What happened to Viper?

[foolmeonce]

Viper is no longer a Mod, or for that matter, hasn,t posted in weeks. I hear he had to go back to his day job. Poor thing. I guess all that money he stole from us is all gone.
He was one of the most gung-ho people over there. You would think he would have time to post about how great .03 cents per pos. is.
I kinda believe he was one of the mods that had at least half a brain. Maybe he wised up to all the crap and just left.

[drankoolaid]

Sounds like he is a smarter one --

Most folks wanted to get OFF the Titanic when
it was sinking -- until they realized they couldn't!

[KimSUCKS!]

i've heard other things, i'm unsure if they're true or not

[AvidA]

I kinda believe he was one of the mods that had at least half a brain.

You're right about that. He only had half a brain but he used it to con you and me and every other YMer until he drained that levy dry. Now he's onto other computer things. He has other scam sites going, although he took them down when I posted them here once. :) He's a thieving liar and a no good scam artist--nothing more. Remember his signature: YMM$$ Rocks!!! --even though he knew you and I and the rest were being taken. :rolleyes:

[Somebody]

I think that he is here, and will soon make his presence known.

[ycchen]

Viper, if you are reading this, we welcome you to our side, a better side that you want to be associated with. ;)

Feel free to post your testimonial on your experience with YMMSS and STA. In MatrixWatch, we welcome everybody who is willing to make genuine dialogue and share their stories. :)

[Somebody]

Viper, if you are reading this, we welcome you to our side, a better side that you want to be associated with. ;)

Feel free to post your testimonial on your experience with YMMSS and STA. In MatrixWatch, we welcome everybody who is willing to make genuine dialogue and share their stories. :)

Right, Vipe, it would NOT surprise me if you show up :) you are a very intelligent person, and anybody can get trapped into these kinds of things.

We should quit saying personal bad things about the people in YM because it might make them scared to show up here after all the bad things we have said about them.

[ycchen]

right on, Somebody. :applause:

I believe most of us (if not all) agree that most moderators (except a few core members who are responsible for the design of the scam from day 1) are also victims in denial. They will be hurt (both pscyhologically and financially) even more when the ponzi scam collapse.

I know it is easy for me to say this (since I am not a victim), but I do believe most moderators are victims too. For those of you who has waken up from the nightmare, try to have an open arms for all victims. :)

This is not just a forum filled with angry people wanting justice, but also a place to healing and find comfort as well, hopefully. :)

[tafkaga]

I didn't know Viper that well but I did exchange some PM's with him, and I always thought he seemed like a pretty honest guy. I could be completely wrong. Once I mentioned "other income sources" in a forum post and he sent me a PM to ask me what they were, then we talked a little about them. He didn't seem quite as die-hard as some of the other mods. I could be way off base but it wouldn't surprise me if Viper was scammed just like all of us. I remember once singing the praises of YM, not because I was a scammer, but because for a time I believed in a lie.

[AvidA]

Oh we all sang the praises. While I didn't do it outwardly, inwardly I was just giddy! lol

Viper made as much as he could and realized before most to get out and get on to something "better". He still uses the internet and other people's money and is scum in my opionion, although I never had a row with him in the forums. He was the one with the cheer squad who randomly took down "negative" posts all the while having a sig line that says YMM$$ ROCKS!!! Until it quit paying him............................:rolleyes: Make no mistake about it, he's the snake he claims to be.

In reading the other posts here, I welcome anyone BUT the mods. They can all just bugger off. I can show Viper NO MERCY just as he showed others no mercy when he knew for so long what was happening and yet egged everyone on anyway. Differences of opinions on this one my MW friends....but then I lived it and can't yet forgive it.

[Golfer2]

I have to agree with AvidA. I think he has realized he has made all the money he is going to make with YMMSS/STA & has moved on to other scams. I don't expect him to show up in MW.

[ycchen]

Correct me if I am wrong, I thought there more than 3 dozen of mods on YM / STA forum, right?

If that is the case, I still believe that not every mods are the habitual ponzi players or insiders. Of course, it is hard to judge who is more "innocent" than the rest.

With all your respect, MW is a free speech forum, thus still still welcome all parties, including Kim Inman, if they have something interesting to share with us. :)

[Dreamer]

Viper smart? Not involved in the scam? I believe that as much as I believe that stupid little kimmy thinks that he has created a viable business, and not just an eloberate scam.

Every time somebody suggested that ymmss was a ponzi, his stupid arse response was that there are people who joined after him that is making more money than him so therefore its not a ponzi.

I have never figured out the logic of that argument. It doesnt even sound good. I mean if I join a ponzi and put in $10 and ycchen is standing in line behind me and puts in $20, ycchen has made more money then me.

Its one thing being a supporter of ym and hoping to make some money because you believe in the business, but its another thing to be responsible for deleting all posts that could possibly be bad for the business. After awhile, somebody with half a brain would ask why they are going to that measure.

[ycchen]

Dreamer, good to see you again! Haven't seen you for a while! :)

My invitation is to all mods, and not just Viper or BTcohen. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, they can't delete your posts here. :D

If there is a good place to debate about the "future" of STA, it is here. ;)

[AvidA]

BTCohen is just a rude person at the ymforums as well as here. Viper is who dereamer is talking about and he's a guilty mo fo. Can't stand him, hope he goes straight to prison and has a hard go of it. Even the big boys need to learn how to swing a shank in jail, Viper. Although, ycchen is right. You're welcome to come here just as Kim is and explain why you felt the need to STEAL from me you @#$%^&*(!!

[BTCohen]

Avida, you have no right to call anyone rude. You are the most vitriolic person I have encountered on this little blot of cyberspace.

Viper on the other hand is one of the nicest people who ever volunteered at YM. Always helpful and going 100% out of his way for anyone who asked for help. Including me.

Also, I am only rude to people like you who totally deserve nothing more than short shrift. You change towards me and I'll change towards you.

To people who are genuinly upset or in need of comfort, I am a good friend. Or try to be.

So why dont you leave your pathetic personal attacks aside and concentrate on your own affairs. You are nothing more than a good reason for visitors to NOT register at this forum.

[AvidA]

Funny BT, because I have gotten more people to join here than anyone else.

Viper can afford to go out of his way when he's picking someone elses pocket. BT, you've ALWAYS been rude in both forums!! And no one takes you seriously. I just can't find it in myself to do it either.

[ycchen]

Avida, you have no right to call anyone rude. You are the most vitriolic person I have encountered on this little blot of cyberspace.

Viper on the other hand is one of the nicest people who ever volunteered at YM. Always helpful and going 100% out of his way for anyone who asked for help. Including me.

Also, I am only rude to people like you who totally deserve nothing more than short shrift. You change towards me and I'll change towards you.

To people who are genuinly upset or in need of comfort, I am a good friend. Or try to be.

So why dont you leave your pathetic personal attacks aside and concentrate on your own affairs. You are nothing more than a good reason for visitors to NOT register at this forum.BT, good to see you again. :) Are you ready to give us your testimonial regarding YMMSS /STA? It would be nice if we have a positive testimonial showing people that YMMSS turn STA actually provide someone (not everyone, but at least someone) a positve cash flow.

What YMers need right now is not empty promises by the YM/STA executives (read: paid staffs), but real postiive testimonials that would give people hope to stay on.

Want to give it a try? ;)

Also, what do you see the future of STA?

I like to extend this invitation to Viper and all the mods, supporters and promoters of YM/STA as well. :)

We have too many old testimonial back in the 2004, we need updated testimonials in May 2006 to give YM/STA hope to hang on. We all know that that ponzis can only give you an very old testimonials, and if you believe YM/ STA is not a ponzi, give us an updated testimonial ? ;)

If YM/STA promoters/supporters cannot give any positive testimonials, how can you blame the YMers for being negative?

Fair enough, BT? :)

Viper, if BT does not have anything positive about STA (except Kim Inman is a good man:rolleyes: ), what about you? I heard that you are abondoning YM to chase after other ponzis, is that true? ;)

[wonderwoman]

BT, you better not mess with Avida, she is not one to do this, but, there
is only two images to give, a thumbs up or a thumbs down, and I give you
the "bird finger"--

[AvidA]

You go, wonderwoman! lol And besides, he really doesn't have anything to report that's any good about YM. He's just a stubborn diehard who can't take the truth.

[Kim_Inmans_Butt]

Viper was extremely rude to me in the past via PM when I posted a non-cheerleading post in YMForums, and was as big a TOU-deleter as the rest of 'em. He's not worth worrying about.

[AvidA]

There's really no two ways about it: He's a cheating scum like the rest of those who support him!!!

[BTCohen]

Avida, You are no more than a nasty and bitter scuttlebutt. You attached yourself to an odd little crowd in the YMForum and since you lost your raison d'etre there, you have attached yourself over here.

You attack folk at YM for being cheerleaders and yet you always play to the crowd in here.

"Ohh, look at me, I can say 'scum' in big red letters!!"

As I said before, you turn people away and waste a lot of time with your pish.

_______________________________________________

YCchen

Do you really want to hear my testimony. Is it possible to do so without being jumped on by the nut-cases who cruise this forum? Ok.

I get paid every week by STA. Not millions of dollars but enough to let me know that they are making every effort to make the business work as good as is possible. I have belief that, in a reasonable time frame, things will get much better.

Testimony over for now.

[AvidA]

:applause:. Thank you for explaining that to us BT. You've confirmed very nicely what we already knew about the successful rate of pay over at STA. And not that it is any of your miserable business, but I was a member here long before I was a member there. And I still go there. Put that in your big british *** and smoke it! lol

You know what I've noticed about you, ya do-less character? That you're always on the prowl with me. You got a crush, or just nothing better to do? Oh wait! I remember now, you're an STA cheerleader....the truth hurts. :rolleyes: No wonder I bug you so bad that you have to follow me around. :)

[ycchen]

Avida, You are no more than a nasty and bitter scuttlebutt. You attached yourself to an odd little crowd in the YMForum and since you lost your raison d'etre there, you have attached yourself over here.

You attack folk at YM for being cheerleaders and yet you always play to the crowd in here.

"Ohh, look at me, I can say 'scum' in big red letters!!"

As I said before, you turn people away and waste a lot of time with your pish.

_______________________________________________

YCchen

Do you really want to hear my testimony. Is it possible to do so without being jumped on by the nut-cases who cruise this forum? Ok.

I get paid every week by STA. Not millions of dollars but enough to let me know that they are making every effort to make the business work as good as is possible. I have belief that, in a reasonable time frame, things will get much better.

Testimony over for now. Thanks. So, I guess you are happy with a few penny payment so far? Or you have enough EPCs to get paid hundreds per week? :eek:

A follow-up question if I may. Everyone positive YMers has a time frame to hang on to, I wonder what is your time frame? :)
1) 3 months for STA to pay $3/$320
2) 6 months for STA to pay $3/$320
3) 1 year STA to pay $3/$320
4) I don't care, ask long as they keep paying me (few pennies /$320), I will continue to stick with STA.
5) I will be loyal to Kim and STA no matter what happen (even if STA stop paying).

[BTCohen]

Avida, I'm not British.

Do you think I'm following you? You should be so lucky. Why don't you do a little search and take notice; the only time I even talk to someone at your level, is when they mention my name. Seem's it's you who has some fantasy going on.

____________

Ycchen, thanks for showing me exactly how much of a reprobate you really are. I should have known better. Discussion over.

[drzod]

When I joined I had my sights set high. After fees I had $370 in YM/STA. Since I had a $320, a $40, and a $10 EPC I was going to wait until six cycles until I had $23,680 in commissions and start enjoying my income.

I made it to $5,920 (4 cycles), but I think even if I hadn't gotten kicked out I would still be waiting to cycle.

Wait - that doesn't happen anymore.

With the new system paying pennies on a mature EPC, I would be dead before I reached my goal.

I came here and learned the truth.

BT,

My hopes and dreams were crushed by YM/STA. You cannot honestly tell me that you are as happy with the new system as you were with the old one.

I am just curious as to what are your hopes and dreams with YM/STA.

[sisco50]

When I joined I had my sights set high. After fees I had $370 in YM/STA. Since I had a $320, a $40, and a $10 EPC I was going to wait until six cycles until I had $23,680 in commissions and start enjoying my income.

I made it to $5,920 (4 cycles), but I think even if I hadn't gotten kicked out I would still be waiting to cycle.

Wait - that doesn't happen anymore.

With the new system paying pennies on a mature EPC, I would be dead before I reached my goal.

I came here and learned the truth.

BT,

My hopes and dreams were crushed by YM/STA. You cannot honestly tell me that you are as happy with the new system as you were with the old one.

I am just curious as to what are your hopes and dreams with YM/STA.

That's the problem with these types of programs. They seem to always end up crushing peoples hopes and dreams. Not to speak of taking peoples money and running with it. The only way to avoid this is to totally avoid this type of program on the net. :)

[Deso]

Ycchen, thanks for showing me exactly how much of a reprobate you really are. I should have known better. Discussion over.

BT Cohen, interesting choice of vocabulary there...

From Dictionary.com:
rep·ro·bate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rpr-bt)
n.
A morally unprincipled person.
One who is predestined to damnation.

adj.
Morally unprincipled; shameless.
Rejected by God and without hope of salvation.

tr.v. rep·ro·bat·ed, rep·ro·bat·ing, rep·ro·bates
To disapprove of; condemn.
To abandon to eternal damnation. Used of God.


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[From Middle English, condemned, from Late Latin reprobtus, past participle of reprobre, to reprove : Latin re-, opposite; see re- + Latin probre, to approve; see prove.]
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repro·bation n.
repro·bative adj.


reprobate

adj : marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good; "depraved criminals"; "a perverted sense of loyalty"; "the reprobate conduct of a gambling aristocrat" [syn: depraved, immoral, perverse, perverted] n : a person without moral scruples [syn: miscreant] v 1: reject (documents) as invalid [ant: approbate] 2: abandon to eternal damnation; "God reprobated the unrepenting sinner" 3: express strong disapproval of; "We condemn the racism in South Africa"; "These ideas were reprobated" [syn: condemn, decry, objurgate, excoriate]


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University


reprobate

that which is rejected on account of its own worthlessness (Jer. 6:30; Heb. 6:8;
Gr. adokimos, "rejected"). This word is also used with reference to persons cast
away or rejected because they have failed to make use of opportunities offered
them (1 Cor. 9:27; 2 Cor. 13:5-7).

I would be interested as to why you chose that specific word..

[BTCohen]

Drzod

Where have you been hiding?

Did I ever say I wouldn't rather the old system was still in place? Am I just as happy with the new? Financially, I would rather have things the way they were in 2004. Reality dictates differently though.

Reality is, we have what we have and we make the best of it. The business has my support.

__________________________

Deso, my choice of word is summed up in your first definition. A morally unprincipled person.

To attract someone into a discussion, then when they give an honest answer, you disect every sentence and add criticisms; is at best disingenuous.

Oh, are you going to enter into a monologue about morality? Because if you are, give us all a break and dont bother. Heard it before.

__________________________


Those who lost faith or felt crushed by the down-turn in fortunes, I am genuinly sorry for. However, those who make the nasty remarks over here, I have no sympathy for at all.

You all claim to have made losses. Not true. If Kim had run off with my money I would register that as a loss too, but as it happens, Kim is still there and the business continues. Yes at a slower pace than before but at least they are trying as hard as they can to make something of it.

How many online buisness owners have that kind of commitment? I have never seen a business getting so much negative attention and yet many business just disappear with the loot and very little is said or done about it.

YM/STA have remained and their forum remains too and that is the reason why they get so much negative attention. Because information is available. If they just closed the door and run off, interest would diminish into obscurity.

I dont see too many attacking IT4US in this forum anymore. Why? Becuse there is no one to attack. The target's have been taken down. As long as you have a nice soft target like the YMForum, you cannot stop yourself foaming at the mouth over every crumb of info that falls down next to your leg of the table.

[Arzel]

You all claim to have made losses. Not true. If Kim had run off with my money I would register that as a loss too, but as it happens, Kim is still there and the business continues. Yes at a slower pace than before but at least they are trying as hard as they can to make something of it.

How many online buisness owners have that kind of commitment? I have never seen a business getting so much negative attention and yet many business just disappear with the loot and very little is said or done about it.

YM/STA have remained and their forum remains too and that is the reason why they get so much negative attention. Because information is available. If they just closed the door and run off, interest would diminish into obscurity.


That is such a stupid arguement, and it is continuously made. I think you have just heard it so many times you believe it to be true.

What will it take for you to believe that you...well maybe not you, but almost everyone has lost money and has no possibility of having it all returned to them?

I would argue that almost all involved with YMMSS have lost money. Why? Becuase YMMSS doesn't exist anymore, at least not according to Esto or any of the other major pushers. Plus the original model doesn't exist. You claim that because Kim is still around, this is proof that he hasn't taken any money. But this is kind of a catch-22. It is obvious YMMSS/STA is never going to be able to come up with the 100+ Million to right this ship, at least not in then next couple hundred years, but yet you and others continue to state "No one has lost any money"

It is you that is being a "reprobate". Remember when people were gloating about how you couldn't double your money in a bank? Well right now, at roughly $0.03 per 32 that is less than a $2 a year, and much less than the interest one would have made if that money had simply stayed in the bank. Thus there are people losing interest money on the money they invested in YMMSS, thus it is LOST!

[Deso]

Deso, my choice of word is summed up in your first definition. A morally unprincipled person.

To attract someone into a discussion, then when they give an honest answer, you disect every sentence and add criticisms; is at best disingenuous.

Oh, are you going to enter into a monologue about morality? Because if you are, give us all a break and dont bother. Heard it before.

__________________________


Those who lost faith or felt crushed by the down-turn in fortunes, I am genuinly sorry for. However, those who make the nasty remarks over here, I have no sympathy for at all.

You all claim to have made losses. Not true. If Kim had run off with my money I would register that as a loss too, but as it happens, Kim is still there and the business continues. Yes at a slower pace than before but at least they are trying as hard as they can to make something of it.

How many online buisness owners have that kind of commitment? I have never seen a business getting so much negative attention and yet many business just disappear with the loot and very little is said or done about it.

YM/STA have remained and their forum remains too and that is the reason why they get so much negative attention. Because information is available. If they just closed the door and run off, interest would diminish into obscurity.

I dont see too many attacking IT4US in this forum anymore. Why? Becuse there is no one to attack. The target's have been taken down. As long as you have a nice soft target like the YMForum, you cannot stop yourself foaming at the mouth over every crumb of info that falls down next to your leg of the table.


Dont you dare put words in my mouth BT Cohen.:nono:
For someone who writes as though they seem an intelligent person you dont half talk the biggest load of cr*p.:crazy:
I dont need to dissect anything you say. I think everyone reading your previous posts can make they're own mind up.:shake:
As for a monologue about morality, I think Id get a better reaction from my dogs. :rolleyes:

[drzod]

Drzod

Where have you been hiding?

Did I ever say I wouldn't rather the old system was still in place? Am I just as happy with the new? Financially, I would rather have things the way they were in 2004. Reality dictates differently though.

Reality is, we have what we have and we make the best of it. The business has my support.
************************************************** ********
BT, I have been hiding right here. I read this forum everyday. I also jump over the YM forums every once in awhile.

I have no hostility towards you. I give you credit for showing up here and responding - that can't be easy. I just think you should be more upset about being forced to give up a business model that was much more rewarding to you personally and financially. Has the change not affected your standard of living?

If STA can attract big name clients and keep paying IBA's, I'll admit I was wrong. I have just never seen a company that is supposed to be on the "cutting edge" generate so many unhappy former members. The main problem people on this site have with STA is the lies and hype that were put out there in 2003 and 2004 to grow membership. Kim claims it was never a "get rich quick scheme," but that is how it was sold to me.

By the way, since YM does not exist anymore, why are the forums still called the YM forums? Shouldn't Kim and company change the name to the STA forums? Just wondering.

[YM/Censorship]

By the way, since YM does not exist anymore, why are the forums still called the YM forums? Shouldn't Kim and company change the name to the STA forums? Just wondering.

Thats because he needs something productive to do tomorrow. Yesterday it was afs, today IBA's or whatever. Tomorrow it will be the Bull**** Forums.

Sorry all you Bulls.

[BTCohen]

Deso, it is obvious you misread my post. I was addressing you but referring to Ycchen.

Anyway, I can see I have attracted the zombies so I am out of here,

Harry (non-british,non-mod but free thinking revolutionary)

[AvidA]

Definitely British, definitely flies the Union Jack or a part of it. You don't fool me. lol

BT, you come here because you're nasty and you like to argue. God how you remind me of Alan. Both too stupid to know when you've been defeated. :crazy:

One last aria for you as you leave, BT. http://www.newjerusalemministriesboards.com/images/smilies/nopity.gif

[wonderwoman]

BT, who ever, and what ever you are, if we all had to have 8 digits cut off
our hands, the 2 remaining, the "bird ones" would still belong, and be given
to you--You are so full of bull==maybe you need something "cut off" to
prove your point--LOL

[ycchen]

Ycchen, thanks for showing me exactly how much of a reprobate you really are. I should have known better. Discussion over. Thanks, BT, I learnt one more GRE vocabulary. :)

BT, don't get upset, I was just trying to follow-up with your remark on "resonable time frame". Would you kindly share with us your resonable time frame (when) for STA to get much better (define better)? :)

I get paid every week by STA. Not millions of dollars but enough to let me know that they are making every effort to make the business work as good as is possible. I have belief that, in a reasonable time frame, things will get much better.

[callmesucker]

I would like to know is BT really making money or is it just showing up in his back office. How can you be making money when there is no way to get it.

[AvidA]

He's making it up, of course because he can't face the reality. He's weak and it's too harsh for him. We must support ole' BT. You know he comes here for some reason......:yes:

[BTCohen]

lol

Maybe my ancestors derived some absurd pleasure from going to freak shows because it seems I have some genetic leanings that lead me to places like this out of some morbid curiosity. Maybe I'm just bored travelling and enjoy the company. Like hanging with the bad boy's.

[AvidA]

Maybe! That certainly would explain a lot about your personality. Hey! Maybe they were all carnies. lol

[superDave]

I would like to know is BT really making money or is it just showing up in his back office. How can you be making money when there is no way to get it.

Ya know, all posturing aside, that is a very good question.
So far, I have seen everything but an answer.
:rolleyes:

-superDave

[ycchen]

Well, may be not everyone's backoffice is the same. :rolleyes:

And not everyone is paid through debit card. ;)

[drankoolaid]

--



Those who lost faith or felt crushed by the
down-turn in fortunes, I am genuinly sorry for.

However, those who make the nasty remarks over here,
I have no sympathy for at all.

Apparently BT's feelings have been hurt here ar MW.
I think too -- he must have a few friends at YM / STA and
does not appreciate them having been attacked personally --

You all claim to have made losses. Not true.
If Kim had run off with my money I would register
that as a loss too, but as it happens, Kim is still
there and the business continues.

This is a bit baffling --- Member / Investor losses
are well documented here at Matrix Watch. If there
were no losses there would be no need to take action.

Kim is still there and the business continues? Well there
may be an appearance of a 'business' but that is it --
an 'appearance.' I have no clue as to where BT gets
his facts or why he continues to put so much faith in 'Kim'
although there definitely seems to be something more
than a 'business' relationship as hinted in this rhetoric --

Yes at a slower pace than before but at least
they are trying as hard as they can to make something of it.

Slower pace? Perhaps this is a great understatement
as any -- assessing STA performance -- no pace would be
a far more accurate description. Whatever is happening over
there -- is mere smoke -- mirror -- window dressing to give
once again -- appearance that something is actually happening.

Admittedly there probably ARE a misguided few who ARE
trying hard to 'make something of it.' That is a shame for them
as they still cannot come to terms with the fact that the
'business' was never really a business -- at all -- and the ONLY
business that is now taking place is 'monkey business' trying
to cover up the original illegal money scheme that is now called
[hic] STA -- Success Through Advertising --

How many online buisness owners have that
kind of commitment? I have never seen a business
getting so much negative attention and yet many
business just disappear with the loot and very little
is said or done about it.

This is very revealing. There is a lot is the above
paragraph that would not be easily or readily apparent.
It shows a very conflicted BT -- He is all over the
map in the above rant. --

YM/STA have remained and their forum remains
too and that is the reason why they get so much
negative attention. Because information is available.

Again -- 'negative attention' is mentioned -- that is
twice in 2 successive paragraphs -- and BT goes on
to say that YM [forum] is attacked 'because information
is available' meaning he absolutely hates the fact that
YM postings -- YM forum info is copied here at MW.

More than likely BT has been on the receiving end
of very unflattering things said -- here -- copied
from there -- he is obviously resentful that this has happened.

People with large ego's have one main enemy -- criticism
in any form -- by anyone -- no matter facts or truth
It is far more comforting to live within a lie than to be criticized.

If they just closed the door and run off, interest
would diminish into obscurity.

Well actually BT does have a point here.

I dont see too many attacking IT4US in this forum anymore.
Why? Becuse there is no one to attack. The target's
have been taken down. As long as you have a nice soft
target like the YMForum, you cannot stop yourself foaming
at the mouth over every crumb of info that falls down next
to your leg of the table.

Again BT has a point -- although it is such an obvious point
one wonders why he would bother posting it at all.


My analysis?

Several people here at Matrix Watch have seriously
hurt BT's feeling's -- and BT is far too macho a guy
to let those feelings show. It is much 'easier' for him
to harbor resentments and engage in name calling
'trailer park trash' -- 'hillbillies' --- 'mental deficients' and the like
rather than give satisfaction of actually answering a question --

The truth is -- BT is a good person trying to break out.
He comes close by showing a very noble human emotion --
'empathy' for those to have "lost faith or felt crushed by
the down-turn in fortunes"

BT realizes that people have been hurt -- and most certainly
the 'business' has failed people -- however at this point
in time -- he would rather eat dirt --roll in the mud and
howl at the moon that to admit anything here regarding
Inman / STA / the 'business' etc etc -- much less answer
a good and fair question -- sensibly

The hurt feelings and resentments run too deep and truth hurts --

Best Regards,
Michael

[BTCohen]

Dear Drankureownbile

You dont half talk some scheiße.

Your little analysis is funny. Ribtickling even! If I had time to get into it with you I would but I have to be somewhere. Another time perhaps.

For now though, just keep taking the tablets and try and lie down in the afternoons.

Shalom

[ycchen]

BT, seriously, how much did you invest in YM / STA?

Guessing from your "I don't care" attitude, I guess you probably invest very little, right?

What's the logic of defending a failed "business" if you have so little in it? Boredom? lol

Since you know very little about this "business", I wonder if you can get some knowledable people (other mods perhaps) to tell us what's going on with this penny paying system? Thanks. :)

[drankoolaid]

Hi There BT --

That will be $300 for the hour --

You may pay by certified check or money order.

No e gold, storm pay or Cornerstone debit accepted --

Oh yes -- I forgot to mention ---

Excessive feelings of guilt aggravated by incessant denial --
giving way to excessive feelings of entitlement and deep rooted hostility.

No extra charge --

Best Regards,
Michael

[drzod]

BT, in my post above I let you know exactly how much I "invested." I told you my plan, how far I got, and even gave you the actual numbers. You can verify this information from people at YM/STA if you desire.

I only lost $50 due to a refund from YM. This is nothing compared to the thousands lost to others who believed in Kim.

Just come clean. How much did you invest in YM/STA? How much have you received in return?

As a said above, I "invested" $400, which after fees wound up as $370 in the old YMMSS. I had cycled commissions of $5920, but was never paid a cent by YM/STA. I was refunded a total of $350, so I wound up losing $50.

These are facts, and truths. Both are words that YM/STA supporters need a refresher on. Look up the meanings in the dictionary and get back to us with some facts and the truth about your involvement.

By the way, BT smile. :) There is always room from one more over here.

[AvidA]

Dear Drankureownbile

You dont half talk some scheiße.

Your little analysis is funny. Ribtickling even! If I had time to get into it with you I would but I have to be somewhere. Another time perhaps.

For now though, just keep taking the tablets and try and lie down in the afternoons.

Shalom

Sounds more like he touched off a nerve, BT. As he said, back to name calling (drankurownbile)?? You've never had a good argument, you still don't. You're just as stubborn and rude here as you are in the ymforums. You're good for absolutely nothing here. But still you come....maybe it is YOU who needs to attack the people HERE for their validity against your "company".

You say you "truly feel badly for those who were crushed, etc". Who the hell do you think WE ARE? You don't have empathy--just an empty head. You are so much like Alan (I still think you are, Mr. Duplicity!) and you're no Jew so stop with that crap! It's borderline anti-semitic.

[BTCohen]

Avida

Oi vai iz mir!

I just got in and what do I see?

Even if I were not a jew, (I am not offended by you) SHALOM, is used widely in christian circles also so dont show yourself to be a complete ignoramus.

You say I'm good for nothing here!

What about you? You think you know me?

Ata lo tzodeket

Shalom

[ycchen]

BT, in my post above I let you know exactly how much I "invested." I told you my plan, how far I got, and even gave you the actual numbers. You can verify this information from people at YM/STA if you desire.

I only lost $50 due to a refund from YM. This is nothing compared to the thousands lost to others who believed in Kim.

Just come clean. How much did you invest in YM/STA? How much have you received in return?

As a said above, I "invested" $400, which after fees wound up as $370 in the old YMMSS. I had cycled commissions of $5920, but was never paid a cent by YM/STA. I was refunded a total of $350, so I wound up losing $50.

These are facts, and truths. Both are words that YM/STA supporters need a refresher on. Look up the meanings in the dictionary and get back to us with some facts and the truth about your involvement.

By the way, BT smile. :) There is always room from one more over here. BT, can you for once write something meaningful? Here is an invitation from drzod agian in case you missed it. ;)

[drankoolaid]

Shalom BT,

Are you - hishtagata?

How about L'aMet your investment or losses, bevakasha?

BT -- AviDa "Ata lo tzodeket?" Why is it so important
for you to be 'right' in such simple matters?
Sa'arah B'Kos Mayim! Just throw us a small crumb
of ANYTHING that is meaningful -- it won't hurt promise!

Drishat Shalom,
Michael

ps -- AviDa -- BT is meshuga -- Chabdeihu Vechoshdeihu --

[AvidA]

Hey, Michael, I am not even Jewish and I can understand that! Of course my best friend is a Jew...lol

BT, I am schvitzing all over myself---explain the flame alphabet to me and the difference between the kadish and the kidish. Give me something Kosher to go by. :) Then I may believe that you KNOW a Jew--but I live in a Jewish neighborhood and you're no Jew. But you'd be more than mushugna if you knew what all I really do here. You'd be verklempt. lol

Also, answer Dr. Zod's post while you're here.

[Deso]

Erm.. sorry to butt in, but as the original topic of this thread asks, does anybody have any up to date knowledge of what happened to the Venomous One, named Viper?
Has he been seen/heard recently?

[BTCohen]

Avida, that is stupidest thing I've ever heard. You decide which ethnic group people belong to because you live in a Jewish neighborhood? Now that's funny. Juvenile even. I think I'll avoid you now because you are not a nice person. However, I hope your life get's better than it has been so far. Thus, you may become a little gentler. It's not becoming to be so mean. Shalom uv'racha

DrFraud, I'm not crazy. A little annoyed, but sane. Your use of a Hebrew phrase book is most unimpressive. lol

As for how much I have in STA; that would be my business. Let's say enough to keep me interested.

[ycchen]

Erm.. sorry to butt in, but as the original topic of this thread asks, does anybody have any up to date knowledge of what happened to the Venomous One, named Viper?
Has he been seen/heard recently?
Since BT has absolutely nothing to contribute, so I hope he won't distract us from any nonesense any more. Until you have something meaningful to share with us ...goodbye BT, and good luck to your "business". ;)

Back to the original topic, where is Viper?

[BTCohen]

lol

I cant believe you are still pushing that inane question. lol

The guy may be working out of town. Maybe he had a family emergency. Maybe he works on a submarine and is under the ice for 6 months.

Maybe he is not well. Maybe he has been promoted at work and simply has no spare time to spend at the YMforum.

Is it really anyones business?

Is this still matrixwatch? Are you still the Chief Matrix Analyst?

[ycchen]

Bye BT, I thought you are gone for sure. why are you still here? :shake:

[BTCohen]

Here was I, thinking this forum welcomed all comers.

To think the YMforum get's totally savaged in here and here we have the chief matrix analyst trying to get rid of me.

Tell you what, I have to be at breakfast before 8.30 or they wont serve me so I'll leave you to it.

Back to your quest now, chief matrix analyst.

[Deso]

BTcohen, stop being a chub-end. :nono:
No-one asked if it was anyones business what happened to viper we were merely asking if his whereabouts were known. If you want to discuss if we have any business asking this question, may I suggest you start another thread instead of trying to distract this one off topic as you seem to have been doing for almost all the threads you have posted in the time you have been here.:)
Which I have noticed, you always make a point of mentioning you have somewhere else to be therefore you cant continue any discussion to its end. It seems strange for someone who is busy to care to visit a board who goes against their own business? Why would you do that? Is it some morbid curiousity or does no-one speak in YMforums anymore?
Maybe you're lonely after all. Did Kim not let you in on the game? So you feel you have to come over here and try to stir this board up? After all the YMforums arent much to write home about are they?lol
Be thankfull you dont have to buy any "advertising credits" to get your point across here so you are welcome to your own point of view..
Maybe you should think about that the next time you post...dumbass .. rolleyes:

[drankoolaid]

Hello Again.

I agree that we are a bit off topic.
But then again the question doesn't seem
to be getting answered and this thread for
whatever reason seems to have gotten 'popular.'

BT you are right again. It is unimportant
where Viper has or hasn't gone -- personally
I'm with you -- I could care less --

My use of the Hebrew phrase book WAS rather
unimpressive but I enjoyed it just the same!

Learning -- especially about other peoples history
and culture is a personal interest of mine --

I took sociology 101 -- years ago -- and it was
never really all that interesting -- however human
nature -- basic human instincts -- and the 'games
people play' is admittedly-- 'fascinating' to me --

In that pursuit I have mostly studied myself --
examined my own motivations, flaws, mistakes,
shortcomings, 'conscience' and the like.

My conclusion is that people are not so much different
one from the other -- most of us suffer the same
'shortcommings' -- to varying degrees -- either more or less

My sincere apologies for the cheap analysis --
It was simply meant to pass the time while thinking
you might reveal more of yourself and your motivation
for defending Mr Inman and STA [and posting here at Matrix Watch.]

This has been accomplished -- thank you.

Drishat Shalom,
Michael

[Casandra]

Erm.. sorry to butt in, but as the original topic of this thread asks, does anybody have any up to date knowledge of what happened to the Venomous One, named Viper?
Has he been seen/heard recently?Nope, I haven't seen anything from him. What was strangely out of character is the lack of any farewell post on the YMforums.

[AvidA]

Maybe you should think about that the next time you post...dumbass .. :rolleyeslol lol

I heard he just went back to his regular 9-5 and that he's very good with computers so that's the field he is working in. I sure hope so because work in Alabama is hard to come by.


And BT, you dumbass...you said a while back that you were not jewish and that you were a curly blonde haired guy. So who's the ignoramus or liar? Besides, Jews are fun and know how to party. You're just a dick.
And BTW, it's "oy vey"...not oi vai. Shalom, dopey. Now answer Dr Zod's question. God, how I love to harass you...lol You bring out the worst in me. Thank you!

[sisco50]

Here was I, thinking this forum welcomed all comers.

To think the YMforum get's totally savaged in here and here we have the chief matrix analyst trying to get rid of me.

Tell you what, I have to be at breakfast before 8.30 or they wont serve me so I'll leave you to it.

Back to your quest now, chief matrix analyst.

Tis true all posters are welcome here. But, some are overzealous regarding particular topics and tend to act a bit funny when replying to posts. I have seen a lot of that here the past 2 years so I guess I tend to ignore it myself.

[BTCohen]

Avida, I am sorry you had to stoop to such a level of name calling, Deso too. Very sad. Very indicative of some of the types who come here. But not all.

Avida I dont know why I have the urge to educate you, but, it is Vai although when converting into the english or latin alphabet, the spellings are not so important. As long as the meaning is understood. English cannot adequately cover the true meanings in languages like Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Even Arabic. Those languages have more meaning in one small word than English could translate into a whole phrase or sentence. And the words you quoted were both yiddish, (I reckon) although one I am guessing is wrongly spelled, one a prayer for the dead and the other a prayer over wine. If you search the archives you will see I said I was an adopted jew. (born a gentile). I do have blue hair and blonde eyes, Or is it blue eyes and blonde hair? I am certainly no expert when it comes to the hebrew language. Far from it. I even had to learn english!
__________________________________________________ ___________

Drank aka Micheal

Very good post. Keep up the politeness. People tend to read politeness and take it more seruiously. In another life, or forum, we could probably enjoy a good old chinwag on the topics you mentioned. Interesting.

Sisco, thank you too for being reasonable. Being reasonable when everyone around is being unreasonable is commendable. (Too many 'ables' there)

[AvidA]

BT,

That would have been a great post if you only practiced what you preach. You called me ignoramus and all kinds of things in the past. If you were important I would remember the exact words but you're not taken seriously by me so I don't--but I do remember you resorting to the name calling thing. It seems to be the very thing--as well as the only thing that you respond to and this thread is the example of that. So your point is thrown to the floor.

And yes, Michael is polite---BUT YOU'RE NOT so what the hell are you even talking about and why are you even here? Ycchen was right ya hipocrit. BYE! Good bye.

[BTCohen]

Avida, what you lack in education, you make up for in your lack of social graces.

[AvidA]

Yes, I feel very sad that I am not educated and refined like you. Oh YM fan! lol

http://www.newjerusalemministriesboards.com/images/smilies/char012.gif

[Ifell4it]

Children, children please!

I was enjoying a good thread until you two started butting heads. It was funny at first, now it's just silly...now kiss and make up! :nono:

Well ok that's not going to happen is it ;) lol lol lol

Actually thinking about it I take it all back. There's nothing on the TV at the moment so carry on. It's funnier and far more entertaining than watching a soap opera :applause:

[AvidA]

Sorry. I'll chill. I just can't resist ole BT. lol

[Deso]

BT,

Unlike my fellow poster Avida, I won't chill. I will however end my participation in this thread by telling you your horoscope as I see it..
You will never make money with this "business" you follow, You may continue to post in these and other forums about how STA/YMMS/whateverthenameoftheweekis will come good and honestly I wish it would, because contrary to popular belief I would love to be proved wrong with this one. But alas it ain't gonna happen.
You will look back at the numerous posts explaining why the good thing never came good and wonder how you managed to miss it all.
You will chalk it up to experience and move on.
You will Never admit you were wrong on these forums.
And the saddest thing of all.. You will probably fall for this type of thing again. Because even after all the mathamatics, logic and marketing information displayed on these boards you choose not to listen and will become a victim of your own pig-headedness.

After all, lets look bottom line here, put money spent against money in your hand (including prospective profits) and what have you got? My "guess" would be a negative figure.
Keep doing that every week/month/year and when the negative becomes positive I will bow to your superior knowledge and admit I was wrong.
Unfortunately I dont think anyone of us will be around if STA ever makes money. Maybe inflation will increase the payouts? who knows.lol :crazy:

So it is with a wry smile I bow out of this thread safe in knowledge that you are a horse's *** and are just too plain dumb to know it..lol

Prove me wrong with YMMSS/STA and I will retract that statement, until then in the words of Richard Prior. "Have a Coke and a smile and shut the f##k up....":applause:

Im outta here........:swear:


So I will close this

[sisco50]

BTCohen

You are very welcome. Thanks for understanding that all folks are not the same. :)

[AvidA]

Yea, some think they're better than others when really, they're just more hipocritical. :)

[ycchen]

Let's not get distracted. :)

It is obvious that some people has nothing to contribute, so their main goal is to raise a non-issue or provoke others just to distract and hijack the thread.

We welcome scam supporters, victims or even by standers IF they want to have a decent dialogue, debate or just dicussion.

If the purpose of supporters (or even victims), intentionally or unintentionally, is to provoke others or distruct conversation, then what's their contribution?? :confused:

Let's stay focus on the "topic" , okay? :)

[superDave]

Let's stay focus on the "topic" , okay? :)Maybe if we start a "Where's BT?" Thread Viper will come out!
:p
-superDave

[AvidA]

lol How true! You know, Ycchen. The question about Viper was asked and answered as they say in court. Done deal. No one really knows and to reflect Michael's sentiments, I couldn't care less either. I know what I heard but I couldn't prove it. Just that he left to go back to a 9-5er.

[ycchen]

Same here, I am not particularly interested in viper, except that he "might be" more "sincere" and willing to tell his side of the story here?

I don't know him and I did not interact with him, so my "impression" might be dead wrong. Nevertheless, he or any other supporters/moderators are always welcome here. :)

In any case, we probably should just close this discussion, UNLESS someone has something meaningful to share.

Have a great weekend!

ycchen

[sisco50]

Same here, I am not particularly interested in viper, except that he "might be" more "sincere" and willing to tell his side of the story here?

I don't know him and I did not interact with him, so my "impression" might be dead wrong. Nevertheless, he or any other supporters/moderators are always welcome here. :)

In any case, we probably should just close this discussion, UNLESS someone has something meaningful to share.

Have a great weekend!

ycchen

Seventy seven posts and we are just now finding that this thread topic is moot. No real info and no one really cares anyway. By all means, lock it.

[Somebody]

maybe Viper went back to running his OLD scam, that had a lot of similarities to Kim's.

quick money for doing nothing
server in foreign country (italy)
contact by safelists
God Bless You stuff

http://listserv.nic.it/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0303&L=ITA-PE&P=R21516&D=0&H=0&I=-3&O=A&T=1

[mercinary]

I went ahead and closed the thread. It seems that this one got off on a tagent.

-Merc