OPFM Is the Greatest

[opendoor]

Don't let anyone lie to you in here, Thomas Thompson and OPFM is not by any means a scam. It is still the greatest internet matrix build in history.
There are members making money and we have only just begun,

Just because there are a few and I mean few, that are not happy that they are not on top they like to say negative things about OPFM.

Thats ok, we are building at a fantastic speed and we will like all of you to join with us.
Thank You

[Webwatch]

Don't let anyone lie to you in here, Thomas Thompson and OPFM is not by any means a scam. It is still the greatest internet matrix build in history.
There are members making money and we have only just begun,

Just because there are a few and I mean few, that are not happy that they are not on top they like to say negative things about OPFM.

Thats ok, we are building at a fantastic speed and we will like all of you to join with us.
Thank YouTo start with "This is a Ponzi Scam and not a very good one either". The scam must also be on its last legs because why else would anyone come here to try and defend it.
You already openly admit there are a few that aren't happy with it which is the dullest way to promote a scheme I have ever seen.

Then you say you are growing at fantastic speed-This is not MMG you don't fool anyone here with stupid statements like this, try using a bit of proof to back up your argument not hyperthetical statements.

Coming here to defend the undefendable is a total waste of time, maybe at first you thought Matrixwatch meant we where a promotional forum for Matrix/Ponzi Scams, you aren't the first one to make this mistake.

[opendoor]

To start with "This is a Ponzi Scam and not a very good one either". The scam must also be on its last legs because why else would anyone come here to try and defend it.
You already openly admit there are a few that aren't happy with it which is the dullest way to promote a scheme I have ever seen.

Then you say you are growing at fantastic speed-This is not MMG you don't fool anyone here with stupid statements like this, try using a bit of proof to back up your argument not hyperthetical statements.

Coming here to defend the undefendable is a total waste of time, maybe at first you thought Matrixwatch meant we where a promotional forum for Matrix/Ponzi Scams, you aren't the first one to make this mistake.

Obviuosly you don't know what a ponzi scheme is, that is paying someone with someone else's money. You are not too bright are you?

Of course I said some are making money , what you think everyone is going to make money all at once? Give me a break , and get in the real world.

I am not trying to fool anyone here, I am just telling it like it is and you guys can't stand it. I just thought someone should tell the truth so when other ppl read this they have both sides, just not one sided

[Webwatch]

Obviuosly you don't know what a ponzi scheme is, that is paying someone with someone else's money. You are not too bright are you?

Of course I said some are making money , what you think everyone is going to make money all at once? Give me a break , and get in the real world.

I am not trying to fool anyone here, I am just telling it like it is and you guys can't stand it. I just thought someone should tell the truth so when other ppl read this they have both sides, just not one sided
Ouch, A personnal attack from a Ponzi promoting individual like yourself gives no validity to your scheme whatsoever.

Surely you must know that to go on the attack so early into a discussion simply make's you look like the one who isn't so bright.

Give me a break by not trying to promote a scam on an anti scam forum.

The designers of Ponzi schemes are nothing more than common theives, who think a small amount of computer literacy & a vague knowledge of the internet gives them the right to scam others. In most cases they defend there schemes by going on the attack as soon as any one dissagrees with them to divert the attention from what the real discussion is about.

Opendoor if you do respond to my post could you please not go on the attack so quickly, see forum rules, or if you have someone there helping your with your reading and typing could you get them to explain the rules to you.

I do however have a genuine question:
Which payment processor does opfm use ?.

[opendoor]

Trust me, that was not an attack! I think you would know if it was.

How are you going to feel, when OPFM opens it's doors and you are sitting there with egg on your face. Will you then come back here and tell everyone you were wrong, I will.

It's is so so easy just to call anything out there a ponzi scam, I could almost label alot of programs if I did it the way you do.

As far as the payment processor, I have no idea which Thomas and the manager decided to to use. They have not annouced that yet.

[Webwatch]

Trust me, that was not an attack! I think you would know if it was.Trust you-thats never going to happen now is it. Maybe your idea of an attack is different from mine so i won't push this to much.
How are you going to feel, when OPFM opens it's doors and you are sitting there with egg on your face. Will you then come back here and tell everyone you were wrong, I will. Yes I will be here to apologize if I'm wrong but more likely I will be here to help the victims bring the founders of these schemes to Justice and be shown for what they really are.It's is so so easy just to call anything out there a ponzi scam, I could almost label alot of programs if I did it the way you do.Its easy to call opfm a Ponzi scam because thats what it is-It try's to disguise this fact by making the members think they are paying for others to join.As far as the payment processor, I have no idea which Thomas and the manager decided to to use. They have not annouced that yet.Ponzi/Pyramid/Matrix scams now have a great deal of trouble getting a payment processor to work with. The founder members will usually blame a personnal or family illness for the delay.

So out of curiosity as things stand at the moment if there is no payment processor how do you join opfm.

[ycchen]

I think opendoor is inviting MWers to investigate the OPFM, right? ;)

Obviuosly you don't know what a ponzi scheme is, that is paying someone with someone else's money. You are not too bright are you? Since you know exactly what ponzi is, here is a basic question as a warm-up. If OPFM is not a ponzi, can you show us, in real figures or %:

(i) What exactly are the outside incomes/revenues of OPFM? ;
(ii) How much does each kind/stream of outside income/revenue bring to the pool? Thanks.

[Ferret]

You guys are all talk, why don't you put up or shut up.
Where is any of your proof, other than it has not been done in your time.

Please show me some proof that this is a scam, I would like to see it.
Please not your opinions, PROOF. Don't want to hear about all your other programs either, PROOF.

And going by your definition of a ponzi, there are many out there. Why are you attacking the best program out there? Is it hurting your other programs that you are in?. You have no one else at this point and time to slander.

Why don't you wake up, and realize that I am right and you are wrong.
People hate to admit when they are wrong.
Hi Bob aka opendoor, you are one confused guy who is trying to pull off some crap here on this forum
If OPFM is so good why are you saying this at another forum?
http://www.flipteam.forumsplace.com/post-2411.html&highlight=#2411
OPFM contacts me re: pulling out of $24plan
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject:

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Do we all get it yet? I think this dead horse needs to be buried because it surely isn't going to run no matter how long we beat on it!

EVERY move and requirement given to us IS more posturing by the OPFM elite to keep us dragging along for just a little bit longer, spending our money into their pockets.

I can almost hear their twittering laughter as they mandate the next required step to "growing wealth".

Holy crap, you have to call it what it is! A scam! A ripoff!

First of all, look at the so called "products" we are getting in these marvelous companies:

- Advertising ??
- Marketing Training ?? (You have to buy most of the books listed in Emp. That is nothing more than Janet selling a ton of stuff as an affiliate!)
- Leads - HA HA HA HA (has anybody actually been able to contact the great Empowerism leads?)
- Banner Credits ? (I am sure we are all getting rich promoting stuff with T2G banners, NOT!)

Don't you see it my friends? There is nothing of substance here. It is only about the money for recruiting, pure and simple! Sure they have their legal butts covered because they have these "lame-o products", but on closer inspection, these businesses are illegal pyramids by definition and there is nothing that is going to change that. Somebody always loses!!!

Why do we continously believe these bas_____s!!??? Look at all of the businesses we have been led into. They are all so thin it's not funny! The only one that actually has a tangible product is LHN and most of us can't even get close to that because of the Don Garlick wallet cleaning system!!!!!!! And what the hell is the product in the 2x2x3??? And then the OPFM matrices????? There is nothing!! It's only the money!!!

I am cancelling my Emp and $24 Plan immediately now because I just finally convinced myself!!! And, I will also do everything in my power to keep people away from such things in the future!!!

I am going back to promoting my little Jerky :D Direct business http://coxxxxxxxxxx.com/ (Shameless plug! Hell I AM still a marketer! But at least I am honest about it!)
where I actually have a downline and I actually get a product every month that I love! It's not a big moneymaker, but at least I don't have to apologize to anyone I have brought into the fold. I have lots of resources at my disposal that I have wasted since October on this half-a__sed, hare-brained scheme of Thomas Thompson aka "The Great Pretender" and I am going to use them for building real businesses only from now on!

We basically have been victims of our own greed. That's how he convinced us to go along with him in the first place! Don't you see it???

I am embarassed at myself for being so blind! The same thing happened to many of us who were involved in the 12dailypro scheme. We will believe anyone if they say they will make us money for doing hardly any work! That is our downfall. I just look back over my Internet marketing career and see the bad turns I've made by listening to the kind of crap we are being fed here and everytime I lost money.

Yet, when I look at businesses that were legitimate and where I had to work a little to make it happen, I made money, everytime! I haven't gotten rich yet but had I not been sidetracked by every program along the way like OPFM, I just might be getting rich by now. I'll never really know!

I'll stop now because I am almost making myself cry as it all becomes even clearer to me.

God loves you all and so do I! What a darn fine group of people!!!

Good luck in whatever you decide!

Bob
"opendoor"
Bob, Thanks for your testimonial on OPFM and other internet "opportunities"
"Some People hate to admit when they are wrong".lol :D :p

you wouldn't happen to be one of them?????:rolleyes:

[ycchen]

good catch, Ferret. :D

I guess we just need to wait for Bob (a.k.a opendoor) to respond.

Bob, don't forget to address my question on outside income/revenue of OPFM (http://www.matrixwatch.org/forums/showpost.php?p=40102&postcount=7). :)

[Ferret]

good catch, Ferret. :D

I guess we just need to wait for Bob (a.k.a opendoor) to respond.
. :)Actually I have to agree with Webwatch....I think the opendoor here on MW is an imposter........
His command of the english language is not as good as Bob on the other forum
Whatever opendoor was trying to accomplish here has backfired on OPFM as Bob did a great job of unveiling it as a scam

[Webwatch]

Seems the real Opendoor (Bob) has fell prey to a bit of identity theft by our Opendoor (Shannon ?).

Wouldn't it be great if we could get them together to sort out this confusion.

However its unlikely the Fake Opendoor (Shannon?) will show up again but I won't give up hope on the real Opendoor (Bob) appearing as he has made some great posts on the other forum and would be more than welcome here.

Hope this makes sense.:)

[concerned]

Don't let anyone lie to you in here, Thomas Thompson and OPFM is not by any means a scam. It is still the greatest internet matrix build in history.

Either Thomas Thompson is a fake name, or his parents are cruel to make his first name and last name almost the same.

There are members making money and we have only just begun,

This proves NOTHING!!!

Thats ok, we are building at a fantastic speed and we will like all of you to join with us.
Thank You

Gee, we haven't heard this one before from a matrix scam.

Obviuosly you don't know what a ponzi scheme is, that is paying someone with someone else's money. You are not too bright are you?


So, tell us how this matrix scam is NOT paying people at the front of the line with money from people at the back of the line? You can't because the matrix requires people at the back to trigger the cycling of someone at the front.

Of course I said some are making money , what you think everyone is going to make money all at once? Give me a break , and get in the real world.

No, we don't expect everyone to make money, because everyone is getting scammed.

How are you going to feel, when OPFM opens it's doors and you are sitting there with egg on your face. Will you then come back here and tell everyone you were wrong, I will.

Gee, another quote we haven't heard here before. Well, let me ask you this. When WE are right, will YOU come here with egg on YOUR face? I doubt it.

[AvidA]

Look, I just peeked in here because the thread title seemed hilarious. I don't know what OPFM is but "opendoor" it sure does sound like some of the early YMers. None of whom have ever come back to admit their wrong remarks like "you'll be eating crow!" And "YM is the best thing ever! I can't tell you why other than some people made some money, but Kim is a god and we're the best!"
No one is talking about YM now. lol Sorry opendoor, I think you're headed for a big disappointment.

[minstrel]

Just a quick heads up
Payment processor for OPFM's very own matrix will be Thomas Thompson!!

You have to send in money orders, prior to joining the new matrix. Only those with VERY SPECIAL PERMISSION, may use e-gold.....

Sounds very dodgy to me.

Further info..

The New Forum has opened::applause: :applause: :applause:

marige
Site Admin


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: OPFM Forum Policies Reply with quote
PURPOSE

The OPFM Forum is a private, business forum, created to promote and support the OPFM program and flips by offering a pleasant environment in which members can openly exchange positive ideas to better understand the OPFM system as a whole.

As in any business situation, courteous, respectful behavior is REQUIRED of each member, both toward the company in general and toward every other member.

FORUM POLICIES

1. NO ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR
This includes derogatory or critical posts directed toward or about the OPFM program or "flips", the OPFM membership, other forum members, management, the forum itself or its moderators and site admins.

If a member feels they have a valid complaint about the program or their position, it should be directed to their upline, to the Member Center Help Desk or to management. It should not be discussed on the forum, which is sponsored and supported by OPFM.

2. NO ANTAGONISTIC BEHAVIOR
This includes any type of "baiting" or questions clearly designed to imply a decided prejudice against OPFM.

3. NO NON-OPFM PROMOTION
This includes any type of non-OPFM sanctioned links in sig files or within post contents, including "OPFM support" pages. While these pages are both appropriate and encouraged for a member's own downline, they are not welcome on the forum. Uplines should contact their own downlines on a regular basis and be available to help them. Similarly downlines should go to their uplines for problems specific to their account. If an upline is unresponsive, go to the next level up (in Empowerism).

For any links which are non-commercial and a member feels they would like to contribute to the general membership in some way, the appropriate protocol is to email the Help Desk with an explanation of the offering. Once it is approved, it must be confirmed by an OPFM manager prior to posting on the forum.

4. NO ABUSE OF THE PM, EMAIL OR IM COMMUNICATIONS
These additional options are available for private, off-forum communications, as needed. Spamming, illicit messages or any other type of covert activities should be reported by the recipient to a forum moderator or site admin as soon as possible.

5. NO POSTING OF DELIBERATELY FALSE OR MISLEADING INFORMATION
This type of gossip or rumor-mongering will be deleted.

6. ALL MODERATOR DECISIONS ARE FINAL
Potentially valid complaints against moderators should be directed to myself or Stephen, as Site Admins.

INFRACTIONS of these policies will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. They may include Suspension of Membership for a pre-determined period, Suspension of Posting or PM privileges for a pre-determined period or permanent banishment from the forum.

NOTE ABOUT MODERATORS:
The moderators have generously agreed to donate their time on the forum in order to support OPFM. Though many are veteran OPFM members, they are all volunteers and receive no recompense for their efforts. Therefore, I expect every member to treat them with all due respect and deference.

FURTHER EXPLANATION:
For a more thorough understanding of the OPFM forum's role relating to the company in general, please see the Orientation / Training Area.

OPFM Forum
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I can't post in there, I wouldn't last 5 minutes!!

So opendoor, have fun won't you while you're "laughingallthe waytothebank" while others are suffering severe financial hardship at your expense. How do you and others like you sleep at night??

You don't even have the guts to use your real id, you have to "borrow" someone else's. You epitomise everything OPFM stands for, lies and scams.

Stand up and be counted opendoor! Stop hiding behind someone else! I suspect you are too ashamed to reveal yourself.:yes:

[Sparky1]

Just like to throw my two cents worth in.

I am a recovering OPFM addict and since bailing from the matrix madness I feel as though the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders.

I dumped about $500 into the program from Nov 2005 to March 2006 and rendered no returns. Granted, many will say I was not vested long enough to see any returns but my reasons for bailing were more to do with never really knowing what was going on or if I would ever see any ROI.

It seemed to me that OPFM was more cult than a business opportunity. Information sessions were all hype & promises which never seemed to come to fruition. Dissenting opinions were vigorously quashed and I see now that their very own forum has been taken off their server.

There is or was, a lot of great people involved in the program & I think many lost their shirts in the process because all Mr. Thompson’s best laid plans never played out or if they did they had grievous errors in their design or execution.

So there it is, my analysis in a nut shell.

Cheers,
Sparky1

[trackermo]

Latest update: OPFM is paying.

'nuff said.

Trackermo

[Arzel]

Latest update: OPFM is paying.

'nuff said.

Trackermo

Paying like YMMSS? My guess is that you are one of the early profiteers, since it is a Matrix mosts will lose.

It is a scam.

'nuff said.

[concerned]

Latest update: OPFM is paying.

'nuff said.

Trackermo

Don't forget to thank all the people you scammed for paying you.

[SANDSTER]

Trust me, that was not an attack! I think you would know if it was.

How are you going to feel, when OPFM opens it's doors and you are sitting there with egg on your face. Will you then come back here and tell everyone you were wrong, I will.

It's is so so easy just to call anything out there a ponzi scam, I could almost label alot of programs if I did it the way you do.

As far as the payment processor, I have no idea which Thomas and the manager decided to to use. They have not annouced that yet.



What part of a 'bad investment' don't you understand?
MATRIX WATCH is a Forum that tries to protect individuals by entertaining them with the truth. Who let you in? I like the part about "egg in your face". Actually, there won't be a frying
pan left to cook the egg when OPFM runs off with your money and that is why it will be in egg YOUR face and 'you can take that.........to the bank'.

Oh....about Payment Processor problems?
Gee.......this sounds JUST LIKE a Brian Marsden thingy.(PIPS)
Just when he was ready to hit the road and getting ready to leave with
the coins, he also used the excuse of "not being able to find a payment processor, and the one he was currently using, could not handle the overloads of withdrawels" yada yada yada. You believe that...I'll tell you somemore.
KINDERGARTEN QUESTION: Why was BRIAN having a payment processor problem?
ROCKET SCIENCE ANSWER: Because he didn't want to pay anymore money and now Malasia is investigating him for MONEY LAUDERING. Brian are you hiding in OPFM? I think you are.......:nono:

SANDSTER HAS SPOKEN AGAIN!:applause:

[sadenra]

OPFM is being investigated by at least one attorney general I know of, for a fact.....the state of Illinois, and rumor has OPFM has also been reported to the Wisconsin and Minnesota attorney general's office as well. I verified Illinois with the AG's office secretary.

[Daniel Cassidy]

I got out of OPFM because of too many empty promises. They kept on pushing things back and telling people to just hold on. Also I do not want to ruin my credibilty as a marketer by promoting such programs that have no value. The only reason I joined was because I saw it as an opportunity to promote the main program I am involved in. It was getting way to expensive (Over $100 a month) and really shady.

[coralal]

I got out of OPFM because of too many empty promises. They kept on pushing things back and telling people to just hold on. Also I do not want to ruin my credibilty as a marketer by promoting such programs that have no value. The only reason I joined was because I saw it as an opportunity to promote the main program I am involved in. It was getting way to expensive (Over $100 a month) and really shady.


Sounds like YMMSS/STA lol

[minstrel]

great news Sadenra!

Are you absolutely certain? I have access to their forum as an old member perhaps I should let them all know, hopefully some may read it before I am exterminated by the robotic moderators!

Minstrel