. I don't think he needs that headache on top of his current situation.

[Talented Mr Rae]

Well, this may not help him directly, but you can always use your computer to help find a cure for cancer. I've been running a little background app which uses unused computer power to run through chemical info which helps find a suitable cure (kind like the Seti thing).

It's made by a company called Grid.org, and is called the UD agent. You can download it from: http://www.grid.org/download/gold/download.htm .

Also, once you've signed up you might like to join a "team" I have running called 'Big Willies' (don't ask why ;) ). Nothing special comes from being in this team, but it just helps me keep track of how many people I have got to join.

So... once you are a member and have your UD Agent running - click this URL to join 'Big Willies': http://www.grid.org/services/teams/team.htm?id=EB8185DC-C5D1-49E9-99C3-991C1C778082

[concerned]

Originally posted by Talented Mr Rae
And who says the Gottapay account is in Adriana's name? That guy could be anybody - her boyfriend (very casual one I would hope after her asking for dates on the site), brother, close friend, etc, etc...

OK, I'll have to admit that my example with Tim might not be the best example, but I started this thread to see if anyone else has experience with an owner that has lied about something significant. If I need to start a new one, then maybe I should, but I think it would be a COMPLETE WASTE of time, since almost everyone here will find a way to take that thread off topic.

Anyway, a matrix owner that is willing to hide something significant, such as their own identity SHOULDN'T be trusted with your money. You see, there is a reason that an owner would lie, and to run a business with a huge lie, is VERY UNETHICAL.

To get this back on track, let me respond to the quote above.

First of all, it is not only the GottaPay account, but you should do a whois search on applematrix.us and you will find out that it is also registered to Prince Campbell. In fact, applematrix.com, applematrix.us, and dayscar.com are all registered under that name. If you haven't seen, applematrix.us is actually routed to a directory on dayscar.com. As you can see, you SHOULDN'T trust someone that would try to hide their identity when doing business. It speaks a lot about their character. If they decide to close up shop, people will be looking around for a person named Adrianna.

Can anyone else try to get this thread back on track and post other examples of a matrix owner telling lies to their customers?

[Agent|Star]

Mmmm that is some very interesting information you have pointed out. I agree site owners should not hide their identity, especially from their customers as thats a HUGE risk for customers....

[MatrixWatch]

Concerned,
That is heavy. Good work.

BigStar,
I think it is time we contacted the BBB, the FBI, and the Attorney General for the state of FL. Something strange is going over at AppleMatrix.

[Agent|Star]

Originally posted by watchdog
Concerned,
That is heavy. Good work.

BigStar,
I think it is time we contacted the BBB, the FBI, and the Attorney General for the state of FL. Something strange is going over at AppleMatrix.


Why are you addressing me? I do not trust it when you address me its like you have a HIDDEN reason. You are obviously testing me and I will not participate in your game. Sorry...

Yes, I am apart of the MatrixAgency I will contact her or him and check to see if they will cooperate with MatrixAgency. However, I will not witch hunt this site... Thats what you do, I have heard no customer complaints regarding the site, therefore I will not hunt it down. When a customer of AppleMatrix approaches me, the MatrixAgency, or a matrix forum with a complaint then I will make it my business. As of right now, its just a bunch of bored dogs barking....

[MatrixWatch]

Protecting the customers is the goal. All the red flags go up here.

I addressed you because you are one of their "agents". I don't have an agenda. Why are you so defensive?

Just keep an eye on them.

[Talented Mr Rae]

I am a customer and I don't want you hunting it down. I don't care if their accounts are under prince whatever. They've treated their customers well and continue to do so. Wait till someone complains... then get on their back.

And who says Prince isn't just helping them. I run a personal web design business and several of my clients domains are registered in my name, not theirs. - especially the .com / .net ones as I receive no form that allows me to change them.

This is a plea, don't ruin it for us customers. There's more chance we'll lose our money because of you, than if you left it alone.

[Agent|Star]

Well there you have it... A customer has spoken... This customer doesn't want your help this time...

Since I have checked out a few things it looks to me that they are not hiding. As the name Prince Campbell isnt very hard to find and it is consistantly showing up everywhere. Adrianne could very well be a name Prince always wanted lol, possibly Adrianne is a nickname or middle name, could very well just be the hostess name.

[tcb1969a]

I'm not sure what difference it makes if she wants to go by Adrianna or Prince......As long as her customers are happy, then who cares.....

But that is just my 2 cents......:)

[concerned]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
I'm not sure what difference it makes if she wants to go by Adrianna or Prince......As long as her customers are happy, then who cares.....

But that is just my 2 cents......:)

Well, what difference WILL it make if they take off with the money and leave their customers hanging. The customers will be looking for someone named Adrianna ("uh, I don't know her last name officer"), when in reality, that person doesn't exist.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by concerned
Well, what difference WILL it make if they take off with the money and leave their customers hanging. The customers will be looking for someone named Adrianna ("uh, I don't know her last name officer"), when in reality, that person doesn't exist.

Um, it is not that simple.......

The police will not ask for her name like that, and then drop it if you don't know. If there is an investigation they will look into all aspects and find the person. Just as a WhoIs search was done, so will the police if that happens.....Try to have a little faith......

[uwantme]

Originally posted by concerned
Well, what difference WILL it make if they take off with the money and leave their customers hanging. The customers will be looking for someone named Adrianna ("uh, I don't know her last name officer"), when in reality, that person doesn't exist.

Just to follow up pn what what Tcb said. Its not all cut and dry and if police are doing an investigation they wont drop it just because you dont know a last name. Thats like saying someone murdered my best friend but because I couldnt tell the officer who it was they arent doing an investigation. It doesnt work like that. Plus law enforcement officials are privy to more information than you are. They can contact paypal and get addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, SSNs, and more. They can also contact the hosting company and get the same information from them including all the credit card information on file with the hosting company. Its not very hard for law enforcement agents to track the site owners because they are able to see information youwould never get your hands on. Remember the kid who got arrested in texas? The police traced him through his parents credit card on Paypal. So just because you dont know their name, etc.. doesnt mean they will run off with your money and no one will ever find them.

[Agent|Star]

As i said Prince Campbell isnt hard to find... During an investigation they will locate a Prince Campbell for sure...

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by uwantme
Just to follow up pn what what Tcb said. Its not all cut and dry and if police are doing an investigation they wont drop it just because you dont know a last name. Thats like saying someone murdered my best friend but because I couldnt tell the officer who it was they arent doing an investigation. It doesnt work like that. Plus law enforcement officials are privy to more information than you are. They can contact paypal and get addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, SSNs, and more. They can also contact the hosting company and get the same information from them including all the credit card information on file with the hosting company. Its not very hard for law enforcement agents to track the site owners because they are able to see information youwould never get your hands on. Remember the kid who got arrested in texas? The police traced him through his parents credit card on Paypal. So just because you dont know their name, etc.. doesnt mean they will run off with your money and no one will ever find them.


Thank you uwantme, you said it so much better than me....

[concerned]

Thanks

You actually helped prove my point. Why would he/she lie about something like that unless they have something to hide? I still say that there is something they want to hide. The simple fact is that by them trying to hide this one fact implies that they are also hidding something else. It is simply UNETHICAL business practices for anyone running a business to hide information from their customers. Even if you think that hiding your identity is fine, WHICH I THINK IS WRONG, what else could they be hidding that may be important when a customer is trying to determine if they should make a purchase at that site.

[tcb1969a]

Originally posted by concerned
Thanks

You actually helped prove my point. Why would he/she lie about something like that unless they have something to hide? I still say that there is something they want to hide. The simple fact is that by them trying to hide this one fact implies that they are also hidding something else. It is simply UNETHICAL business practices for anyone running a business to hide information from their customers. Even if you think that hiding your identity is fine, WHICH I THINK IS WRONG, what else could they be hidding that may be important when a customer is trying to determine if they should make a purchase at that site.

Ok, first off how did I help you prove your point. Secondly, why do you say they are hiding something. Just because she goes by Adrianna and hasn't told the entire world about the name Prince Campbell, that means she is hiding something. Is this in some sort of rule book I haven't read that says you have to devulge that kind of information or you are hiding something. If there is send it to me and I will read it......

[uwantme]

Originally posted by concerned
Thanks

You actually helped prove my point. Why would he/she lie about something like that unless they have something to hide? I still say that there is something they want to hide. The simple fact is that by them trying to hide this one fact implies that they are also hidding something else. It is simply UNETHICAL business practices for anyone running a business to hide information from their customers. Even if you think that hiding your identity is fine, WHICH I THINK IS WRONG, what else could they be hidding that may be important when a customer is trying to determine if they should make a purchase at that site.

I didnt prove that point for you. I think it is okay for site owners not to put their real information on a site or where the public general public can find find. I believe fully they should operate under a business name and set up a po box for their address. Its just to dangerous and to many sickos on the net to have your private info posted all over it. Actually I just proved my point further that theirs no need for site owners to post their true information because you do not need to have it and the correct people like the law enforcement members can get it if they need it. Its not that site owners are trying to hide anything they are protecting themselves. Tim has false information in his DNS for this site! That doesnt mean hes hiding something does it? No hes trying to protect himself, and so are site owners....

[Agent|Star]

If they are trying to hide anyone identity they are not doing a very good job LOL... They have a hostess her name is Adrianne! They have accounts under the name Prince. All of this is CONSISTANT!!! Hardly hiding...

Prince can be so many things:
Adriannes real name
Adriannes is just a nick name
The brother to Adrianne
The manager of Adrianne
The treasurer of Adrianne

Wow only in a matrix site youll see so much drama over this exact issue lol... Any other business you would smile and accept it.

[concerned]

Originally posted by BigStarr
Wow only in a matrix site youll see so much drama over this exact issue lol... Any other business you would smile and accept it.

NO, actually I don't do business with ANYONE, no matter what business it is if I think they are hiding something from me. In fact, I often boycott businesses that I once used to ENJOY going to just because they did something UNETHICAL in their business practices. That is my choice, and my money, so if any business wants my business they should conduct business ETHICALLY. It isn't just me, but I do know others that boycott businesses for the same reason. The reason I made these posts is so that anyone else that does the same thing as I do will know not to go do business with them if they feel the same way.

[Agent|Star]

I have agreed in this very post that providing real identity is a must. In the matrix world I do not do business with a site that refuses to give me their real identity...

The problem here is we cannot validate any of the assumptions regarding AppleMatrix. There could very well be a real reason behind your newest findings. Prince Campbell cannot hide so this will be the person who will be questioned should any problems araise. All we can do is be cautious and keep an extra on it things...

AppleMatrix... if you are watching this thread... the MatrixAgency would like to work toward having your site approved.

[MatrixWatch]

If Adrianna just came in here and settled this once and for all it would alleviate all of the accusations.

Applematrix,
Please give us an update, and please answer a few of the concerns we have brought up here. We are not trying to attack you, it is just that we have seen so many matrix sites pull some pretty wild tricks and we are concerned that you may be one of them.

[tcb1969a]

I believe Adrianna has made it plain and clear that she will not be visiting this forum again. She said that in one of the threads on this site. And I believe she explained why too.....

[hurley9192]

maybe he's her pimp and that's why she is asking for dates???

Originally posted by BigStarr
If they are trying to hide anyone identity they are not doing a very good job LOL... They have a hostess her name is Adrianne! They have accounts under the name Prince. All of this is CONSISTANT!!! Hardly hiding...

Prince can be so many things:
Adriannes real name
Adriannes is just a nick name
The brother to Adrianne
The manager of Adrianne
The treasurer of Adrianne

Wow only in a matrix site youll see so much drama over this exact issue lol... Any other business you would smile and accept it.

[concerned]

Originally posted by tcb1969a
I believe Adrianna has made it plain and clear that she will not be visiting this forum again. She said that in one of the threads on this site. And I believe she explained why too.....

Actually, I just looked at all of her posts, and she never says she won't come back. Look for yourself. If you find it, post a link here so I can read it. All that we have asked is that she come here and answer some questions. I don't know a LOT about her matrix site, or others for that matter, and I would like some answers. I have said before that if I see information that would change my mind, I might change my position about matrix sites. For now though, the fact that a matrix owner has the UNPROFESSIONALISM to leave questions unanswered from a potential customer leads me to believe that she doesn't care about customers. All she cares about is the money.

This is the only post that I could find that remotely tries to explain her position, and she NEVER said that she would stop coming here.

Originally posted by Adrianna

When you people get an agenda of conversation instead of attempting to destroy people who have money in matrix sites let me know.

Until then my only answer is Kiss My ***!

Again, this quote speaks volumes about her professionalism. Until she answers my questions like she said she would, I have no choice but to believe that she is NOT interested in her CUSTOMERS.

[concerned]

In an attempt to get this thread back on track I am copying a post made by one of our new members about a matrix owner that lies. Maybe by starting to post other fibbers here you will see that I am not targeting only one owner.


Originally posted by jonmontag
I got this email from sublimematrix.com on 08/14/2003:

Several customers have informed that our site is down. We immediately contacted our hosting service and have confirmed there was a hosting error.

They informed it may take up to 3 days, but that it should be resolved in 48 - 72 hours. In the meantime, we can not access our normal e-mail account so we have set up a temporary e-mail address at sublime_temp@hotmail.com. Please use this for a contact e-mail for now.

We are sorry for this inconvenience and wanted to inform our customers as soon as we learned the details. We should be back up within the time frame specified by our hosting service.

Best Regards,

Sublime Matrix Team

Shortly after getting the email, I went to the site and it was still there but after about a day it was gone and has still not come back, so the "time frame" was obviously off. After about 4-5 days I contacted them asking if the site was going to be up again, but got no response. I just did contact them about a refund and hopefully that will come through...

Gee, I wonder why they came up with the hosting error story while their site was still running? Then they mysteriously close.

[Agent|Star]

Heres something I thought about before... Just realized theres a perfect place to post it.

How come some sites have a privacy policy that states "blah blah privacy important, blah blah we don't share information". Yet they have a tracking list composed of your real name or real email.

You are breaking your own policy people. :(